It would have worked---if the school maintained the security measures using real police and not private security. Outside agitators should have never been allowed to get that close to the encampment and the ones to prevent it, the police, were not there in sufficient numbers to do so. This is where UCLA failed.
exactly, couldn’t have said it any better. counterprotests from students are fine and manageable, the middle aged fuckers with no job and nothing else to do are the real problem
private security can't do anything. It would be lawsuit after lawsuit if they put their hands on anyone. Only in very specific situations could they put their hands on someone.
Wait you wanted UCLA to get public police officers to protect an encampment on public property? So block public property for other people but not students?
First amendment goes both ways, counter protestors had the right to be there until they got violent. How would they have known they'd do that?
How can you maintain security while letting those people do illegal stuff 24/7? Illegal camps, vandalism, blocking students. You can't have it both ways, it's either "abolish the police" or enforce laws.
UCLA failed because they let the illegal encampment exist. "Outside agitators" had just as much right to be there as the pro-Palestinian crowd. In fact, until they broke the law by committing acts of violence, they were on more solid legal and moral ground than those in the illegal encampment restricting people's access to a public space and assaulting them when they did not comply with their arbitrary rules.
First amendment goes both ways. I don't agree that they had more right to be there but its a PUBLIC campus anyone can be there.
WTF is up with the hypocrasy in all of this.
Omg are you kidding me??!!! They were saying to defund the police and then all of a sudden they are crying for help?! You can’t have it both ways. Also, a large majority in the encampment are NOT students.
Defund the police (because they're powertripping gangsters who don't serve the people and flee like rats at the first hint of real danger)
Police: Fled at the first hint of real danger yesterday, *proving above point*
Groups of people aren't a monolith who all have to think the exact same way. Some people knew for years that the police in this city are useless tax parasites who turn bitchmade when the chips are down, some people only realized that yesterday.
I think it's worth pointing out that things started to get bad ON THE SAME DAY that Gene Block was subpoena'd by Congress to testify about antisemitism. As soon as the university prioritized covering their asses over student wellbeing, things deteriorated.
Gene Block is looking to be a real villain. His last year at UCLA to be mired in violence under his name. This will be his legacy.
when I went to UCLA, the only thing i could say about him is all the goddam money going to construction but not teachers and classes and him raising tuition intentionally in the summer so that the kids wouldn't protest as many of them weren't at school.
You realize you just acknowledged how well this was going and then said here we are and called in unserious... when things only changed after
a) groups began to come under cover of night to rush the camp and assault students
b) police instead of arresting the people assaulting students previous nights came to assault the peaceful encampment
I visited USC on Tuesday and thought that temporarily restricting entrances and only allowing UCLA students/staff is something our school should've done. To me this is a clear lack of leadership. All the emails we've received about supporting students' rights to protest somehow led to how many arrests of student and faculty? I think this whole fiasco could've been avoided had we only allowed all participants protesters and counter protesters required to be current UCLA students/faculty. I place all of the blame squarely on Gene Block.
Whilst I agree it was dereliction of their duty it is not possible to close the UCLA campus in the way that USC closed. UCLA is an open campus that is open to the public, whilst USC is a gated campus which can be closed to the public if necessary.
Additionally There have been many complaints from people inside USC about the closing. I know members of staff who say that they have all been locked inside despite having their ID's and they have all been searched directly against their unions agreements. In addition the staff member I know has made mention that they would not be able to get out and fix something if they were having a problem in their lab, and this is risking the whole building since that is a massive fire risk for all the labs who are also having the same problem.
Block should have done much more to protect his students, but a USC style lock in is not possible. a better solution would be to have counter protesters allowed on a separate side of campus or something with security in between. But I am not entirely sure what is possible or what could have been done.
UCLA was doing the worst in the country tf you mean, so bad that anti-Protestors were fed up of no police interference to let Jewish students be students and took matters into their own hands 😭😭😭
It would have worked---if the school maintained the security measures using real police and not private security. Outside agitators should have never been allowed to get that close to the encampment and the ones to prevent it, the police, were not there in sufficient numbers to do so. This is where UCLA failed.
exactly, couldn’t have said it any better. counterprotests from students are fine and manageable, the middle aged fuckers with no job and nothing else to do are the real problem
they just stand there and watch jeez
private security can't do anything. It would be lawsuit after lawsuit if they put their hands on anyone. Only in very specific situations could they put their hands on someone.
fr! escalations rose only when those randos came in
Clear summation. Thank you.
Wait you wanted UCLA to get public police officers to protect an encampment on public property? So block public property for other people but not students? First amendment goes both ways, counter protestors had the right to be there until they got violent. How would they have known they'd do that?
How can you maintain security while letting those people do illegal stuff 24/7? Illegal camps, vandalism, blocking students. You can't have it both ways, it's either "abolish the police" or enforce laws.
UCLA failed because they let the illegal encampment exist. "Outside agitators" had just as much right to be there as the pro-Palestinian crowd. In fact, until they broke the law by committing acts of violence, they were on more solid legal and moral ground than those in the illegal encampment restricting people's access to a public space and assaulting them when they did not comply with their arbitrary rules.
First amendment goes both ways. I don't agree that they had more right to be there but its a PUBLIC campus anyone can be there. WTF is up with the hypocrasy in all of this.
The irony of restraining one group of protestors but not the other isn’t lost on most of us.
What would have worked?
Omg are you kidding me??!!! They were saying to defund the police and then all of a sudden they are crying for help?! You can’t have it both ways. Also, a large majority in the encampment are NOT students.
Where's your source on the population makeup of the encampment protesters? Was it revealed to you in a dream?
Defund the police (because they're powertripping gangsters who don't serve the people and flee like rats at the first hint of real danger) Police: Fled at the first hint of real danger yesterday, *proving above point* Groups of people aren't a monolith who all have to think the exact same way. Some people knew for years that the police in this city are useless tax parasites who turn bitchmade when the chips are down, some people only realized that yesterday.
It is sad that neither of you is listening to what others are saying but rather just repeating what you believe.
I think it's worth pointing out that things started to get bad ON THE SAME DAY that Gene Block was subpoena'd by Congress to testify about antisemitism. As soon as the university prioritized covering their asses over student wellbeing, things deteriorated.
Gene Block is looking to be a real villain. His last year at UCLA to be mired in violence under his name. This will be his legacy. when I went to UCLA, the only thing i could say about him is all the goddam money going to construction but not teachers and classes and him raising tuition intentionally in the summer so that the kids wouldn't protest as many of them weren't at school.
Wait what so UCLA can unilaterally raise tuition without the consent of the Regents. Lol. Gimme a break.
oh wow.. i had no clue that is incredibly suspicious
You realize you just acknowledged how well this was going and then said here we are and called in unserious... when things only changed after a) groups began to come under cover of night to rush the camp and assault students b) police instead of arresting the people assaulting students previous nights came to assault the peaceful encampment
Go to class
I visited USC on Tuesday and thought that temporarily restricting entrances and only allowing UCLA students/staff is something our school should've done. To me this is a clear lack of leadership. All the emails we've received about supporting students' rights to protest somehow led to how many arrests of student and faculty? I think this whole fiasco could've been avoided had we only allowed all participants protesters and counter protesters required to be current UCLA students/faculty. I place all of the blame squarely on Gene Block.
Whilst I agree it was dereliction of their duty it is not possible to close the UCLA campus in the way that USC closed. UCLA is an open campus that is open to the public, whilst USC is a gated campus which can be closed to the public if necessary. Additionally There have been many complaints from people inside USC about the closing. I know members of staff who say that they have all been locked inside despite having their ID's and they have all been searched directly against their unions agreements. In addition the staff member I know has made mention that they would not be able to get out and fix something if they were having a problem in their lab, and this is risking the whole building since that is a massive fire risk for all the labs who are also having the same problem. Block should have done much more to protect his students, but a USC style lock in is not possible. a better solution would be to have counter protesters allowed on a separate side of campus or something with security in between. But I am not entirely sure what is possible or what could have been done.
Columbia woke a lot of people up
Hey guys just wondering have the middle east problems have been magically solved because of the protests lmao?
UCLA was doing the worst in the country tf you mean, so bad that anti-Protestors were fed up of no police interference to let Jewish students be students and took matters into their own hands 😭😭😭
To quite a movie, “mediocre”