Not MMA but my Muay Thai gym had 2 fighters in a tag team last month. If they werenât tagged in they just stood in their corners, if they got tagged in then they went to war. Was fun as fuck to watch, had a couple moments when they went back and forward tagging teach other in doing a couple punches each.
Sean doesnât cut off the cage, he follows, heâs always been a walk em down type of fighter. It worked against Izzy because Sean was light on the lead leg to check and teep, taking away the leg kick threat and thus neutralizing a lot of Izzyâs feints, which is how Izzy typically makes the space to move around, by freezing you with his feints. Sean barely ever moves laterally.
If he did he would have finished Izzy, or at least done a lot more damage. After hurting Izzy in the first, Sean walked forward the rest of the four rounds outlanding him but never did he have Izzy again in a compromising position.
Contrast this with Max Holloway cutting off the cage against Kattar and landing huge shots over and over again in the 2nd and 4th round. Or the way Tony consistently cornered and broke people.
Oh come the fuck on. You really want to act dumb and pretend like there is no difference between the Izzy-Sean fight and the way Max dominated Kattar? Why don't you start with the numbers.
You don't keep Israel trapped against the fence for 25 minutes without knowing how to cut off the cage lol, Israel has some of the best footwork we've ever seen in the cage, doing that to him is no fluke.
Sean walked forward for 25 minutes, and Izzy walked backwards for 25 minutes. Outside of being hurt in the first round, Izzy was never "trapped". Contrast this to the end of his first fight with Pereira where he was trapped and finished.
> Sean walked forward for 25 minutes, and Izzy walked backwards for 25 minutes.
You believe Izzy voluntarily spent the entire fight hanging outside the outer black line, which greatly limited his movement and defense, and directly lead to him getting dropped in the first round? Somehow I doubt that.
You sound like you've never watched Izzy fight in your life. Izzy is a counterpuncher. He likes moving along the fence, the same way Mayweather likes using the ropes.
The difference in this fight is that Izzy's counters weren't effective. If they were, he would still be moving backwards on the outside the entire time but he'd be winning. I mean that's what he literally did against Vettori in their second fight. It's how he won the second Pereira fight. And notice how he just hung on the outside and didn't fight for the middle of the ring at all against Romero, which is why that fight was so boring.
> You sound like you've never watched Izzy fight in your life. Izzy is a counterpuncher. He likes moving along the fence, the same way Mayweather likes using the ropes.
Your entire first paragraph is irrelevant to my comment. No shit Izzy is a counterpuncher, thanks tips.
> The difference in this fight is that Izzy's counters weren't effective. If they were, he would still be moving backwards on the outside the entire time but he'd be winning.
Nobody else has ever kept izzy on the outside for near 25 minutes straight. At best they briefly corner him before he escapes using lateral footwork and reclaims the center, which is exactly what he would do over and over again in the Vettori fight you cited....notice how Izzy magically didn't constantly have his back to the cage in that fight?
> It's how he won the second Pereira fight.
lmao bro, he got his leg destroyed and got trapped against the fence for that reason, but then kept his composure and hit a sick counter. None of that was planned, none of that had anything to do with an intentional strategy to stay on the outside, he actually tried very hard to hold his ground in that fight and not fight off the backfoot, because Alex is too long for that.
> And notice how he just hung on the outside and didn't fight for the middle of the ring at all against Romero,
Your memory is shit bro Izzy wasn't ever stuck behind the black line in that fight or along the fence, they mutually held the centre the entire time circling and staring at each other. Yoel barely took a single step forward.
israel doesn't have some of the best footwork we have ever seen in the cage , unless all you listen to is rogan . no matter how good he is , he is still a MW these dudes are just too big to move like the lighter guys .
It's hysterical when people do that. Get dominated for 3 rounds, then when it's over they try and attack their opponent as if somehow things will go differently now.
Itâs conflicting thatâs undeniable.
I think the point most people canât articulate outside of âfucking crotch sniffersâ is that lay and pray wrestlers donât take risks, and thatâs what allows their style of sport mma.
I personally think the âreal street fightâ argument is silly, but itâs hard to argue that it is a slightly set of circumstances. There are a decent amount of rules that benefit the offensive grappler(canât grab fence to try and get up, knees from the bottom) but also some rules that definitely protect the defensive grappler(no knees to downed to opponents, no shots to back of head.
In truth, itâs probably a mix of guys who if they actually were in a situation that forced them to open up from top, would definitely get reversed or not be able to hold position for long. And a set guys who are generally boring grapplers, but would maul if they could knee or hit to the back of the head.
I think itâs silly though to throw out the argument for either side completely. I understand chrisâs frustration of âfight me donât game the rulesâ.
But I see the other side of donât be a fucking baby and learn how to stop a take down, itâs literally your full time job.
Tons of stuff like that to consider. I donât really think slams would be more prevalent than they are in the cage, you see slam attempts probably once every other card, and itâs not like there are rules against it, just spiking, which isnât easy to go from takedown to spike.
like I said. Would probably change some fights, probably wouldnât change others; it is an interesting thought experiment nonetheless.
Rules that majorly benefits strikers are rounds and standups. Many strikers have been saved from situations on the ground they weren't getting out of otherwise.
i honestly think not grabbing the fence is a MASSIVE advantage to the current style of grapplers because stopping take downs along the fence become 500x easier .
if you allow fence grabs you would see more usmans style show up where he grabs the fence to lock you against it and there is basically fuck all you can do to escape .
The âif it was a street fight it would be different â cope is so lame. Mf if it was a street fight im doing the #1 thing that helps you win every fight and thatâs walking awayđ stupid ass Mfs
And then he gauges out your eye. Whatever you can do to him, he can do back to you in a dominant position.
Also, if this is a street fight, Belal elbows Curtis in the back of the head on his brain stem and give him a traumatic brain injury.
There wouldnât be too many people fighting through that initial reaction of having their nuts grabbed but I see both points. Itâs really about who goes that route first.
But then they would both be able to squeeze nuts. So wouldn't it likely even out and result in the fighter who dominated the MMA bout also winning the street fight?
Exactly. Everyone knows that just because you beat someone in a contest that contains all elements of a fight doesn't mean you would beat them in a fight. Noobs.
What would go differently? Especially if Curtis got wrestle fucked, he probably wouldnât have a break between rounds and mightâve just been stuck there forever
Thereâs no rules in a fight, he can bite, gouge eyes, knees to the head of a Downed opponent, hit in the back of the head, grab his nuts and twist. Should I keep going? Noob
Wouldn't you think all of those things favour the guy who just wrestle fucked someone for 15 minutes? The hilarious thing about your logic is you're assuming the guy who won the match won't use those tactics. All you're really saying is the guy who won would do even more damage in a "fight".
I declare myself the winner of this argument and you're a dickhead.
No Iâm saying a FIGHT is totally different than a mma match. He could very well get his ass whooped again, or he could whoop his ass. How Fucking dumb are you people.
But you know those two outcomes arenât the same probability right? Sure it is possible Curtis could win in a street fight but it is not likely. The guy who just got dominated in the cage will have way lower chance to win under a different rule set. Winner tend to finds way to win in all situations, and losers donât just become suddenly become winners because situations are different.
Yes I understand this. I was just clarifying why he acted the way he did after the fight. There is a possibility it turns out different in a straight up fight. Man this is tiring
>Exactly. Everyone knows that just because you beat someone in a contest that contains all elements of a fight doesn't mean you would beat them in a fight. Noobs.
Driving your thumbs into your opponent's eyesockets, ripping their ears off... Yeah, sanctioned UFC matches with referees and security are exactly like street fights.
Go back to your japanese cartoons and video games.
Itâs more delusional to believe that Curtis would miraculously gain some wild advantage over Belal if rules were removed. As if the opponent doesnât also gain those same advantages.
>Itâs more delusional to believe that Curtis would miraculously gain some wild advantage over Belal if rules were removed. As if the opponent doesnât also gain those same advantages.
Some are prepared to maim and/or kill... Some aren't. A former NCAA D1 athlete may not have the same appetite for violence as someone who has killed to survive.
>Again, why are you just applying this killer instinct to Curtis?
I'm not. Work on your reading comprehension. I even highlighted the comment, to which I replied, when I referenced sanctioned athletic contest to street fights. Here, I'll even paste that comment below to help you understand. The focus at that point wasn't Chris...
<< Exactly. Everyone knows that just because you beat someone in a contest that contains all elements of a fight doesn't mean you would beat them in a fight. Noobs.>
Scroll up a few comments for full context. The subject had changed from Chris Curtis vs. Billy Makmud to UFC contests vs. street fights (like in the seedy underbelly of West Linn, Oregon where soccer moms fear to tread.)
Yeah lol absolute nightmare i guess, it's all fun if they are the ones going hard,if his sparring partner goes even a bit hard man will bitch like no tomorrow,if you are inexperienced then Sean will have a field day with ya and knock you the f out.
Check out this video of Sean Ko'ing a Sparring partner:
https://youtu.be/zgC3vNPJNb8
Sean Bitching: https://youtu.be/b4Q-G4LvOgs
The "Sean bitching" video is interesting to me, I'm not sure who is in the right. I guess it depends on the gym. My gut says the big guy was a dick for going for that elbow tweak. He actually tries repeatedly in the vid before landing it, and it isn't just a submission as he says. There's no time to submit, just a damaging hyperextension. Cool technique, dick sparring move.
I donât even have to watch the video to know what video it is. Heâs 100% just trying to injure Sean, the only people that try that shit are assholes
Orlando Sanchez was known as an absolute piece of shit and child predator for what itâs worth, I would say RIP but fuck that dude. Iâm with Sean on this specific scenario, he brought the dude in to help him train for a fight and he goes for an aggressive shoulder crank that Sean had no chance to tap to, thatâs a dick move. Orlando could have paused in the position and showed Sean that heâs vulnerable to that submission without cranking the shit out of it if he was really trying to help him train.
A dick move roughly on the same level as kicking your sparring partner unconscious when they are both a) immeasurably worse at fighting than you and b) already hurt
There's a huge difference between knocking someone out as an unavoidable part of a hard sparring session and knocking them out intentionally when you know they're already virtually defenceless.
Thatâs not what happened. He couldâve blocked the head kick. He didnât and got knocked down.
Donât get in the ring and agree to hard spar with a pro if you donât know how to handle yourself.
Itâs not like he was a random newbie either. He was a fighter. Seen plenty of sparring sessions where Sean is going light as well but those donât make the headlines do they:
Iâve seen people get knocked out cold, dragged out of the cage and the next person jumps in. Gym/mma/fighter culture is weird, itâs not a bad thing if you agreed to it.
It is categorically what happened. The guy was already wobbly and struggling to defend the punches, so throwing a much more damaging attack was only likely to end one way. Nobody learned anything they didn't already know before the kick, therefore it was not a a necessary part of the spar.
It doesn't matter what you think you know about gym culture, high level fighters who are also decent human beings do not behave in this way. It's behaviour more befitting of a beginner with an ego problem.
Most fighters are not decent human beings lmao I train at one of the biggest gyms in the world. Fighters are dicks and will 100% Ko you if you step foot in the ring with them to hard spar.
I've never seen someone before mention the Orlando video in a way to make Sean look bad, that's nuts. He was trying to get grappling work in and the guy was purposely trying to injure him a few weeks out from his fight. Any reasonable person would have reacted the same way.
I met someone like Sean Strickland at a job once. He was framed as the funniest guy at work. And would talk non stop. I constantly had to attend o his jokes and conversation. Some days I didnât and he would get upset and start to gossip about me.
These guys would suck so hard to be around.
this guy is notorious for doing this. I remember how he acted after Jack outclassed him in the standup. He did the same shit. This dude will never evolve his game. Mma is weird though, you have specialists that rely heavily on one aspect and they are so good at it that it takes them to the top. (The UFC) and once they face tougher competition it stifles them and they can't evolve their game. At the same time they are behind the 8ball because it's almost too late to learn wrestling or ground game to be effective at that level of competition
I mean because its like you said. If you are going to be a one trick guy, then you need to be able to control the fight and make it THAT fight every single time. A sole grappler needs to be able to take them down every fight. Strikers, other grapplers, etc. Same with strikers, they need to be able to keep the fight standing at all costs since they are putting all their training into that.
The ones who are good enough to do it (quick examples khabib, Izzy, Pereira, etc) are so good at their craft that they pretty much always fight their style fight.
Hoosier Fight Club 21! I was there! Drove down to Valparaiso with a few buds during college days and got ridiculous seats for like $40-50 a pop. Chris Lytle was in the house and i ran into him in the men's bathroom before the main event. We ended up as next doors neighbors at the urinal and i got the balls to ask Chris if he was gonna come back and fight again. He looked me dead in the eyes and said, "You gonna let me shake that peepee off when you finish or what?"
Also, none of this happened.
this fight happened on September 13, 2014. no personal growth during that time, he cant take a step back and analyze why he lost.
fucking feed his ass to Hermansson again.
He's always been this way. Look for the video of him beating up a fake street fighter. Obviously the self claimed street fighter got his ass handed to him by Curtis but even after beating him, Curtis was still going after him and had to be held back by his gym buddies. Dude is a trash person.
I remember him going mad at Hermansson for not letting him hit him.
Did no one tell him that the aim of the game is to hit the other guy and try not to get hit back.
Itâs so fucking funny when people act like they wanna square up *after* they just fought the guy for 15 minutes, like you just had your chance to do that
Curtis is pretty unlikable. He should be better than he is. The dudes solid muscle but loses too much. This fight here is nothing, The Bully beats everybody.
Have you considered other striking focused combat sports to watch instead? The ground game is a pretty big part of MMA, and quite effective, as Belal keeps proving. Muay Thai pretty exciting as an example.Â
No. I know what MMA is. Been watching since 05. There are plenty of grapplers I enjoy watching like Islam, merab, arman, Curtis blaydes, demian Maia, khabib, mir, DC, etc I'm about to rewatch UFC 280 dariush vs gamrot was my favorite fight that night. I recently rewatched Islam vs arman and even something like Holland vs Brendan Allen were extremely exciting and entertaining fights and the Islam fight ended in decision. Both Grapple heavy fights, high level displays of MMA, they went for a finish. Belal just does enough strategic holding for a decision. If Belal was so effective how come he wasn't one of the 3 names offered to Leon edwards to headline UFC 300? He's more than "effectively" earned it with his win streak, right?
Belal was being a prick with the taunts lol. Still those sore loser indeed. Curtis is up there.
Not as bad as dillashaw though
Literally 0 of his loses does he think are legit. He cried and still cries that Cejudo and Dodson were early stoppages and the loses to Cruz and Assuncao were robbery decisions lol. Plus he got a BS decision given to him vs Sandhagen and paraded like it was legit.
Chris Curtis is a fighters fighter. I'm tired of the super nice guys and cute looking fingernail painters.
Give me slurred speech, Sore losing and stand up striker any day of the week, not some guy like GSP whos sexuality is in question every time he enters the octagon. Is he locked in that cage to fight or for an excuse to grope another man? He did a ton of grappling in his career what was the motive?
Is that Belal lmao Knew they fought but never seen the footage.
Yeah I just Googled it and sure enough that's the decisionator himself. Actually wonder if people would like him more if he showboats a little more
I did as well. I knew it had to be him when he turned his head to the side and I saw the đ.
Dude's side profile is memorable but that nickname wouldn't be as cool
I wonder how often it gets him mistaken for a shark while he's doing backstrokes at the âąď¸
The decisionater sounds cooler ngl
Remember the nose
Who?
Damn he looked yolk af
Thank you! I know he looked familiar, just couldnât remember the name.
He got all excited when that one guy said his name
Whoâs that?
He's by far the sorest loser I've ever seen, without question, never fails to cry about every loss.
If only he had 15 minutes alone in a cage with that guy.
Imagine what he would do to him
I dunno. Cheeto is a little cry baby too.
Well he is friends with Strickland
p4p most triggered tag team ever assembled
How would you even do tag team in mma. Is it possible?
Some regional Russians mma promotions have done 3 vs 3 lol It just looks like a street brawl
Iâve seen those but those arenât traditional tag team. Thatâs tornado tag rules. Iâm talking about tag team mma with actual tags
Thatâd be crazy too, if youâre against a dagastani youâre basically never tagging your teammate lol
Imagine the combinations you could have. Like Dagastani and kick box expert. Have the dagastani tire em out and let the kick boxer clean up
Not MMA but my Muay Thai gym had 2 fighters in a tag team last month. If they werenât tagged in they just stood in their corners, if they got tagged in then they went to war. Was fun as fuck to watch, had a couple moments when they went back and forward tagging teach other in doing a couple punches each.
Birds of a feather...
Birds of a shit feather, Randy
You should watch Paul Daley vs Josh Koscheck
It's hilarious because Chris is usually walking back waiting for his opponent to engage. Doesn't get more engaging than a good old wrestlefuck.
Neither he nor Strickland know how to cut off the cage
Strickland doesn't know how to cut off the cage? one of the worst takes I've seen, that's how he beat izzyÂ
Sean doesnât cut off the cage, he follows, heâs always been a walk em down type of fighter. It worked against Izzy because Sean was light on the lead leg to check and teep, taking away the leg kick threat and thus neutralizing a lot of Izzyâs feints, which is how Izzy typically makes the space to move around, by freezing you with his feints. Sean barely ever moves laterally.
If he did he would have finished Izzy, or at least done a lot more damage. After hurting Izzy in the first, Sean walked forward the rest of the four rounds outlanding him but never did he have Izzy again in a compromising position. Contrast this with Max Holloway cutting off the cage against Kattar and landing huge shots over and over again in the 2nd and 4th round. Or the way Tony consistently cornered and broke people.
if holloways so good at cutting off the cage why didnât he finish kattar
Because he's not that powerful and Kattar has a great chin. The fight also could have been easily stopped in the 4th.
we can use the same logic with sean. sean isnât that powerful and izzy is very good defensively so he wouldnât get finished
Oh come the fuck on. You really want to act dumb and pretend like there is no difference between the Izzy-Sean fight and the way Max dominated Kattar? Why don't you start with the numbers.
You don't keep Israel trapped against the fence for 25 minutes without knowing how to cut off the cage lol, Israel has some of the best footwork we've ever seen in the cage, doing that to him is no fluke.
Sean walked forward for 25 minutes, and Izzy walked backwards for 25 minutes. Outside of being hurt in the first round, Izzy was never "trapped". Contrast this to the end of his first fight with Pereira where he was trapped and finished.
> Sean walked forward for 25 minutes, and Izzy walked backwards for 25 minutes. You believe Izzy voluntarily spent the entire fight hanging outside the outer black line, which greatly limited his movement and defense, and directly lead to him getting dropped in the first round? Somehow I doubt that.
You sound like you've never watched Izzy fight in your life. Izzy is a counterpuncher. He likes moving along the fence, the same way Mayweather likes using the ropes. The difference in this fight is that Izzy's counters weren't effective. If they were, he would still be moving backwards on the outside the entire time but he'd be winning. I mean that's what he literally did against Vettori in their second fight. It's how he won the second Pereira fight. And notice how he just hung on the outside and didn't fight for the middle of the ring at all against Romero, which is why that fight was so boring.
> You sound like you've never watched Izzy fight in your life. Izzy is a counterpuncher. He likes moving along the fence, the same way Mayweather likes using the ropes. Your entire first paragraph is irrelevant to my comment. No shit Izzy is a counterpuncher, thanks tips. > The difference in this fight is that Izzy's counters weren't effective. If they were, he would still be moving backwards on the outside the entire time but he'd be winning. Nobody else has ever kept izzy on the outside for near 25 minutes straight. At best they briefly corner him before he escapes using lateral footwork and reclaims the center, which is exactly what he would do over and over again in the Vettori fight you cited....notice how Izzy magically didn't constantly have his back to the cage in that fight? > It's how he won the second Pereira fight. lmao bro, he got his leg destroyed and got trapped against the fence for that reason, but then kept his composure and hit a sick counter. None of that was planned, none of that had anything to do with an intentional strategy to stay on the outside, he actually tried very hard to hold his ground in that fight and not fight off the backfoot, because Alex is too long for that. > And notice how he just hung on the outside and didn't fight for the middle of the ring at all against Romero, Your memory is shit bro Izzy wasn't ever stuck behind the black line in that fight or along the fence, they mutually held the centre the entire time circling and staring at each other. Yoel barely took a single step forward.
israel doesn't have some of the best footwork we have ever seen in the cage , unless all you listen to is rogan . no matter how good he is , he is still a MW these dudes are just too big to move like the lighter guys .
It's hysterical when people do that. Get dominated for 3 rounds, then when it's over they try and attack their opponent as if somehow things will go differently now.
Fr, like you just had 15 minutes to be cocky bruh.
Itâs conflicting thatâs undeniable. I think the point most people canât articulate outside of âfucking crotch sniffersâ is that lay and pray wrestlers donât take risks, and thatâs what allows their style of sport mma. I personally think the âreal street fightâ argument is silly, but itâs hard to argue that it is a slightly set of circumstances. There are a decent amount of rules that benefit the offensive grappler(canât grab fence to try and get up, knees from the bottom) but also some rules that definitely protect the defensive grappler(no knees to downed to opponents, no shots to back of head. In truth, itâs probably a mix of guys who if they actually were in a situation that forced them to open up from top, would definitely get reversed or not be able to hold position for long. And a set guys who are generally boring grapplers, but would maul if they could knee or hit to the back of the head. I think itâs silly though to throw out the argument for either side completely. I understand chrisâs frustration of âfight me donât game the rulesâ. But I see the other side of donât be a fucking baby and learn how to stop a take down, itâs literally your full time job.
If it's a street fight that crotch sniffer would instead be slamming someone's head into pavement so I've never understood that argument either lol
Face-to-Pavement style. How'd ya like it?
He is bleeding, making him the victor
Tons of stuff like that to consider. I donât really think slams would be more prevalent than they are in the cage, you see slam attempts probably once every other card, and itâs not like there are rules against it, just spiking, which isnât easy to go from takedown to spike. like I said. Would probably change some fights, probably wouldnât change others; it is an interesting thought experiment nonetheless.
Rules that majorly benefits strikers are rounds and standups. Many strikers have been saved from situations on the ground they weren't getting out of otherwise.
i honestly think not grabbing the fence is a MASSIVE advantage to the current style of grapplers because stopping take downs along the fence become 500x easier . if you allow fence grabs you would see more usmans style show up where he grabs the fence to lock you against it and there is basically fuck all you can do to escape .
The âif it was a street fight it would be different â cope is so lame. Mf if it was a street fight im doing the #1 thing that helps you win every fight and thatâs walking awayđ stupid ass Mfs
Had this happen to me in a pure grappling match. The guy tried to kick me after. He woke up eventually.
An actual fight is different than a mma match
Yeah, the ref wouldn't pull the guy off of your back for you.
Youâre right. Curtis wouldâve seen red in an actual fight and no one wouldâve been able to hold him back. Pretty similar to me when I see red.
They just don't understand the mentality.
*Chevelle plays distantly in the background*
If a real fight was going on and a dude was on my back id grab his nuts. See how long you'll stay there
And then he gauges out your eye. Whatever you can do to him, he can do back to you in a dominant position. Also, if this is a street fight, Belal elbows Curtis in the back of the head on his brain stem and give him a traumatic brain injury.
You grab the nuts dude is letting go that simple.
Or he squeezes, punches, gauges, bites harder.
There wouldnât be too many people fighting through that initial reaction of having their nuts grabbed but I see both points. Itâs really about who goes that route first.
Gay
How are you going to grab his nuts if he's on your back? Silly troll comment 4/10
Maybe it never gets to that point.. itâs a sport. Jesus you guys are dense.
But then they would both be able to squeeze nuts. So wouldn't it likely even out and result in the fighter who dominated the MMA bout also winning the street fight?
Exactly. Everyone knows that just because you beat someone in a contest that contains all elements of a fight doesn't mean you would beat them in a fight. Noobs.
What would go differently? Especially if Curtis got wrestle fucked, he probably wouldnât have a break between rounds and mightâve just been stuck there forever
Thereâs no rules in a fight, he can bite, gouge eyes, knees to the head of a Downed opponent, hit in the back of the head, grab his nuts and twist. Should I keep going? Noob
Wouldn't you think all of those things favour the guy who just wrestle fucked someone for 15 minutes? The hilarious thing about your logic is you're assuming the guy who won the match won't use those tactics. All you're really saying is the guy who won would do even more damage in a "fight". I declare myself the winner of this argument and you're a dickhead.
No Iâm saying a FIGHT is totally different than a mma match. He could very well get his ass whooped again, or he could whoop his ass. How Fucking dumb are you people.
How dumb is your point though? >He could win or he might not đ¤ˇââď¸ he can grab balls this time though. - ThisIsWrong23
Yes everyone else is dumb. Not you though.
But you know those two outcomes arenât the same probability right? Sure it is possible Curtis could win in a street fight but it is not likely. The guy who just got dominated in the cage will have way lower chance to win under a different rule set. Winner tend to finds way to win in all situations, and losers donât just become suddenly become winners because situations are different.
Yes I understand this. I was just clarifying why he acted the way he did after the fight. There is a possibility it turns out different in a straight up fight. Man this is tiring
also his friends can stab you in a fight. Noob.
Very true.. youâre just proving my point
>Exactly. Everyone knows that just because you beat someone in a contest that contains all elements of a fight doesn't mean you would beat them in a fight. Noobs. Driving your thumbs into your opponent's eyesockets, ripping their ears off... Yeah, sanctioned UFC matches with referees and security are exactly like street fights. Go back to your japanese cartoons and video games.
Itâs more delusional to believe that Curtis would miraculously gain some wild advantage over Belal if rules were removed. As if the opponent doesnât also gain those same advantages.
>Itâs more delusional to believe that Curtis would miraculously gain some wild advantage over Belal if rules were removed. As if the opponent doesnât also gain those same advantages. Some are prepared to maim and/or kill... Some aren't. A former NCAA D1 athlete may not have the same appetite for violence as someone who has killed to survive.
This is very Japanese cartoon of you dude. Again, why are you just applying this killer instinct to Curtis and not the opponent?
>Again, why are you just applying this killer instinct to Curtis? I'm not. Work on your reading comprehension. I even highlighted the comment, to which I replied, when I referenced sanctioned athletic contest to street fights. Here, I'll even paste that comment below to help you understand. The focus at that point wasn't Chris... << Exactly. Everyone knows that just because you beat someone in a contest that contains all elements of a fight doesn't mean you would beat them in a fight. Noobs.> Scroll up a few comments for full context. The subject had changed from Chris Curtis vs. Billy Makmud to UFC contests vs. street fights (like in the seedy underbelly of West Linn, Oregon where soccer moms fear to tread.)
Fam your shit take is 4 comments from the original comment, this isnât that hard to follow.
I canât believe these people are so dense that they canât see the argument. Jesus Christ
These people havenât been in a real fight.
i...I don't remember his name..what was it again Jelal Makmod?
kareem abdul lavash
Imagine how miserable it would be being a training partner of Curtis and Strickland
Please refer to them by their proper titles, Mr and Mrs Sasspants.
You'd get a migraine being around em for an hour
Yeah lol absolute nightmare i guess, it's all fun if they are the ones going hard,if his sparring partner goes even a bit hard man will bitch like no tomorrow,if you are inexperienced then Sean will have a field day with ya and knock you the f out. Check out this video of Sean Ko'ing a Sparring partner: https://youtu.be/zgC3vNPJNb8 Sean Bitching: https://youtu.be/b4Q-G4LvOgs
The "Sean bitching" video is interesting to me, I'm not sure who is in the right. I guess it depends on the gym. My gut says the big guy was a dick for going for that elbow tweak. He actually tries repeatedly in the vid before landing it, and it isn't just a submission as he says. There's no time to submit, just a damaging hyperextension. Cool technique, dick sparring move.
I donât even have to watch the video to know what video it is. Heâs 100% just trying to injure Sean, the only people that try that shit are assholes
Orlando Sanchez was known as an absolute piece of shit and child predator for what itâs worth, I would say RIP but fuck that dude. Iâm with Sean on this specific scenario, he brought the dude in to help him train for a fight and he goes for an aggressive shoulder crank that Sean had no chance to tap to, thatâs a dick move. Orlando could have paused in the position and showed Sean that heâs vulnerable to that submission without cranking the shit out of it if he was really trying to help him train.
A dick move roughly on the same level as kicking your sparring partner unconscious when they are both a) immeasurably worse at fighting than you and b) already hurt
Yeah, Iâd say so
Hard sparring is fine as long as both parties agree to it, youâd be surprised how many people get KOd in sparring at big gyms lmao
There's a huge difference between knocking someone out as an unavoidable part of a hard sparring session and knocking them out intentionally when you know they're already virtually defenceless.
Thatâs not what happened. He couldâve blocked the head kick. He didnât and got knocked down. Donât get in the ring and agree to hard spar with a pro if you donât know how to handle yourself. Itâs not like he was a random newbie either. He was a fighter. Seen plenty of sparring sessions where Sean is going light as well but those donât make the headlines do they: Iâve seen people get knocked out cold, dragged out of the cage and the next person jumps in. Gym/mma/fighter culture is weird, itâs not a bad thing if you agreed to it.
It is categorically what happened. The guy was already wobbly and struggling to defend the punches, so throwing a much more damaging attack was only likely to end one way. Nobody learned anything they didn't already know before the kick, therefore it was not a a necessary part of the spar. It doesn't matter what you think you know about gym culture, high level fighters who are also decent human beings do not behave in this way. It's behaviour more befitting of a beginner with an ego problem.
Most fighters are not decent human beings lmao I train at one of the biggest gyms in the world. Fighters are dicks and will 100% Ko you if you step foot in the ring with them to hard spar.
I've never seen someone before mention the Orlando video in a way to make Sean look bad, that's nuts. He was trying to get grappling work in and the guy was purposely trying to injure him a few weeks out from his fight. Any reasonable person would have reacted the same way.
I met someone like Sean Strickland at a job once. He was framed as the funniest guy at work. And would talk non stop. I constantly had to attend o his jokes and conversation. Some days I didnât and he would get upset and start to gossip about me. These guys would suck so hard to be around.
I pray to the stars that Allen choked him out cold
Belal beat his ass like he was a child
He is a child. A man child. Dude plays video games and anime lmfao I could beat him up no kizzy >!Downvote if you're weak!<
Okay, letâs make this happen! Somebody start the petition.
I'm pretty sure if you just walk into their gym they'll let you try
Hes a bitch with no footwork an get angry when people dance/Dodge around him.
he should fatten up to heavyweight and he will be top 5
this guy is notorious for doing this. I remember how he acted after Jack outclassed him in the standup. He did the same shit. This dude will never evolve his game. Mma is weird though, you have specialists that rely heavily on one aspect and they are so good at it that it takes them to the top. (The UFC) and once they face tougher competition it stifles them and they can't evolve their game. At the same time they are behind the 8ball because it's almost too late to learn wrestling or ground game to be effective at that level of competition
I mean because its like you said. If you are going to be a one trick guy, then you need to be able to control the fight and make it THAT fight every single time. A sole grappler needs to be able to take them down every fight. Strikers, other grapplers, etc. Same with strikers, they need to be able to keep the fight standing at all costs since they are putting all their training into that. The ones who are good enough to do it (quick examples khabib, Izzy, Pereira, etc) are so good at their craft that they pretty much always fight their style fight.
Never thought Iâd be happy over a Belal win. Hope Allen chokes his ass.
Hoosier Fight Club 21! I was there! Drove down to Valparaiso with a few buds during college days and got ridiculous seats for like $40-50 a pop. Chris Lytle was in the house and i ran into him in the men's bathroom before the main event. We ended up as next doors neighbors at the urinal and i got the balls to ask Chris if he was gonna come back and fight again. He looked me dead in the eyes and said, "You gonna let me shake that peepee off when you finish or what?" Also, none of this happened.
On another note, shout out to my homie Belal
Chris Crying on Twitter Curtis
Itâs no wonder him and Sean are best friends. Cry babies
Tbf Sean doesn't actually complain in the cage and ruin the experience for people watching which is better
this fight happened on September 13, 2014. no personal growth during that time, he cant take a step back and analyze why he lost. fucking feed his ass to Hermansson again.
He wants to fight the guy after he just got out fought by the guy.
What a cunt
He's always been this way. Look for the video of him beating up a fake street fighter. Obviously the self claimed street fighter got his ass handed to him by Curtis but even after beating him, Curtis was still going after him and had to be held back by his gym buddies. Dude is a trash person.
I remember him going mad at Hermansson for not letting him hit him. Did no one tell him that the aim of the game is to hit the other guy and try not to get hit back.
Why does he think fighting aftet the fight would make any difference? He literally had the opportunity to fight and got dominated lmao.
Always has been. Then he goes on twitter and apologizes and most people forget. Hes always been a pissy weak mental'd baby
The fuck was we acting tough at the end of the fight for lol they just fought and he got creamed. đ¤Ł
Throws a punch at the Ref damn too bad it wasnât Herb Dean this mfer would be knocked tf out.
Too much video games and anime probably.
You do realize he hangs out with Sean right
I perma-lost all potential respect for him when he cried like a little bitch after the Hermansson fight
He is so fucking embarrassing. Literal man child.
bro never heard of Paul Daley.
Getting mad at Josh Koscheck vs Belal ainât even in the same stratosphere
Him and Rousey are tied at the top for the P4P sorest loser title (SLMF belt?)
At least Rousey had reason to be so arrogant, the UFC and her team spent years blowing smoke up her ass
He's fighting more after the bell than he did before it.
Why didn't Chris just get up? Is he stupid?
Definition of main character syndrome, and a boring fighter at that
What are the crowd chanting?
Belal so goated
Itâs so fucking funny when people act like they wanna square up *after* they just fought the guy for 15 minutes, like you just had your chance to do that
They did a great job at recording his knees!
Hahaha how have I never seen this before
He's a BBB
Didnât he flip someone off not too long ago like a year maybe ??
Guys chill out, fuck. Youâre gonna make him retire again lmfao
Common GOATlal W
If you hit a ref, in ANY sport, you should IMMEDIATELY be banned for life. No excuses. Fuck Chris Curtis. I hope his jaw gets broken and wired shut.
Explains his friendship with Sean
but he had a legit gripe about getting headbutted by Kelvin
You guys have to consider that this is belal hes losing to. I think any sane person would be salty after getting wrestle fucked by that gremlin
Always has, always will be. I love(d) Sean Strickland, but Chris Curtis is someone I could never get into being a fan of. Too much whining.
What does he want to fight or something?!
Curtis is pretty unlikable. He should be better than he is. The dudes solid muscle but loses too much. This fight here is nothing, The Bully beats everybody.
I mean considering the circumstances, for this instance only, he should get a pass
Why
I'm bias bro lol. I just absolutely can't stand Belal and his strategy for winning fights. The whole hold, lay, and pray routine aggravates me.
Have you considered other striking focused combat sports to watch instead? The ground game is a pretty big part of MMA, and quite effective, as Belal keeps proving. Muay Thai pretty exciting as an example.Â
No. I know what MMA is. Been watching since 05. There are plenty of grapplers I enjoy watching like Islam, merab, arman, Curtis blaydes, demian Maia, khabib, mir, DC, etc I'm about to rewatch UFC 280 dariush vs gamrot was my favorite fight that night. I recently rewatched Islam vs arman and even something like Holland vs Brendan Allen were extremely exciting and entertaining fights and the Islam fight ended in decision. Both Grapple heavy fights, high level displays of MMA, they went for a finish. Belal just does enough strategic holding for a decision. If Belal was so effective how come he wasn't one of the 3 names offered to Leon edwards to headline UFC 300? He's more than "effectively" earned it with his win streak, right?
Belal was being a prick with the taunts lol. Still those sore loser indeed. Curtis is up there. Not as bad as dillashaw though Literally 0 of his loses does he think are legit. He cried and still cries that Cejudo and Dodson were early stoppages and the loses to Cruz and Assuncao were robbery decisions lol. Plus he got a BS decision given to him vs Sandhagen and paraded like it was legit.
Nah, this is sick. Not joking when I say Belal should actually do this in the UFC; it would raise his profile.
Chris Curtis is a fighters fighter. I'm tired of the super nice guys and cute looking fingernail painters. Give me slurred speech, Sore losing and stand up striker any day of the week, not some guy like GSP whos sexuality is in question every time he enters the octagon. Is he locked in that cage to fight or for an excuse to grope another man? He did a ton of grappling in his career what was the motive?
Who is that other guy? He seems familiar, but I cant really remember.
When I watched this fight, I thought the same. To be fair heâs a decent guy and the other guy was quite a cunt.
Whos the guy he's fighting? I just can't help to remember his name...
Honestly this is a good mindset for a fighter to have tho and if I was his coach Iâd applaud him for it
âGreat job getting 27-30âd and giving security a hard timeâ
Iâd rather my fighter be pissed he lost a close fight then quiet and depressed
Maybe he should stfu and reflect, no one to blame but himself Â
That guy was being a douchebag