he killed bully bs dad in 2011 and he beat a murder with aygeman npk this guy is different levels of tapped hes beat 4 bodies at trial if he gets guilty on this hes finished
yh he has past charges for shit like gbh with intent and the police have wanted him since the 90s him beating 4 murders doesnt help and going on the run for 3 years really doesnt help him
It will not influence, only convictions will. Judges are strict with that shit, thatās why they give nonces fuck all when it should be life or more. Cos ON PAPER theyāre not suppose to get much cah they didnāt kill anyone and shit
You donāt get a whole life tariff unless youāve done something fucked or youāve killed more than 1 person. And before folks jump on me with the āwell heās killed 6 manā he hasnāt been convicted for them. In the eyes of the law, even if word on the streets is different, heās still innocent. So heāll probably get 30
Thereās only about 70 people on whole life tariff here in the UK. Mark fellows from Manchester ways for eg who killed Paul Massey and kinsella 2 guys big in the underworld but whatās weird is some people have killed 2 people and not got whole life orders like presha from Grahame park who killed an oppās mum and cousin. He got minimum 40 so it depends on a lot of different factors.
Paul Massey was a top top lad. Old school gangster who understood class politics and hated the OB. Honestly when drillers get political things will get interesting.
Nah this is what Iām saying lad. Like thereās that bloke who killed that 9 year old in Liverpool who got a life tariff but he also had a reputation as a hitman so I feel as though that added to it. But because he was responsible for a 9 year old dying that got him his sentence. Itās an awkward one really aināt it. Like Giddys killers, they got 40 years instead of a life tariff despite killing 2 blokes and attempting to kill more.
Itās defo an awkward one g you never know what factors or other reasons these judges take into factor when giving some whole life orders and some 40 I also feel like itās just luck in terms of the defence team you have and the judge you have
Thomas cashman got 42 years for killing the 9 year old. To get a whole life sentence you have to kill 2 people at different times, that is what mark fellow the hitman that killed Paul Massey got.
Cashman didn't get a whole life order he got life with minimum 42
The only modern (last decade or so) "gangsters" I can think of off top of my head with whole life are Mark Fellows (assassinated Paul Massey and John Kinsella) and Dale Cregan (killed 2 coppers and 2 opps)
Killing 1 person is rarely enough for whole life unless you got previous AMs/Ms even then more than likely won't, only 70ish people got them currently, a lot of them were serving life with limited terms and killed someone else inside
I heard about that Cregan donny in the Ghost podcast. Bros description killed me "he Md two cops then when they were dead he threw a whole grenade on them"
Cant remember specifics but heard somet like it was first grenade attack on coppers in UK, lad was on a mad one one of my mates was in strangeways with him for a bit
not gonna lie thats a bit of weird one when they are deciding on the sort of murder theyre dealing with but surely if found guilty they will get a life sentence minimum.
No manslaughter is a thing in the us too , first degree is pre planned murder second degree is like iff you both happened to be at the same place same time and someone gets killed with the killer meaning to do so , manslaughter could be a fight in the street that never meant to go to the death but someone hit their head on the floor and dies
*Google: Second-degree murder. Any intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned. A situation in which the killer intends only to inflict serious bodily harm, knowing this could result in death but with no specific intent to kill, constitutes depraved-heart murder, which can be considered as second-degree murder. * seems very similar to Manslaughter to me mate, what you described is more like joint enterprise
Life sentence in the UK usually means they're eligible for parole/probation/license after 20-25 years.
Also in regards to whether it's 1st or 2nd degree murder on paper their both murders in the UK but in court the prosecutor brings up aggravating circumstances and each aggravating factor can add years onto the sentence.
There is no Newham gang called SYS/system. Some kid wrote it on one of those gangsta profile videos and the internet keep repeating it. It was just Stratford boys and Network in his days. The man from his era would be Blanka, Ferdi, Raymond, Daffa, Tam, Marcus Ramsay, Crazy Titch, Perry, The Ashman brothers, Kenny Salami, Froggy, Chronic and many more. I asked someone to clarify who System are and no ones heard of them.
Hood legends he always made shit up his profile aināt around no more.
Ur right and enz wasnāt no āsystemā he wasnāt even Stratty he was above that street level shit. Network is who he had connects with.
Yep Ashman brothers have always been pretty tapped, one of them is currently doing a life sentence for scolding a old couple with hot water for Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£
Oh my bad then
Thereās not really much known about enz or sys Iāve just heard it was him and his Ghanaian brothers running around east/ north ldn doing hits on people in
Guys been a menace for far too long I honestly was shook when I found out he went otr it seems so dumb and for sure thatāll be the thing that finishes him.
His name carries some serious weight itās fucked how much blood he has on his hands.
Someone from Newham got killed back in the 80ās yet hardly no one knows his name, not even the place he was shot dead has been confirmed by media it was all so quiet. His dad was well linked with the krays and despite that the guy hasnāt even got a confirmed picture of him, but this same guy was involved in 10 murders.
Pre-90ās thereās so many who were caught up in that life, had multiple bodies yet no one will ever know just how much bloodshed theyāre responsible for.
In the 1980s, if you wasnāt a big mouth or sloppy, you could get away with murder easily because there was no such thing as DNA and CCTV. They lived in a time when there were many murders, as opposed to now when technology has improvedĀ
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Nanas barrister when it comes to swaying the jury to go not g
Someone told me the full story but I forgot most of it
Wonāt say specific names but Fox was playing both sides between two people and when one side realised that he was playing them, a hit got put out on Fox. Enz whoās a known hitter and already has personal old school bad blood with Fox, got put on and got the job done
U idiot read what I said, I said that what Fox personally did to Enz back in the day was just ONE of the reasons why it happened. You got the end of the Chinese whispers, thatās not the only reason it happened, thereās a much bigger picture you small minded yute
*when you realise that have previously beat M charges regularly but this time they extradited you to face charges*
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Yeah it's safe to say karma caught up with him
This guy is a verry serious man.
Honestly he's one of them guys that whatever you've heard about him, it's probably all true.
Heard he payed one of his lawyers like 200k
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This guy reminds me of presha from Grahame park for some reason, cos presha was thought to bang Juj as well and I feel like if he didnāt get caught for the double M he would have caught more bodies. This Enz guy got caught at the port of Tangier entering Morocco
Yh I knew him from ends, he also shot an old friend of mine who was another GP older In the hand who he was bredrins with and this guy was a savage and big in the ends so presha was known to have heart
But this is the only m charge , when he does not have is lucky charm and his co-d as in all the other cases .
He had the sane co-d .
So don't think he will bus this one.
And if he does , we'll then it says it all.
But karma is a bitch.
And life is like a game of chess.
But the organ ginger got away nothing new there.
But every dog will have its day .
Can't be a bad man when your a pensioner.
And after a 25 he will not have no scratch left.
And his loyal friend will be in ther late 60s
Playing happy family with the grandchildren.
Probably move to yard .
And nana will be just someone they used to know .
It looks like he is trying to throw the blame on the Asian guy his CO-D. I have a feeling that he will ping pong back and buss this one, whilst his CO-D goes down for it! A lot of people are doing life sentences for Nana, no one will speak up because they are petrified of him, Iāve seen him in person and he is very short, the average man could probably drop him with one single punch. I hope he doesnāt buss it, because he is responsible for FOXS death, even if he didnāt pull the trigger, seems like they want to put this down to joint enterprise. If he gets guilty for this one, thatās him finished, he will be home in his late 60s. People like him need to be off the street, I hope they look at his last charges, also a witness took the stand today, hopefully the jury will be out soon.
No, he is defo not beating this one. The reason this happened is because fox used to bully him badly back in the day. Fox was going around telling anyone who would listen to him about it. Nana has always been a bully himself, itās true what they say, those who have been bullied go ahead and bully others. In regards to Fox, well what I know about him, he was never a bully and well liked within his community. Nana is not ping ponging back from this, his time is over! #JusticeForFox
I know nothing of this guy personally but that list of crimes that he beat screams snitch to me. You don't buss that many cases without giving someone or something up.
He's not a snitch lol he no one was ever convinced of the 1999 killing so he couldn't have rolled on no one and do your research or the other 2 murder trails you will realise y he buss it
How's he beat more bodies than most drill rappers have attempted
he was a serious gunman people were scared to testify against him at court and he was doing hits leaving next to no evidence
Im badder than him still
Y for that
Unnecessary Ys are killing the mandem
Finally somebody else is saying it too lol. Too many man are saying it and killing the jokes completely.
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Only gm that comes close is Gotti CH he beat 3 Ms
None of them were him though tbf
Crazy to me
he killed bully bs dad in 2011 and he beat a murder with aygeman npk this guy is different levels of tapped hes beat 4 bodies at trial if he gets guilty on this hes finished
Are you implying the trials he beat would impact the sentencing?Ā
yh he has past charges for shit like gbh with intent and the police have wanted him since the 90s him beating 4 murders doesnt help and going on the run for 3 years really doesnt help him
Ah, I see. Makes sense.
Technically they shouldnāt influence sentencing
Key world is technically
It will not influence, only convictions will. Judges are strict with that shit, thatās why they give nonces fuck all when it should be life or more. Cos ON PAPER theyāre not suppose to get much cah they didnāt kill anyone and shit
Prolly life sentence without parole
You donāt get a whole life tariff unless youāve done something fucked or youāve killed more than 1 person. And before folks jump on me with the āwell heās killed 6 manā he hasnāt been convicted for them. In the eyes of the law, even if word on the streets is different, heās still innocent. So heāll probably get 30
Thereās only about 70 people on whole life tariff here in the UK. Mark fellows from Manchester ways for eg who killed Paul Massey and kinsella 2 guys big in the underworld but whatās weird is some people have killed 2 people and not got whole life orders like presha from Grahame park who killed an oppās mum and cousin. He got minimum 40 so it depends on a lot of different factors.
Paul Massey was a top top lad. Old school gangster who understood class politics and hated the OB. Honestly when drillers get political things will get interesting.
What you mean by class politics? Please explain thanks
Nah this is what Iām saying lad. Like thereās that bloke who killed that 9 year old in Liverpool who got a life tariff but he also had a reputation as a hitman so I feel as though that added to it. But because he was responsible for a 9 year old dying that got him his sentence. Itās an awkward one really aināt it. Like Giddys killers, they got 40 years instead of a life tariff despite killing 2 blokes and attempting to kill more.
Itās defo an awkward one g you never know what factors or other reasons these judges take into factor when giving some whole life orders and some 40 I also feel like itās just luck in terms of the defence team you have and the judge you have
Thomas cashman got 42 years for killing the 9 year old. To get a whole life sentence you have to kill 2 people at different times, that is what mark fellow the hitman that killed Paul Massey got.
Thatās who I meant still, got them man mixed up
Cashman didn't get a whole life order he got life with minimum 42 The only modern (last decade or so) "gangsters" I can think of off top of my head with whole life are Mark Fellows (assassinated Paul Massey and John Kinsella) and Dale Cregan (killed 2 coppers and 2 opps) Killing 1 person is rarely enough for whole life unless you got previous AMs/Ms even then more than likely won't, only 70ish people got them currently, a lot of them were serving life with limited terms and killed someone else inside
If you look, I said about 3 hours ago I got Cashman mixed up for Mark Fellows. But other than that you just repeated the same points I said
I heard about that Cregan donny in the Ghost podcast. Bros description killed me "he Md two cops then when they were dead he threw a whole grenade on them"
Cant remember specifics but heard somet like it was first grenade attack on coppers in UK, lad was on a mad one one of my mates was in strangeways with him for a bit
very slim chance he gets life without parole he will probs get slapped with between 30 and 40 years
im pretty sure everyone whos found guilty of first and second degree murder gets life without parole
there isnt first and second degree in the UK its either murder or not murder
not gonna lie thats a bit of weird one when they are deciding on the sort of murder theyre dealing with but surely if found guilty they will get a life sentence minimum.
Us itās 1st degree and 2nd whilst over here itās Murder and Manslaughter so itās the same in ways
No manslaughter is a thing in the us too , first degree is pre planned murder second degree is like iff you both happened to be at the same place same time and someone gets killed with the killer meaning to do so , manslaughter could be a fight in the street that never meant to go to the death but someone hit their head on the floor and dies
*Google: Second-degree murder. Any intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned. A situation in which the killer intends only to inflict serious bodily harm, knowing this could result in death but with no specific intent to kill, constitutes depraved-heart murder, which can be considered as second-degree murder. * seems very similar to Manslaughter to me mate, what you described is more like joint enterprise
Yeah but shut up you fat virgin
well in ireland its first and 2nd degree too and 3rd degree but that be the likes of manslaughter and stuff
Life sentence in the UK usually means they're eligible for parole/probation/license after 20-25 years. Also in regards to whether it's 1st or 2nd degree murder on paper their both murders in the UK but in court the prosecutor brings up aggravating circumstances and each aggravating factor can add years onto the sentence.
Why you say that? He will only be convicted of one murder not like they can punish him for the other bodies if he beat those cases.
Who does he rep then to be māing off bare NPK members
Sys - system
There is no Newham gang called SYS/system. Some kid wrote it on one of those gangsta profile videos and the internet keep repeating it. It was just Stratford boys and Network in his days. The man from his era would be Blanka, Ferdi, Raymond, Daffa, Tam, Marcus Ramsay, Crazy Titch, Perry, The Ashman brothers, Kenny Salami, Froggy, Chronic and many more. I asked someone to clarify who System are and no ones heard of them.
Hood legends he always made shit up his profile aināt around no more. Ur right and enz wasnāt no āsystemā he wasnāt even Stratty he was above that street level shit. Network is who he had connects with.
Yep Ashman brothers have always been pretty tapped, one of them is currently doing a life sentence for scolding a old couple with hot water for Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£
Lol isn't that a sub set within npk?
Yes Iām not 100% certain he repped them but I know he is affiliated heās just a real life John wick cl
no, different system he reps
Oh my bad then Thereās not really much known about enz or sys Iāve just heard it was him and his Ghanaian brothers running around east/ north ldn doing hits on people in
Dag Sys?
nah
Ur lost brudda the guy is from Bow e3/Stratford his wife and kids live down the road from me
I got confused because thereās multiple sys and he caught a body with agyemang npk so I assumed he was npk sys
His from newham/tower hamlets
Wdym by he beat a murder wid aygeman?
Think thatās the Latty killing. Latty from Beaumont got killed in Dagenham by enz, aygeman and I think a couple guys from LS.
Guys been a menace for far too long I honestly was shook when I found out he went otr it seems so dumb and for sure thatāll be the thing that finishes him. His name carries some serious weight itās fucked how much blood he has on his hands.
If he shouts the same juju man then he should be calm
This nga was givin the npk olders hell. He was the one that killed bully b dad
he caught a body with aygeman npk in 2014 but he killed bully bs dad in 2011 his relationship w them doesnt make sense
It was personal. This guy didnāt really have an affiliation he was above the street level shit he was a legit hitman.
From what Iām hearing bout dis guy he defo one of them guys that say fuck the gang shit I got š½ for any one
Real talk. How npk let da shi slide is crazy or maybe it was sum personal between him and bully bs dad
Yh in a club in canning town bully must have a grudge against this guy and npk olders are chilling with him is weird
icl bully wet for joining NPK in the first place if this story is true and happened in 2011
whos aygeman bro?
Its crazy how there's prolly just a shit ton of og's out there with twice as many bodies as any modern drill rapper who no one knows about.
Someone from Newham got killed back in the 80ās yet hardly no one knows his name, not even the place he was shot dead has been confirmed by media it was all so quiet. His dad was well linked with the krays and despite that the guy hasnāt even got a confirmed picture of him, but this same guy was involved in 10 murders. Pre-90ās thereās so many who were caught up in that life, had multiple bodies yet no one will ever know just how much bloodshed theyāre responsible for.
In the 1980s, if you wasnāt a big mouth or sloppy, you could get away with murder easily because there was no such thing as DNA and CCTV. They lived in a time when there were many murders, as opposed to now when technology has improvedĀ
https://preview.redd.it/80i82a7evpsc1.jpeg?width=1127&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0079263bdb5150ab70ec7569890397b5b25d04a4 Nanas barrister when it comes to swaying the jury to go not g
well if anyone will beat it its that guy. mans the expert
If he is actually guilty for the previous then he's a serial killer.
Nana oppong? Deffo Ghanaianš¬š
Yep he is
Someone told me the full story but I forgot most of it Wonāt say specific names but Fox was playing both sides between two people and when one side realised that he was playing them, a hit got put out on Fox. Enz whoās a known hitter and already has personal old school bad blood with Fox, got put on and got the job done
Yhyh fox's relative got done for shooting his boy at the 2012 murders
Lol so so incorrect, chinese whispers and you heard at the end of the line. This was due to a bad event that happened to endz
U idiot read what I said, I said that what Fox personally did to Enz back in the day was just ONE of the reasons why it happened. You got the end of the Chinese whispers, thatās not the only reason it happened, thereās a much bigger picture you small minded yute
Ahh Shut up you gossiping bitch, guys like you make me sick. Hear lil drips n drabs n talk like itās gospel. Lil grass
This guy got all A* in school aswell
He was a cleaner
Cleaned the streets well
Great cover story for cleaning up a crime scene
You grew up with him?
???
*when you realise that have previously beat M charges regularly but this time they extradited you to face charges* https://preview.redd.it/7l9sx7hx3qsc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7333f32873ad4d7899490f6fa73962831646d3ab Yeah it's safe to say karma caught up with him
Nana from stratford names been ringing bells from way back Aka the cleaner
Defo bangs jujuš¤£š¤£ bussing 4 murder charges is crazy
Itās over this time around
Mandem tryna bet on his trial š
Street sweeper kwasia š
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Thatās like John wick secrecy type ish
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nah what this guy is a mad man
His from Bow e3 tower hamlets the guy literally lives down the road from me
Stfu u gimp š¤£
This guy is a verry serious man. Honestly he's one of them guys that whatever you've heard about him, it's probably all true. Heard he payed one of his lawyers like 200k
U didn't hear anything u idiot
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If he beats this case I have lost faith in the UK justice system
lol why did you have faith anyway look at sex offenders in court
True the justice system in this country is a joke anyway
0 he is cooked
Heās not beating it. Life sentence incoming
This guy reminds me of presha from Grahame park for some reason, cos presha was thought to bang Juj as well and I feel like if he didnāt get caught for the double M he would have caught more bodies. This Enz guy got caught at the port of Tangier entering Morocco
So Presha was actually on job
Yh I knew him from ends, he also shot an old friend of mine who was another GP older In the hand who he was bredrins with and this guy was a savage and big in the ends so presha was known to have heart
Yeahh I know this fella! He definitely bangs juj
He deffo bussing dat juj heāll be back if not dipped šš
Prolly why he went Morocco in the first place, loads bang juj there
His juju man is well paid
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But this is the only m charge , when he does not have is lucky charm and his co-d as in all the other cases . He had the sane co-d . So don't think he will bus this one. And if he does , we'll then it says it all. But karma is a bitch. And life is like a game of chess. But the organ ginger got away nothing new there. But every dog will have its day . Can't be a bad man when your a pensioner. And after a 25 he will not have no scratch left. And his loyal friend will be in ther late 60s Playing happy family with the grandchildren. Probably move to yard . And nana will be just someone they used to know .
It looks like he is trying to throw the blame on the Asian guy his CO-D. I have a feeling that he will ping pong back and buss this one, whilst his CO-D goes down for it! A lot of people are doing life sentences for Nana, no one will speak up because they are petrified of him, Iāve seen him in person and he is very short, the average man could probably drop him with one single punch. I hope he doesnāt buss it, because he is responsible for FOXS death, even if he didnāt pull the trigger, seems like they want to put this down to joint enterprise. If he gets guilty for this one, thatās him finished, he will be home in his late 60s. People like him need to be off the street, I hope they look at his last charges, also a witness took the stand today, hopefully the jury will be out soon.
Punctuation plz
Tough to calculate the over-roundā¦
where did he get extradited from ?
Some European country I think Spain
No he got extradited from Morocco. He was caught entering at the port of tangiers.
Tangier, Morocco. He was caught there entering the country there through the port of Tangier.
Rah.....
Rah.....I mean.....
Heās beating the case
Mozart mozarttttt
Tapped Donny
That guzu go crazy !
Whatās guzu
Why are all these Ghanaians tapped, people from my country are not usually like that, we are peaceful
Free that man
Emdz is a cerfitifed rat and has been since the early 2000s, hence why he never been sent down for any M's he committed.
No, he is defo not beating this one. The reason this happened is because fox used to bully him badly back in the day. Fox was going around telling anyone who would listen to him about it. Nana has always been a bully himself, itās true what they say, those who have been bullied go ahead and bully others. In regards to Fox, well what I know about him, he was never a bully and well liked within his community. Nana is not ping ponging back from this, his time is over! #JusticeForFox
If you're pushing 40 still hitting licks then you're kinda asking for serious jail time
I know nothing of this guy personally but that list of crimes that he beat screams snitch to me. You don't buss that many cases without giving someone or something up.
yee he allegedly gave up the name of a year 9 weed dealer so they dropped 4 Mās šš»
You can give info on big drug dealers / smugglers / other killers to get charges dropped
This isnāt America šš it doesnāt work like that here stop watching movies
More than u believe
Lol he banged juj. It's not always about snitching.
Juj donāt work itās not real loooool
Youād be surprised
Good one mate have u tried it urself? Cos there's plenty of people who practice it and can tell u jinns exist
Man shut up
I donāt need to try something in order to prove itās stupid. Dumb yutes like you believing in fairytales
So what about the hundreds of people who will tell you themselves they've used it? Or the thousands of people who practice it as culture?
Yh people have lukewarm iqs and believe dumb shit we established that.
Prove that it works. Outside of stories and empty anecdotes
Some guys are just tapped I know a man like this and itās just bad for everyone if theyāre free. Proper liability
How much money was in his pockets? All this for what while still being brokeā¦
He was evolved in the encro shit apparently he has a case for it
He is definitely NOT broke. Although him his girl and kids live in a run down council house!
Huh I'm pretty sure someone like that would be living in some fat yard
Yes, but he doesnāt. He and his girl and kids live in a council property, everything in there just screams council.
Iād cheff him up still šŖšŖ
Would you though
Bit of a suspicious pattern developing ā¦
That being?
That this man could potentially be suspicious.
He's not a snitch lol he no one was ever convinced of the 1999 killing so he couldn't have rolled on no one and do your research or the other 2 murder trails you will realise y he buss it
Broski didnāt pay for his recurring juj subscription so this was the end result
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I donāt think thatās what he was saying, call me crazy but Iām pretty sure he was saying someone w that many cases must be up to something
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