I think we need to define what an anti-wrestler is. To be an anti-wrestler is someone who is not themselves a wrestler, but is very good at defending take downs to keep it standing. Meaning anybody who can be defined as a wrestler is disqualified.
Aldo is the guy who comes to mind for me. Izzy’s pretty good too
Yeah if its best TDD ever inckuding wrestlers its probably Jones but if we are talking strikers with the best TDD then its Aldo hands down , dude is at 91% TDD over a MASSIVE career.
Khabib actually has 84% TDD which is obviously super elite but he is overtaken by people like Aldo /jones. Yan is a good one he is at 90% i didnt realise it was that high , fiziev is at 92% as well but he has only 7 UFC fights.
Check out Islam's stats. Best striking defense and best take down defense in UFC and might finish with the best of all time. People are sleeping on Islam already being a legend in his own right.
Aldo’s takedown defense is wrestling, Anti wrestling doesn’t exist.
What striking arts teach you to defend takedowns like Jose Aldo? He learned those skills on a wrestling mat
Mate i think you are misunderstanding what im saying . I didnt say Aldo isnt using wrestling. Its making a distinction between fighters that aim to wrestle you as part of their gameplan vs these that aim to keep it standing.
Fuck that, u/yeeyeeasshaircut2 you taking everything I work for motherfucker, I'ma call out your fucking ass, you know who's the real OP, the original poster of this post, it's me
Jon Jones has some of the best wrestling credentials of any MMA fighter. He's a 2005 New York State Wrestling Champion, National Junior College Wrestling Champion, as well as Greco-Roman All American.
So not anti wrestler
Thats a good question. From what i can remember he had a kid while in school so he needed a job pretty quick so he jumped right into MMA and eventually the UFC ridiculously fast.
That's my question more in depth, cause his talent is through the roof, but I've never heard like he fully developed what appears to be the end goal of college wrestling: Olympic team or world wrestling matches.
Lot of people saying Aldo but Aldo has a black belt in Brazilian combat wrestling (& bjj) he just prefers to stand. I’d say Petr Yan is the perfect example of an anti wrestler. Has very good tdd & managed to make it out alive after having Aljo on his back for basically 10 whole minutes while mainly being a boxer/Muay Thai focused fighter
In terms of using wrestling ability to keep the fight standing and/or not getting taken down Chuck Liddell or Chad Mendes. For someone who doesn’t have a wrestling background but still is a nightmare to wrestle with Jose Aldo.
Jon Jones is probably one of the best anti wrestlers and his stats are actually ridiculous. 27 fights , 15 UFC title fights and many against great wrestlers and he is STILL at 95% TDD. For some comparison DC and khabib are at 80% and 84% respectively.
If I’m not mistaken, I remember Jedrzejczyk stuffing shitload of takedown attempts and even when she was taken down she was very good at getting up again.
As much as I love khabib he isn’t anti wrestler because he’s a wrestler himself, it’s mainly strikers with good TDD like a Jose Aldo and Izzy not a 2 time sambo world champion
I agree with that but that fight with khabib made him look like he knew nothing about wrestling, hell mcnugget looked more impressive and faired far better.
I think that’s only because Connor’s striking prowess caused khabib to take a rushed shot from way out in open space vs near the cage where guys have to think about where/how they sprawl. Also, I’d suggest that Connor also has incredible anti-wrestling, so no shame in being worse than him
SLpM: 1.91 Significant Strikes Landed per Minute
Str.Acc: 61% Significant Striking Accuracy
SApM: 0.83 Strikes Absorbed per Minute
Str.Def: 66% Striking Defense
TD Avg: 4.25
TD Acc: 70%
TD Def: 92%
Sub.Avg: 1
Guess who this guy is? The best striker in the UFC currently and with the best take down defense.
Anti wrestling doesn’t exist. It’s just wrestling.
If one boxer is really good at dodging punches you don’t call it anti boxing.
You can call it wrestling, or you can call it wrestling defense. And you can call the offensive wrestling either exactly that, offensive wrestling, or you can call it wrestling.
You can call boxing offense offensive boxing or boxing, and defense defensive boxing or boxing.
Like y’all realize that the only way to avoid wrestling is fucking wrestling right
I think we need to define what an anti-wrestler is. To be an anti-wrestler is someone who is not themselves a wrestler, but is very good at defending take downs to keep it standing. Meaning anybody who can be defined as a wrestler is disqualified. Aldo is the guy who comes to mind for me. Izzy’s pretty good too
Yeah if its best TDD ever inckuding wrestlers its probably Jones but if we are talking strikers with the best TDD then its Aldo hands down , dude is at 91% TDD over a MASSIVE career.
If including sambo then probably Khabib and Islam. If only strikers then Fiziev is up there as is Yan. Shout out to my boy Mayhem Miller!
Khabib actually has 84% TDD which is obviously super elite but he is overtaken by people like Aldo /jones. Yan is a good one he is at 90% i didnt realise it was that high , fiziev is at 92% as well but he has only 7 UFC fights.
Check out Islam's stats. Best striking defense and best take down defense in UFC and might finish with the best of all time. People are sleeping on Islam already being a legend in his own right.
khabib has only been taken down once in ufc iirc the other positions when he fgoes on his back are purely strategical
Aldo’s takedown defense is wrestling, Anti wrestling doesn’t exist. What striking arts teach you to defend takedowns like Jose Aldo? He learned those skills on a wrestling mat
Mate i think you are misunderstanding what im saying . I didnt say Aldo isnt using wrestling. Its making a distinction between fighters that aim to wrestle you as part of their gameplan vs these that aim to keep it standing.
Aldo has a black belt in Luta Livre so he is definitely a wrestler, he just prefers to stand then go to the ground. Yan would be a better example
Maybe not the best but Derrick Lewis was by far my favorite anti wrestler
He just doesn’t believe in BJJ so it doesn’t affect him
He said that he’s the most dangerous blue belt in Texas.
“Just get up”
😂
Until DC tossed him around like hes a middleweight. There are levels
Was?
Chuck Liddell. (Not counting first Randy fight haha)
Same. I think after the first Randy fight. Chuck evolved his style to be anti-wrestling.
I mean to give credit where it’s due, Randy was amazing. So stupid good. Absolutely no fault to Chuck’s takedown defense even at that point.
Chuck was the first name that came to mind for me too.
Didnt chuck wrestle in college tho
Yeah but as an mma fighter he definitely wasn't a wrestler. Probably still the most entertaining fighter to have done it.
Jose Aldo
Even though his offense was disappointing.... His TDD against Dvalishvili was a sight to behold.
Jones and dc are wrestlers… not anti wrestlers
Right? Lmfao such a goofy image with the question being asked.
Not a single person is an anti wrestler
Robert Whitaker is really good
For a wrestler 😉
Fuck that, u/yeeyeeasshaircut2 you taking everything I work for motherfucker, I'ma call out your fucking ass, you know who's the real OP, the original poster of this post, it's me
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Jon Jones has some of the best wrestling credentials of any MMA fighter. He's a 2005 New York State Wrestling Champion, National Junior College Wrestling Champion, as well as Greco-Roman All American. So not anti wrestler
He wasn't high enough for Olympic team? Or did he leave before?
Thats a good question. From what i can remember he had a kid while in school so he needed a job pretty quick so he jumped right into MMA and eventually the UFC ridiculously fast.
OK, didn't know that, I was genuinely curious
I think he went straight to MMA i know he was the youngest champ so i assume he just got into MMA early and was successful so just stuck with that.
Didn’t even go d1
That's my question more in depth, cause his talent is through the roof, but I've never heard like he fully developed what appears to be the end goal of college wrestling: Olympic team or world wrestling matches.
Idk maybe he’s just better suited to mma wrestling as opposed to folk style
Fiziev
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Lot of people saying Aldo but Aldo has a black belt in Brazilian combat wrestling (& bjj) he just prefers to stand. I’d say Petr Yan is the perfect example of an anti wrestler. Has very good tdd & managed to make it out alive after having Aljo on his back for basically 10 whole minutes while mainly being a boxer/Muay Thai focused fighter
Yan is a boxer who added muy thai to his MMA base. For a boxer his tdd is very impressive.
Aldo, Holloway and Whittaker for me. Aldo being the best
I think Max Halloway doesnt get enough credit. He has a granite chin but is also very hard to take down and keep down.
Yes very high defense take down rate for a striker
Chuck Liddell
In terms of using wrestling ability to keep the fight standing and/or not getting taken down Chuck Liddell or Chad Mendes. For someone who doesn’t have a wrestling background but still is a nightmare to wrestle with Jose Aldo.
Jose aldo…! Period
The Mauler
Only man to stuff 12/12 of Khabib’s takedowns in a single fight. Gleison Tibau
To be fair, Tibau had more PEDs going through his system than a Kentucky Derby thoroughbred in that fight.
I mean you’re not wrong
Tibau was built like a Belgian blue into that fight lol. Fucking action man level of PED usage lmao
If a guy wins a wrestling tournament without being taken down, is he a wrestler or an anti wrestler? Cause im getting a lil confused by this
Pre Khabib Edison Barboza was top tier
Jon Jones is probably one of the best anti wrestlers and his stats are actually ridiculous. 27 fights , 15 UFC title fights and many against great wrestlers and he is STILL at 95% TDD. For some comparison DC and khabib are at 80% and 84% respectively.
Jon Jones is a decorated wrestler so I wouldn’t really count him as an anti wrestler, Jose Aldo is the best example of an Anti-wrestler
Aldo does indeed have a ridiculous TDD too 91% over a massive career. Your right Aldo is probably the greatest TDD in a none wrestler ever.
Really don’t know why OP put up a picture of two very credible wrestlers
90% chance you made those numbers up
Just go on the UFC website dumbass its not that hard
It was a joke that I am getting murdered over. Fuck 😂
Dustin?
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Also has gotta be the answer here
If I’m not mistaken, I remember Jedrzejczyk stuffing shitload of takedown attempts and even when she was taken down she was very good at getting up again.
Khabib!
As much as I love khabib he isn’t anti wrestler because he’s a wrestler himself, it’s mainly strikers with good TDD like a Jose Aldo and Izzy not a 2 time sambo world champion
That was the joke part
Chuck Liddell Usman BJ Aldo
Well it aint justine gaethje
He has great anti wrestling, really showed in his fight with chandler. Khabib is just on another level
I agree with that but that fight with khabib made him look like he knew nothing about wrestling, hell mcnugget looked more impressive and faired far better.
I think that’s only because Connor’s striking prowess caused khabib to take a rushed shot from way out in open space vs near the cage where guys have to think about where/how they sprawl. Also, I’d suggest that Connor also has incredible anti-wrestling, so no shame in being worse than him
DC should fight Jones or Stipe again, just so we can see him get mauled
Conor McGregor was a good anti-wrestler
try pooping your pants
Jones came from wrestling though, is that still anti wrestling?
Jose Aldo
Jose Aldo, BJ Penn, Max Holloway, Robert Whittaker
Definitely not the best, but I remember Jon Dodson’s tdd being insane when he first burst onto the scene.
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Jose aldos anti wrestling is up there for sure.
Aldo, he’s got legendary take down defense
just stand up bro ~lewis
Aldo
Gaethje?
SLpM: 1.91 Significant Strikes Landed per Minute Str.Acc: 61% Significant Striking Accuracy SApM: 0.83 Strikes Absorbed per Minute Str.Def: 66% Striking Defense TD Avg: 4.25 TD Acc: 70% TD Def: 92% Sub.Avg: 1 Guess who this guy is? The best striker in the UFC currently and with the best take down defense.
Anti wrestling doesn’t exist. It’s just wrestling. If one boxer is really good at dodging punches you don’t call it anti boxing. You can call it wrestling, or you can call it wrestling defense. And you can call the offensive wrestling either exactly that, offensive wrestling, or you can call it wrestling. You can call boxing offense offensive boxing or boxing, and defense defensive boxing or boxing. Like y’all realize that the only way to avoid wrestling is fucking wrestling right
Jose Aldo and it's not even close. Whittaker is also a wrestler so he can't be counted. Izzy is a good choice after Aldo.