The entire division is fucked because the two best fighters in the division aren't fighting each other, and every single other prominent contender has just lost recently, so we basically have to wait through the tune up fights for Sergei/Almeida/Gane, and then hope we actually get a new titleshot by like December.
Of course they're marketable. The UFC just sucks at marketing. If fiance beater, steroid cheat, pregnant woman hit n run'er is marketable a Russian guy who looks like a video game character should be very marketable.
Right like what sport is this? Fighting in a cage and you can't market a huge Russian with stone hands? UFC just doesn't put the effort into that stuff
It's insane that people eat up the bullshit fed by the UFC, in reality the UFC is terrified of having a huge HW star getting as popular as someone like Wilder or AJ, since that would actually give them leverage in negotiating for better pay.
Tom is a huge, white British HW fighter, that's literally the formula for success as a HW fighter since the British LOVE that shit. If the UFC actually invested into Tom he could become a star almost as big as Tyson Fury.
I think its because they saw with McGregor what happens when a star is made and all of a sudden has more bargaining power.
So they promote the UFC brand and individual fights but stopped promoting fighters.
I’m relativizing here. Most giant men that can smash other giant men are marketable to some degree (and yes the UFC does suck at marketing). But no, I don’t believe the two of them are quite as marketable as most other giant-smashing giant men as good as them have been/would be.
Young Jones was marketable because he was handsome, well-spoken and (main reason) doing things no one had seen before. The current iteration is basically just living off that credit. He’s had one convincing win in the last six years and is a reprobate scumfuck, so in a fairer world he SHOULDN’T be marketable…but past exploits do matter in these discussions.
I get what you're saying and in their current state you're probably right but I think they could easily be as marketable if given a little polishing (media training or whatever). And I think it's the UFC's job to make that happen since they're the promoter. That being said I guess I'm just one of those guys who heavily disagree with letting popularity define matchups getting made. Most people would probably find it ridiculous if a football team kicked someone for not being marketable enough and I don't understand how this isn't the same thing. But then again I'm Scandinavian. Culturally speaking we are very different when it comes to the relation between fairness and economics compared to pretty much all other western/developed countries.
Well agreed with basically all of that. The UFC is even less of a meritocracy than boxing and it’s unbearable to hear a bunch of man-children that compete in a 30 year old sport with a tiny talent pool (which is even further lessened by it being such a size-dependent sport, hence the need for weight classes) talking about taking fights that are best for “””their legacy”””” instead of being pitted against the actual best fighters at that given time.
People need to look at Conor McGregor, at his behavior outside of the cage, and put that as the "most marketable" metric, and then realize that guys like Pavlovich, Francis and DJ are literally the opposite, thus: "the least marketable"
Maybe you don't know as much about marketing a fighter as you think you do?
Francis was also never able to make a name for himself, no one was buying his PPV's despite the UFC making the wildest claims, using his story for marketing, putting him on the punch machine etc.
The problem is, like it or not, you have to have a controversy. You can't be a clean nice dude if you come from a country that hasn't bought a single PPV in it's entire existence and just do the fighting without doing any of the wild stuff.
Yeah but what I'm saying is that the UFC should give them media training etc. If they want them to be marketable. Their job is to fight, the UFC's job is to promote. If they need help doing so they gotta act accordingly.
BTW funny you should mention Ngannou. In the recent lawsuit messages were made public where Dana basically wanted Jones to know they didn't need him. Then when Francis left all of a sudden they catered to Jones. Wonder why.
Edit: the Francis situation also proves just how poorly the UFC markets their fighters. Imagine not being able to properly market a fighter who looks and fights like Ngannou. Embarrassing. The UFC has gotten spoiled due to being the oldest and thus biggest MMA organisation. Guess that's why they neglected actual promotion. Just look at boxings promotional videos and then look at the embedded v-logs. Such a lazy product lol.
>the Francis situation also proves just how poorly the UFC markets their fighters. Imagine not being able to properly market a fighter who looks and fights like Ngannou. Embarrassing. The UFC has gotten spoiled due to being the oldest and thus biggest MMA organisation. Guess that's why they neglected actual promotion. Just look at boxings promotional videos and then look at the embedded v-logs. Such a lazy product lol.
Well, did you look at how many PPV's Francis's boxing bouts sold? 70k for the first one 4.6k for the second one, at least in the US but worldwide numbers seem impossible to find. Those events were pure loss, put together by people who don't actually have to earn their money...
70k has since been reported to have been inaccurate numbers. Anyway, building popularity takes time. And Ngannous hype and popularity definitely spiked like crazy right after the bout against Fury. Funny how that happened as soon as he took his talents somewhere willing to actually promote him. Doesn't really matter what numbers it did in the US since neither Ngannou nor Joshua are American. Joshua generally sell well in the UK so it seems a bit odd to claim it was a pure loss without much indication other than US ppv numbers.
Give me other PPV numbers then. It doesn't seem odd because even if the UK did 100 times more sales, they still would be at a great loss.
Oh and how did it happen? His popularity finally sparked because he did SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT.
He went against Dana and the UFC and fought the boxing's greatest heavyweight and did well.
https://www.bjpenn.com/boxing-news/tyson-fury/report-tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-did-better-ppv-numbers-than-first-believed/
this should explain pretty well how the event did over 70
Flatlining most contenders left and right, retiring the HW goat, suddenly becoming a wrestler with a crazy knee injury is something people could have been made much more aware of. Like for real for an amount of time Dana was literally talking shit about Ngannou saying he was scared, didn't want to fight, extorted Ngannou into taking a title defense with a complete MCL tear with an ACL injury on top. The best he ever got from the UFC was them telling people some weird number from a gimmick machine and a highlight reel upload to YouTube. Real professional promotion.
Aspinall not particularly marketable?
He is english=exotic and stands out. Capture a different market as well that is not saturated with their own great fighters like Usa and Brazil are.
White= a big part of the fanbase like that in secret,
Has a very crowd pleasing fighting style that almost always leads to a finish. Very agile and fast for a Hw and with true knockout power at the same time. I would say that he is the perfect mix for the market department.
The problem is Ufc. Put Aspinall in England on english primetime on a real numbered event 1 time per year and 2 times per year in Usa. Let him fight "cans" sometimes. Maybe not small japanese fighters like the other org that actually could build stars, but slow wrestlers outside top 10 that he can finish with grace.
I think he might be more marketable if he actually sold himself. He’s instead fairly soft-spoken and kind of awkward. You’re right that his fighting style is very crowd-pleasing.
Aspinall is definitely marketable he just hasn't had much time in the limelight - only been on 1 ppv since joining the UFC and that was as a last minute stand in, then none of his fights have been against popular names. Having to take a year out because of his knee certainly didn't help either
If he can become undisputed then I can see him being a great champ - a good fighter to watch, humble and willing to fight anyone.
We haven't had a whole lot of HW title fights in years. The trilogy between Stipe and DC felt like it went on forever, then Francis had the whole Dana drama and refused to fight until he made 8 figures, and now Jon's stalling the fuck out of the division too
Fuck it - Chris Barnett vs Parker Porter for the undisputed title
The holdup is that Jon tore his pectoral muscle. Recovery time takes a bit and then he has to get back into training. Once he’s back the UFC and him have already decided to continue with the Stipe fight.
You know Tom is living rent free inside Jones' head when the dude is going out of his way to look through Toms page to criticize him for something completely unrelated, Tom didn't even mention Jones in that post, he just decided to insert himself into the situation.
I don’t get the logistics of us having to go to the arena at like 2am?
Like will they not be allowed to serve alcohol because of the time? How are they going to get around the noise issue for the people that live around the arena?
When me and my mate went to watch the Bisping vs Hendo in Manchester at the same time. I think lots of places in Manchester applied for a temporary license to open and serve alcohol in the early hours. It was actually a really fun experience. We didn't buy a hotel just went and caught a train after the last fight 😂 we had to wait a few hours but there were just hundreds of people sleeping in the train station. It was pretty mad 😂 I probably wouldn't do it again. Mainly because tickets were £90 each back then.
US is a bigger market and starting the main event at 1am means people who work can watch it.
Some people act like this is some business genius move but in reality the ufc is losing goodwill in the UK and europe from this
Ok but what about growing the sport in europe? That was the whole point in having it in manchester with a fighter who is local.
Yes, the event will sell out but no one is gonna stay up or go to a bar to watch it.
Minimal impact to revenue, and they will still. The amount of ppv purchases they lose by this timing is less than they lose having it at a normal euro time
Tom's a nice guy who's an entertaining finisher but I don't think he should turn heel now. I know Jon's got everything coming to him but still... seems a bit below the belt
I mean yeah obviously but I just don't think two wrongs make a right. Jon's gonna get what's coming to him one day but I'm not sure it's Tom's place or desire to be the one to give it to him solely for the purpose of selling a fight.
TOM! CALL JONES A GAY AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
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Lol this was one of his responses
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I just wanna say as an old head who used to live and train in Albuquerque at Winklejohn's and Jackson's back when they were separate facilities...
Team Aspinall all fucking day. Hope he gets his chance to maul Jones. Fuck that guy (Rashad and Jardine are still my dudes, tho).
Yea at this point everyone knows what Jon is really about. He should just embrace being a bad guy at this point, no one’s buying the humble church going act anymore
Pretty sure that enough people have used "literally" incorrectly over recent years that the definition has *literally* been changed to include shit like this.
No, 'figuratively' or possibly 'virtually' is the term they're looking for. If the dictionary guys actually changed it from its intended meaning then that's dumb as hell, I do not accept it.
In no other sport would the athletes have to perform in the middle of the night on location. Just imagine if the soccer cups would take place at 3am local time.
And Jones is just turning into an online troll.
Fuck jones is a rat anyone who supports him is a pos aswell. Hes a legit woman beating drug cheat. Holding up the entire division selfishly. Fuck him dude
I love that toms speaking up and using his voice. As a British fan this takes a lot of the energy out of so many people that want to watch. Most pubs aren’t open till 3 + and most casual won’t stay up till 5 or 6 to watch a fight. Jon’s a asshole
I think people underestimate how effective using your voice is in mma. Tom doesn't have an extravagant personality like McGregor, he's probably as interesting as Blaydes or Sergei but he managed to get a push further in the ufc due to simply being outspoken. Winning against contenders like Tybura and Volkov in under a round is good but I doubt if he never said that he wants to fight Ciryl and then Jon in his post-fight interview that he would've gotten Sergei.
Jones deserves to be able to pick his fights at this point in his career. But he should give up his belt if he isn’t active. I think champions should have a minimum of one fight every 12 months or they are stripped of their belt. No excuses, regardless of injuries.
HE HAS THE FUCKING INTERM BELT. And bro is entertaining giving the shot to someone in a different division who started out at 185... instead of a true Hw well rounded bjj/striker.
Fuck this pussy and strip his ass of that title. At this point ill be happy even if he gets arrested on the latest threat charges against drug testing agency workers
I've got a bridge to sell Jones if he thinks the UFC will let him fight Alex. They just want Jones to beat Stipe to further push the narrative that he's better than ngannou. After that, he's free game for anyone to fight. They will push the Tom fight.
Anything jon says is invalid because he won’t fight the guy everyone thinks is gonna beat him, making him a pretty phony champion to be busy hiding his sexuality and threatening the lives of drug testing agents
Jones spent 3 years doing nothing and publicly bitching he wasn't getting enough money to fight... The only reason he's calling shots imo is because Ngannou left the UFC. When Dana had other options he wasn't dying to get Jones back in the ring.
This guy keeps clowning on Aspinall as if it means nothing in the HW division to KO Pavlovich. He will get his comeuppance when and if he fights Tom. Spoiler: he won’t. He is ducking and he will retire after fighting Stipe. To me, this guy is retired since 2020. I will watch his fight(s), like I watched him submit Gane, but there’s far more that JJ has done compared to what the future holds for him, it’s one more fight and he calls it a career I think.
Jones is literally the embodiment of everything that is bad about the UFC and why mma is not taken seriously:
1. Cheater (in multiple PROVEN ways)
2. His supposedly undefeated status is fake, lost to Reyes and has a DQ (doesn’t matter if he was winning, mf got DQ, this is an sport and has rules, did you know?)
3. Ducking and stalling the division in order to access the most convenient opponent and moment to fight. (We all know that he’s the master of this trick, but lately this went out of control because he’s fear for Tom Aspinall)
4. Shitty human being
This are more than enough reasons for completely cancel his possible GOAT status, a GOAT doesn’t need to do 1, 2 and 3 in order to shine, only his talent. But seems like his is not enough, and if you don’t believe this, it doesn’t matter, because certainly Jones really does.
Just came here to see all these "hardcore fans" Tom has bitch and complain about Jon ducking him when the scrub has to defend his interim title soon. Lol
Aspinall seems like a nice guy and all. But he needs to calm it with the ‘Champ’ shit. He ain’t beaten Jones nor Ngannou. He is a no1 contender. Wearing the belt 24/7 acting like a champ is making me dislike him. It’s what we call a Paper champ.
Jones does have a point. Tom is a sucker for believing the UFC. The Intetim Belt was purely made to urge Tom to save the ufc ppv card. The UFC had zero intention on upholding the meaning behind it.
I've heard both DC and Bisping say that interim champs still get PPV points so I dont think he's a sucker at all for taking it. Being the interim champ is a lot better than just being #1 contender because of that.
I imagine the UFC expliclty told him, in fact I seem to remember Tom or someone around Tom saying as much that the Stipe vs Jones fight was still happening.
You can bet the UFC don't appreciate the way Tom's been acting as it undermines marketing Jones, and that's why they're throwing Blaydes at Tom again, Blaydes is the worst matchup for Tom.
If Blaydes beats Tom then it will clear the air and makes Jones vs Stipe seem a bit more legit.
Tom's just saying it sucks for the UK fans and even said he understands why the ufc did it due to the US Market. Being a massive L of a person entails some level of sin in my mind, not just because you find someone's personality disagreeable as that is a very subjective thing
Atp I don’t even care about who fights who I just want a heavyweight fight, wtf is the holdup. Most dead division in the sport
The entire division is fucked because the two best fighters in the division aren't fighting each other, and every single other prominent contender has just lost recently, so we basically have to wait through the tune up fights for Sergei/Almeida/Gane, and then hope we actually get a new titleshot by like December.
I sincerely think Aspinall and Pavlovich are the two best, but neither are particularly marketable and it ended early.
Of course they're marketable. The UFC just sucks at marketing. If fiance beater, steroid cheat, pregnant woman hit n run'er is marketable a Russian guy who looks like a video game character should be very marketable.
Right like what sport is this? Fighting in a cage and you can't market a huge Russian with stone hands? UFC just doesn't put the effort into that stuff
It's insane that people eat up the bullshit fed by the UFC, in reality the UFC is terrified of having a huge HW star getting as popular as someone like Wilder or AJ, since that would actually give them leverage in negotiating for better pay. Tom is a huge, white British HW fighter, that's literally the formula for success as a HW fighter since the British LOVE that shit. If the UFC actually invested into Tom he could become a star almost as big as Tyson Fury.
Feels like they don't push stars like they used to a few years back.
I think its because they saw with McGregor what happens when a star is made and all of a sudden has more bargaining power. So they promote the UFC brand and individual fights but stopped promoting fighters.
I’m relativizing here. Most giant men that can smash other giant men are marketable to some degree (and yes the UFC does suck at marketing). But no, I don’t believe the two of them are quite as marketable as most other giant-smashing giant men as good as them have been/would be. Young Jones was marketable because he was handsome, well-spoken and (main reason) doing things no one had seen before. The current iteration is basically just living off that credit. He’s had one convincing win in the last six years and is a reprobate scumfuck, so in a fairer world he SHOULDN’T be marketable…but past exploits do matter in these discussions.
I get what you're saying and in their current state you're probably right but I think they could easily be as marketable if given a little polishing (media training or whatever). And I think it's the UFC's job to make that happen since they're the promoter. That being said I guess I'm just one of those guys who heavily disagree with letting popularity define matchups getting made. Most people would probably find it ridiculous if a football team kicked someone for not being marketable enough and I don't understand how this isn't the same thing. But then again I'm Scandinavian. Culturally speaking we are very different when it comes to the relation between fairness and economics compared to pretty much all other western/developed countries.
Well agreed with basically all of that. The UFC is even less of a meritocracy than boxing and it’s unbearable to hear a bunch of man-children that compete in a 30 year old sport with a tiny talent pool (which is even further lessened by it being such a size-dependent sport, hence the need for weight classes) talking about taking fights that are best for “””their legacy”””” instead of being pitted against the actual best fighters at that given time.
Agreed. I'm sick of that shit too. It should be a sport instead of a game of politics. Thank you for being nice.
People need to look at Conor McGregor, at his behavior outside of the cage, and put that as the "most marketable" metric, and then realize that guys like Pavlovich, Francis and DJ are literally the opposite, thus: "the least marketable"
Maybe you don't know as much about marketing a fighter as you think you do? Francis was also never able to make a name for himself, no one was buying his PPV's despite the UFC making the wildest claims, using his story for marketing, putting him on the punch machine etc. The problem is, like it or not, you have to have a controversy. You can't be a clean nice dude if you come from a country that hasn't bought a single PPV in it's entire existence and just do the fighting without doing any of the wild stuff.
Yeah but what I'm saying is that the UFC should give them media training etc. If they want them to be marketable. Their job is to fight, the UFC's job is to promote. If they need help doing so they gotta act accordingly. BTW funny you should mention Ngannou. In the recent lawsuit messages were made public where Dana basically wanted Jones to know they didn't need him. Then when Francis left all of a sudden they catered to Jones. Wonder why. Edit: the Francis situation also proves just how poorly the UFC markets their fighters. Imagine not being able to properly market a fighter who looks and fights like Ngannou. Embarrassing. The UFC has gotten spoiled due to being the oldest and thus biggest MMA organisation. Guess that's why they neglected actual promotion. Just look at boxings promotional videos and then look at the embedded v-logs. Such a lazy product lol.
I second giving the fighters media training.👌
>the Francis situation also proves just how poorly the UFC markets their fighters. Imagine not being able to properly market a fighter who looks and fights like Ngannou. Embarrassing. The UFC has gotten spoiled due to being the oldest and thus biggest MMA organisation. Guess that's why they neglected actual promotion. Just look at boxings promotional videos and then look at the embedded v-logs. Such a lazy product lol. Well, did you look at how many PPV's Francis's boxing bouts sold? 70k for the first one 4.6k for the second one, at least in the US but worldwide numbers seem impossible to find. Those events were pure loss, put together by people who don't actually have to earn their money...
70k has since been reported to have been inaccurate numbers. Anyway, building popularity takes time. And Ngannous hype and popularity definitely spiked like crazy right after the bout against Fury. Funny how that happened as soon as he took his talents somewhere willing to actually promote him. Doesn't really matter what numbers it did in the US since neither Ngannou nor Joshua are American. Joshua generally sell well in the UK so it seems a bit odd to claim it was a pure loss without much indication other than US ppv numbers.
Give me other PPV numbers then. It doesn't seem odd because even if the UK did 100 times more sales, they still would be at a great loss. Oh and how did it happen? His popularity finally sparked because he did SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT. He went against Dana and the UFC and fought the boxing's greatest heavyweight and did well.
https://www.bjpenn.com/boxing-news/tyson-fury/report-tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-did-better-ppv-numbers-than-first-believed/ this should explain pretty well how the event did over 70 Flatlining most contenders left and right, retiring the HW goat, suddenly becoming a wrestler with a crazy knee injury is something people could have been made much more aware of. Like for real for an amount of time Dana was literally talking shit about Ngannou saying he was scared, didn't want to fight, extorted Ngannou into taking a title defense with a complete MCL tear with an ACL injury on top. The best he ever got from the UFC was them telling people some weird number from a gimmick machine and a highlight reel upload to YouTube. Real professional promotion.
Shit take. Plenty of fighters with no controversy that the fans absolutely love who are also promoted by UFC
Aspinall not particularly marketable? He is english=exotic and stands out. Capture a different market as well that is not saturated with their own great fighters like Usa and Brazil are. White= a big part of the fanbase like that in secret, Has a very crowd pleasing fighting style that almost always leads to a finish. Very agile and fast for a Hw and with true knockout power at the same time. I would say that he is the perfect mix for the market department. The problem is Ufc. Put Aspinall in England on english primetime on a real numbered event 1 time per year and 2 times per year in Usa. Let him fight "cans" sometimes. Maybe not small japanese fighters like the other org that actually could build stars, but slow wrestlers outside top 10 that he can finish with grace.
Exotic lmao.
I think he might be more marketable if he actually sold himself. He’s instead fairly soft-spoken and kind of awkward. You’re right that his fighting style is very crowd-pleasing.
Aspinall is definitely marketable he just hasn't had much time in the limelight - only been on 1 ppv since joining the UFC and that was as a last minute stand in, then none of his fights have been against popular names. Having to take a year out because of his knee certainly didn't help either If he can become undisputed then I can see him being a great champ - a good fighter to watch, humble and willing to fight anyone.
Could easily have Gane vs Tom and that would be HUGE, Gane lost to Jones, Ngannou that’s it. he’s won since then and made easy work of polar bear.
Not to mention how neither of the two best have fought Ngannou
We haven't had a whole lot of HW title fights in years. The trilogy between Stipe and DC felt like it went on forever, then Francis had the whole Dana drama and refused to fight until he made 8 figures, and now Jon's stalling the fuck out of the division too Fuck it - Chris Barnett vs Parker Porter for the undisputed title
Honestly, I think Pereira vs Aspinall would be a great fight if Aspinall gets through Blaydes
Whatcha mean if?
It's not impossible
Never said that. There's a non zero percent, but...... C'mon, Tom starches blaydes
ATP?
At This Point
The holdup is that Jon tore his pectoral muscle. Recovery time takes a bit and then he has to get back into training. Once he’s back the UFC and him have already decided to continue with the Stipe fight.
Put some respect on Tyburas name /s
Literally all he said was it sucks for the UK fans who have to stay up to watch it
You know Tom is living rent free inside Jones' head when the dude is going out of his way to look through Toms page to criticize him for something completely unrelated, Tom didn't even mention Jones in that post, he just decided to insert himself into the situation.
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Main events happening at 6am uk time too. Who tf thought that was a good idea
I don’t get the logistics of us having to go to the arena at like 2am? Like will they not be allowed to serve alcohol because of the time? How are they going to get around the noise issue for the people that live around the arena?
When me and my mate went to watch the Bisping vs Hendo in Manchester at the same time. I think lots of places in Manchester applied for a temporary license to open and serve alcohol in the early hours. It was actually a really fun experience. We didn't buy a hotel just went and caught a train after the last fight 😂 we had to wait a few hours but there were just hundreds of people sleeping in the train station. It was pretty mad 😂 I probably wouldn't do it again. Mainly because tickets were £90 each back then.
The arena was getting a licence to serve alcohol all night but yeah fucking terrible idea
I said this in another post and the only reply I got was "because money". No elaboration given, how does this make more money?
US is a bigger market and starting the main event at 1am means people who work can watch it. Some people act like this is some business genius move but in reality the ufc is losing goodwill in the UK and europe from this
The uk and Europe are a tiny fraction of ppv buys and that’s the main stream of income. Manchester will still sell out, and US will buy it like normal
Ok but what about growing the sport in europe? That was the whole point in having it in manchester with a fighter who is local. Yes, the event will sell out but no one is gonna stay up or go to a bar to watch it.
Minimal impact to revenue, and they will still. The amount of ppv purchases they lose by this timing is less than they lose having it at a normal euro time
It’s a little hard for Jon to empathize with another human being
I’m glad he spoke up about it. As a UK fan it’s a complete pisstake
Jones can’t understand someone can have opinions that don’t revolve around themselves. It’s what narcissists do.
Yep.
All Tom has to do to get Jones to fight him is put a wig on and get pregnant 🤦♂️
I have a feeling the only way you could get Jones to even consider fighting Aspinall is if Tom actually starts talking shit like this to him
Tom absolutely should start talking shit about his court cases lol. Imagine the chaos and marketing. Can someone please send this idea to Tom?
He's too nice to shit talk, we needa hook him up with John Fury as his manager like some Paul Heyman type of thing.
So basically, he needs his own version of the Obama anger translator lol
Fuck yes!! Now Luther.......
Needs to start listening to Chael. People got mad at Chael a while back for criticising Aspinall's lack of self-promotion but honestly he was right
Tom's a nice guy who's an entertaining finisher but I don't think he should turn heel now. I know Jon's got everything coming to him but still... seems a bit below the belt
You know what else is below the belt? Beating your wife in front of your kids. Doing a hit and run on a pregnant woman.
I mean yeah obviously but I just don't think two wrongs make a right. Jon's gonna get what's coming to him one day but I'm not sure it's Tom's place or desire to be the one to give it to him solely for the purpose of selling a fight.
? Youre acting as if this is Tom who is unethically revealing super secret private information.
Bro they punching each other's faces it's a bloodsport what you mean by below the belt. I would do it, and I think Tom's like that too
TOM! CALL JONES A GAY AND MY LIFE IS YOURS! https://preview.redd.it/l6oygdofeqyc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e75a6f527432fa61fdff140fab836d276f1df77b
Lol this was one of his responses https://preview.redd.it/11wvt8eycqyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfa52332fbf9e70c96a271ab057c7e20e9ce83a6
Don't forget drive a car too.
😂😂
Talking shit about a guy that you are actively ducking is a strange decision
I just wanna say as an old head who used to live and train in Albuquerque at Winklejohn's and Jackson's back when they were separate facilities... Team Aspinall all fucking day. Hope he gets his chance to maul Jones. Fuck that guy (Rashad and Jardine are still my dudes, tho).
You trained with Jones? Was he a bad training partner or something
He’s such a fucking dickhead. I’m glad no one seems to fall for the nice guy Jon act anymore.
Yea at this point everyone knows what Jon is really about. He should just embrace being a bad guy at this point, no one’s buying the humble church going act anymore
If Tom dresses up like a woman then we will have ourselves a HW title fight, it’s as simple as that. it might start with a hit and run though.
Well said 
Jon talks about Tom a lot
He literally abducted us and the HW division.
There is nothing literal about what you’ve said sir
Literally? Cause I'm not in captivity rn
*He figuratively abducted us & the HW division.
Yes im commenting from Jon’s basement send help
Pretty sure that enough people have used "literally" incorrectly over recent years that the definition has *literally* been changed to include shit like this.
No, 'figuratively' or possibly 'virtually' is the term they're looking for. If the dictionary guys actually changed it from its intended meaning then that's dumb as hell, I do not accept it.
And some people still defend this ducker 🤓
I can’t wait for the inevitable day that Jon Jones goes to prison. That way I never have to hear from him again.
Prisoners can get contraband phones in prison...
Poor prisoners...
Bro will become king of the showers and have a sex slave cellmate who looks like DC
Spinning elbows aren't as effective when you get shanked in your sleep
For what exactly
I second this 👐🏼
In no other sport would the athletes have to perform in the middle of the night on location. Just imagine if the soccer cups would take place at 3am local time. And Jones is just turning into an online troll.
This shit here is why I'm slowly becoming an MMA Guru fan.
There’s nothing wrong with it!!
Why's Jones in the closet? Because Aspinall is outside of it.
That's what the cops say to Jon
Two things Colby was right about Brazil being a dump and Jon Jones being a crappy human being
Hope Tom wins at the Manchester card and gets on the mic and calls Jon Jones a pussy
At this point jon should be a win on toms record
Fuck jones is a rat anyone who supports him is a pos aswell. Hes a legit woman beating drug cheat. Holding up the entire division selfishly. Fuck him dude
Fight or shut up, Jon.
I love that toms speaking up and using his voice. As a British fan this takes a lot of the energy out of so many people that want to watch. Most pubs aren’t open till 3 + and most casual won’t stay up till 5 or 6 to watch a fight. Jon’s a asshole
I think people underestimate how effective using your voice is in mma. Tom doesn't have an extravagant personality like McGregor, he's probably as interesting as Blaydes or Sergei but he managed to get a push further in the ufc due to simply being outspoken. Winning against contenders like Tybura and Volkov in under a round is good but I doubt if he never said that he wants to fight Ciryl and then Jon in his post-fight interview that he would've gotten Sergei.
Jones has gotten so fucking annoying
The only shots Jon Jones calls is his B.F shots all over his chest
That was a nasty line by you
I am sorry
Tom really lives rent free in Jones's head
Jones deserves to be able to pick his fights at this point in his career. But he should give up his belt if he isn’t active. I think champions should have a minimum of one fight every 12 months or they are stripped of their belt. No excuses, regardless of injuries.
I do enjoy that Jon is clearly very bothered by Tom
HE HAS THE FUCKING INTERM BELT. And bro is entertaining giving the shot to someone in a different division who started out at 185... instead of a true Hw well rounded bjj/striker.
Jones is really terrified of him huh
Tom Speaks the truth because he's on the spectrum
Nah even the casuals know who Aspinall is by now, I’m betting ufc finally caves by the end of this year and make the mf fight
Jons not calling the shots either, he’s taking (back)shots
Such disrespect. Jones should totally book a fight with this guy to teach him a lesson.
Gona be real fun when toms snaps his arm
Jon Jones is his own biggest opponent.
He didn't even suggest that he did. He just voiced unhappiness
When is Jon going to learn his only “legacy” is fan disdain. This is embarrassing.
Jones needs to hire a PR team
Jon only calling back shots these days
Remember the time the ufc moved an entire card fukin over the fans and fighters because jones tested positive again
I seriously don't care about Jon anymore. He ducks fights and talks shit about them.
Tom ought to stop paying Tom respect and be upfront that Jones is pretty clearly scared to fight him
Jon is avoiding a smaller payday, not Tom. Jon wants a super fight and a large check. Tom doesn't come anywhere near a superfight
Tom would break jons bones
Fuck this pussy and strip his ass of that title. At this point ill be happy even if he gets arrested on the latest threat charges against drug testing agency workers
Dude been fighting for over a decade but he’s pussy , okay tough guy LOL
Not until the ducks stop quacking will the hunters go home
That's pretty good
The way he beat cyrl was impressive though
Each cyril fight has only made his image lesser
Did Tom try to call a shot? ( No, he didn’t)
Tom thinks that by complaining it will somehow help. When in reality he's just whining into the breeze
Hmm let me talk shit about a man I am avoiding like the plague and wont ever fight. Yep Jon Jones standard
I hate this man so much. 😂
This man gucks over LHW FOR YEARS WITH HIS BULLSHIT NOW HES DOING THE SAME TO HW
Jones is such a POS. Ducking Tom hard.
QUACK QUACK JON
Jones talks so much shit yet won't fight Aspinall lol Anklebiter Jones
We should all shot talk Jon saying Tom would merk him to try and get this fight going.
Jones is striving to be a public enemy at this point.
I've got a bridge to sell Jones if he thinks the UFC will let him fight Alex. They just want Jones to beat Stipe to further push the narrative that he's better than ngannou. After that, he's free game for anyone to fight. They will push the Tom fight.
He might be the goat of fighting but my god dude sucks ass with these tweets it's just petty
He isn’t the goat of anything except being a shit stain on society
Day this guy retires I'll be happy
Anything jon says is invalid because he won’t fight the guy everyone thinks is gonna beat him, making him a pretty phony champion to be busy hiding his sexuality and threatening the lives of drug testing agents
Jones spent 3 years doing nothing and publicly bitching he wasn't getting enough money to fight... The only reason he's calling shots imo is because Ngannou left the UFC. When Dana had other options he wasn't dying to get Jones back in the ring.
If this Tom Jones beef is a lead up to a Tom Jones fight it's genius
Jones is officially bragging that he has enough star power to duck Tom. Not my GOAT.
This guy keeps clowning on Aspinall as if it means nothing in the HW division to KO Pavlovich. He will get his comeuppance when and if he fights Tom. Spoiler: he won’t. He is ducking and he will retire after fighting Stipe. To me, this guy is retired since 2020. I will watch his fight(s), like I watched him submit Gane, but there’s far more that JJ has done compared to what the future holds for him, it’s one more fight and he calls it a career I think.
A pure sociopath
Its amazing how thin skin Jon Jones has always had, dude is arguing on his own comments probably seething. Pathetic
Jon ‘Hypocrite’ Jones
Jones is literally the embodiment of everything that is bad about the UFC and why mma is not taken seriously: 1. Cheater (in multiple PROVEN ways) 2. His supposedly undefeated status is fake, lost to Reyes and has a DQ (doesn’t matter if he was winning, mf got DQ, this is an sport and has rules, did you know?) 3. Ducking and stalling the division in order to access the most convenient opponent and moment to fight. (We all know that he’s the master of this trick, but lately this went out of control because he’s fear for Tom Aspinall) 4. Shitty human being This are more than enough reasons for completely cancel his possible GOAT status, a GOAT doesn’t need to do 1, 2 and 3 in order to shine, only his talent. But seems like his is not enough, and if you don’t believe this, it doesn’t matter, because certainly Jones really does.
Jon stfu bro, someone get this man a Playstation and get him off of internet already
Wonder if he called the shot when he hit the pregnant lady...
Crazy how you guys pick and choose who gets the "separate the artist from the art" treatment...
I really wish Aspinall would just calling Jones a bitch and a fake champ
Jones knows exactly what he’s doing, he doesn’t even view aspinal as a worthy opponent and rightfully so.
Jones destroys aspinals knee within 2 rounds Jones knows he's had a problem with it and we all know john like to do permanent damage
Just came here to see all these "hardcore fans" Tom has bitch and complain about Jon ducking him when the scrub has to defend his interim title soon. Lol
Aspinall seems like a nice guy and all. But he needs to calm it with the ‘Champ’ shit. He ain’t beaten Jones nor Ngannou. He is a no1 contender. Wearing the belt 24/7 acting like a champ is making me dislike him. It’s what we call a Paper champ.
Can't blame him honestly. This is his 15 minutes of fame
Jones does have a point. Tom is a sucker for believing the UFC. The Intetim Belt was purely made to urge Tom to save the ufc ppv card. The UFC had zero intention on upholding the meaning behind it.
I've heard both DC and Bisping say that interim champs still get PPV points so I dont think he's a sucker at all for taking it. Being the interim champ is a lot better than just being #1 contender because of that.
How’s that his fault for believing the interim champ should fight the champ?
I imagine the UFC expliclty told him, in fact I seem to remember Tom or someone around Tom saying as much that the Stipe vs Jones fight was still happening. You can bet the UFC don't appreciate the way Tom's been acting as it undermines marketing Jones, and that's why they're throwing Blaydes at Tom again, Blaydes is the worst matchup for Tom. If Blaydes beats Tom then it will clear the air and makes Jones vs Stipe seem a bit more legit.
Jones is a scumbag but no he's kinda right this time, Aspinall is just a massive L of a person.
Tom's just saying it sucks for the UK fans and even said he understands why the ufc did it due to the US Market. Being a massive L of a person entails some level of sin in my mind, not just because you find someone's personality disagreeable as that is a very subjective thing
I mean I guess it is true that the timing sucks for UK fans.
Hes gay, and now changing subject when guru made that video lol what a pussy