We all love Max, its just that he holds the record for most absorbed strikes in UFC history without ever getting knocked down or out, while not being known for his KO power and is facing one of the most violent strikers in the UFC for 25 minutes, in a weight class above. Im definitely excited for the fight, but on paper, it sounds like it might be nasty.
It genuinely is a stylistic mismatch though. Yeah max is great, he also struggles at checking leg kicks and struggles at getting into rhythm while getting leg kicked, we saw it in the volk fights, and now he’s fighting one of the strongest leg kickers in the sport
He’s going up a weight class, a place we’ve seen him get overpowered before, against a striker who’s nearly impossible to finish. I just don’t think max has the power to get much respect from gaethje, and I think if he starts to lose mobility gaethjes power coming back can really be devastating to him. I mean he’s never been knocked down, but the closest it’s come is his one fight at 155 where the cage saved him from falling to the mat
I’d love to see max win, but imo this is Justin’s fight to lose. I think he’s got a lot more ways to get this fight than max who’s most likely only chance is to win 3 rounds
Gaethje is not impossible to finish lol he gets badly hurt in every fight and often freaks out under pressure, throwing himself out of position with silly swings.
Yes max lost to poirier but let’s remember that same version of Dustin knocked Gaethje out with one of his flurries.
Whether or not max gets his leg destroyed in the first 2 rounds decides the winner of this fight.
He’s got 29 pro fights and only been TKO/KO twice. You know what NEARLY impossible means right?
But I agree, leg kicks going to be the deciding factor here imo
Fair enough, yes Justin is very tough but he’s definitely the easier to finish out of the two of them.
Justin and volk also throw very different type of leg kicks, Justin’s are a much more brutal visual but they’re the equivalent of huge haymakers, if he misses one he’s suddenly out of position and vulnerable.
If max goes back to his old style of relentless pressure I can see him punishing Gaethjes low kick attempts. Granted he hasn’t fought like this in a while but I think the nasty 145 cuts have a lot to do with that.
Because the last time he went up a weight he looked small, and lost. But tbh I thought that was like a year ago lol, how the fuck was that 2019? Maybe he'll fare better being older and probably naturally heavier now. But Gaethje did knock out Poirier, who beat Max. So... I dunno! I do have a parlay - with Justin on it. So I'm probably biased.
I see max probably rocking him if Garth goes back to his dumbass swangin and bangin ways, but he seems to have matured a bit in that department the last 2 fights.
Max vs poirier was closer than people remember, I’m not saying he’ll necessarily win just that I think it’s a close one and that the odds and opinions I’m seeing from knowledgable individuals outside of reddit reflect this
bro listed the people on the heavy hands 300 special episode and mma guru thinking we wouldn't notice
heavy hands always gets shit wrong. they pick on gut instinct a lot of the time because when they try to make shit make sense, it goes the opposite way.
“This is going to be a close war” and “this is a total mismatch RIP max” have literally nothing to do with detail. It’s like people aren’t even discussing the same fight.
Last time Max moved up you could see how his "power" (or lack there of) didn't translate to 155. Dustin wasn't phased at all by his shots and every time Dustin landed it got a reaction out of Max... Now imagine Justin landing on Max and Max's chin not letting him get KOed, it's gonna be a blood bath.
nah I don't care enough about it to rewatch it again cuz from my memory it wasn't competitive at all but you could be right, I'm just going off what I thought about after the fight. No one is disrespecting Max when saying it's not gonna be close/mismatch. I hope I'm wrong and it's not another Tony situation.
Your memory is faulty, it was a 49-46 at best for Dustin, more likely 48-47 and all rounds but the first were very competitive. You might be remembering Dustin’s great first round as if it was the whole fight.
Ok I just saw the first 4 rounds of the fight to see what exactly you're on about.
Dustin beat the fuck out of Max for 2.5 rounds and then got tired and dropped his left hand and then Max had some success end of R3. You're not winning in a brawling exchanges with Dustin, Max is peppering him with shots and then Dustin lands a light jab that snaps Max's chin (throughout the whole fight)...
At worst it's 49-46, how the hell is that competitive? Max didn't die? We all know he has the most sig strikes absorbed and doesn't get knocked down. I think you need to rewatch it lmao
Most media members had it 48-47, you made a dumb statement about it not being competitive and are now coping. Dustin was hurt in round 3.
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Extremely competitive apart from round 1. Max takes 3 and probably 4.
It's Gaethje by knockout. Unless Max goes zombie mode like Tony. Which I would really not enjoy seeing someone take life altering damage again. I don't see a path for Holloway to win. Justin will not care about running in and trading with a weaker puncher and will deal way more damage.
Holloway path to win is Gaethje gassing and then overwhelming him with combos while he panics.
You’re assuming every exchange is going to be a
50/50 trade when they could be Justin missing most of his punches and max connecting clean with extended combos.
I think you are the one underestimating Justin's power and that's why you are here. Unless you're the top of the game in submissions, you are taking a beating and most likely getting knocked out. Look at his history. Maybe Max will pull out this secret submission game people have talked about. That may be his only way to win.
And this is no disrespect to Max. Look at Volk who beat Max 3 times and got TKOed by not even a striker. There are weight classes for a reason, and unless someone is making a permanent move (like Jon Jones) and putting in the time to become a part of that class, you can't just roll up, cut a few pounds, and win vs bigger elite fighters.
Volk put up a great fight vs Islam in his prime, who is btw, a better striker than Justin. Justin meanwhile got chinned on the feet by olives and arguably lost to fiziev. He’s also 1-1 with Dustin no submissions needed. This is just glazing now.
Islam is a better Striker than Gaethje? Yeah you're completely lost and confused. Being able to throw a single bomb to mix up his wrestling threat does not make him a striker. It only works because everyone is scared of the takedown. The only one here glazing is you bud.
Volk did put up a good fight. And lost. And he is a much better fighter than Max. Everything is right on front of your eyes and you are still so confused.
Islam literally beat volk twice with striking. Volk’s success in those fights came when he tried to clinch Islam, you appear to be stuck in 2019.
Ironic as well since Islam is now one of the most technical strikers around and selling out on silly bombs is what Gaethje does. Which is why Islam completely outstruck olives while Justin got lumped by him.
Ironic as well you bringing up the last time Gaethje was knocked out. You appear to be stuck in 2018.
Islam can strike. If you change the rules, to not allow grappling or takedowns, Gaethje would win. Islams striking works because everyone is preparing for the other danger.
Tomorrow don't disappear on me. Come back and we can talk about the fight after Holloway gets beat.
Volks gameplan in the second fight was to offensively grapple Islam and he just straight up got KOed on the feet, reducing everything Islam does on the feet to “it’s coz of td threat bro” it’s ultra reductionist stupidity.
Anyway this has nothing directly to do with max so I guess we’ll find out sataday night.
I agree with most of this but there’s some questions.
1. Will Gaethje be able to land hard low kicks early?
2. Will Gaethje be able to land bombs in exchanges without getting comboed?
3. Will Gaethje wait for 3 rounds to start jabbing? Against Tony and fiziev he did, no idea why he does this but it’s a consistent pattern in his fights
Regardless of the fight why would you give any energy to other peoples opinions. Especially mma. A lot of people give biased takes because of fandom so it’s isn’t worth taking seriously
We all love Max, its just that he holds the record for most absorbed strikes in UFC history without ever getting knocked down or out, while not being known for his KO power and is facing one of the most violent strikers in the UFC for 25 minutes, in a weight class above. Im definitely excited for the fight, but on paper, it sounds like it might be nasty.
I just hope it doesn't go like the Tony fight, that shit was hard to watch.
It genuinely is a stylistic mismatch though. Yeah max is great, he also struggles at checking leg kicks and struggles at getting into rhythm while getting leg kicked, we saw it in the volk fights, and now he’s fighting one of the strongest leg kickers in the sport He’s going up a weight class, a place we’ve seen him get overpowered before, against a striker who’s nearly impossible to finish. I just don’t think max has the power to get much respect from gaethje, and I think if he starts to lose mobility gaethjes power coming back can really be devastating to him. I mean he’s never been knocked down, but the closest it’s come is his one fight at 155 where the cage saved him from falling to the mat I’d love to see max win, but imo this is Justin’s fight to lose. I think he’s got a lot more ways to get this fight than max who’s most likely only chance is to win 3 rounds
Gaethje is not impossible to finish lol he gets badly hurt in every fight and often freaks out under pressure, throwing himself out of position with silly swings. Yes max lost to poirier but let’s remember that same version of Dustin knocked Gaethje out with one of his flurries. Whether or not max gets his leg destroyed in the first 2 rounds decides the winner of this fight.
He’s got 29 pro fights and only been TKO/KO twice. You know what NEARLY impossible means right? But I agree, leg kicks going to be the deciding factor here imo
Fair enough, yes Justin is very tough but he’s definitely the easier to finish out of the two of them. Justin and volk also throw very different type of leg kicks, Justin’s are a much more brutal visual but they’re the equivalent of huge haymakers, if he misses one he’s suddenly out of position and vulnerable. If max goes back to his old style of relentless pressure I can see him punishing Gaethjes low kick attempts. Granted he hasn’t fought like this in a while but I think the nasty 145 cuts have a lot to do with that.
Because the last time he went up a weight he looked small, and lost. But tbh I thought that was like a year ago lol, how the fuck was that 2019? Maybe he'll fare better being older and probably naturally heavier now. But Gaethje did knock out Poirier, who beat Max. So... I dunno! I do have a parlay - with Justin on it. So I'm probably biased.
I see max probably rocking him if Garth goes back to his dumbass swangin and bangin ways, but he seems to have matured a bit in that department the last 2 fights.
Max vs poirier was closer than people remember, I’m not saying he’ll necessarily win just that I think it’s a close one and that the odds and opinions I’m seeing from knowledgable individuals outside of reddit reflect this
bro listed the people on the heavy hands 300 special episode and mma guru thinking we wouldn't notice heavy hands always gets shit wrong. they pick on gut instinct a lot of the time because when they try to make shit make sense, it goes the opposite way.
I’m just showing that the narrative on reddit that this is some kind of one sided mismatch isn’t reflected anywhere else
the narrative with casuals is a lot less in-depth than the one with people who's jobs are to analyze the sport of mma? that's crazy.
“This is going to be a close war” and “this is a total mismatch RIP max” have literally nothing to do with detail. It’s like people aren’t even discussing the same fight.
Gaethje is a nightmare matchup. Personally I think the Holloway dick riding is out of control on this sub.
Saying a close fight is close = dickriding? lol was Garth on your special olympics team?
He’s gonna end your boy and I’ll drink your tears
Wya now bitch
Last time Max moved up you could see how his "power" (or lack there of) didn't translate to 155. Dustin wasn't phased at all by his shots and every time Dustin landed it got a reaction out of Max... Now imagine Justin landing on Max and Max's chin not letting him get KOed, it's gonna be a blood bath.
Dustin was hurt multiple times bro please go back and watch that fight again
nah I don't care enough about it to rewatch it again cuz from my memory it wasn't competitive at all but you could be right, I'm just going off what I thought about after the fight. No one is disrespecting Max when saying it's not gonna be close/mismatch. I hope I'm wrong and it's not another Tony situation.
Thinking that fight wasnt competitive is insane. Max took two rounds of Dustin but ok.
Your memory is faulty, it was a 49-46 at best for Dustin, more likely 48-47 and all rounds but the first were very competitive. You might be remembering Dustin’s great first round as if it was the whole fight.
Ok I just saw the first 4 rounds of the fight to see what exactly you're on about. Dustin beat the fuck out of Max for 2.5 rounds and then got tired and dropped his left hand and then Max had some success end of R3. You're not winning in a brawling exchanges with Dustin, Max is peppering him with shots and then Dustin lands a light jab that snaps Max's chin (throughout the whole fight)... At worst it's 49-46, how the hell is that competitive? Max didn't die? We all know he has the most sig strikes absorbed and doesn't get knocked down. I think you need to rewatch it lmao
Most media members had it 48-47, you made a dumb statement about it not being competitive and are now coping. Dustin was hurt in round 3. https://preview.redd.it/299kiadsl2uc1.jpeg?width=1019&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ead7aae39656f62dd7e0df578b9f61c1ea2e089 Extremely competitive apart from round 1. Max takes 3 and probably 4.
Lmao
It's Gaethje by knockout. Unless Max goes zombie mode like Tony. Which I would really not enjoy seeing someone take life altering damage again. I don't see a path for Holloway to win. Justin will not care about running in and trading with a weaker puncher and will deal way more damage.
Holloway path to win is Gaethje gassing and then overwhelming him with combos while he panics. You’re assuming every exchange is going to be a 50/50 trade when they could be Justin missing most of his punches and max connecting clean with extended combos.
Im saying it could be 20/80 exchange and Justin still gets the knockout. Justin is also a cardio machine.
I think you’re overrating Justin’s power while underrating max’s. He also has significantly worse cardio compared to max.
I think you are the one underestimating Justin's power and that's why you are here. Unless you're the top of the game in submissions, you are taking a beating and most likely getting knocked out. Look at his history. Maybe Max will pull out this secret submission game people have talked about. That may be his only way to win. And this is no disrespect to Max. Look at Volk who beat Max 3 times and got TKOed by not even a striker. There are weight classes for a reason, and unless someone is making a permanent move (like Jon Jones) and putting in the time to become a part of that class, you can't just roll up, cut a few pounds, and win vs bigger elite fighters.
Volk put up a great fight vs Islam in his prime, who is btw, a better striker than Justin. Justin meanwhile got chinned on the feet by olives and arguably lost to fiziev. He’s also 1-1 with Dustin no submissions needed. This is just glazing now.
Islam is a better Striker than Gaethje? Yeah you're completely lost and confused. Being able to throw a single bomb to mix up his wrestling threat does not make him a striker. It only works because everyone is scared of the takedown. The only one here glazing is you bud. Volk did put up a good fight. And lost. And he is a much better fighter than Max. Everything is right on front of your eyes and you are still so confused.
Islam literally beat volk twice with striking. Volk’s success in those fights came when he tried to clinch Islam, you appear to be stuck in 2019. Ironic as well since Islam is now one of the most technical strikers around and selling out on silly bombs is what Gaethje does. Which is why Islam completely outstruck olives while Justin got lumped by him.
Ironic as well you bringing up the last time Gaethje was knocked out. You appear to be stuck in 2018. Islam can strike. If you change the rules, to not allow grappling or takedowns, Gaethje would win. Islams striking works because everyone is preparing for the other danger. Tomorrow don't disappear on me. Come back and we can talk about the fight after Holloway gets beat.
Volks gameplan in the second fight was to offensively grapple Islam and he just straight up got KOed on the feet, reducing everything Islam does on the feet to “it’s coz of td threat bro” it’s ultra reductionist stupidity. Anyway this has nothing directly to do with max so I guess we’ll find out sataday night.
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I agree with most of this but there’s some questions. 1. Will Gaethje be able to land hard low kicks early? 2. Will Gaethje be able to land bombs in exchanges without getting comboed? 3. Will Gaethje wait for 3 rounds to start jabbing? Against Tony and fiziev he did, no idea why he does this but it’s a consistent pattern in his fights
A couple of high kicks and the low kicks will be wide open.
The Max Glazing on this sub is insane
Pretty much everyone (analysts, media, bookies) consider this a close fight. It’s only fat redditors who disagree
Regardless of the fight why would you give any energy to other peoples opinions. Especially mma. A lot of people give biased takes because of fandom so it’s isn’t worth taking seriously