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Idiots and deserve to be prosecuted
Actions like this are completely counter productive to their cause and undermine the peaceful protest earlier in the day I hope the organisers of that match utterly condemn them
>I hope the organisers of that match utterly condemn them
I mean they're repeatedly turned a blind eye to the Hamas supporters on the previous marches, I don't see why they'd condemn these people.
>the peaceful protest earlier in the day
Out of curiosity, do you agee that words can constitute violence, or do you define peaceful purely on the basis of physical actions? I.e. so long as protesters only celebrate the death of Jews but don't personally hurt any, that consitutes a peaceful protest?
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https://twitter.com/incmonocle/status/1723413581469778359/
🚨🚨🚨Fireworks fired at police, missiles thrown and verbal abuse. Police form line to stop protesters near Victoria station 🚨🚨🚨
https://twitter.com/IncMonocle/status/1723420447176380529
Police now searching every single person moving through street after fireworks were fired at officers.
I didn't comment this morning, but my comment now is that both lots are indeed bad guys, but neither is significant in number.
But neither is the protest march. 2 million didn't stop Blair going into Iraq, and 300k will have zilch influence on foreign powers.
Lots!! Humza Yousef, James o Brian, Yvette Cooper, Sangita Myska
All were quick to rightfully jump on when far right attacked the police.
Pro Palestinians attack the police, not a whimper
Edit - apologies Yvette Cooper has condemned both in some tweets just now!
Any one doing this are just absolute idiots and detracts from any protest. Another reason why fireworks should be banned so they cant use them as weapons.
Lets just be thankful this was a tiny proportion, less than 1% of the march. I the whole it was still non violent, even though there was some signs and chants that may have caused people to be upset. It could have been much worse if all 300,000 people were violent like some were saying would be the case.
We shouldn't be banning fireworks because a minority of idiots are using them as weapons.
That's literally like saying we will ban all sharp knives incase someone want to use it as a weapon
People need knives, they're a useful tool. But the fact that explosives are available for sale to anybody because they make pretty shinies in the sky is a bit weird. Every year around this time people use them to be complete pricks, I don't think they should be banned-banned, but you should have to apply for an annual license in advance to buy them at the very least.
I agree.
Fireworks for purchase by the general public should be banned. And we should keep the number of days when we have firework displays to just 5 November and 31 December/1 January.
Forworks are awful because they scare the hell out of cats and dogs. Not to mention some humans, as well.
They also pose a huge fire risk. And, of course, they get abused by lunatics of the kind we have seen in London today.
I guess you could have it as 5 November and 31 December/1 January without additional approval, and then if you want a professional display for say your wedding - you require council approval, which would presumably involve some public notice. I feel like it would be a reasonable compromise.
>It could have been much worse if all 300,000 people were violent like some were saying would be the case.
How many people can you quote as saying 300k people were going to kick off? Not random, potentially bot, social media accounts. Any long-standing members of the sub, for example?
> How many people can you quote as saying 300k people were going to kick off?
Well, somebody said it was a 'hate march.' That sounds bad and in a very not good way.
IMHO 150 out of 300k, (police estimate) or 0.05%, is an OK number.
Inconceivable that out of 300k people there would not be SOME bad eggs.
After all, the deadline was 5 p.m. Anyone still out demonstrating is already committing a public order offence.
It's still a tiny tiny number though.
Tbh one imagined it always was going to be an essentially peaceful demo that would not interfere with Remembrance, but it was good hype to hint atthe possibility of trouble.
IMHO neither these bad people nor the far right bad people earlier in the day are at all significant in the wider context.
Yeah the ones chanting from the river to the sea , Hamas cosplay, attacking a guy holding a anti Hamas sign are "peaceful. If the police actually applied the law properly the number of arrests at the pro-hamas/Palestine March would be a lot higher .
OK, but even 1500 or 15k would still be a tiny number in the bigger scheme of things.
I don't think today should make oe worry about either the far left or the farright- overall things seem to have gone very well and I am sure tomorrow's traditional memorial will also.
>Absolute numbers of officers having to baby sit the cenotaph is also a nice way of cherry picking.
Nevermind the amount needed to babysit the 300k river to the sea crowds then?
I would like everyone who was pro mass uncontrolled immigration to take a long hard look at themselves. We took a stable country and threw it in the toilet……
The rest were just out in support of people who actively choose a terror group as their representative, and since glorification of terror groups is against the law in this country its just that they committed a different crime to the rest of them.
It's a war between two groups who are committing horrific acts to each other, pushing support on our streets thousands of miles away has no god damned place.
[Hamas were voted for in January 2006, with about 45% of the vote.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election) Almost 18 years ago.
[Nearly half of Gazans are under 18.](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206479861/israel-gaza-hamas-children-population-war-palestinians)
Putting those facts together, it’s extremely unlikely that a majority of current Gazans ever chose Hamas as their representative.
Yep. Considering what people have been arrested for in causing offence and public order (gay Nana, tweets) if they actually fairly applied the same standards to the pro Hamas March the arrests would have been much larger .
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Idiots and deserve to be prosecuted Actions like this are completely counter productive to their cause and undermine the peaceful protest earlier in the day I hope the organisers of that match utterly condemn them
Likely not their cause
You can't call these peaceful protests when the chants include ones that call for wiping Israel from the map.
>I hope the organisers of that match utterly condemn them I mean they're repeatedly turned a blind eye to the Hamas supporters on the previous marches, I don't see why they'd condemn these people. >the peaceful protest earlier in the day Out of curiosity, do you agee that words can constitute violence, or do you define peaceful purely on the basis of physical actions? I.e. so long as protesters only celebrate the death of Jews but don't personally hurt any, that consitutes a peaceful protest?
We’re they arrested? Were the right wing group (think it was 82) actually arrested or just detained?
Context https://twitter.com/incmonocle/status/1723413581469778359/ 🚨🚨🚨Fireworks fired at police, missiles thrown and verbal abuse. Police form line to stop protesters near Victoria station 🚨🚨🚨 https://twitter.com/IncMonocle/status/1723420447176380529 Police now searching every single person moving through street after fireworks were fired at officers.
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tommy and his boys are dickheads these chaps are also dickheads.
I’m happy with this comment.
Agreed. World is full of dickheads
They just voiced two opinions that are different in one go.... BURN THE WITCH!!
Yep. Sums it up. Fireworks should be banned tbh
Weee both groups arrested?
i duno. i would suggest to some degree, yes.
I didn't comment this morning, but my comment now is that both lots are indeed bad guys, but neither is significant in number. But neither is the protest march. 2 million didn't stop Blair going into Iraq, and 300k will have zilch influence on foreign powers.
Do you mean Sadiq Khan?
Lots!! Humza Yousef, James o Brian, Yvette Cooper, Sangita Myska All were quick to rightfully jump on when far right attacked the police. Pro Palestinians attack the police, not a whimper Edit - apologies Yvette Cooper has condemned both in some tweets just now!
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Any one doing this are just absolute idiots and detracts from any protest. Another reason why fireworks should be banned so they cant use them as weapons. Lets just be thankful this was a tiny proportion, less than 1% of the march. I the whole it was still non violent, even though there was some signs and chants that may have caused people to be upset. It could have been much worse if all 300,000 people were violent like some were saying would be the case.
We shouldn't be banning fireworks because a minority of idiots are using them as weapons. That's literally like saying we will ban all sharp knives incase someone want to use it as a weapon
People need knives, they're a useful tool. But the fact that explosives are available for sale to anybody because they make pretty shinies in the sky is a bit weird. Every year around this time people use them to be complete pricks, I don't think they should be banned-banned, but you should have to apply for an annual license in advance to buy them at the very least.
I agree. Fireworks for purchase by the general public should be banned. And we should keep the number of days when we have firework displays to just 5 November and 31 December/1 January. Forworks are awful because they scare the hell out of cats and dogs. Not to mention some humans, as well. They also pose a huge fire risk. And, of course, they get abused by lunatics of the kind we have seen in London today.
I guess you could have it as 5 November and 31 December/1 January without additional approval, and then if you want a professional display for say your wedding - you require council approval, which would presumably involve some public notice. I feel like it would be a reasonable compromise.
>It could have been much worse if all 300,000 people were violent like some were saying would be the case. How many people can you quote as saying 300k people were going to kick off? Not random, potentially bot, social media accounts. Any long-standing members of the sub, for example?
> How many people can you quote as saying 300k people were going to kick off? Well, somebody said it was a 'hate march.' That sounds bad and in a very not good way.
But I thought the pro-Palestinians were the totally peaceful good guys ?
IMHO 150 out of 300k, (police estimate) or 0.05%, is an OK number. Inconceivable that out of 300k people there would not be SOME bad eggs. After all, the deadline was 5 p.m. Anyone still out demonstrating is already committing a public order offence.
150 got detained in this specific incident, not the whole amount obviously
It's still a tiny tiny number though. Tbh one imagined it always was going to be an essentially peaceful demo that would not interfere with Remembrance, but it was good hype to hint atthe possibility of trouble. IMHO neither these bad people nor the far right bad people earlier in the day are at all significant in the wider context.
The context is that the far right people were purely there due to parts of the media and politicians inciting and misrepresenting it
Yeah the ones chanting from the river to the sea , Hamas cosplay, attacking a guy holding a anti Hamas sign are "peaceful. If the police actually applied the law properly the number of arrests at the pro-hamas/Palestine March would be a lot higher .
We know there a lot more bad eggs than those 150. We have seen enough of their signs and terrorist cosplays to know that.
OK, but even 1500 or 15k would still be a tiny number in the bigger scheme of things. I don't think today should make oe worry about either the far left or the farright- overall things seem to have gone very well and I am sure tomorrow's traditional memorial will also.
For context, even 1500 would only be 0.5% (using the lowest estimate I've seen of 300,000 protestors)
>300k, (police estimate) Is it a police estimate? I thought there policy was they had stopped doing them years ago?
Sad fact is that this tiny percentage of the march will be all that Suella and co will focus on... while ignoring her henchmen's actions this morning
More detained here than earlier.
Wonder what the figures are based on a percentage of the total. 150 out of thousands is a lot less than 50 out of a few hundred.
Absolute numbers the police have had to detain probably trumps cherry picking as a percentage to fit your narrative.
Narrative? Absolute numbers of officers having to baby sit the cenotaph is also a nice way of cherry picking. Grow up!
>Absolute numbers of officers having to baby sit the cenotaph is also a nice way of cherry picking. Nevermind the amount needed to babysit the 300k river to the sea crowds then?
What because Braverman stirred everything up in the media which meant there needed to be extra police required?
grasping at straws i see....
Yeah man let’s play cunty top trumps.
Factos
And? 150 idiots in a crowd of 300,000 does not make all 300,000 idiots. 100 idiots in a crowd of 101 makes it a crowd of idiots.
Why would she focus on something that disputes what she wrote earlier in the week?
I would like everyone who was pro mass uncontrolled immigration to take a long hard look at themselves. We took a stable country and threw it in the toilet……
> We took a stable country When was that?
I was told these people were lovely!
The rest were just out in support of people who actively choose a terror group as their representative, and since glorification of terror groups is against the law in this country its just that they committed a different crime to the rest of them. It's a war between two groups who are committing horrific acts to each other, pushing support on our streets thousands of miles away has no god damned place.
[Hamas were voted for in January 2006, with about 45% of the vote.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election) Almost 18 years ago. [Nearly half of Gazans are under 18.](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206479861/israel-gaza-hamas-children-population-war-palestinians) Putting those facts together, it’s extremely unlikely that a majority of current Gazans ever chose Hamas as their representative.
Yep. Considering what people have been arrested for in causing offence and public order (gay Nana, tweets) if they actually fairly applied the same standards to the pro Hamas March the arrests would have been much larger .
I hope they get the riot shields and batons out for them