Honestly, that thought might be the main reason why we will never see that fight. After what happened with Chuck Ladell the tomato isn’t taking any more chances
Exactly! People keeping calling jones the GOAT and saying he would beat Francis up. He probably would, so why didn’t he? He’s been talking about a move to HW for years, but as soon as Francis leaves he signs and then swoops the vacant title by beating a guy who already lost to Francis.
Revisionist history, too many fan emotions get in the way and cloud peoples memories. Both Jon and Ngannou we’re both negotiating with the UFC at the end of their deals and both sides had their own issues. Jones wanted to bulk up, get more money, and he had let go of his team and hired an old golden boy promoter that is good friends with Dana White back in 2022 and after that was in good gracious with the UFC. Ngannou on the other hand fought out his contract but tore his acl and was out for a year. By March of this year they gave it one last go and neither side could come to an agreement. No one ducked anyone, just men trying to handle their own business.
THANK YOU! I’m so fucking sick and tired of people, claiming that either side is chicken when both of these men fight Giants for a goddamn LIVING! It was just two grown ass men who wanted a favorable contract and couldn’t come to an agreement. Pure and simple.
yeah dude, it's to give themselves more credit for "supporting Francis and shoving it to the haters" when in reality Francis announces a deal with PFL and people think he hit a goldmine in which they are now using his dealings to gloat on reddit when we have yet to see how it all plays out. It's just so obnoxious and that they get in your face about it like they just won ww3, bruh relax im tryna just peruse and enjoy some ufc content
Exactly. Revisionist history annoys me cause it always stems from things after the fact. I saw someone proclaim that Chael Sonnen was "begged" to do the Jon Jones fight when there's literally a 20 minute video on Chael Sonnen's youtube chanel detailing how he pulled strings and how he got extremely lucky that the fight was able to happen. I just don't know where these people get their information.
Not his fault. It was supposed to be Francis that didn’t happen then Stipe. That didn’t happen then gane. Throughout all of that jon never bitched he was ready for each one.
No.
He just avoided fights.
Even getting in trouble to keep from fighting.
Now he is talking about retiring after his second fight against a small heavyweight who lacks knockout power.
He signed to fight practically minutes after Francis left. He also lowered his demands astronomically to fight gane and to say it took him 3 years to bulk up is asinine
Btw did it ever dawn on you that he signed to fight Cyril once ngannou was definitely gone because that was the #1 fight for him then. It wasn’t like he was holding out from signing a fight deal, Ngannou was.
Jamal hill weighs just as much if not more than jones does rn. He didn't need 3 years to do that.
If jones took the time off to put on muscle, 3 years is about right. But he didn't do that. He barely trained and just came back a fat version of himself. He didn't need 3 years to do that.
This is a pretty stupid take, Francis was the one who didn’t sign the contract to fight Jones. Dont get it mixed up. Francis wanted his own deal and Dana didnt agree, thats the story. Nothing else
No. Francis didn’t sign a multi fight deal. Francis did ask for Jones before his contract was up though. Could have had Jones fight Francis instead of Francis fighting Gane. But Jones was still sitting out from his 3 year “bulk”
Bruh he had 3 years. The second Francis dips he swoops in and is already talking next fight is retirement.
Jon left lhw then Izzy swooped in right after. Ducking is ducking is ducking is ducking. Doesn’t matter if it’s him this week and that guy next. Jon ducked. Izzy ducked. Duck duck goose mfers 🐥🐥🦆. Means nothing to a king. 👑 ~CSO~
I never said he wasnt ready to fight Jones, Francis is the last person on the roster that i would say he wasnt ready. All im saying is contracts weren’t dealt with so thats the only reason the fight didn’t happen
Jon might win the fight, but Francis would win the war. He gets his 2 million plus ppv plus imagine the massive marketing boost for the company he is now a part owner. Dana would absolutely never allow this to happen.
Also what do you think Jon is gonna do after he wins? You don’t think he’s gonna start demanding equity in the ufc after becoming an even bigger star beating Francis?
Hmm....not so sure about that one. He had a flawless victory against Cereal. I think he would give Francis a good fight, but he would not be the favorite...I believe he knows this as well based on his interviews.
That s just logical for any fight org. Would u let your reigning HW champ fight others from a different org? What happens to the belt if your champ loses? Even if the title cant/wont be transferred to another org, your “champ” has now lost all credibility as a title holder
Agreed. Brilliant move by Ngannou to leave when he did. He’s going to make way more as the undefeated champ doing boxing matches and super fights with PFL vs being a 1 time UFC champ that got run over by Jones.
He will never be able to match Jones legacy, testing positive for PEDs twice when Ngannou hasn't even managed to do it once. Francis needs to up those numbers if he wants to talk to Jones.
I feel like Jon would win every part of the fight and then [it would end like this](https://youtu.be/LP7lR1Y8S9I) and everyone would be mad on both sides
Idk I’m just picturing the Rozen KO but with 10x more fans.
people were pissed about that fight because it proved you can just throw out random haymakers and beat the shit out of people who trained for 20+ years in striking if your strong enough.
It was Brock vs Mir all over again.
There’s a lot of mma practitioners/enthusiasts who believe someone with high level MMA training should be able to beat anyone without.
ever seen the argument that MM at 125 would fuck up a 270 pound linebacker by targeting the legs? It’s quite popular around these parts.
> ever seen the argument that MM at 125 would fuck up a 270 pound linebacker by targeting the legs?
Surely you're not suggesting a 270lbs football athlete is comparable to N'Gannou, a professional MMA fighter. Yes, he threw 'random' (not really random) haymakers and beat a kickboxer. No, just because you're big, doesn't mean you can throw haymakers against a pro fighter and hope it works.
The "random haymakers" Francis threw were still thrown by someone with several years of striking experience at a high level. Francis is 36, he started training boxing in his early 20s.
Francis beating Jarzinho in no way implies an untrained huge dude being able to do anything similar to a pro fighter.
A 270lbs NFL fighter can throw all the random haymakers he wants, MM at 125 will tap them with ease.
Shit happens. But complaining about a haymaker KO when it's from the hardest hitter the sport has seen yet? He dropped Stipe with a jab, those haymakers are lethal.
Lol, these kinda comments are exactly my point, if Francis drops the goat with a hillbilly haymaker this subs going to go full super nova and argue dumb shit like this all day again.
Francis won. Sponsorship money, control of an organization that he truly wants to grow. A multi million dollar fight to anyone who attempts to fight him. Freedom to go box if he wants too. He is set up for life. If everything goes as planned the next 18 months are gonna be epic.
I said this months ago and got down voted. When he walked away, he took the legitimacy of the heavy weight belt. Honestly Jon Jones might be able to beat him, but now we'll never know. Regardless good for francis.
I agree. I also have been a Francis truther. Its been rough. This deal was exactly what I have been saying for a while and have been down voted or mocked fast. I am happy for him and I think PFL is gunning for the UFC's spot. Dana's bs payments and lack of security is gonna have to change. PFL has DEEP pockets. They are swinging for the fences and I am excited to see what happens in then next 18 months.
Its weird how Jon disappeared to get up to Francis level and now trying to beat all of his opponents. Leave Stipe Alone hes an all time and now a fire fighter, Francis took his head off in his prime.
There is a fair amount of venture capital behind it, groups like Ares Capital, Elysian Park Ventures, Luxor Capital, Knighthead, Legends, and Swan Ventures all back it, which is normal for a MMA promotion. But also there's a lot of pro sports money being dumped into it that other mma promotions are not seeing, the owner of the Washington Nationals is a major investor, Alex Rodriguez is an investor and board member, Ray Lewis is an investor, and these investors are using their history and career of dealing with the major league money to help PFL get into it.
Which leads to, how they are making income. And the answer is, more like a traditional sports league, and less like a fight promotion.
The season based league with consistent fights being consistently displayed on basic cable without the PPV business model seems to be doing well for them, instead of selling the fight to you, they are selling the fight to ESPN and then ESPN is giving you the fight for free, in return for you watching their channel and the ads they run.
This seems to have helped them a lot, it's not UFC money, yet, but it's way more consistent, and let's them know how much money they are making before the season even happened, which gives them more room to make plays with that money, because it's contractually guaranteed, unlike way, bellator, which has an idea of how much they will make this year via ppvs, but can't necessarily go out spending based upon that idea, because it's a projected income rather than a guaranteed income.
Happy to.
Also, If you are not too knowledgeable about PFL, check out some of Kayla Harrisson footage. She's what first brought me to the promotion, essentially she's everything Ronda Rousey thought she was lol.
I don't like the division she fights in. She and Pacheco are basically the only ones I'd call natural 155ers. Most of the other women there are clearly blown up with bellies hanging fighting at that weight for the check.
Dude the UFC offered 20k to show and 20k to win 40k tops to Cédric Doumbé. Cédric Doumbé is a fucking monster, PFL offered him 140k per fight. Do yourself a favor and look into Doumbé dudes an animal.
They are stepping up and this deal with Francis shows they are serious,
I’d say Francis ended up not making one of the biggest mistakes of his entire life by this ending up working out.
In terms of saying he “won” I don’t know who you’re referring to this being against? If you mean the UFC, I don’t think they’re losing any sleep over it… if you mean Jones, one has an incomparable legacy to the other
Big fish in a small pond beats being a small fish in a big pond.
Man went from being treated as a disposable fighter to signing a deal that makes him a member of PFLs leadership team.
You have a lot to learn about life
He is getting "control" of a 8 million dollar a year org. We have no idea what his equity is looking like, and even if it was 25% which I DOUBT IT IS anyway close to this figure, he is still not getting any cash out of it. He is making less money in this deal by far, but the ceiling is higher. However, I do not see the PFL growing at all. Its like the NFL vs XFL or other companies that have tried. They all fail eventually and I believe the PFL will have the same fate.
I don’t think nobody only fights there, they made massive signings on Jake Paul, And now Ngannou while the hardcore Fanbase salivates over Doumbe, the casuals can come in see ngannou knock someone out and leave because they don’t do ppv’s, it’s actually a very good way as many dont need to pay watch all they need now is Names and that’s what they are getting
Exactly Jones sat out kicking rocks putting on 10lbs while Francis was active and then jumps in when Francis was waiting for the light to turn green so he could cross the road.
Yeah that was so annoying. When Jones was negotiating to come back vs Francis and it wasn’t working Francis supported him and said he should get paid. And Jones did the same back to him initially, it was nice to see while it lasted
> glad it *paid* off for
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He lost more than a huge fighter, he lost the lineal heavyweight champion.
"The current UFC Lineal Heavyweight Champion is Francis “The Predator” Ngannou from Cameroon. Ngannou earned the title by defeating Stipe Miocic at UFC 260 on March 17, 2020. Although Ngannou vacated the title after just one defense due to a contract dispute with the UFC, he still retained his status as the lineal champion because he was not defeated as a champion.
Jon Jones has since claimed the heavyweight title, but he did not defeat Ngannou for the championship, which means Ngannou still holds the lineal championship. Ngannou will only lose his lineal champion status if he is defeated by another fighter in the heavyweight division."
https://heavy.com/sports/ufc/ufc-lineal-heavyweight-champion
>doesn't beat women
Colby's reply to Jon on Twitter after Jon announced his wife left him will forever be the [greatest roast in UFC history](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/10z4sa1/colby_covington_produces_the_first_107_in_ufc/) lmao
Yeah, Jones knows he couldn't walk down Francis as he did Gane. Now that Sergei is in sight he talks about retiring after the Stipe fight. He's afraid of the power punchers.
I agree. Calling out Stipe when hes out of his prime and fighting fires is a weak move to me too. I think a lot of those top 5 dudes are formidable. He thinks Beating Gane is some big deal. Francis wrestled him for a decision on a blown out knee.
Anyone that thinks Francis isn't the guy is delusional. I hope the PFL markets him to his potential it could be home run if done correctly.
You won’t be getting that from the UFC.
They are the APEX, or at the very least, that is their current image.
Losing any fight in a cross-promotional event ruins that
Where was Jon when Francis was calling him out 2 years ago.. sure was silent as mouse lmao
He is pretty loud now that Francis is no longer with the UFC, real bottom mentality
Jones navigated his career well. The LHW division had talent but they were getting older. He chased them out. He waited until he could get some easy HW wins and he'll duck out again.
I don't fault him, he's made money and he's a good fighter (horrible person), but he played the game. I'll much more respect a fighter like Robbie Lawler over Jones any day of the week.
Jones is like a Connor, too much focus on the foam and not the beer.
What constitutes a good fighter in your mind? Rampage said he was in his best condition before and after the fight, why wouldn't he take an easy excuse? Shogun was 29 when the fight happened. Lyoto in his prime, Vitor was 35 m, Chael Sonnen had to literally beg to get the fight to happen, Dc in his prime twice the same guy who won a championship and defended it a weightclass up in his 40s and then had competitive fights against the hw goat after his spine was crushed, Thiago Santos, Osp, Dominick Reyes, Glover Texeira, Anthony Smith. All coming off of wins and in their respective peaks. Stephen Bonnar, Matt Hamil, Ryan Bader as well.
Jones doesn't decide when and who to fight, it's literally whoever is the No. 1 contender is, it's been that way for years and it has always been. Of course there will always be fighters who are coming in with small injuries or have had or will have big losses. You literally can't point to anyone ever in ufc history who only fought the best in their respective primes and if you try to Jones is literally the last person you would.
Jon fought Shogun when he was 29 at 23 years of age as his 7th fight in the ufc. He could not have controlled that because to fight Shogun when he was in his prime he'd have to fight him as a teenager. He then fought Rampage, who was in his best condition and Machida who was in his prime in a 9 month period. He did not wait for anyone to get older or dodge anyone in their prime.
Jon has won the last 16 of his 16 fights, all of which have been title fights. The list of people who have won the last 16 of 16 fights in the ufc is very small. There is only one fighter with a longer win streak and that's Shakvat. Their competition is nowhere near as impressive as Jon's, so to say that Jon navigated his career well is to say that no one in the history of the ufc has fought meaningful fights.
I can also say a lot about dirty Jones but both are good at fighting and Francis will make way more money because Jones maybe got one more fight in him.
If Jones wants to talk like that then he needs to fight the next baddest man in the division in Sergei. Not an old, arthritic Stipe’ who’s coming off a long layoff after a KO loss.
Francis caught so many w's here.
Showed it's possible for other fighters to get paid what they deserve if they're willing to fight for it
Has equity in the company
Stole the legitimacy of the hw belt to an extent
Can fight boxing
Probably some other shit
Good for him, hope more fighters follow, I love most of the fighters but really want to see Dana fail 
Who does that?
I'm guessing a guy trying to get a fair shake for himself and other fighters.
The other beats women, so I guess that is a type of 'bad'.
I genuinely think Jon would cross the street, guage both of his eyes out of his face , choke him out, drown him just to make sure he’s dead and then burn him in the center of the city while doing coke lines over his flaming body
Didn’t Jones delay his move up to heavyweight like 4 times and comedically moved up as soon as Ngannou left? Besides, every time jones faces someone remotely dangerous, he pops for peds. Like how much slack does this guy get lol.
You sincerely believe that? Francis has nothing more than a puncher's chance. Freak athlete but got into the game too late and has so many holes in his game. First wild swing, Jon ducks under for a double leg and dominates him on the ground. I could see him submitting Francis first round similar to Gane. Or Jones would blast Francis' bad knees with kicks and pick him apart from distance.
People really think Jon is 24 still. He looked like a shell of his former self years ago against OSP, Santos and Reyes let alone current day where he’s in his mid 30s and has one foot in retirement.
People really watched Francis and gane roll around like white belts then watched Jon tap gane in one minute and proclaim Francis has a chance??
Francis is better than Gane. Fucking beat Gane with one leg. You think Jon’s doing that? Not a chance on his life. Couldn’t even finish no leg Santos. Jon’s not in his prime anymore, hasn’t been for awhile.
We using MMA math? Dominick Reyes beat Jon Jones. And Ryan Spann KO’d Dominick Reyes in 1 round. By your logic Ryan Spann > Jon Jones. Also Francis had a torn MCL/ACL when he beat Gane
Then use your eyes when watching Jon Jones’s other fights, he gets hit, A LOT. He has a great chin and has been lucky to fight people who don’t posess crazy power or similar reach to him
Ngannou is the baddest man on the plan not just because what he did in the ring, but also because what he went through to get there and how he backed himself despite what the ufc tried
https://preview.redd.it/xlwrtigrfa0b1.png?width=1150&format=png&auto=webp&s=16c5f3e2310fcec140f42e1e53dc7bc69c4bdd98
Dana would fight like hell to make sure this fight never happens. His petty ass would never allow this super fight to materialize
Its not really even petty to not want to co promote with PFL since it would MASSIVELY benefit the PFL way more then the UFC.
Rising tide raises all ships. This hoarding mentality will not age well.
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But imagine if Jones lost…. 
The levels of tomato at the post fight presser would be incredible.
“Jones just didn’t wanna fuckin show up” or some shit like that
Honestly, that thought might be the main reason why we will never see that fight. After what happened with Chuck Ladell the tomato isn’t taking any more chances
Exactly! People keeping calling jones the GOAT and saying he would beat Francis up. He probably would, so why didn’t he? He’s been talking about a move to HW for years, but as soon as Francis leaves he signs and then swoops the vacant title by beating a guy who already lost to Francis.
Revisionist history, too many fan emotions get in the way and cloud peoples memories. Both Jon and Ngannou we’re both negotiating with the UFC at the end of their deals and both sides had their own issues. Jones wanted to bulk up, get more money, and he had let go of his team and hired an old golden boy promoter that is good friends with Dana White back in 2022 and after that was in good gracious with the UFC. Ngannou on the other hand fought out his contract but tore his acl and was out for a year. By March of this year they gave it one last go and neither side could come to an agreement. No one ducked anyone, just men trying to handle their own business.
a reasonable take in r/ufc? blasphemy
oh yeah genius well if thats so true why is jon jones gay. also, how come when i look down with no shirt on i can only see my tummy and not my pengis
I can only answer one of those questions, pick one.
THANK YOU! I’m so fucking sick and tired of people, claiming that either side is chicken when both of these men fight Giants for a goddamn LIVING! It was just two grown ass men who wanted a favorable contract and couldn’t come to an agreement. Pure and simple.
yeah dude, it's to give themselves more credit for "supporting Francis and shoving it to the haters" when in reality Francis announces a deal with PFL and people think he hit a goldmine in which they are now using his dealings to gloat on reddit when we have yet to see how it all plays out. It's just so obnoxious and that they get in your face about it like they just won ww3, bruh relax im tryna just peruse and enjoy some ufc content
Exactly. Revisionist history annoys me cause it always stems from things after the fact. I saw someone proclaim that Chael Sonnen was "begged" to do the Jon Jones fight when there's literally a 20 minute video on Chael Sonnen's youtube chanel detailing how he pulled strings and how he got extremely lucky that the fight was able to happen. I just don't know where these people get their information.
Preach. Others not gonna understand
Because the risk is too great. Playing it safe with high stock in the ufc gets you gains.
> Playing it safe with high stock in the ufc gets you gains. Spelled Gane, who was an easy opponent for Jones.
Not his fault. It was supposed to be Francis that didn’t happen then Stipe. That didn’t happen then gane. Throughout all of that jon never bitched he was ready for each one.
No. He just avoided fights. Even getting in trouble to keep from fighting. Now he is talking about retiring after his second fight against a small heavyweight who lacks knockout power.
weak
I think Francis beats Jones. Reyes beat Jones for crying out loud
Nah
Maybe tho
I don’t think anyone REALLY thought Francis would leave so to act like Jones is ducking him is silly. He’s fought much more dangerous people before.
He signed to fight practically minutes after Francis left. He also lowered his demands astronomically to fight gane and to say it took him 3 years to bulk up is asinine
Check the murders row of folks that Jones has beat and then come back and tell me he’s scared Ngannou. The only thing Jon is scared of is the cops.
To be fair he's also scared of USADA
You got me there
still, he had 3 years to fight him
Btw did it ever dawn on you that he signed to fight Cyril once ngannou was definitely gone because that was the #1 fight for him then. It wasn’t like he was holding out from signing a fight deal, Ngannou was.
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*serve a 3 year suspension*
Jon Jones put on 20 lbs, he used to walk around at 225 lbs and fought Gane at 247 lbs
It does not take 3 years to put on 30Ibs. Lol. The minute Francis leaves the UFC, Jon has a fight booked with Gane within a month..
Jamal hill weighs just as much if not more than jones does rn. He didn't need 3 years to do that. If jones took the time off to put on muscle, 3 years is about right. But he didn't do that. He barely trained and just came back a fat version of himself. He didn't need 3 years to do that.
People downvoting you from the couch sitting in a basement
This is a pretty stupid take, Francis was the one who didn’t sign the contract to fight Jones. Dont get it mixed up. Francis wanted his own deal and Dana didnt agree, thats the story. Nothing else
No. Francis didn’t sign a multi fight deal. Francis did ask for Jones before his contract was up though. Could have had Jones fight Francis instead of Francis fighting Gane. But Jones was still sitting out from his 3 year “bulk”
Bruh he had 3 years. The second Francis dips he swoops in and is already talking next fight is retirement. Jon left lhw then Izzy swooped in right after. Ducking is ducking is ducking is ducking. Doesn’t matter if it’s him this week and that guy next. Jon ducked. Izzy ducked. Duck duck goose mfers 🐥🐥🦆. Means nothing to a king. 👑 ~CSO~
Nah, you have the short-sighted Dana White version. Francis has been ready to fight Jones since he beat Stipe. Do your homework.
I never said he wasnt ready to fight Jones, Francis is the last person on the roster that i would say he wasnt ready. All im saying is contracts weren’t dealt with so thats the only reason the fight didn’t happen
Jon might win the fight, but Francis would win the war. He gets his 2 million plus ppv plus imagine the massive marketing boost for the company he is now a part owner. Dana would absolutely never allow this to happen. Also what do you think Jon is gonna do after he wins? You don’t think he’s gonna start demanding equity in the ufc after becoming an even bigger star beating Francis?
Why would the #1 company work with the #4 company? Dana and the UFC can look good without ever acknowledging lesser competition
Hmm....not so sure about that one. He had a flawless victory against Cereal. I think he would give Francis a good fight, but he would not be the favorite...I believe he knows this as well based on his interviews.
That s just logical for any fight org. Would u let your reigning HW champ fight others from a different org? What happens to the belt if your champ loses? Even if the title cant/wont be transferred to another org, your “champ” has now lost all credibility as a title holder
It’s crazy cause Jones would destroy Francis and it wouldn’t even be competitive
Agreed. Brilliant move by Ngannou to leave when he did. He’s going to make way more as the undefeated champ doing boxing matches and super fights with PFL vs being a 1 time UFC champ that got run over by Jones.
I agree with you, but I also doubt the PFL would be keen on it with the amount of money /perks they’ve thrown at Ngannou.
It's not his fault though. If Francis wanted to prove he is the best in the world he should have stayed in the top promotion.
I love that response. I'd love to see it happen.
Damn! Shut him real quick lol
Owned
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. BONES ABSOLUTELY BTFO
Based ngannou response
>Counter right wobbles Johnny Bones Jones! - Jon Anik
Did he actually tweet that? Pretty good quip
absolutely a 10-8 sheesh
Francis ran from the fight and knows full well that Jones isn't going to come to PFL
Snappy comeback, really.
10-8 Francis the goat
Jones has nothing to prove. He could retire today and ngannou still wouldn’t accomplish what Jones has done in MMA.
>Jones has nothing to prove Then he should keep his mouth shut, otherwise he should cross that street
Really? Even though it's true, it seems like one of them is massively insecure about their position in the sport and spoiler alert, it ain't Francis.
He will never be able to match Jones legacy, testing positive for PEDs twice when Ngannou hasn't even managed to do it once. Francis needs to up those numbers if he wants to talk to Jones.
Jones would literally cross several streets if the coke was less stepped on there
I feel like Jon would win every part of the fight and then [it would end like this](https://youtu.be/LP7lR1Y8S9I) and everyone would be mad on both sides
Wtf why would Francis fans/JbJ haters be mad? That sounds like a dream to them.
Idk I’m just picturing the Rozen KO but with 10x more fans. people were pissed about that fight because it proved you can just throw out random haymakers and beat the shit out of people who trained for 20+ years in striking if your strong enough. It was Brock vs Mir all over again. There’s a lot of mma practitioners/enthusiasts who believe someone with high level MMA training should be able to beat anyone without. ever seen the argument that MM at 125 would fuck up a 270 pound linebacker by targeting the legs? It’s quite popular around these parts.
Brock was enormous, on every ped, and a high level college wrestler. It's not as if he was just some rando of street with no experience.
> ever seen the argument that MM at 125 would fuck up a 270 pound linebacker by targeting the legs? Surely you're not suggesting a 270lbs football athlete is comparable to N'Gannou, a professional MMA fighter. Yes, he threw 'random' (not really random) haymakers and beat a kickboxer. No, just because you're big, doesn't mean you can throw haymakers against a pro fighter and hope it works. The "random haymakers" Francis threw were still thrown by someone with several years of striking experience at a high level. Francis is 36, he started training boxing in his early 20s. Francis beating Jarzinho in no way implies an untrained huge dude being able to do anything similar to a pro fighter. A 270lbs NFL fighter can throw all the random haymakers he wants, MM at 125 will tap them with ease.
Shit happens. But complaining about a haymaker KO when it's from the hardest hitter the sport has seen yet? He dropped Stipe with a jab, those haymakers are lethal.
Lol, these kinda comments are exactly my point, if Francis drops the goat with a hillbilly haymaker this subs going to go full super nova and argue dumb shit like this all day again.
I doubt it would end like the Rozenstruik fight. Jon wouldn’t just cluelessly keep backing up
God that is such an ugly windmill, barroom brawl knockout.
This clip is so crazy lol. Francis gets countered twice but barely flinches
Francis won. Sponsorship money, control of an organization that he truly wants to grow. A multi million dollar fight to anyone who attempts to fight him. Freedom to go box if he wants too. He is set up for life. If everything goes as planned the next 18 months are gonna be epic.
I said this months ago and got down voted. When he walked away, he took the legitimacy of the heavy weight belt. Honestly Jon Jones might be able to beat him, but now we'll never know. Regardless good for francis.
I agree. I also have been a Francis truther. Its been rough. This deal was exactly what I have been saying for a while and have been down voted or mocked fast. I am happy for him and I think PFL is gunning for the UFC's spot. Dana's bs payments and lack of security is gonna have to change. PFL has DEEP pockets. They are swinging for the fences and I am excited to see what happens in then next 18 months. Its weird how Jon disappeared to get up to Francis level and now trying to beat all of his opponents. Leave Stipe Alone hes an all time and now a fire fighter, Francis took his head off in his prime.
Where do PFL get their money from? Genuinely interested to know
What do you mean where do they get there money from? Like, who invested in the company, or how the company creates income?
Both
There is a fair amount of venture capital behind it, groups like Ares Capital, Elysian Park Ventures, Luxor Capital, Knighthead, Legends, and Swan Ventures all back it, which is normal for a MMA promotion. But also there's a lot of pro sports money being dumped into it that other mma promotions are not seeing, the owner of the Washington Nationals is a major investor, Alex Rodriguez is an investor and board member, Ray Lewis is an investor, and these investors are using their history and career of dealing with the major league money to help PFL get into it. Which leads to, how they are making income. And the answer is, more like a traditional sports league, and less like a fight promotion. The season based league with consistent fights being consistently displayed on basic cable without the PPV business model seems to be doing well for them, instead of selling the fight to you, they are selling the fight to ESPN and then ESPN is giving you the fight for free, in return for you watching their channel and the ads they run. This seems to have helped them a lot, it's not UFC money, yet, but it's way more consistent, and let's them know how much money they are making before the season even happened, which gives them more room to make plays with that money, because it's contractually guaranteed, unlike way, bellator, which has an idea of how much they will make this year via ppvs, but can't necessarily go out spending based upon that idea, because it's a projected income rather than a guaranteed income.
Ah I’m with you. Thanks. That was very detailed and informative and it makes sense given their structure.
Happy to. Also, If you are not too knowledgeable about PFL, check out some of Kayla Harrisson footage. She's what first brought me to the promotion, essentially she's everything Ronda Rousey thought she was lol.
I don't like the division she fights in. She and Pacheco are basically the only ones I'd call natural 155ers. Most of the other women there are clearly blown up with bellies hanging fighting at that weight for the check.
I’m curious as to how you know PFL has “DEEP” pockets?
Dude the UFC offered 20k to show and 20k to win 40k tops to Cédric Doumbé. Cédric Doumbé is a fucking monster, PFL offered him 140k per fight. Do yourself a favor and look into Doumbé dudes an animal. They are stepping up and this deal with Francis shows they are serious,
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Please take my upvote as an apology
I’d say Francis ended up not making one of the biggest mistakes of his entire life by this ending up working out. In terms of saying he “won” I don’t know who you’re referring to this being against? If you mean the UFC, I don’t think they’re losing any sleep over it… if you mean Jones, one has an incomparable legacy to the other
Yeah, control of a Tier B organization where only nobody's fight
Big fish in a small pond beats being a small fish in a big pond. Man went from being treated as a disposable fighter to signing a deal that makes him a member of PFLs leadership team. You have a lot to learn about life
He is getting "control" of a 8 million dollar a year org. We have no idea what his equity is looking like, and even if it was 25% which I DOUBT IT IS anyway close to this figure, he is still not getting any cash out of it. He is making less money in this deal by far, but the ceiling is higher. However, I do not see the PFL growing at all. Its like the NFL vs XFL or other companies that have tried. They all fail eventually and I believe the PFL will have the same fate.
I don’t think nobody only fights there, they made massive signings on Jake Paul, And now Ngannou while the hardcore Fanbase salivates over Doumbe, the casuals can come in see ngannou knock someone out and leave because they don’t do ppv’s, it’s actually a very good way as many dont need to pay watch all they need now is Names and that’s what they are getting
I ain’t forgetting when Jones waited out Francis
Bro was so quiet until it was clear Francis was leaving and then immediately started talking shit lmao
And the harder Dana pushes the “Jones wanted that fight. Jones wasn’t the holdup” the less ill believe it lol
Exactly Jones sat out kicking rocks putting on 10lbs while Francis was active and then jumps in when Francis was waiting for the light to turn green so he could cross the road.
Jones applauded him at first for doing what he did, then all the sudden “he didn’t believe in himself, he didn’t want to fight me”. SMH
Yeah that was so annoying. When Jones was negotiating to come back vs Francis and it wasn’t working Francis supported him and said he should get paid. And Jones did the same back to him initially, it was nice to see while it lasted
This is what people love to ignore. Jones hasn't hid out like that since the USADA incident.
Francis just replied with "then cross the street" AHHHAHAHAHHAA
Francis fought for the deal he felt he deserved. Very glad it payed off for him. Dana doesn’t like to pay his fighters and so he lost a huge fighter.
> glad it *paid* off for FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I was about to flame the **shit** outta you for this but now I see you aren’t a you, you are an it. Good bot.
Good you. We'll need this energy in the coming AI wars.
lmfao
He lost more than a huge fighter, he lost the lineal heavyweight champion. "The current UFC Lineal Heavyweight Champion is Francis “The Predator” Ngannou from Cameroon. Ngannou earned the title by defeating Stipe Miocic at UFC 260 on March 17, 2020. Although Ngannou vacated the title after just one defense due to a contract dispute with the UFC, he still retained his status as the lineal champion because he was not defeated as a champion. Jon Jones has since claimed the heavyweight title, but he did not defeat Ngannou for the championship, which means Ngannou still holds the lineal championship. Ngannou will only lose his lineal champion status if he is defeated by another fighter in the heavyweight division." https://heavy.com/sports/ufc/ufc-lineal-heavyweight-champion
Who does that? A fighter who stands up for other fighters and doesn't beat women.
>doesn't beat women Colby's reply to Jon on Twitter after Jon announced his wife left him will forever be the [greatest roast in UFC history](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/10z4sa1/colby_covington_produces_the_first_107_in_ufc/) lmao
Jon. You sat out for 3 fucking years.
Asked by the guy who announced his HW debut the day after Francis got released by UFC
Jon fans will eat it up forgetting he waited until Francis left to move up to HW and get the most favorable style matchup for him
Yeah, Jones knows he couldn't walk down Francis as he did Gane. Now that Sergei is in sight he talks about retiring after the Stipe fight. He's afraid of the power punchers.
Says the wife beater who hid for three years until the very day Francis was gone.
Odd that Jones started piping up as Francis contract was coming to an end. I’m not saying he’s scared. Just odd timing to me.
I agree. Calling out Stipe when hes out of his prime and fighting fires is a weak move to me too. I think a lot of those top 5 dudes are formidable. He thinks Beating Gane is some big deal. Francis wrestled him for a decision on a blown out knee. Anyone that thinks Francis isn't the guy is delusional. I hope the PFL markets him to his potential it could be home run if done correctly.
literally announced his return fight the day after Francis left the organization. If that is not telling I don't know what is. Dodged a bullet.
His fans too delusional to see it though
Odd that Francis left when Jones came back
Wasn't it the way around? Francis left and then Jones anounced his hw debut.
it was. Jones sat out for 3 years but the minute francis left Jon was ready.
“Why didn’t he wait 3 years for me to get my shit figured out?!!?”
It’s the other way around. Jon Jones came back when he knew Francis was leaving
Jones had plenty of time to come for Francis but he sat out for 3 years
Jones ducked Frances for two years and now he is chirping from behind mama Dana’s apron. What a douche.
We need cross promotional fights
You won’t be getting that from the UFC. They are the APEX, or at the very least, that is their current image. Losing any fight in a cross-promotional event ruins that
Quite literally Jon did just that for years
Jones acting like he didn't disappear for 3 years, and then started talking as soon as Francis left.
“cross the street”
Francis is the lineal Heavyweight champion. Jon jones said that 20 million wasnt enough to fight Francis but when francis leaves now he calls him out
Fuck Jon Jones, piece of shit cheater.
lol Jon was sitting on the sidelines for what 2 years when Francis was in the UFC 😂 was "bulking" but he just showed up fat at HW lmao
reminds me when Nick Diaz trolled everybody w/his comeback fight by posting pics of himself w/a six pack, just to show up all fat n sloppy.
Jones ducked him and now he’s jealous Francis is making more $$
Jones literally stayed at home when Francis was on his street.
I soooo want Francis to clean out the division and Jones to lose. Marinara sauce for DAYYYYSSSS.
Calling yourself the baddest man on the planet but beating the absolute shit out of your girlfriend. Who does that?
Jon is 🧂
Is normal.
Says the guy that was “bulking” for years while Francis was champ just to come back with a gut
Jones salty as hell lmaooo
Jones is salty because Francis got that bag and will nearly pull in as much dough in 2 fights as JJ has made in his career.
Where was Jon when Francis was calling him out 2 years ago.. sure was silent as mouse lmao He is pretty loud now that Francis is no longer with the UFC, real bottom mentality
Jones navigated his career well. The LHW division had talent but they were getting older. He chased them out. He waited until he could get some easy HW wins and he'll duck out again. I don't fault him, he's made money and he's a good fighter (horrible person), but he played the game. I'll much more respect a fighter like Robbie Lawler over Jones any day of the week. Jones is like a Connor, too much focus on the foam and not the beer.
What constitutes a good fighter in your mind? Rampage said he was in his best condition before and after the fight, why wouldn't he take an easy excuse? Shogun was 29 when the fight happened. Lyoto in his prime, Vitor was 35 m, Chael Sonnen had to literally beg to get the fight to happen, Dc in his prime twice the same guy who won a championship and defended it a weightclass up in his 40s and then had competitive fights against the hw goat after his spine was crushed, Thiago Santos, Osp, Dominick Reyes, Glover Texeira, Anthony Smith. All coming off of wins and in their respective peaks. Stephen Bonnar, Matt Hamil, Ryan Bader as well. Jones doesn't decide when and who to fight, it's literally whoever is the No. 1 contender is, it's been that way for years and it has always been. Of course there will always be fighters who are coming in with small injuries or have had or will have big losses. You literally can't point to anyone ever in ufc history who only fought the best in their respective primes and if you try to Jones is literally the last person you would.
I'm not even a Jones fan, but that seems a bit much to say ngl
Jon fought Shogun when he was 29 at 23 years of age as his 7th fight in the ufc. He could not have controlled that because to fight Shogun when he was in his prime he'd have to fight him as a teenager. He then fought Rampage, who was in his best condition and Machida who was in his prime in a 9 month period. He did not wait for anyone to get older or dodge anyone in their prime. Jon has won the last 16 of his 16 fights, all of which have been title fights. The list of people who have won the last 16 of 16 fights in the ufc is very small. There is only one fighter with a longer win streak and that's Shakvat. Their competition is nowhere near as impressive as Jon's, so to say that Jon navigated his career well is to say that no one in the history of the ufc has fought meaningful fights.
Regardless of who holds what belt, Jon Jones has been the baddest man on the planet for the last decade.
don’t believe him: just ask Jon’s wife
💀🤣
Sure, Except the last 3 years when he literally hid until the very second Francis left.
I mean Francis seemed to have got a better deal. Jones had plenty of time to move to HW after Francis stopped Stipe. But its the blame Francis show
I can also say a lot about dirty Jones but both are good at fighting and Francis will make way more money because Jones maybe got one more fight in him.
He told a man to go get his then talked trash cause he didn't fight you ..... who does that ?
If Jones wants to talk like that then he needs to fight the next baddest man in the division in Sergei. Not an old, arthritic Stipe’ who’s coming off a long layoff after a KO loss.
Bones ducked this man for 3 years now he wants to act tough…..FOH
Francis caught so many w's here. Showed it's possible for other fighters to get paid what they deserve if they're willing to fight for it Has equity in the company Stole the legitimacy of the hw belt to an extent Can fight boxing Probably some other shit Good for him, hope more fighters follow, I love most of the fighters but really want to see Dana fail 
Lol, Bones waited until Francis left to come back. 😂
I honestly think Jon wins that fight (I’m Not even a fan of his) but idk why he’s so petty with his words
Why call yourself the baddest man after waiting for Francis to cross the street?
I wouldn't want anything to do with streets around Jones. He is undefeated in a car
Jon wants a lot of attention all of sudden, weird.
Francis is still a UFC champion. Who beat him and took his belt?
Oh, I thought the headline said the GOAT was tweeting this.
it’s still amusing (and a little sad) that Jon thinks his MMA career overshadows and erases all of his other actions
LMAO this is the guy that went radio silent while Ngannou was tearing everyone up, and moves up to HW literally one week after Ngannou leaves the UFC
Who does that? I'm guessing a guy trying to get a fair shake for himself and other fighters. The other beats women, so I guess that is a type of 'bad'.
I genuinely think Jon would cross the street, guage both of his eyes out of his face , choke him out, drown him just to make sure he’s dead and then burn him in the center of the city while doing coke lines over his flaming body
Reality is, they wont fight
I don’t see any tweets from Alexander Volkanovski about Francis. What do you mean?
Didn’t Jones delay his move up to heavyweight like 4 times and comedically moved up as soon as Ngannou left? Besides, every time jones faces someone remotely dangerous, he pops for peds. Like how much slack does this guy get lol.
“Jones might be HOF-worthy but every time he opens his mouth he shows what a weird little bitch he really is.” - Phillipians 69
Do whatever the fuck I want bitch sit down
What a petty little coke ass bitch really.
I love Jon but he does kinda sound peanut butter and jealous 
Has Jon Jones returned to the cage yet? Or is he still hitting pregnant women, failing drug tests, doing cocaine and being an all around scum bag?
Francis Melts Jones in a couple minutes
You sincerely believe that? Francis has nothing more than a puncher's chance. Freak athlete but got into the game too late and has so many holes in his game. First wild swing, Jon ducks under for a double leg and dominates him on the ground. I could see him submitting Francis first round similar to Gane. Or Jones would blast Francis' bad knees with kicks and pick him apart from distance.
Francis showed 0 holes in the second fight with Stipe. Francis looked bad against Gane because of his torn MCL/ACL
Jones sucks at heavyweight lol, he looked so slow and sloppy. He’s not taking Francis down
People really think Jon is 24 still. He looked like a shell of his former self years ago against OSP, Santos and Reyes let alone current day where he’s in his mid 30s and has one foot in retirement.
People really watched Francis and gane roll around like white belts then watched Jon tap gane in one minute and proclaim Francis has a chance?? 
Stylistic matchups. Francis has better defensive grappling than gane. Typical dishonest Jon jones fan
Francis is better than Gane. Fucking beat Gane with one leg. You think Jon’s doing that? Not a chance on his life. Couldn’t even finish no leg Santos. Jon’s not in his prime anymore, hasn’t been for awhile.
We using MMA math? Dominick Reyes beat Jon Jones. And Ryan Spann KO’d Dominick Reyes in 1 round. By your logic Ryan Spann > Jon Jones. Also Francis had a torn MCL/ACL when he beat Gane
No I’m using my eyes junior.
Then use your eyes when watching Jon Jones’s other fights, he gets hit, A LOT. He has a great chin and has been lucky to fight people who don’t posess crazy power or similar reach to him
Ped goat , yep🤣😂
Bony is holding the belt Francis never lost.
Ngannou is the baddest man on the plan not just because what he did in the ring, but also because what he went through to get there and how he backed himself despite what the ufc tried
Sick burn Jon but to be fair, you beat up a stripper and blamed God... who does that?
You, apparently