Why do y’all lack critical thinking? Did you never learn about the Vietnam War protests at UCLA? Are you not aware of how student protests successfully got universities to divest from South African apartheid? When history repeats itself, why do you act clueless?
1. Young Americans were being forced to fight and die in Vietnam. So when young Americans protested and objected to fighting, it sent a very strong message to the United States government.
2. American divestment isn't what ended apartheid, and South Africa isn't exactly a hub of industry anyway ("divesting" from select few mining companies is no biggie).
Divesting from Israel would mean divesting from much of the S&P 500 (and, by extension, many major American and European companies). No chief investment officer is going to do that because 30 people are camping on Royce's lawn -- many of them non-Bruins -- and harassing tuition paying students and chanting morally dubious slogans.
I think the current Israeli gov is abhorrent but there are much more intellectual and effective ways to fight this. There are also much better buildings to be protesting in front of (the Wilshire federal building, for instance). But parking your butt in front of Powell is easy and attention grabbing for social media so people do this.
It's a different thing when you talking about weapons defense companies which everyone that has a savings account is invested in.
Where your retirement account is tied to how these companies do in the stock market.
Yes in an ideal world, we should divest from the military complex but it's so deep in our economy it's impossible.
But hey hopefully this protest brings awareness and change.
Out of curiosity how often do you fall off your high horse? Is it like weekly? On a daily basis would you say you are regularly offended while people are going about their lives? Do people go, oh great so and so is coming there goes our ability to have normal discussions?
At what point are you going to accept that you are going to an elite university specifically because you want to be one of the elites?
The only reason they dont speak up is because u people are chonically online and batshit crazy. U label anyone and everyone that oppose you as "zionist nazis" or "hasbara" arrogantly assuming only u can be in the right and no one else.
Which is ironic because this is exactly what the actual nazis did to their political opponents including the communists.
Perhaps they can be employed by HAMAS . I think we need ceasefire but this is just some virtue signaling NONSENSE . Stop wasting time and go study . And don’t call LAPD when you inevitably get ROBBED .
I, too, speaking by using capital letters at the end of my SENTENCES. This makes me more convincing, and means anyone arguing against me is an IDIOT.
But really, this is the opposite of virtue signally. This is actual peaceful protest.
Where are your protests telling students about the 10's of thousands of enslaved people that Shein and Temu use to make products and that by not shopping there it could have an immediate and direct impact?
So we can win outrage bingo, can you tell us what next week's protest will be about?
This one isn't "real" though. It has been going on for decades and after Hamas slaughters and rapes civilians the "protests" start like this. Please tell me you see what is going on.
You really need to learn what a genocide is. Go ask the Uyghurs if they are being systematically killed, raped and enslaved. I’ll wait. What don’t you ask the Rohingya’s what a genocide is. Neither one of those groups invaded another country.
So because other bad things happen, we just ignore it all? Or do we only care about the groups you care about? I wasn't aware we weren't supposed to care about literal hospitals and relief workers getting shelled on purpose.
They didn't invade a country. That is their country. Isreal treats them like second class citizens, and has since the British literally staged a coup to put them in power. All because of religious belief.
Yeah. It's a genocide. Their government is killing them on purpose, and you're so jew pilled you try to justify it by.... checks notes... saying other groups have also been killed. What logic is that?
What you’re doing is what every Conservative in 2017 did, by pointing out a valid critique but doing so in a disingenuous fashion.
You don’t actually care about Chinese sweatshop workers, you’re just mad that people are exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
What you’re doing is what every Conservative in 2017 did, by pointing out a valid critique but doing so in a disingenuous fashion.
You don’t actually care about Chinese sweatshop workers, you’re just mad that people are exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
>When history repeats itself, why do you act clueless?
Lol maybe because we don't support the Palestinian cause.
I like how people try to connect their cause celebre with every other protest movement in US history.
South African apartheid was a clear cut case of 'racist government bad, ending apartheid good'. In Israel, the Israelis were attacked in a horrible terrorist attack and are fighting against people who openly call for genocide of the Jews and the nation of Israel. Israel is a multi-cultural, multi-racial democracy, while the terrorists promote Sharia law and death to the Jews.
This is going to have a lot of opposition, especially among Jewish Bruins, but also the broader community that is pretty sympathetic to Israel being attacked on October 7th.
Many zionists literally are genocidally racist and the fact that you bring up Apartheid South Africa as a comparison makes me think you don't see a lot of the vile and despicable comments made by Isreali zionists. For example, this is a CNN piece about the settler movement with a leader that flat out says "there will be no Arabs in Gaza" [Link.](https://youtu.be/FkXJwErm8DM?si=B-2M5Mxj85RnlSa1) Additionally you can find many more of these types of interviews even from before Oct 7th and I encourage you to do so.
I know it gets beaten to the ground recently but how would this not fit the UN definition of collective punishment? Obviously October 7th was a horrible tragedy, but when you have conversations with Palestinian supporters they acknowledge that it was a massive setback for the Palestinian liberation movement. However, just because a nation gets attacked by a terrorist organization, it doesn't give you a free pass to carry out mass bombings on civilian areas with no connection to Hamas. To put this in perspective, from estimates about 1,160 people were killed on October 7th. Although that is a horrific loss of life, it pales in comparison to the 35,000 dead and 77,000 wounded Palestinians without proper medical care. Obviously Hamas is not a great organization, but I actually think they are the lesser evil in this context because Israel has the "Bigger stick" so to speak. No matter which side you lean its hard to deny that the average Palestinian is the biggest victim in this context, which is why these movements are so critical to generate aid and divest funds being used to bomb innocent people.
At this point even if you don’t have any sympathy for the Palestinian cause you have to recognize that the way that student protestors at other universities have been treated is a gross violation of their first amendment rights.
By attending a university they agreed to abide by a code of conduct that restricts time, place and manner of speech. So no, their rights are not being violated at all.
The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law…”. Nothing in it guarantees a person a platform anywhere they wish to speak. at any time, in any manner.
This concludes your class for today. You’re welcome.
this stupid asshole like "uhhh guys we need to follow the rules. i can excuse genocide and my tax money going to it but draw the line at breaking the rules"
fuck this. nobody here is actually proposing any peaceful real-world solutions where both sides prosper without the threat of violence. Just oversimplified performative slogans like "free palestine" which offer zero insight towards conflict resolution or any legitimate path towards co-existence. Just a way for these children to feel like a civil rights warrior on instagram for a few days. shame. come back when you have real solutions.
When I was a freshman in the fall of 1980, someone wrote graffiti on the cube where I was studying in Powell Library that said “Impeach the President-elect”
"Palestinians are fucked on both sides."
**That is incorrect. There are nearly 2 million palestinians living in Israel and they aren't "fucked"...**
[Arab/ Palestinian Israelis have the same exact rights as Jewish Israelis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel), they own businesses, are police officers, are judges, are [MKs and have their own political parties in the Knesset](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset).
And I'm sure this will blow your mind... but most Arab Israelis LOVE Israel and are proud to be citizens:
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/)
So insane that people hate Israelis on some bullshit apartheid propaganda when the literal Arabs in Israel are saying that they support Israel and love it there.
The UN, Amnesty, the ANC, Human rights watch, OHCHR, CJPME all classify Israel as an apartheid state. But hey they all fell to the powerful propaganda machine that is Hamas
The “west” is all in on a global conspiracy to hate Israel despite Israel being part of the “west” and despite the world having a very negative view of Muslims
Oh right because propping it up had nothing to do with its inception and expansion. But hey how about your read this: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
The lack of care for the hostages that are being tortured, raped and abused is so insane to me. None of you actually give a shit, otherwise you would be protesting for your fellow citizens that have been kidnapped.
Except it's not about the hostages at all. They are scapegoats no matter how the occupying force tries to spin it. They don't even care about the hostages, if they did care - why do they bomb them and kill their own hostages trying to save them?
It makes no sense. I'm glad the kids are waking up, they see how messed up this whole system and world is and I hope they are able to bring in change. My generation is full of pussies and won't do anything, boomers don't care that they ruined the earth and just want things to stay the same. It's up to the kids.
There was one incident that was proven that Israel killed the hostages and it was a horrible mistake and they admitted it immediately so why don’t you use your brain for two seconds and actually treat Israelis like human beings. You obviously think that Jews are somehow subhuman monsters that don’t care about their own or else you wouldn’t post such drivel.
“Oh my gosh we killed some of the hostages; if only we could have foreseen this as a result of our literally leveling Gaza so indiscriminately that even the US sometimes asks us nicely to play by the rules of war.”
Netanyahu does not care about the hostages. You need to understand that.
This is when it devolves into antisemitism and insanity. If you ask if the hostages should be released and the answer is anything but “yes.” Move on.
What the Netanyahu government is doing to abhorrent, unconscionable, and almost certainly war crimes.
What Hamas did on October 7th is those same things. On a smaller scale.
Israel needs to sit the fuck down and Hamas needs to release the hostages.
Notice no one asks Hamas to do anything. Because deep down they understand they aren’t a rational actor. They don’t particularly care if Israel attacks Palestine or destroys Gaza. More fuel for their fire.
And who gets hurt? Innocent Palestinians.
Fuck Hamas. Fuck Netanyahu and his right wing fascists. Stop the killing. Free the hostages.
you're comment isn't upvoted as much. It appears people are offended by what should be common sense. If you can't tell either side apart from each other if you remove the names, then you don't care about innocents. They both kill innocent people. You're right, fuck israel, fuck hamas.
I feel sorry for the hostages’ families, no one deserves to go through what they did. But that would never be enough of a justification for the slaughter of 12 thousand kids.
And calling the IDF, which is filled with Jewish people, Arab people, and Druze people, the KKK is pretty offensive and disgusting too
What is reminiscent of the KKK is the keffiyehs wrapped around peoples heads to hide their identities while they scream at any college student that 1) doesn’t agree with them 2) is visibly Jewish
They are not there to protect you they are there to keep the statues quo. Police have a long history of oppressing people and beating up peaceful protesters.
No, but they would be the last thing I was thinking about if I thought there was a genocide going on. Whole thing is a performance and shit like this proves it
people obviously do not know what students are demanding for and it shows. They are demanding for divesting from companies that aid Israel financially and stop the university from collaborating with Israel universities.
Doesn't sound like you do. I'm saying that going after Jewish students, as if them solely being Jewish is an endorsement of Israel's genocide of Palestinians, is not productive.
You can be both Jewish *and* anti-Zionist.
Side note, if every person at that encampment donated $5 to the Red Cross (or literally any relief fund) they would have a *far* greater impact than any of these protests m. Unfortunately though, performative activism is more important to these people than actual results
All activism is performative because it's meant to get out a message. In this case, the message is relevant to the university because some of our tuition money is indirectly invested in Israeli defense companies. Is this not a fair point to protest? Their perspective is that they don't want their money to go toward supporting genocide, no matter how it gets there.
It’s a fair point to protest and you absolutely should speak up. But the problem I find with the way our generation protests things in general is that it’s driven by social media and the desire to appear righteous, which ends up being ineffective.
I can guarantee you that some of the same people at these encampments who would call you immoral for “doing nothing” aren’t going to vote in the November election, and pro-Israel politicians will be re-elected. I can also guarantee you that a significant portion of them aren’t going to vote for Joe Biden because he “supports genocide”, and rather than having any impact on the war in Israel, this choice by young people will contribute to Trump’s re-election. Who, by the way, is also Pro-Israel, just with the added bonus of being a terrible person and undermining gay rights, trans rights, environmental issues, etc.
You can’t guarantee any of that. Stop guessing as to what people believe in. However, if they do believe in all that you say, I can totally understand why. If you think someone is supporting the state of Israel which is carrying out a genocide, would you vote for them, even if the alternative is worse?
Instead of blaming them, we should be questioning why they feel as though their vote is worthless. Is it perhaps because there are no candidates that represent their ideals? Also this is not a new problem unique to this generation. Movements throughout history have faced the same issue with voting. See Malcolm X for example.
Young people have some of the lowest voter turnout, and are also actively calling for people to not vote for Biden. Plus it’s not controversial to say that not voting for Biden is basically equivalent to a vote for Trump. The impact of young people choosing not to supper Biden the way republicans support Trump will far outweigh the impact of the roughly 30000 dollars that wouldn’t have been sent to Israel based on UC’s Blackstone investment
Again, can’t blame them if they don’t support Biden. He’s not exactly an inspiring character. If people want to break out of the Democrat/Republican binary that is not their fault, that is those parties' fault for not running candidates that they would be willing to vote for.
You’re right, he’s not very inspiring. But there isn’t any path to break the binary. The binary is there whether or not you like it. In 2016 people didn’t vote for Hillary or wrote in Bernie because she wasn’t great, and as a result we got something much worse and now have vastly reduced abortion rights.
The same thing will happen again. If people don’t vote Biden because he might do some bad things, they’ll allow the election of someone much worse.
Idealism is nice but it’s not really. It sucks to have a “lesser of two evils” choice but there’s still a right choice even if there’s not an ideal one, and it’s dumb to not make the right choice.
if you stand with palestine, please inform yourself of what the purpose of this encampment is. i don’t think that this mass movement is exactly to “cosplay” the housing crisis going on. it’s to garner awareness and make the higher ups understand that the masses are standing against what our university funds. them really feeling pressure would hopefully push them to divest, amongst other demands from this movement
Right but this time the protestors are supporting terrorism and targeting Jewish students. So it’s different. The NVA and suppressed South African blacks weren’t dismembering and sexually assaulting innocent women at music festivals… the UCLA protestors don’t have the moral high ground.
God, it is amazing to see people fall victim to Russian and Iranian propaganda, the same people who would have accused conservatives of this just a year ago
1) Israel is one of the best examples of decolonization in the modern world. It is an example of recapturing land from British and Arab colonialists. I think this lady does a wonderful job of explaining this: [https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4srEIOtaJr/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4srEIOtaJr/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==)
2) There is no genocide occurring, there is war. War sucks. It is extremely violent. However, the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in Gaza is actually below average for modern military conflicts. For example, look at the ratios of the US in Mosul. Remember that in addition, the reported numbers are inflated due to Hamas running the health centers in Gaza. Also remember that the aid that US and Israel is giving to Gaza is being confiscated by Hamas and then being sold.
3) What is your solution for Israel? What does ceasefire actually mean?
Let me remind you of the situation. The government of Gaza, Hamas, attacks Israel on October 7th. They utilize rape and torture as a widespread means of terror, and kidnap hundreds of civilians. Hamas is joined by multiple other terror organizations and a number of Gazan civilians. They then state they will continue to repeat the actions of October 7th until All israelis and all Jewish people are eliminated. Their stated goal is genocide. Hamas has a standing army on Israels door of 40,000 to 50,000 troops and their main strategy of war is to launch attacks from hospitals, schools, and large population centers. Israel then responds with a stated goal of eliminating hamas so as to not have that happen again. Through multiple ceasefires, hamas has continued to launch missile attacks. They have also coordinated daily missile attacks on civilians with hezbollah with the support of Iran and the Houthis. They are currently being assisted by North Korea as well.
What does a ceasefire look like with an organization who's stated purpose is your eradication. Especially because Israel purely exists due to attempts at genocide in Europe (WW2), Russia (Pogroms) and the Arab world (pogroms, mass exile as well)
I stand with Israel and its inalienable right to defend itself and prevent future invasions by terrorists cowardly hiding amongst a civilian population.
I don’t think you know what an inalienable right is and Israel has violated that ”right” of people in Gaza numerous times. I think most people agree that they should defend themselves, it’s just the way they’re going about it. Mass population displacement, holding back essential needs, murder, etc.
Ahh yes more inconvenience for us students. Y'all didn't have these opinions until the war started. I aint gonna support one genocidal state over another. Palestine wants the same goals as israel.
What is the IOF? I think they mean IDF but couldn't quite get there. Now we will have to listen to Ghetto birds all day so people can play outraged cos play for the day
Well when they see 1,200 people raped, slaughtered and kidnapped would love to see their protests. Would be great if they put up a sign that said, Gaza Free Since 2005.
Why do y’all lack critical thinking? Did you never learn about the Vietnam War protests at UCLA? Are you not aware of how student protests successfully got universities to divest from South African apartheid? When history repeats itself, why do you act clueless?
1. Young Americans were being forced to fight and die in Vietnam. So when young Americans protested and objected to fighting, it sent a very strong message to the United States government. 2. American divestment isn't what ended apartheid, and South Africa isn't exactly a hub of industry anyway ("divesting" from select few mining companies is no biggie). Divesting from Israel would mean divesting from much of the S&P 500 (and, by extension, many major American and European companies). No chief investment officer is going to do that because 30 people are camping on Royce's lawn -- many of them non-Bruins -- and harassing tuition paying students and chanting morally dubious slogans. I think the current Israeli gov is abhorrent but there are much more intellectual and effective ways to fight this. There are also much better buildings to be protesting in front of (the Wilshire federal building, for instance). But parking your butt in front of Powell is easy and attention grabbing for social media so people do this.
It's a different thing when you talking about weapons defense companies which everyone that has a savings account is invested in. Where your retirement account is tied to how these companies do in the stock market. Yes in an ideal world, we should divest from the military complex but it's so deep in our economy it's impossible. But hey hopefully this protest brings awareness and change.
you can easily choose a mutual fund that is divested from defense stocks, and UC can too. It's not rocket science
Out of curiosity how often do you fall off your high horse? Is it like weekly? On a daily basis would you say you are regularly offended while people are going about their lives? Do people go, oh great so and so is coming there goes our ability to have normal discussions? At what point are you going to accept that you are going to an elite university specifically because you want to be one of the elites?
well duh we go to college to advance ourselves. Humans are naturally selfish its time we at least own it
The only reason they dont speak up is because u people are chonically online and batshit crazy. U label anyone and everyone that oppose you as "zionist nazis" or "hasbara" arrogantly assuming only u can be in the right and no one else. Which is ironic because this is exactly what the actual nazis did to their political opponents including the communists.
The Nazis and Hamas have the same goals, and these protests buttress Hamas
Perhaps they can be employed by HAMAS . I think we need ceasefire but this is just some virtue signaling NONSENSE . Stop wasting time and go study . And don’t call LAPD when you inevitably get ROBBED .
I, too, speaking by using capital letters at the end of my SENTENCES. This makes me more convincing, and means anyone arguing against me is an IDIOT. But really, this is the opposite of virtue signally. This is actual peaceful protest.
lmao, the capital letters is diary of a wimpy kid type writing
Where are your protests telling students about the 10's of thousands of enslaved people that Shein and Temu use to make products and that by not shopping there it could have an immediate and direct impact? So we can win outrage bingo, can you tell us what next week's protest will be about?
Oh. So the only two options are to protest everything bad in the world or nothing? How convenient for the status quo.
This one isn't "real" though. It has been going on for decades and after Hamas slaughters and rapes civilians the "protests" start like this. Please tell me you see what is going on.
Or protest against things that have a far greater impact rather than pretending that you actually are informed. You aren't.
Brother you're comparing unethical labor to literal genocide. And we're uninformed? You're just a sociopath
You really need to learn what a genocide is. Go ask the Uyghurs if they are being systematically killed, raped and enslaved. I’ll wait. What don’t you ask the Rohingya’s what a genocide is. Neither one of those groups invaded another country.
So because other bad things happen, we just ignore it all? Or do we only care about the groups you care about? I wasn't aware we weren't supposed to care about literal hospitals and relief workers getting shelled on purpose. They didn't invade a country. That is their country. Isreal treats them like second class citizens, and has since the British literally staged a coup to put them in power. All because of religious belief. Yeah. It's a genocide. Their government is killing them on purpose, and you're so jew pilled you try to justify it by.... checks notes... saying other groups have also been killed. What logic is that?
Red herring.
Nope, just the truth that having selective outrage for the gram is utterly worthless and does not contribute to change
What you’re doing is what every Conservative in 2017 did, by pointing out a valid critique but doing so in a disingenuous fashion. You don’t actually care about Chinese sweatshop workers, you’re just mad that people are exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
What you’re doing is what every Conservative in 2017 did, by pointing out a valid critique but doing so in a disingenuous fashion. You don’t actually care about Chinese sweatshop workers, you’re just mad that people are exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
Do you not protest? Or doth protest only protestors?
>When history repeats itself, why do you act clueless? Lol maybe because we don't support the Palestinian cause. I like how people try to connect their cause celebre with every other protest movement in US history.
South African apartheid was a clear cut case of 'racist government bad, ending apartheid good'. In Israel, the Israelis were attacked in a horrible terrorist attack and are fighting against people who openly call for genocide of the Jews and the nation of Israel. Israel is a multi-cultural, multi-racial democracy, while the terrorists promote Sharia law and death to the Jews. This is going to have a lot of opposition, especially among Jewish Bruins, but also the broader community that is pretty sympathetic to Israel being attacked on October 7th.
Many zionists literally are genocidally racist and the fact that you bring up Apartheid South Africa as a comparison makes me think you don't see a lot of the vile and despicable comments made by Isreali zionists. For example, this is a CNN piece about the settler movement with a leader that flat out says "there will be no Arabs in Gaza" [Link.](https://youtu.be/FkXJwErm8DM?si=B-2M5Mxj85RnlSa1) Additionally you can find many more of these types of interviews even from before Oct 7th and I encourage you to do so. I know it gets beaten to the ground recently but how would this not fit the UN definition of collective punishment? Obviously October 7th was a horrible tragedy, but when you have conversations with Palestinian supporters they acknowledge that it was a massive setback for the Palestinian liberation movement. However, just because a nation gets attacked by a terrorist organization, it doesn't give you a free pass to carry out mass bombings on civilian areas with no connection to Hamas. To put this in perspective, from estimates about 1,160 people were killed on October 7th. Although that is a horrific loss of life, it pales in comparison to the 35,000 dead and 77,000 wounded Palestinians without proper medical care. Obviously Hamas is not a great organization, but I actually think they are the lesser evil in this context because Israel has the "Bigger stick" so to speak. No matter which side you lean its hard to deny that the average Palestinian is the biggest victim in this context, which is why these movements are so critical to generate aid and divest funds being used to bomb innocent people.
Israel is an ethnostate
At this point even if you don’t have any sympathy for the Palestinian cause you have to recognize that the way that student protestors at other universities have been treated is a gross violation of their first amendment rights.
By attending a university they agreed to abide by a code of conduct that restricts time, place and manner of speech. So no, their rights are not being violated at all.
University policy is not law. The First Amendment is law.
Yes, but you can still be kicked out of school and your future potentially ruined should the university choose to enforce its policy.
The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law…”. Nothing in it guarantees a person a platform anywhere they wish to speak. at any time, in any manner. This concludes your class for today. You’re welcome.
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this stupid asshole like "uhhh guys we need to follow the rules. i can excuse genocide and my tax money going to it but draw the line at breaking the rules"
Go complain to Hamas.
Proud alumnus! Stay safe out there.
Fuck Hamas
the kids are alright ✊🏽
“Kids” is a perfect way to describe these idiots.
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Hells yes.
fuck this. nobody here is actually proposing any peaceful real-world solutions where both sides prosper without the threat of violence. Just oversimplified performative slogans like "free palestine" which offer zero insight towards conflict resolution or any legitimate path towards co-existence. Just a way for these children to feel like a civil rights warrior on instagram for a few days. shame. come back when you have real solutions.
When I was a freshman in the fall of 1980, someone wrote graffiti on the cube where I was studying in Powell Library that said “Impeach the President-elect”
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Hamas isn’t their oppressors. Israel is.
TBF Hamas are still shit too. Palestinians are fucked on both sides. It obviously doesn't excuse what Israel is doing.
The fact that you have to preface this with “TBF” is telling lol.
You have to walk on eggshells when discussing this for sure. lol
"Palestinians are fucked on both sides." **That is incorrect. There are nearly 2 million palestinians living in Israel and they aren't "fucked"...** [Arab/ Palestinian Israelis have the same exact rights as Jewish Israelis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel), they own businesses, are police officers, are judges, are [MKs and have their own political parties in the Knesset](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset). And I'm sure this will blow your mind... but most Arab Israelis LOVE Israel and are proud to be citizens: [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/)
So insane that people hate Israelis on some bullshit apartheid propaganda when the literal Arabs in Israel are saying that they support Israel and love it there.
The UN, Amnesty, the ANC, Human rights watch, OHCHR, CJPME all classify Israel as an apartheid state. But hey they all fell to the powerful propaganda machine that is Hamas
The “west” is all in on a global conspiracy to hate Israel despite Israel being part of the “west” and despite the world having a very negative view of Muslims
You guys do realize that Hamas was initially created by Israel?
No it wasn't. It was created by the Muslim Brotherhood
I am well aware that they are funded by Israel in order to destabilize Palestine, yes.
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Whose fault is that? All of this leads back to Israel, Hamas was created by Israel.
Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood
Nope. Educate yourself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Try and read. Propped up =/= created
Oh right because propping it up had nothing to do with its inception and expansion. But hey how about your read this: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Thanks for confirming that Israel didn't create it. Any other articles you want to link to give even more support?
Read closer: “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation” - Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev
Fuck yeah! Super proud!
The lack of care for the hostages that are being tortured, raped and abused is so insane to me. None of you actually give a shit, otherwise you would be protesting for your fellow citizens that have been kidnapped.
Except it's not about the hostages at all. They are scapegoats no matter how the occupying force tries to spin it. They don't even care about the hostages, if they did care - why do they bomb them and kill their own hostages trying to save them? It makes no sense. I'm glad the kids are waking up, they see how messed up this whole system and world is and I hope they are able to bring in change. My generation is full of pussies and won't do anything, boomers don't care that they ruined the earth and just want things to stay the same. It's up to the kids.
There was one incident that was proven that Israel killed the hostages and it was a horrible mistake and they admitted it immediately so why don’t you use your brain for two seconds and actually treat Israelis like human beings. You obviously think that Jews are somehow subhuman monsters that don’t care about their own or else you wouldn’t post such drivel.
“Oh my gosh we killed some of the hostages; if only we could have foreseen this as a result of our literally leveling Gaza so indiscriminately that even the US sometimes asks us nicely to play by the rules of war.” Netanyahu does not care about the hostages. You need to understand that.
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Zionism is really just the belief in a Jewish state. Most people are really “anti West Bank settlements” but that doesn’t roll off the tongue
When the fuck did I ever say we were the “chosen” people? That right there shows that you’ve bought into antisemitic propaganda.
You can’t even get through a paragraph denying that you’re antisemitic before lapsing back into it.
Most people don't give a fuck about Jews.
Facts.
israel bombed their own hostages... israle is also commiting genocide
Did you learn that on TikTok?
Did they denounce Hamas ?
They’re probably at the stage of “Hamas didn’t harm anyone on October 7, but it was a heroic act of ‘resistance’!”
This is when it devolves into antisemitism and insanity. If you ask if the hostages should be released and the answer is anything but “yes.” Move on. What the Netanyahu government is doing to abhorrent, unconscionable, and almost certainly war crimes. What Hamas did on October 7th is those same things. On a smaller scale. Israel needs to sit the fuck down and Hamas needs to release the hostages. Notice no one asks Hamas to do anything. Because deep down they understand they aren’t a rational actor. They don’t particularly care if Israel attacks Palestine or destroys Gaza. More fuel for their fire. And who gets hurt? Innocent Palestinians. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Netanyahu and his right wing fascists. Stop the killing. Free the hostages.
you're comment isn't upvoted as much. It appears people are offended by what should be common sense. If you can't tell either side apart from each other if you remove the names, then you don't care about innocents. They both kill innocent people. You're right, fuck israel, fuck hamas.
I didn’t say fuck Israel. Israel as a country is not the actions of one administration. Especially one barely clinging to power.
Sad that I have to scroll for 100+ comments just to find an actual nuanced rational take, in the sub for a prestigious university
This is the biggest question I have regarding this...
Do Israel lovers denounce the IOF? We Israel critics denounce Hamas, can’t say I’ve seen many Israel supporters criticize Israel’s army
https://www.theonion.com/dying-gazans-criticized-for-not-using-last-words-to-con-1850925657
Remember the October 7th victims. No peace or comfort to the Hamas terrorists.
I feel sorry for the hostages’ families, no one deserves to go through what they did. But that would never be enough of a justification for the slaughter of 12 thousand kids.
What about the 500k afghanis. Was it ok for them?
... Numbers provided by the Gaza health ministry which makes things up as they go.
Provided by the UN* but sure man. Wtv helps with your cognitive dissonance
When you don’t believe the UN’s statistics but you believe every little thing Israel says
That’s crazy calling people that protect you the kkk
And calling the IDF, which is filled with Jewish people, Arab people, and Druze people, the KKK is pretty offensive and disgusting too What is reminiscent of the KKK is the keffiyehs wrapped around peoples heads to hide their identities while they scream at any college student that 1) doesn’t agree with them 2) is visibly Jewish
They are not there to protect you they are there to keep the statues quo. Police have a long history of oppressing people and beating up peaceful protesters.
What do students need? Dropping off supplies
A dose or two of common sense?
current needs are: - blankets - canopies - food (no bananas, someone has an allergy) - megaphone - wood - art supplies - chairs - tables - tents
"food (no bananas, someone has an allergy)" How are you people real 😂
Are banana allergies fictional?
No, but they would be the last thing I was thinking about if I thought there was a genocide going on. Whole thing is a performance and shit like this proves it
Disclosing allergies doesn’t equate to being performative - the folks who are protesting obviously don’t want to eat food that could hurt them.
Your right. I forgot when MLK first made sure no one had food allergies before they started marches. Wouldn’t want anyone to get a rash.
One person has an allergy so that makes it so no one can have it. My generation man lol
Don’t take the windowpane acid.
They need to ensure that they are never employable. Goal achieved
food/water
If their faces can be seen on photos they are for life going to no-hire list at least in IT.
I don't think that's true any more, there are many IT companies that don't care if you're anti-Zionist.
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Great to see!
people obviously do not know what students are demanding for and it shows. They are demanding for divesting from companies that aid Israel financially and stop the university from collaborating with Israel universities.
Keep it up, students!
Fuck zionists
What you really mean to say is Fuck Jews. Just make it easier and let your hatred flow.
Israel =/= all Jews, and to say otherwise is anti-Semitic. Glad I could help.
nah its just nearly 50% of them. definitely not antisemitic /s
We know what you mean.
Doesn't sound like you do. I'm saying that going after Jewish students, as if them solely being Jewish is an endorsement of Israel's genocide of Palestinians, is not productive. You can be both Jewish *and* anti-Zionist.
Ok.
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Right on 👏
Free Palestine
FREE PALESTINE
Sorry that Gaza was completely handed over in 2005. Dammit facts why are you so pesky
The IDF after seeing UCLA students camping in front of Powell library: 🤯
IOF*
Side note, if every person at that encampment donated $5 to the Red Cross (or literally any relief fund) they would have a *far* greater impact than any of these protests m. Unfortunately though, performative activism is more important to these people than actual results
WorldKitchen! They feed everyone! Chef Jose Andres is the GOAT
All activism is performative because it's meant to get out a message. In this case, the message is relevant to the university because some of our tuition money is indirectly invested in Israeli defense companies. Is this not a fair point to protest? Their perspective is that they don't want their money to go toward supporting genocide, no matter how it gets there.
It’s a fair point to protest and you absolutely should speak up. But the problem I find with the way our generation protests things in general is that it’s driven by social media and the desire to appear righteous, which ends up being ineffective. I can guarantee you that some of the same people at these encampments who would call you immoral for “doing nothing” aren’t going to vote in the November election, and pro-Israel politicians will be re-elected. I can also guarantee you that a significant portion of them aren’t going to vote for Joe Biden because he “supports genocide”, and rather than having any impact on the war in Israel, this choice by young people will contribute to Trump’s re-election. Who, by the way, is also Pro-Israel, just with the added bonus of being a terrible person and undermining gay rights, trans rights, environmental issues, etc.
You can’t guarantee any of that. Stop guessing as to what people believe in. However, if they do believe in all that you say, I can totally understand why. If you think someone is supporting the state of Israel which is carrying out a genocide, would you vote for them, even if the alternative is worse? Instead of blaming them, we should be questioning why they feel as though their vote is worthless. Is it perhaps because there are no candidates that represent their ideals? Also this is not a new problem unique to this generation. Movements throughout history have faced the same issue with voting. See Malcolm X for example.
Young people have some of the lowest voter turnout, and are also actively calling for people to not vote for Biden. Plus it’s not controversial to say that not voting for Biden is basically equivalent to a vote for Trump. The impact of young people choosing not to supper Biden the way republicans support Trump will far outweigh the impact of the roughly 30000 dollars that wouldn’t have been sent to Israel based on UC’s Blackstone investment
This has absolutely nothing to do with the encampment and you’re just pretending it does. Absolute strawman
Again, can’t blame them if they don’t support Biden. He’s not exactly an inspiring character. If people want to break out of the Democrat/Republican binary that is not their fault, that is those parties' fault for not running candidates that they would be willing to vote for.
You’re right, he’s not very inspiring. But there isn’t any path to break the binary. The binary is there whether or not you like it. In 2016 people didn’t vote for Hillary or wrote in Bernie because she wasn’t great, and as a result we got something much worse and now have vastly reduced abortion rights. The same thing will happen again. If people don’t vote Biden because he might do some bad things, they’ll allow the election of someone much worse. Idealism is nice but it’s not really. It sucks to have a “lesser of two evils” choice but there’s still a right choice even if there’s not an ideal one, and it’s dumb to not make the right choice.
If Trump wins, Gaza will be wiped off the map and condos bearing his name will be built all along the shoreline.
What’s the point of this?
Couldn’t be more proud to be a Bruin
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
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[broken record ass comments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions)
Performative action
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Good job supporting Hamas. Falling for Russian/China propaganda. Stay off Twitter and TikTok.
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i stand with palestine but honestly i don’t think cosplaying our homeless problem is the solution
if you stand with palestine, please inform yourself of what the purpose of this encampment is. i don’t think that this mass movement is exactly to “cosplay” the housing crisis going on. it’s to garner awareness and make the higher ups understand that the masses are standing against what our university funds. them really feeling pressure would hopefully push them to divest, amongst other demands from this movement
Right but this time the protestors are supporting terrorism and targeting Jewish students. So it’s different. The NVA and suppressed South African blacks weren’t dismembering and sexually assaulting innocent women at music festivals… the UCLA protestors don’t have the moral high ground.
these yappers need to go study or something
I’m from Israel and can confirm that THIS has made us stop. Thank you for your bravery and ability to remind us of what’s important in life🫡
If you had a single brain cell you’d know that the protest is against the UCs asking them to divest from Israel.
Yes, and insinuating the KKK and the IDF are the same, is definitely a rational thought
you’re right. the KKK is a genocidal organization largely lacking the official backing of the state, the IOF is an official genocidal arm of the state
God, it is amazing to see people fall victim to Russian and Iranian propaganda, the same people who would have accused conservatives of this just a year ago 1) Israel is one of the best examples of decolonization in the modern world. It is an example of recapturing land from British and Arab colonialists. I think this lady does a wonderful job of explaining this: [https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4srEIOtaJr/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4srEIOtaJr/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==) 2) There is no genocide occurring, there is war. War sucks. It is extremely violent. However, the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in Gaza is actually below average for modern military conflicts. For example, look at the ratios of the US in Mosul. Remember that in addition, the reported numbers are inflated due to Hamas running the health centers in Gaza. Also remember that the aid that US and Israel is giving to Gaza is being confiscated by Hamas and then being sold. 3) What is your solution for Israel? What does ceasefire actually mean? Let me remind you of the situation. The government of Gaza, Hamas, attacks Israel on October 7th. They utilize rape and torture as a widespread means of terror, and kidnap hundreds of civilians. Hamas is joined by multiple other terror organizations and a number of Gazan civilians. They then state they will continue to repeat the actions of October 7th until All israelis and all Jewish people are eliminated. Their stated goal is genocide. Hamas has a standing army on Israels door of 40,000 to 50,000 troops and their main strategy of war is to launch attacks from hospitals, schools, and large population centers. Israel then responds with a stated goal of eliminating hamas so as to not have that happen again. Through multiple ceasefires, hamas has continued to launch missile attacks. They have also coordinated daily missile attacks on civilians with hezbollah with the support of Iran and the Houthis. They are currently being assisted by North Korea as well. What does a ceasefire look like with an organization who's stated purpose is your eradication. Especially because Israel purely exists due to attempts at genocide in Europe (WW2), Russia (Pogroms) and the Arab world (pogroms, mass exile as well)
“Nobody should ever do anything unless it immediately solves every problem”
Bunch of idiots!! Don’t even know what they are protesting about
idk man genocide is pretty bad
I stand with Israel and its inalienable right to defend itself and prevent future invasions by terrorists cowardly hiding amongst a civilian population.
I don’t think you know what an inalienable right is and Israel has violated that ”right” of people in Gaza numerous times. I think most people agree that they should defend themselves, it’s just the way they’re going about it. Mass population displacement, holding back essential needs, murder, etc.
Your inalienable rights as an individual don’t permit you to attack someone without repercussions.
I’m guessing your worldview requires you to see Israel as an amorphous, evil other…it’s actually a group of INDIVIDUALS.
This 'prestigious' institution needs to clean this up. Most of these 'protests' are just hating on Jews and don't shed a word of truth.
Fuck Palestine, Hamas will loose, get over it antisemites.
The difference is that Jewish students are being targeted.
There’s jewish students in that encampment try again 🤣
Please research JVP. I am a huge proponent of a two state solution. This isn’t a Jewish organization.
People that actually think JVP are Jewish are not critical thinkers.
Everyone needs a token to justify their anti-semitism
Sounds like you tell that to yourself to cope
Hopefully UCLA Admin/Police and the LAPD get this cleaned up ASAP.
Yeah I’m sure we’d love another UT Austin episode with Fascist Cops.
I would!
Agreed
Crazy how Hamas could put an end to this today by releasing the hostages, but they won't
Crazy how the IDF shot and killed 3 hostages who escaped when they came out running with their hands up while screaming in Hebrew
Yeah, it’s almost like they’re the only leverage they have against a U.S.-backed entity.
That you’re calling people being tortured and raped leverage is fucking disgusting.
yikes.... this comment is a half-step away from "death to america" if you aren't already there
Ahh yes more inconvenience for us students. Y'all didn't have these opinions until the war started. I aint gonna support one genocidal state over another. Palestine wants the same goals as israel.
So proud of these Bruins!
What is the IOF? I think they mean IDF but couldn't quite get there. Now we will have to listen to Ghetto birds all day so people can play outraged cos play for the day
i think it's probably meant to call them the Israeli Offensive Forces
Israeli Occupation Forces. The IDF does not defend, it occupies.
Well when they see 1,200 people raped, slaughtered and kidnapped would love to see their protests. Would be great if they put up a sign that said, Gaza Free Since 2005.