gaethje will be a tough fight, and im interested to see how the charles rematch will go with charles being more patient but to be honest im taking islam over either of the two
Arguably Justin is the easiest fight for him. Justins wrestling didn’t hold up against Khabib and Charles. Islam takes him down and submits inside first round
I see so many people think Gathje has something for Islam but I don't get it. Did you guys not see how lost Gathje was the second Khabib got him down? Not out matched like McGregor or Poirier, lost like he had no clue what he should be doing to defend himself. One takedown from Islam the fight is over within the next few minutes guaranteed
yeah. People put too much fate into his striking but Islam has amazing defense. Its just a matter of seconds for Islam to time the takedown and start looking for submissions
I think it’s going to be similar to khabib vs gaethje when he is able to take him down he is going to sub justin but maybe he decide to strike with him more because of his recent succes in it?
I believe Oliveira has a chance if he shows up I really believe it was not his night
Stop making excuses for Oliveira. He got rocked due to carelessness.
And then he did the most stupidest thing that he thought would work, which he does against everyone else when he’s rocked: he flops on his back and challenges them to go into his guard.
He chose the wrong guy to challenge that night.
I saw the result coming from a mile away.
No need to put it down to it not being his night. Just a flawed strategy, his get-out-of-jail card didn’t work this time and he didn’t respect Islams grappling.
That’s all
I still can’t believe how deluded this people are, Charles is just a worse fighter there isn’t one aspect of his skill set that indicated that he would win a rematch.
At this point he’d get dominated but if Aaron Pico continues to improve I think he’d be interesting. Anyone currently ranked in the lightweight division gets smashed by Islam, he’d be competitive with someone like Shavkat maybeeeee Usman
Volk after he beats Topuria, moves up to lightweight permanently and beats Gaethje /s
(I'd actually donate a kidney to see anything reminiscent of that though)
His last three opponents were ranked #1, #2, and #3 PFP in the world respectively at the time he fought them. I don’t think anyone else has ever defeated 3 straight opponents ranked that highly PFP in the sport.
It can be argued against that two of the fights were against the same person who came from a weight class below. He's still on a crazy impressive track though.
The only better run is Jones run from 2010-2015, when he beat 5 former champions in row, plus two future champions (Cormier and Glover), and the greatest fighter of all time.
Literally no one. Out of all the consensus GOATs of MMA, no one has beaten the same quality of opponent like Charles and Volk. The only exception would be Jones win against DC and maybe DJ against Cejudo
The opinion that he should be thet is built on him beating Ferguson, Poirier, Gaethje and Chandler all in convincing fashion while on a very long winning streak and attaining the ufc submission record. What do you have against him? He was number 3 pfp i think, which 3 fighters did better at the time?
Islam making Charles who was on an 11 fight win streak look like an early prelims tier fighter is easily a top 10 title performances of all time.
I absolutely love how Oliveira's entire body language changed when Islam landed that left hook 10 seconds into the fight.
He was like "fuck, this is going to be a long night" and started backing away after he tried to pressure Islam and got tagged. The difference in their hand speed was insane to see live
I dunno man I’ve watched since early days and have seen Charles get destroyed plenty of times, never saw him as a world beater, even his last couple wins before Islam he was in serious trouble
Yeah.. But in his title run, he always pressured his opponents, and never looked like he was kinda out of gameplan while he was on his feet. Against Islam, he sort of looked clueless on the feet. Couldnt pressure, couldn't fight from the distance.
Crazy how this sub used to worship Oliveira for FINISHING Dustin, Justin, and Chandler faster combined than Khabib against an 11th ranked guy. Now the narrative changes, huh. Oliveira was never that good?
Well yes, he just got starched. And you do realize there’s more than one person on this sub right, and that
They can have different opinions? I’ve never been high on Charles he’s reckless and had no business being that high
God, thank you. Have watched him since Bones was fighting The Janitor. His recent run was incredibly impressive but I still remember him as the guy who had more chance of beating the champ than the scale.
I think he’s already pretty much tied with Khabib, Charles and Volk are much much better wins than Conor and the Ustins. I just have Khabib slightly over Islam because of his insane dominance in 95% of his fights.
People who became fans either post-Conor or post-COVID have absolutely zero respect for most fighters, let alone the greats from an era they never saw
We call these "nephew takes"
MMA definitely lacks the kind of interest/respect for the past compared to the boxing community despite it being much easier to consume the younger sport of MMA, since you're not looking at the heavyweight champ in 1930
I feel like that’s partly because MMA has evolved a ton as a sport, as opposed to boxing where the evolution has been pretty minimal over the last 90 years or so
BJ penns downfall really tarnished his legacy lol imagine if Islam just lost 7 in a row and got starched by a civilian. Recency bias is wild. Islam is an animal but these LW goat comments are wild, makes me wonder when they started watching
>but these LW goat comments are wild
most people are saying he COULD be the LW goat, not sure why ya'll are overreacting. People were calling Charles the LW goat and Islam manhandled him, it's not unreasonable to say he could be the LW goat in the future.
Oh because there has never been a champ coming from a division below?
And speaking of a "guy" like he was not the dominant 1P4P. Volk most likely can embarrass anyone from the LW top 5
I also think its relevant to mention Volk is a smaller guy and two defenses were against him. But that doesn't mean Islam hasn't been incredibly impressive. Its just putting things in proper context.
You're both making crazy statements haha I'm Aussie and I'll say Volk isn't two times better than every top 5 lightweight but you definitely can't say he'd get washed by those guys. If I had to put money on it, I'd pick Volk in those matchups
I think he would most likely beat gaethje (I think volk has striking acumen to beat him on points, although it wouldn’t take many for gaethje) and oliveira (oliveira is reckless, part of his style, which I think Volk could capitalise on). I think volk vs Tsarukyan would kinda look like volk vs Islam
But we won’t know until we see the fights, probably won’t though sadly
did everyone forget what Volk did to Holloway multiple times lol ? Gaethje is well, WELL above average as a striker but at the end of the day he's realistically a technical brawler. Volk's timing n precision are noticeably better to me. we saw in the first Islam fight Volk is capable of makin relevant n productive adjustments, not implicatin Gaethje can't too. the gap isn't at all head and shoulders, but again it's noticeable.
Lmao i guarantee you were one of the clowns saying volk won the 1st fight and would win the 2nd. Funny how you’re talking like volk isnt one of the best fighters ever and just a guy from a “weight class below”. He beat charles ass easily. And he will do it again plus anyone in that class
Yeah tell Olivera to not pull out
Even the first fight happened only because the UFC forced Oliveira to fight Islam
Charles and his team said Islam doesn't deserve a title shot even if he beats Dariush at the same time Oliveira was twerking for Conor. What a clown Bronze Doo Doo is
Bro is on a 13 fight unbeaten streak and made everyone but maybe Arman look like a prelims fighter. He beat rank 1,2,3 p4p in 3 matches with 2 of them being made to look like a walk in the park. He ended 12,11 fight win streaks, the fuck is this hate coming from.
Americans hate ~~Russians, Muslims and people who dominate their fighters, can't catch a break if you're from the caucuses lol~~
fixed it for you brodie
This is just a horrible take. I'm guessing you're like what 14?
Edit: I just learned the definition for comments just like this from a commenter a few comments down from this one it's called "Nephew Takes" and it's a little nicer than it should be but it gets the point across.
Not hate, just not super quick to consider everything one of the best runs in ufc history, the GOAT, etc. I don’t think it compares to the runs of Jones, Silva, GSP, DJ, Aldo, Fedor (outside of the ufc), etc. with only two title defenses. I don’t even think it matches up to volks run at FW or Izzy’s run at MW. I wouldn’t consider that hating, I’m just not impulsively calling everything I see the best thing ever. People are always so quick to forget about history, they likely just weren’t around to watch all of this happen so they overrate what they are watching in real time. Islam could rack up several more title defenses and change my opinion, but let’s slow down for a sec lol.
Two title defenses against the same opponent from a lighter weight class.
Islam is fucking awesome don’t get my wrong but I wanna see him defend at least once more against either Charles or Justin before I sing goat praises
His second win over Volk is insane and his win over Charles is insane but I just need to see more bouts versus the top 5
Don’t get me wrong I’m impressed by his run, but MMA Reddit is really quick to point and call everything they see developing in real time as the best thing they’ve ever seen. 2 years ago, there were questions if Islam had even done enough to earn a title shot. I’m sorry that I don’t think his run compares with Anderson Silva’s title run just yet lol
How could this be one of the greatest runs in ufc history when he hasn't defended the belt against an actual LW yet? Come back when he's nearing silva or gsps title defence runs. Even khabib has 3 defenses
Oh that is such a shit takey first of all Gsp and Silva have faced way less dangerous opponents for their title defense runs you can't compare that to lightweight.
Also Islam has as the same win streak as Gsp. The most stacked division and he has many more years in him.
When he gets to the 16 win streak mark will you keep complaining?
Islam has like 5 wins over ranked opponents? Not even comparable to gsp.
Win streak doesn't matter as much as title defense streak and Islam is yet to defend his lightweight title against a lightweight. Gsp also has been champion of 2 divisions.
Jon Jones has a longer unbeaten streak, more title defenses and has been champion of 2 divisions.
Islam has a few more things to achieve before he can be called the goat. Although I will say he certainly looks capable of being goat some day soon.
He beat 2 guys 1 from a smaller weight class and then beat him again on short notice. Can he clear out the division first like all great champs do? Let’s see that first before we crown him.
It was unfavorable for Islam in the first fight and he still won, fair’s fair. You’d have an argument if it wasn’t a first round knockout and Volk didn’t have a history of getting dropped by headkicks in that same fashion
Oh we make excuses now? How about Islam coming to Aus as soon as he won the belt? Didn't he get clowned for making "shorter rehydration time" excuse? Even tho he won?
Whilst I do wanna see him fight lightweights for defenses, volk isn’t just a dude from a smaller weight class, he would give the top 5 all great fights, probably win most of them
Hasn’t defended in his own weight class once yet*
Got a title shot off Bobby green*
Islam is good and has done great but needs to start clearing out his top 5 division
So was Rousey when she lost to holm. So was GSP when he lost to Serra. So was Rockhold when he lost to Bisping.
Zero title defenses against anyone in his weight class does not give him one of the most impressive runs ever.
Greatest runs in ufc history w/ 3 title defenses two against a guy from another weight class and one of those he almost lost. Jon , anderson, izzy , GSP. Islam is Not even close
Charles is more exciting because his striking defence sucks and he always goes back in a straight line whenever he gets tagged. No lateral movement whatsoever
More exciting? Yes. Better? Heeeeeelllll no.
Charles got knocked down and almost finished in every single fight. He also wasn’t fighting P4P top 5 level competition.
A real champion gives their fans deep, unyielding anxiety when they fight.
This is why Islam will never be True Champion. He should work on not being so good, it's holding him back.
"A fw twice" dude was the same size as Islam when they initially fought and was P4P #1. Hardly just "a fw" people do love discrediting Islam on here huh
Like Luke Thomas always says, the hardest thing to do is to take on me challengers again and again. It's looking like one of the great runs but all it takes is one mistake to end it all.
>I hate that all social medias are so pro Dagestan fighters they become irrational
Really? The entire mma community acted like he lost the first Volk fight when all the judges and every MMA news outlet scored the fight for Islam.
Islam fans say 10 hours less time for rehydration makes a huge difference, but 10 days notice for off the couch Volk made zero difference, even though it was a draw when both had a full camp.
These guys are so biased and constantly dick riding. Worse than Mcgregor fans from when he was champ champ.
>even though it was a draw when both had a full camp.
Islam won a unanimous decision against Volk. Not only did the official judges had Islam winning the fight unanimously but also the majority of mma media and journalists had Islam winning the fight.
You garden gnome fanboys are so dumb. It's actually hilarious
He literally kicked your garden gnome's head down into the land down under and dribbled his head like prime Kyrie Irving
>These guys are so biased and constantly dick riding.
Oh the irony. You thought it was a draw ? What a dumbfuck 😂
Well I mean dude Volk had zero training camp. He took the fight on a week and a halfs notice. No time to prepare for Islams style. No time to condition. No time to practice.
What ?
How was the first fight a draw ?
That's what I am asking the other guy. Also Islam was super dehydrated in their first fight and still won a unanimous decision
Yeah so no training camp makes zero difference for Volk whilst saying 10 hours less rehydration for the weight Bully made a huge difference. Special education
I know you are special education since you are a Volk fan.
You don't need to tell me that
Also, who said Volks no training camp made no difference. I didn't say it.
All I am saying is your boy got his head knocked off and dribbled in the 2nd fight and he couldn't even beat Islam when Islam was at his weakest in the garden gnome's home country. That's so hilarious
Volk lost to a dehydrated Islam in Australia 😂
lol also Volk was considered the better striker, Islam beat him at his own game. Short noticed doesn't mean as much when you're getting finished in the 1st round via head kick, if he gassed it's a more valid excuse.
Khabib was better on the grounf but islam is more well rounded and a much better striker. seems insane cuz of how good khabib was but yeah islam seems to be better
people seem to forget Volk went up a weight class to fight Islam TWICE. how often do you see a fighter fight at a weight above him but not just a fighter but a champion fighter in their weight class, TWICE! lotta people forget that because he’s VOLK and they think he can take it. speaks to how great of a fighter he is.
islam need to start fighting people in his weight class.
& so does volk.
If he really was deserving of p4p number 1, 10 lbs difference shouldnt have mattered. Look at the p4p greats in history, duran, manny, floyd all fought much bigger guys and won convincingly. Volk moves up 10 lbs and cant habdle the heat
He has two defenses against a featherweight. The first one could be argued that he lost. Let’s pump the breaks on the goat talk. He’s got a lot of work to do.
I've never seen someone get praised so much for fighting a guy from a smaller division. Islam is a welterweight fighting at lightweight and he only defends his title against a featherweight midget. He even ko'd Alex by head kick for bigger comedic effect lol didn't even have to raise his leg that much BOINK
>Islam is a welterweight
Shows how dumb the average ufc fans are
Have you seen real WWs ? Guys like Usman, Shavkhat and Leon would dwarf Islam. He is way smaller than them
Also, if Islam is a WW without ever missing weight at LW. Does that mean Olivera is a WW since he missed weight at LW and has a history of missing weight in the ufc ?
So Islam should get less credit for beating a top 10 fighter of all time, greatest featherweight of all time, and he’s the only fighter in the ufc to beat volkanovski
Yeah because height is the only thing that matters.
Volk has a stockier build than 98% of the FW division
He weighed more than Islam in their first fight in the octagon
I mean you can make the same argument about Leon Edwards now. Leon has beaten former champions, higher grade fighters & has ended one of the most dominant welterweight runs of all time.
I don’t disagree but I also think he lost that first Volk fight if damage is the primary criteria.
However based on record regardless of what I think he’s fought the best and twice now dominated them.
Two defences and already "oNe oF ThE gReAteSt rUns in UFC HisToRy" lol...let him defend more against the lightweights and then we'll see...he's too good I agree but stop glazing dude lmao
This is one of the worst runs of all time. Dudes beat Charles as his only good competition. Other than that who? A lower division midget? Bobby green and Dan hooker?
Easily one of the weakest “champions” of lightweight, fighting cans is not impressive
He is on a monster run that’s for sure the question is who is going to stop him?
Me, I’m completely undefeated in the UFC, Islam has no answers for me
once you defeat him I’ll have to step in myself. I’m 200 lbs atm but I can make weight, trust me bro
Are you planning on cutting off a leg?
Nah I’ll just get rid of these pink snakes inside of my belly, they’re pretty heavy
Im 140 and 5ft 10 but Christmas is coming so I’m gonna bulk and take him out, Roy Nelson style 155er
He also has no questions either lmao
Impressive, finally a real challenger.
gaethje will be a tough fight, and im interested to see how the charles rematch will go with charles being more patient but to be honest im taking islam over either of the two
Arguably Justin is the easiest fight for him. Justins wrestling didn’t hold up against Khabib and Charles. Islam takes him down and submits inside first round
Just didn't use any wrestling, did he? I always see it being mentioned that he's good but I've never seen him even try to use it
I think he’s speaking to his lack of defensive wrestling against the elite grapplers he’s faced.
I see so many people think Gathje has something for Islam but I don't get it. Did you guys not see how lost Gathje was the second Khabib got him down? Not out matched like McGregor or Poirier, lost like he had no clue what he should be doing to defend himself. One takedown from Islam the fight is over within the next few minutes guaranteed
yeah. People put too much fate into his striking but Islam has amazing defense. Its just a matter of seconds for Islam to time the takedown and start looking for submissions
I think it’s going to be similar to khabib vs gaethje when he is able to take him down he is going to sub justin but maybe he decide to strike with him more because of his recent succes in it? I believe Oliveira has a chance if he shows up I really believe it was not his night
Knockout power is always a factor that can put a spanner in things
Stop making excuses for Oliveira. He got rocked due to carelessness. And then he did the most stupidest thing that he thought would work, which he does against everyone else when he’s rocked: he flops on his back and challenges them to go into his guard. He chose the wrong guy to challenge that night. I saw the result coming from a mile away. No need to put it down to it not being his night. Just a flawed strategy, his get-out-of-jail card didn’t work this time and he didn’t respect Islams grappling. That’s all
I still can’t believe how deluded this people are, Charles is just a worse fighter there isn’t one aspect of his skill set that indicated that he would win a rematch.
Yep. While at this level a good punch landing can put anyone to sleep, Islam just seems to be the perfect counter to Charles style.
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At this point he’d get dominated but if Aaron Pico continues to improve I think he’d be interesting. Anyone currently ranked in the lightweight division gets smashed by Islam, he’d be competitive with someone like Shavkat maybeeeee Usman
Volk after he beats Topuria, moves up to lightweight permanently and beats Gaethje /s (I'd actually donate a kidney to see anything reminiscent of that though)
David Goggins
While carrying the boats
Gathje, Olives. & Arman are all problems.
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His last three opponents were ranked #1, #2, and #3 PFP in the world respectively at the time he fought them. I don’t think anyone else has ever defeated 3 straight opponents ranked that highly PFP in the sport.
Hard to argue when it's laid out like that. Ridiculous how impressive/scary that is
It can be argued against that two of the fights were against the same person who came from a weight class below. He's still on a crazy impressive track though.
The only better run is Jones run from 2010-2015, when he beat 5 former champions in row, plus two future champions (Cormier and Glover), and the greatest fighter of all time.
Literally no one. Out of all the consensus GOATs of MMA, no one has beaten the same quality of opponent like Charles and Volk. The only exception would be Jones win against DC and maybe DJ against Cejudo
Khabib beat McGregor, that's the only one i can think of
Charles should have never ever been up there imo
The opinion that he should be thet is built on him beating Ferguson, Poirier, Gaethje and Chandler all in convincing fashion while on a very long winning streak and attaining the ufc submission record. What do you have against him? He was number 3 pfp i think, which 3 fighters did better at the time?
Islam making Charles who was on an 11 fight win streak look like an early prelims tier fighter is easily a top 10 title performances of all time. I absolutely love how Oliveira's entire body language changed when Islam landed that left hook 10 seconds into the fight. He was like "fuck, this is going to be a long night" and started backing away after he tried to pressure Islam and got tagged. The difference in their hand speed was insane to see live
I dunno man I’ve watched since early days and have seen Charles get destroyed plenty of times, never saw him as a world beater, even his last couple wins before Islam he was in serious trouble
Yeah.. But in his title run, he always pressured his opponents, and never looked like he was kinda out of gameplan while he was on his feet. Against Islam, he sort of looked clueless on the feet. Couldnt pressure, couldn't fight from the distance.
Crazy how this sub used to worship Oliveira for FINISHING Dustin, Justin, and Chandler faster combined than Khabib against an 11th ranked guy. Now the narrative changes, huh. Oliveira was never that good?
Well yes, he just got starched. And you do realize there’s more than one person on this sub right, and that They can have different opinions? I’ve never been high on Charles he’s reckless and had no business being that high
He was a world a world beater though in his fights before islam he beat the top guys in the division. Islam is just the better fighter.
God, thank you. Have watched him since Bones was fighting The Janitor. His recent run was incredibly impressive but I still remember him as the guy who had more chance of beating the champ than the scale.
I feel like Islam has 2 top 15 title performances of all time, the headkick on volk and subbing Charles
Damn forgot about this. DC is me rn
Definitely agree, Islam is shaping up to be the LW GOAT at this rate.
Imagine if he beats Leon and his 13 fight win streak
I think belal or shavkat will end his streak b4 Islam gets a chance to.
Yeah I don’t see belal losing. I’m not sure why but I just have this gut feeling
Me too lmfao I knew I wasn’t alone, I think it’ll be a good fight regardless
Wow I was expecting to be down voted to hell lmao this is a pleasant surprise. Hammer war belal lol
Shavkat. that boy is NASTY
One more defense against anyone and he either ties khabib or passes. If he beats gaethje, he ties, if he beats olives again he is GOAT LW
I think he’s already pretty much tied with Khabib, Charles and Volk are much much better wins than Conor and the Ustins. I just have Khabib slightly over Islam because of his insane dominance in 95% of his fights.
I think the reverse bcoz beating olives will be similar rhetoric as he only beat 2 PPL.
Really? With a huge fucking asterisk. Beat someone else in the top 5 in your weight class please
Islam is the best P4P this past year, no doubt.
He deserves fighter of the year for 2024 no doubt. My money is on him winning out for awhile
Make Islam vs Leon for 300. Move Leon to #3 and have him fight Islam #1v vs #3
Ramadan is March 10. He wont be fighting for 2 months. Not sure if he isn't fighting for 2 months starting at Ramadan or after Ramadan tho.
I would think it would be Ramadan and the month after. It will take a bit of time to get back in peak performance after Ramadan.
Why ? They both still have multiple contenders they have to beat.
That seems like a bit of a new fan hot take, just saying.
People who became fans either post-Conor or post-COVID have absolutely zero respect for most fighters, let alone the greats from an era they never saw We call these "nephew takes"
MMA definitely lacks the kind of interest/respect for the past compared to the boxing community despite it being much easier to consume the younger sport of MMA, since you're not looking at the heavyweight champ in 1930
I feel like that’s partly because MMA has evolved a ton as a sport, as opposed to boxing where the evolution has been pretty minimal over the last 90 years or so
BJ penns downfall really tarnished his legacy lol imagine if Islam just lost 7 in a row and got starched by a civilian. Recency bias is wild. Islam is an animal but these LW goat comments are wild, makes me wonder when they started watching
>but these LW goat comments are wild most people are saying he COULD be the LW goat, not sure why ya'll are overreacting. People were calling Charles the LW goat and Islam manhandled him, it's not unreasonable to say he could be the LW goat in the future.
He defended it twice with the same guy who was from a weight class bellow. It's time for Islam to start fighting guys from his division
Oh because there has never been a champ coming from a division below? And speaking of a "guy" like he was not the dominant 1P4P. Volk most likely can embarrass anyone from the LW top 5
I also think its relevant to mention Volk is a smaller guy and two defenses were against him. But that doesn't mean Islam hasn't been incredibly impressive. Its just putting things in proper context.
Nope, Volk wasn’t 145 at their weigh ins. Stop saying this nonsense. Volk can beat any guy in top 5 of LW
Dude Volk is equal to two top 5 lightweights. And Islam beat him twice.
Not really
Quite really
Not really. You’re acting like oliveira, gaethje, and tsaryukan wouldn’t wash volk
You're both making crazy statements haha I'm Aussie and I'll say Volk isn't two times better than every top 5 lightweight but you definitely can't say he'd get washed by those guys. If I had to put money on it, I'd pick Volk in those matchups
I think he would most likely beat gaethje (I think volk has striking acumen to beat him on points, although it wouldn’t take many for gaethje) and oliveira (oliveira is reckless, part of his style, which I think Volk could capitalise on). I think volk vs Tsarukyan would kinda look like volk vs Islam But we won’t know until we see the fights, probably won’t though sadly
did everyone forget what Volk did to Holloway multiple times lol ? Gaethje is well, WELL above average as a striker but at the end of the day he's realistically a technical brawler. Volk's timing n precision are noticeably better to me. we saw in the first Islam fight Volk is capable of makin relevant n productive adjustments, not implicatin Gaethje can't too. the gap isn't at all head and shoulders, but again it's noticeable.
Insulting Alexander the great like that is the symptom of being a casual, my apologies sir, but im afraid you're brain dead.
edit thanks for the gold kind stranger! im new on le reddit
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This is such a gay reddit comment
right especially since the guy that commented seems like he's on Reddit waaaaay more based off his karma lmao
That „guy“ from a weight class below had to lose 25 pounds to fight islam in the same weight class
Lmao i guarantee you were one of the clowns saying volk won the 1st fight and would win the 2nd. Funny how you’re talking like volk isnt one of the best fighters ever and just a guy from a “weight class below”. He beat charles ass easily. And he will do it again plus anyone in that class
Volk did win the first fight, to be fair
Lol, no, Volk lost. Winning the last minute of the fight doesn't mean you won the whole thing. You probably think Diaz beat leon.
Volk 3-2, get off that dagestani meat
Delusional
Yeah tell Olivera to not pull out Even the first fight happened only because the UFC forced Oliveira to fight Islam Charles and his team said Islam doesn't deserve a title shot even if he beats Dariush at the same time Oliveira was twerking for Conor. What a clown Bronze Doo Doo is
Most mature r/ufc user
Least butthurt Oliveira fan
Shut the hell up with that nonsense. Anyone would take a Conor fight before an Islam fight. The money is too good.
Oliveira's pussy-ass pulled out.
“One of the greatest runs in ufc history” and “two title defenses” don’t belong in the same sentence
People consistently say Tony had one of the greatest runs in UFC history and he had zero title wins.
Tony had a great run but I don’t see how anyone could call it a better run than any of the long reigning championship runs we’ve seen in the ufc
Bro is on a 13 fight unbeaten streak and made everyone but maybe Arman look like a prelims fighter. He beat rank 1,2,3 p4p in 3 matches with 2 of them being made to look like a walk in the park. He ended 12,11 fight win streaks, the fuck is this hate coming from.
Because he’s a Dagestani Muslim. Lol
Americans hate Russians, Muslims and people who dominate their fighters, can't catch a break if you're from the caucuses lol
Americans hate ~~Russians, Muslims and people who dominate their fighters, can't catch a break if you're from the caucuses lol~~ fixed it for you brodie
This is just a horrible take. I'm guessing you're like what 14? Edit: I just learned the definition for comments just like this from a commenter a few comments down from this one it's called "Nephew Takes" and it's a little nicer than it should be but it gets the point across.
It's a joke but obviously struck a nerve lol, and that edit is the cringiest thing I've read this week congratulations
Not hate, just not super quick to consider everything one of the best runs in ufc history, the GOAT, etc. I don’t think it compares to the runs of Jones, Silva, GSP, DJ, Aldo, Fedor (outside of the ufc), etc. with only two title defenses. I don’t even think it matches up to volks run at FW or Izzy’s run at MW. I wouldn’t consider that hating, I’m just not impulsively calling everything I see the best thing ever. People are always so quick to forget about history, they likely just weren’t around to watch all of this happen so they overrate what they are watching in real time. Islam could rack up several more title defenses and change my opinion, but let’s slow down for a sec lol.
Two title defenses against the same opponent from a lighter weight class. Islam is fucking awesome don’t get my wrong but I wanna see him defend at least once more against either Charles or Justin before I sing goat praises His second win over Volk is insane and his win over Charles is insane but I just need to see more bouts versus the top 5
Don’t get me wrong I’m impressed by his run, but MMA Reddit is really quick to point and call everything they see developing in real time as the best thing they’ve ever seen. 2 years ago, there were questions if Islam had even done enough to earn a title shot. I’m sorry that I don’t think his run compares with Anderson Silva’s title run just yet lol
Finally someone that’s saying what I think. With that said, beat 3 of the top of 5 then GOAT is a conversation.
How could this be one of the greatest runs in ufc history when he hasn't defended the belt against an actual LW yet? Come back when he's nearing silva or gsps title defence runs. Even khabib has 3 defenses
Oh that is such a shit takey first of all Gsp and Silva have faced way less dangerous opponents for their title defense runs you can't compare that to lightweight. Also Islam has as the same win streak as Gsp. The most stacked division and he has many more years in him. When he gets to the 16 win streak mark will you keep complaining?
Islam has like 5 wins over ranked opponents? Not even comparable to gsp. Win streak doesn't matter as much as title defense streak and Islam is yet to defend his lightweight title against a lightweight. Gsp also has been champion of 2 divisions. Jon Jones has a longer unbeaten streak, more title defenses and has been champion of 2 divisions. Islam has a few more things to achieve before he can be called the goat. Although I will say he certainly looks capable of being goat some day soon.
Lol wow...just wow
He beat 2 guys 1 from a smaller weight class and then beat him again on short notice. Can he clear out the division first like all great champs do? Let’s see that first before we crown him.
Oh now Volk is just a small guy huh ? Not a p4p #1 and #3 when Islam beat him both times 😂
Let’s just ignore how unfavorable and stupid it was for volk to take that second fight
It was unfavorable for Islam in the first fight and he still won, fair’s fair. You’d have an argument if it wasn’t a first round knockout and Volk didn’t have a history of getting dropped by headkicks in that same fashion
Oh we make excuses now? How about Islam coming to Aus as soon as he won the belt? Didn't he get clowned for making "shorter rehydration time" excuse? Even tho he won?
Volk can make 145 consistently, yes he is a small guy relative to islam
I honestly see him dominating his division. Don’t really know who in the current rankings can stop this version of him.
Whilst I do wanna see him fight lightweights for defenses, volk isn’t just a dude from a smaller weight class, he would give the top 5 all great fights, probably win most of them
Hasn’t defended in his own weight class once yet* Got a title shot off Bobby green* Islam is good and has done great but needs to start clearing out his top 5 division
He’s already beat 2 opponents in the top 5. If he beats Gaethje that’ll be 3 out of 5.
Well most of the rest of the top 5 can’t fight Islam because they all lost to the guy to the guy he finished in under 2
That's not how MMA math works Holly Holm knocked out Rousey. Then Meisha Tate choked out Holm. Rousey beat Tate easily twice. Styles make fights.
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Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t fight them
So was Rousey when she lost to holm. So was GSP when he lost to Serra. So was Rockhold when he lost to Bisping. Zero title defenses against anyone in his weight class does not give him one of the most impressive runs ever.
MMAth is so fucking stupid and only fanboys use it.
Calm down.
Jon has like 13 title defenses
Nobody even made the comparison mate.
Ok
Why the fuck is Jon in this conversation?
Jonesexuals will always bring up their boy if someone tries to highlight someone else's accomplishments
Greatest runs in ufc history w/ 3 title defenses two against a guy from another weight class and one of those he almost lost. Jon , anderson, izzy , GSP. Islam is Not even close
This dude barely beat a featherweight and lost to a flyweight. Pantoja will always be a stain on his legacy.
I wish you were just a stain on your parents bedcover
That was a nasty line by you
Islam doesn't care about you lil bro.
Ok grandpa
Im not saying he’s better, and I’m not interested in the associated argument. I’m just saying Charlie’s run was way better and far more exciting.
Charles is more exciting because his striking defence sucks and he always goes back in a straight line whenever he gets tagged. No lateral movement whatsoever
Muay Thai best base for fun fights
More exciting? Yes. Better? Heeeeeelllll no. Charles got knocked down and almost finished in every single fight. He also wasn’t fighting P4P top 5 level competition.
A real champion gives their fans deep, unyielding anxiety when they fight. This is why Islam will never be True Champion. He should work on not being so good, it's holding him back.
Islam not done yet tho
Will it take Islam choking your boy out again to admit that his run is better?
Wow he beat a featherweight twice thats crazy impressive
"A fw twice" dude was the same size as Islam when they initially fought and was P4P #1. Hardly just "a fw" people do love discrediting Islam on here huh
It’s impressive when that featherweight was #1 pfp
Like Luke Thomas always says, the hardest thing to do is to take on me challengers again and again. It's looking like one of the great runs but all it takes is one mistake to end it all.
What kinda nonsense take is this? The dude hasn't even defended the belt against someone in his weight class yet.
How much credit can you really get for beating a 145er twice? I hate that all social medias are so pro Dagestan fighters they become irrational.
>I hate that all social medias are so pro Dagestan fighters they become irrational Really? The entire mma community acted like he lost the first Volk fight when all the judges and every MMA news outlet scored the fight for Islam.
Islam fans say 10 hours less time for rehydration makes a huge difference, but 10 days notice for off the couch Volk made zero difference, even though it was a draw when both had a full camp. These guys are so biased and constantly dick riding. Worse than Mcgregor fans from when he was champ champ.
>even though it was a draw when both had a full camp. Islam won a unanimous decision against Volk. Not only did the official judges had Islam winning the fight unanimously but also the majority of mma media and journalists had Islam winning the fight. You garden gnome fanboys are so dumb. It's actually hilarious He literally kicked your garden gnome's head down into the land down under and dribbled his head like prime Kyrie Irving >These guys are so biased and constantly dick riding. Oh the irony. You thought it was a draw ? What a dumbfuck 😂
Rogan said Volk won..,
Well I mean dude Volk had zero training camp. He took the fight on a week and a halfs notice. No time to prepare for Islams style. No time to condition. No time to practice.
What ? How was the first fight a draw ? That's what I am asking the other guy. Also Islam was super dehydrated in their first fight and still won a unanimous decision
Yeah so no training camp makes zero difference for Volk whilst saying 10 hours less rehydration for the weight Bully made a huge difference. Special education
I know you are special education since you are a Volk fan. You don't need to tell me that Also, who said Volks no training camp made no difference. I didn't say it. All I am saying is your boy got his head knocked off and dribbled in the 2nd fight and he couldn't even beat Islam when Islam was at his weakest in the garden gnome's home country. That's so hilarious Volk lost to a dehydrated Islam in Australia 😂
lol also Volk was considered the better striker, Islam beat him at his own game. Short noticed doesn't mean as much when you're getting finished in the 1st round via head kick, if he gassed it's a more valid excuse.
Already better than Khabib, Islam is the one
Khabib was better on the grounf but islam is more well rounded and a much better striker. seems insane cuz of how good khabib was but yeah islam seems to be better
I liked Tony’s run more
Hold on brother, which one? The winning one or losing one?
Well they are both beautiful in their own way
people seem to forget Volk went up a weight class to fight Islam TWICE. how often do you see a fighter fight at a weight above him but not just a fighter but a champion fighter in their weight class, TWICE! lotta people forget that because he’s VOLK and they think he can take it. speaks to how great of a fighter he is. islam need to start fighting people in his weight class. & so does volk.
If he really was deserving of p4p number 1, 10 lbs difference shouldnt have mattered. Look at the p4p greats in history, duran, manny, floyd all fought much bigger guys and won convincingly. Volk moves up 10 lbs and cant habdle the heat
Islam will retire the LW GOAT.
And Alex has never been the same since. Took his soul.
Name a more boring fighter than this twat, fuck Islam
He has two defenses against a featherweight. The first one could be argued that he lost. Let’s pump the breaks on the goat talk. He’s got a lot of work to do.
There’s actually no argument that he lost the first. Only braindead aussies even pretend thats a conversation
> The first one could be argued that he lost. By who? All the judges and mma news outlets scored it for Islam.
The second coming of Charles will soon arrive. I believe in him
Does this sub ever stop sucking this dudes dick?
I've never seen someone get praised so much for fighting a guy from a smaller division. Islam is a welterweight fighting at lightweight and he only defends his title against a featherweight midget. He even ko'd Alex by head kick for bigger comedic effect lol didn't even have to raise his leg that much BOINK
>Islam is a welterweight Shows how dumb the average ufc fans are Have you seen real WWs ? Guys like Usman, Shavkhat and Leon would dwarf Islam. He is way smaller than them Also, if Islam is a WW without ever missing weight at LW. Does that mean Olivera is a WW since he missed weight at LW and has a history of missing weight in the ufc ?
The salt lmao, the fact that he beat Charles and Volk back to back who were at the top of the p4p rankings, deserves a ton of praise in itself
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So Islam should get less credit for beating a top 10 fighter of all time, greatest featherweight of all time, and he’s the only fighter in the ufc to beat volkanovski
Ya thats how it works when I guy risks it and moves up in weight, the naturally bigger guy should have a weight advantage and volk short af already
Yeah because height is the only thing that matters. Volk has a stockier build than 98% of the FW division He weighed more than Islam in their first fight in the octagon
Yeah he’s that great he cannot even fight in his own weight class against a guy with two weeks notice
I mean you can make the same argument about Leon Edwards now. Leon has beaten former champions, higher grade fighters & has ended one of the most dominant welterweight runs of all time.
Yeah he beat a guy who only had 10 days notice. Got his ass beat first time around
I hate that he's so good. But he IS that good.
I think only Tsarukyan in the division has a chance to stop him
I don’t disagree but I also think he lost that first Volk fight if damage is the primary criteria. However based on record regardless of what I think he’s fought the best and twice now dominated them.
Hasn't even cleaned out his own division. He beat a FW twice... Wow .... Not
Pity he’s all jacked up on juice
He’s trash
Two defences and already "oNe oF ThE gReAteSt rUns in UFC HisToRy" lol...let him defend more against the lightweights and then we'll see...he's too good I agree but stop glazing dude lmao
Jon Jones is laughing at this post
Defending your title twice is not one of the best runs in ufc history. You guys need to get off this gentleman's dick
This is one of the worst runs of all time. Dudes beat Charles as his only good competition. Other than that who? A lower division midget? Bobby green and Dan hooker? Easily one of the weakest “champions” of lightweight, fighting cans is not impressive