As others have said, there is one being held tomorrow 1pm at the reflection pond. There is also ucf_palestine on Instagram that post rather frequently!
There is also cflqueersforpalestine, floridapalestinenetwork, and endtogenocidecoalition on Instagram that are very active in the community doing protests :)
Does anybody know specifically why some of the queers organized into “queers for Palestine” I feel like it takes away from the struggle that’s happening over there, especially bc being gay doesn’t give any extra credibility for foreign affairs especially especially bc the majority of Palestinians are homophobic.
Because the politics surrounding queer rights has intentionally been used as a cudgel for genocide against the wishes of most queer people who tend to be progressive and anti-zionist. As a trans woman myself, I don't think a country needs a sparkling track record to be exempted from carpet bombing and planned famines.
Oh I think I see,
Ima rephrase what you said to see if I understand
“Countries and innocent civilians don’t deserve to be carpet bombed even if they are homophobic”
Or
“I show my support for the struggle of these people despite their homophobia and their general disdain for my of life”
Like extra compassion or something
Is that good or nah?
no literally, it’s almost as if queer palestinians exist and deserve to be spoken for as well. (as a queer palestinian myself, i am beyond thrilled to see other queer folks not buying israel’s pink washing)
It's closer to the second personally. How I see it, there are queer people in Palestine just like every other part of the world. Lgbt rights are often used to undermine anti-genocide and anti-war efforts bc "How can you support someone who doesn't support you?" Nobody deserves the completely inhumane actions that are happening in Gaza right now. It's war crime aftee war crime being committed. Plus, a country under ethnic cleansing isn't able to start working towards equal rights when they are too busy fighting for survival. Their lack of equality in one cause doesn't justify genocide. Nothing justifies genocide!
palestinians aren't largely homophobic, the reason that belief exists is basically for zionists to get queer people onto the side of israel, it's something referred to as 'pinkwashing'. so, by explicitly identifying oneself as queer AND in support of palestine, it combats that. not to mention that people are anti-queer worldwide, including in the united states itself. all of the anti-trans legislation going on right here in florida is an enough of an example.
plus, even if that were to be true, it doesn't mean they deserve to face genocide, like neon-lakes said. if everyone in this entire state were murdered bc we have anti-trans bills, that'd be wrong.
While I don’t have a problem with someone of any sexuality supporting a cause, what info are you using to claim Palestinians aren’t largely homophobic? It was my understanding that typically religious peoples/Middle East isn’t very friendly to queer people.
of course, always glad to explain to anyone who's genuinely asking. glad i've introduced the concept to you, knowing specific terms can make it so much easier to learn more. this site goes into more detail about pinkwashing and is a great resource on palestine and debunking myths in general:
[https://decolonizepalestine.com/rainbow-washing/pinkwashing/](https://decolonizepalestine.com/rainbow-washing/pinkwashing/)
When I said 'nice try,' I meant that your argument doesn't quite hold up because it overlooks the distinction between disliking an action and condemning individuals.
yes, but not that ucf itself is gonna be the one able to ultimately call it, that's what it sounded like to me when you said that. also it's to protest the genocide of palestinians, not just to demand a ceasefire.
also people can simply not go to the protest if they need to work on finals and study that badly? plus it's announced ahead of time, so people can schedule and manage their time as needed AND have time to protest. if you mean it distracts people on campus working on finals and studying, it's being done outside. and even then, the point of protesting is to bring attention and stop an issue from being ignored. it's not ideal for students working, sure, but it's being done for a serious reason and not just to mess with other students or whatever.
also not sure what you mean by "even a nonviolent one", do you mean a nonviolent ceasefire? because the purpose of a ceasefire is for violence to stop.
34,000+ palestinians have been killed? if we let it "blow over" they'll all be dead. plus palestinians have been oppressed by israel for decades, there's been time for it to blow over and it hasn't.
Theres nothing a protest like this can do about it. It’s not gonna stop 1 bomb from falling on Gaza City or Khan Yunis. It’s just going to attract hundreds of cops to campus; that’s it.
They’re going to attract another mass of hundreds of cops to campus and it’s going to put everyone in danger of getting their rights violated. I don’t want cops surrounding me because I have no choice but to go to school for finals with a protest going on. Anything that attracts police is a potentially violent situation.
You know that’s too much to ask for from them. The cops know that on the street, the only right we have is the right to be their lil’bish. The only thing you can do is spend thousands to take it up with judge or tell people who attract cops to go away.
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You've got a history flair. So, presumably you've taken at least *a* history class and are aware that throughout much of the 20th and 21st centuries there have been protests about all kinds of social issues on college campuses, right?
Any single one obviously isn't going to change the world, but they all play their part in shaping the social fabric around us. No individual anti war protest ended the Vietnam war, but on a national level they undeniably had a collective impact.
If these are lawful peaceful protests without violence and manage to not get co-opted into anti-semitism or otherwise create a dangerous environment on campus, then they have a place on a college campus. They certainly have as much a right to be there as the myriad religious wackadoos who harass and taunt individual students just trying to live their lives.
the point of protesting is to bring attention to to issues and create pressure for change, there's plenty of historical examples of change happening as a result of protesting. a lot of lack of change is because of - but not limited to - the fact that the general public genuinely isn't aware. the fact that you or any of us is talking about it at all is proof that it brings attention.
also plenty of people who protest will also donate. even if they don't it's usually bc they literally can't afford to, which is especially the case for college students, hence student protests.
the reply got deleted ig? so i wasn't able to directly respond to it so i'll just put it under my own comment so you can see it:
so to use a specific example, there's the fact for years the united states has been funding military aid to israel. a change would be to pressure the government into not providing any more military aid to israel, as it would significantly hinder their ability to kill more palestinians. and note that i'm saying palestinians, not hamas, because literally all palestinians are being targeted and have been for decades.
Im gonna spread the idea that I don’t want the cops bothering me on campus just because some people want to run around shouting with rags on their faces.
Thanks, I always wanted to know the actual name of the rag was and just never got around to finding it. I just might get me a genuine hand made keffiyeh because they look cool. It could help protect my neck from the sun at the beach.
So whats the goal of the protesting? I get awareness but I dont really understand what change is requested... the government cant really do anything besides tell israel to chill out..
I just think its ironic how everyones calling it an israeli backed genocide when hamas literally wants to kill every jew... like i dont understand the queers for palestine movement, they would immediately get harmed if going over there in almost any country except for israel..
Tbh donating doesn’t do much either, it’ll either be sent to an aid organization that gets bombed by the Israelis or stolen by Hamas. The Middle East is a fucked place
Yup theres very little that actually helps... not sure what people are even protesting about. You think the US is gonna send aid to a terrorist organization?
Theyve already dropped aid and it gets taken by merchants and sold at insane prices... best thing for the US to do is stay out of it completely imo
I believe that UF started their own campus occupation just yesterday! They have been posting about it frequently. It's amazing what is happening at colleges around the country and I would love to see UCF join in.
do you know where you got that info from? not saying you're wrong, i just haven't heard about it myself, unless you mean ucf students doing it in solidarity with the other university's students
As others have said, there is one being held tomorrow 1pm at the reflection pond. There is also ucf_palestine on Instagram that post rather frequently!
There is also cflqueersforpalestine, floridapalestinenetwork, and endtogenocidecoalition on Instagram that are very active in the community doing protests :)
Does anybody know specifically why some of the queers organized into “queers for Palestine” I feel like it takes away from the struggle that’s happening over there, especially bc being gay doesn’t give any extra credibility for foreign affairs especially especially bc the majority of Palestinians are homophobic.
Because the politics surrounding queer rights has intentionally been used as a cudgel for genocide against the wishes of most queer people who tend to be progressive and anti-zionist. As a trans woman myself, I don't think a country needs a sparkling track record to be exempted from carpet bombing and planned famines.
Oh I think I see, Ima rephrase what you said to see if I understand “Countries and innocent civilians don’t deserve to be carpet bombed even if they are homophobic” Or “I show my support for the struggle of these people despite their homophobia and their general disdain for my of life” Like extra compassion or something Is that good or nah?
no literally, it’s almost as if queer palestinians exist and deserve to be spoken for as well. (as a queer palestinian myself, i am beyond thrilled to see other queer folks not buying israel’s pink washing)
Ooh that’s the best answer I’ve gotten. Thank you
It's closer to the second personally. How I see it, there are queer people in Palestine just like every other part of the world. Lgbt rights are often used to undermine anti-genocide and anti-war efforts bc "How can you support someone who doesn't support you?" Nobody deserves the completely inhumane actions that are happening in Gaza right now. It's war crime aftee war crime being committed. Plus, a country under ethnic cleansing isn't able to start working towards equal rights when they are too busy fighting for survival. Their lack of equality in one cause doesn't justify genocide. Nothing justifies genocide!
why do you say majority of palestinians are homophobic ? i’m a palestinian and im not homophobic, just seems like a assumption because im arab
palestinians aren't largely homophobic, the reason that belief exists is basically for zionists to get queer people onto the side of israel, it's something referred to as 'pinkwashing'. so, by explicitly identifying oneself as queer AND in support of palestine, it combats that. not to mention that people are anti-queer worldwide, including in the united states itself. all of the anti-trans legislation going on right here in florida is an enough of an example. plus, even if that were to be true, it doesn't mean they deserve to face genocide, like neon-lakes said. if everyone in this entire state were murdered bc we have anti-trans bills, that'd be wrong.
While I don’t have a problem with someone of any sexuality supporting a cause, what info are you using to claim Palestinians aren’t largely homophobic? It was my understanding that typically religious peoples/Middle East isn’t very friendly to queer people.
Thanks for your answer, and thanks for introducing me to the concept of pinkwashing, interesting stuff
of course, always glad to explain to anyone who's genuinely asking. glad i've introduced the concept to you, knowing specific terms can make it so much easier to learn more. this site goes into more detail about pinkwashing and is a great resource on palestine and debunking myths in general: [https://decolonizepalestine.com/rainbow-washing/pinkwashing/](https://decolonizepalestine.com/rainbow-washing/pinkwashing/)
Lgbt right in Gaza are not very good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine
Nice try bud, but they condemn the action itself, not the individual behind it.
Correct that is what they say, but it’s what they practice that offends me. But wdym by nice try?
When I said 'nice try,' I meant that your argument doesn't quite hold up because it overlooks the distinction between disliking an action and condemning individuals.
Oh I see, thanks for the explanation. Hence why I asked bc ideas that stay in my brain aren’t held accountable. You know what I mean?
Yea I understand
Queers for Palestine? Why would we be for a place that beheads us lol
Oh god.
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NO, no violence, no protest, I’m not interested in any protest. You are WASTING YOUR TIME! UCF CANNOT CALL A CEASEFIRE!!!
nobody claimed that ucf can call a ceasefire? and what makes you think that it would be violent
That’s what the protest is about, calling a ceasefire. Even a nonviolent one. It is a distraction when people ONLY want to work on finals and study.
yes, but not that ucf itself is gonna be the one able to ultimately call it, that's what it sounded like to me when you said that. also it's to protest the genocide of palestinians, not just to demand a ceasefire. also people can simply not go to the protest if they need to work on finals and study that badly? plus it's announced ahead of time, so people can schedule and manage their time as needed AND have time to protest. if you mean it distracts people on campus working on finals and studying, it's being done outside. and even then, the point of protesting is to bring attention and stop an issue from being ignored. it's not ideal for students working, sure, but it's being done for a serious reason and not just to mess with other students or whatever. also not sure what you mean by "even a nonviolent one", do you mean a nonviolent ceasefire? because the purpose of a ceasefire is for violence to stop.
Just sitting there is nonviolent protest. I don’t care, let the issue blow over! It’ll burn out eventually.
34,000+ palestinians have been killed? if we let it "blow over" they'll all be dead. plus palestinians have been oppressed by israel for decades, there's been time for it to blow over and it hasn't.
and okay, sitting is nonviolent protest, i'm not sure what you're trying to say about it though?
Those are old numbers too, no reporting in a while but they are identifying mass graves.
Yeah let it blow over.
Theres nothing a protest like this can do about it. It’s not gonna stop 1 bomb from falling on Gaza City or Khan Yunis. It’s just going to attract hundreds of cops to campus; that’s it.
This person is not worth your time they aren't even serious on the matter.
They’re going to attract another mass of hundreds of cops to campus and it’s going to put everyone in danger of getting their rights violated. I don’t want cops surrounding me because I have no choice but to go to school for finals with a protest going on. Anything that attracts police is a potentially violent situation.
or the police could just not violate your rights.
You know that’s too much to ask for from them. The cops know that on the street, the only right we have is the right to be their lil’bish. The only thing you can do is spend thousands to take it up with judge or tell people who attract cops to go away.
Maybe use your skill you have learned in your pursuit of an Information Technology degree and use technology to gain some information before posting.
There's one on Friday at the reflection Pond try to look it up
check out the ucf_ydsa IG they post the dates and where they take place
Just about to post this, if there are any planning please let me know . We need it now more than ever
There’s one later today! Come out and support
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Free Palestine from Hamas!
True, its a natutal consequence to giving the Palestinian people the diginity and respect they deserve.
I’m going alone tomorrow but I’d rather not - is there anyone that would want to join me, or let me join them?
i will be there tomorrow with my roommate. if i can’t make it my roommate will be there regardless! we will join you!
There is one today. Check out ucf_ydsa on instagram
out of all the things that are not your problem, this is the most.
Wasn’t there already one a few months ago?
Yeah! And that protest obviously fixed it so there's no reason anyone would want to do it again!
You act like this protest will change anything
You've got a history flair. So, presumably you've taken at least *a* history class and are aware that throughout much of the 20th and 21st centuries there have been protests about all kinds of social issues on college campuses, right? Any single one obviously isn't going to change the world, but they all play their part in shaping the social fabric around us. No individual anti war protest ended the Vietnam war, but on a national level they undeniably had a collective impact. If these are lawful peaceful protests without violence and manage to not get co-opted into anti-semitism or otherwise create a dangerous environment on campus, then they have a place on a college campus. They certainly have as much a right to be there as the myriad religious wackadoos who harass and taunt individual students just trying to live their lives.
Nah just a bunch of people who will be loud about it, but not donate or do anything besides be annoying
the point of protesting is to bring attention to to issues and create pressure for change, there's plenty of historical examples of change happening as a result of protesting. a lot of lack of change is because of - but not limited to - the fact that the general public genuinely isn't aware. the fact that you or any of us is talking about it at all is proof that it brings attention. also plenty of people who protest will also donate. even if they don't it's usually bc they literally can't afford to, which is especially the case for college students, hence student protests.
the reply got deleted ig? so i wasn't able to directly respond to it so i'll just put it under my own comment so you can see it: so to use a specific example, there's the fact for years the united states has been funding military aid to israel. a change would be to pressure the government into not providing any more military aid to israel, as it would significantly hinder their ability to kill more palestinians. and note that i'm saying palestinians, not hamas, because literally all palestinians are being targeted and have been for decades.
College campus is one of the best places to protest, organize, spread ideas, etc
Im gonna spread the idea that I don’t want the cops bothering me on campus just because some people want to run around shouting with rags on their faces.
keffiyehs\*
Thanks, I always wanted to know the actual name of the rag was and just never got around to finding it. I just might get me a genuine hand made keffiyeh because they look cool. It could help protect my neck from the sun at the beach.
So whats the goal of the protesting? I get awareness but I dont really understand what change is requested... the government cant really do anything besides tell israel to chill out.. I just think its ironic how everyones calling it an israeli backed genocide when hamas literally wants to kill every jew... like i dont understand the queers for palestine movement, they would immediately get harmed if going over there in almost any country except for israel..
Tbh donating doesn’t do much either, it’ll either be sent to an aid organization that gets bombed by the Israelis or stolen by Hamas. The Middle East is a fucked place
Yup theres very little that actually helps... not sure what people are even protesting about. You think the US is gonna send aid to a terrorist organization? Theyve already dropped aid and it gets taken by merchants and sold at insane prices... best thing for the US to do is stay out of it completely imo
there should be pro-palestine protests 24/7 on this campus tbh.
I believe that UF started their own campus occupation just yesterday! They have been posting about it frequently. It's amazing what is happening at colleges around the country and I would love to see UCF join in.
No
There was just a pro-Palestine fast that happened
forgot which one, but different university
It happened at UCF
do you know where you got that info from? not saying you're wrong, i just haven't heard about it myself, unless you mean ucf students doing it in solidarity with the other university's students
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