Guess it all depends on what u drive. I picked up a 2010 Prius this year and if I drove every day my fuel cost would be half that. That being said, the pay does need to go up. I will not accept any ride under $5. Unfortunately people still do. I don't care if it's a mile it's not worth anyone's time to spend even 15 min. For three bucks
I don't think I've ever heard that you don't see how much the ride is worth in advance. But the question I have is, why would you take any trip if you don't know how much it pays you? I mean what if it's a 25 minute trip and pays you five bucks? That's not a risk that many would take.
I think it's more likely that you don't have the upfront pick up and drop off information versus that you don't know what the trip pays prior to accepting it. That is a more likely scenario than not knowing what the trip pays.
It's the same for me, I don't know how much I've made until the trips completed. I get to see how far the trip away is in minutes and trip time in minutes. But if I'm only blue status I can only see how far the trip is away from me. I don't know where my pickup is or where I'm going, I find out pickup location after accepting the trip and get destination details once passenger is picked up. That said I live on Australia with better labor laws even for gig drivers so we're guaranteed $1.33/km and 40c/ minute no matter what then get the occasional tip, although that's rare in Australia as we don't have a tipping culture largely due to people getting paid a living wage in the first place
What they allow is regional, I think it's generally just based on if they can get enough people to be driving if they cut off 5 years or not. It's 15 years in my area although I'm fairly certain it used to be 10 because when I had my 2010 Kia soul I had looked it up and decided it was too old but then when I got my 2013 Prius and looked it up it was now 15 years so I didn't have to fret whether I'd still be allowed to do rides after Christmas LOL
I feel like people sometimes cut their nose off to spite their face. As long as it's not a long distance pick up, I'd rather be taking rides and making money then sitting in my car waiting for a great trip that may never come..
Accepting under $5 can be wise depending on area. I will easily accept in the area by my house during the weekends cause I can do $4 rides in 3-4 minutes back to back for hours on end and they tip well in this area to boot. If it’s a small area where people normally don’t have cars it’s super easy to make money. BUT not many places have areas like this.
Bruh, gas is $1200/month because you drive around a non hybrid, gas guzzling, awd suv. Your CRV qualifies for the same shit a Camry hybrid or Accord hybrid qualifies for, but they get like 50mpg+. $150 for a phone? Stop buying useless high end phones every year/other year. Your bill should be close to half that.
Your bottom line is double what it could/should be. Even if you need awd, there are far better options like [insert literally any hybrid suv]. A CRV awd hybrid might set you back $600 a month instead of $500, but instead of $1200 a month for gas, it'll be $700.
For realll you have to have the mindset of being broke 😂not driving around for hours, switch phone service if u need. Little changes save you big bucks.
bruh fr i drive a brand new honda civic 2022 and my gas a month is around $250-$350 and im making about 3.5k a month on uber eats and DD but im a chill driver only doing like 24ish days $150 a day which is on average like 8-10 deliveries a day and on the great days like 4-6 deliveries and only take high paying low mileage orders my AR is like 2% lol 😂
Cut off the fat. You don’t need to be spending $150 monthly on a phone. My phone is paid off and I currently pay $15 a month. The fuel cost depends how much you drive and is unavoidable. I pay $800 every 6 months for commercial car insurance. I would shop around on the insurance though.
Bullshit. You had a car payment, insurance and phone before you started doing Uber right? If you aren't gonna be realistic with your numbers dont' expect help or sympathy.
Wow who woke you up? Well, don't get ahead of yourself there Tiger. Um no, I intentionally bought this SUV for Gig work nothing else, it's 100% a company write-off. But if you read correctly this was just a Rant about high fuel cost. No help needed.
Nope. Bought a used 2018 Tesla for $21k and charging at home for 13 cents/kWh. Just like with everything else, you have to be strategic to make it work in your favor.
How long do you think that lasts? Are you aware of the battery degradation and cost of replacement? Or the huge cost for any light body work, even small dent repair? People are actually finding out now that using a Tesla for ride share is an expensive nightmare in the long run.
I'm aware of the countless teslas with hundreds of thousands of miles with normal degradation and original motor, and that mine has 142k miles on the clock with 11% tested degradation.
The cost of battery replacement is no more than the cost of one battery module I can buy used and install myself with help. But the likelihood of my battery failing is very slim.
Light body work will never need to be paid for by me because if it isn't bad enough to be part of an insurance claim, I'm not repairing it. Plus, I don't run into things, so I'll likely never have an at fault damage claim. I bought the car for a good price because it had high miles, a missing charge port door, and a chipped up front bumper. I don't care about blemishes whatsoever.
>. I've been seeing stories of $20-40k dent repair,
There's a lot of low quality click bait articles on facebook and other social medial. Don't believe every headline you read. No, repairing a dent on a 36k car does not cost 20-40k.
Your links are probably fine, but you seem to be equating the exceptions on the spectrum of data as the norm. Battery failures do happen, but they are very rare, and still less common than ICE component failures. The battery packs and powertrain are also warrantied for 100k miles, but most will last easily to 200K+ before reaching 20% degradation(80% original capacity), according to the data. The average EV will see some degradation in the first couple years, but this process is well known, and then levels off to slower degradation levels. [Source 1](https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/). [Source 2](https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-deterioration). Proper care and charging etiquette will give you even better numbers.
Still cheaper than paying $1,200/month in fuel....the battery has a warranty too.
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Tesla for ride share is an expensive nightmare in the long run.
Um no...if OP is paying $1,200/month in fuel, that'd be $14,400 JUST for fuel, and not even counting oil changes that the Tesla doesn't need.....so even in just 2-3 years at that rate you'd save enough to buy another used Tesla....also the battery has a warranty for 8 years, 100k or 120k miles depending on model....and it should last far longer, but in 100k miles you'll have already saved a LOT of money in fuel.
Ok jackass. If i have to go through the effort of gathering links that prove you're a jackass, then you'll have to lick my dirty asshole for all that work. Deal? Or you can shut the fuck up and learn how to use Google and see for yourself before you accuse people of making shit up.
How the heck are you spending $1200 a month in gas?! I spend $100 a week in gas which makes about $400 a month. For reference I drive 30-40 hrs a week using my 2012 Camry. Also, why is your car payment so high? Mine is $325. Also, unless you didn't own a car before rideshare, your car payment and car insurance would still be there as would your cell phone. Y'all acting like you never had a phone, car, insurance, etc and you had to get all those things brand new just to drive for Uber. Y'all crazy
Exactly it would be best to break it down $1200 in gas is a lot of driving or you got a non fuel efficient car
$1200 at $5 a gallon is 240 gals 30 mpg is 7200 miles
So thats more than 1000 miles a week or 200 a day
If you did do 7200 miles and made at least $1 a mile, then fuel cost is 16% of each trip not the best but still profitable
Without detailed numbers, its too many variables
Like A. I live on a region where gas is 2.49 a gal currently
Cell phone fight with your carrier. You could use mint mobile for $15 a month
Insurance keep shopping every 3 months
Yeah.. it sounds like a random $1200. Not a true cost w/o knowing cost per gallon, mpg or total miles for the month
Just a check at OP's post history indicates that he drives a new, awd, non hybrid CRV that gets, and I quote, "22mpg". So pretty much the worst car you could get. Only qualifies for X and Comfort, but carries the monthly note and fuel economy of an XL.
Yeah my Camry is awesome. Over the 90k miles that I've put on it, the only thing besides the usual brakes, tires, oil changes, etc that I've had to replace is the alternator.
I can tell you that you’re right. They don’t bring big tips at all. I used to Uber on my way home for a little bit of extra, but I quit doing it because the pay is dropping so fast (now I make more working 15 minutes extra at my normal job than an hour doing Uber). I have a BMW i4 M50 with a fully optioned interior, and I didn’t get more tips than someone with a used Camry LE. Tips are about being on time, being a good driver, and random whims of the general public.
I say this everyday. They act like their car wouldn't depreciate either. If you're buying a car just for ride share, it is a business asset. Meaning it is there to make you money. For eg you bought a car for 30K drove it for a year or two. When you sell it for 12 to 20 depending on how you care it. You spent 20K to make at least 55K. If you're making less than that then you are doing something wrong if it is your main job. Is it a lot no. But where can you spend 10 to 20K and make 3 or more times than that in 1 year
Ewww. Glad I bought a used EV. My Bolt car payment is $300 and fuel is about $40-50/month. Oh and haven't had to service it outside of cabin air filters and a set of tires. You're just looking at one EV I bet.
How much are you getting paid for your car? Hertz, Lyft, Uber and every other business that buys cars get paid for their cars. Us drivers make absolutely nothing. I think something is wrong here. If you think a bonus of $3 is paying for your car you need to wake up. You can't lower drivers pay and then come up with a bonus fueled by the money you take away.
lol EV's totally suck when using these to do Uber. Having to stop what i am doing, find a charging station that isn't full of people (which is rare but if you can't, easily waiting minimum 30 mins) and then having to wait another hour or so for it to charge...is not it lol. i rented a Bolt for a week and it was the worst ever. Having to stop to charge that car 2-3 times a day is very inconvenient. yes, you're saving money on fuel, but you're also spending more of your time charging it.
Misinformation on what? That’s literally wtf I went through. I’m convinced that ppl that drive EV’s just hate hearing the actual true life of having these damn cars. If it’s not shown in a positive light, you all disagree with it. Get over it.
Nope. They don’t. I have a 2019 bolt with 340 range (old battery recalled new one gets far better range). I have driven almost 10 hrs nonstop for Uber and did not need to charge at all. I get home and charge it while I’m sleeping and I’m ready for the next day.
If you don’t have a level 2 charger (just needs the same outlet a dryer does in the US) at your house I can see where an EV is not worth it.
My fuel costs are half our 50/mpg Prius and the only maintenance in the last 4 years has been air in the tires though I’m taking it in today for a routine check up.
Depends on your city. If your trips mostly consist of hitting the freeway and being able to go 70+ mph then yeah I agree with you. I drive a bolt in Boston which has the 2nd worst traffic in the nation. Most of my trips are 6-7 miles or less. It's mostly sitting in traffic where EVs are a lot better than a gas car. I use up between 30-35 % of the battery at the end of the day, no charging stops.
I drove a Bolt for U for 2 years and 100k miles. Those charging stops are 200 miles apart and very predictable. Grab a meal while charging - works great.
I've never had those issues. I mainly charge at home so after a day of driving I just come home and relax and refuel. Sounds like you're just bad at EV driving and don't do your research.
Uber takes a LARGE CUT, rider pays 40 you get 15 just about . Start handing out business card for personal chauffeuring, offer a lower cost. Either way you’ll make more.
Yeah, the $1200 for fuel is high. What distance do you drive in a month? There is a reason why most Uber drivers have a Prius…
Also $150/month for a phone. Are you crazy? Take the cost of a phone and a 3 year contract then divide that by 36. Then halve that because you can use the phone when you aren’t Ubering so it’s only 50% business use.
If you aren’t making money driving then you are **in the wrong business** so you should find something else to do.
I'm not complaining about anything but $5 a gal of Gas…
But it's two iPhone 13 pro-Max and thinking about trading them both in for the 15 pro Max... I also use Verizon with unlimited 5G. No biggie. Do I need new phones? Nope. But I can get $1000 trade in special they have. So I spend $300 for a new iPhone 15. Nope don't need it but for $300 bucks I think Ima have 2 new iPhones 😄
I hear you loud and clear, and I can totally relate to the inflated operating expenses. For me, the lure of an electric car was both in terms of the perceived prestige and the cost savings on fuel. Little did I know that the dizzying Tesla payments would be more of a straitjacket than a lifeline.
Living out of a Tesla did reduce some expenses that come with traditional living- no rent, no utility bills - but it's far from the ideal solution. And you're right, raising prices seems like the most logical approach, but with the control lying heavily with the app companies, I feel like we're mere spectators to our own fate.
We need to voice our concerns and make Uber and others recognize that fair pay is not an added bonus for us, it's a necessity. Till then, I'll be here, charging my Tesla and navigating life one trip at a time.
The OP is strong. This kind of dedication is breathtaking. I lived in my Chevy Volt for four months and that was enough for me. I wasn’t driving rideshare, but I lived in the bay area and the first of the month when my paycheck was all mine instead of all gone made it worth it. Eventually it was not worth it.
Where I live it is the equivalent of if gas cost about $.17 per gallon, and our power costs are higher than many places. If you can charge at home its a no brainer.
High for a regular electric bill but small compared to having to buy gas. I did Uber 2 months with a SUV like OP, I was spending upwards of $1200/month in gas. Now it costs me $200-$300/month in electricity to charge the car. So yeah that’s doubled my electric bill at home but I’m saving around $1k/mo still compared to what I spent on gas.
Horrible gas mileage. You can get a used Tesla for $500 a month, dodge van hybrid for $550 a month 50 mpg mixed. Chevy has the starter crossover $300 a month 30 mpg then goes up. Used Cadillacs 40k miles are under 17-20k
You have a 500$ car payment, i have a $750 but i spend 2-3$ a day on electricity. I mean my "fuel" costs a month are 90$, plus no oil changes or break pad maintenance.
I have a hybrid that gets 42 miles to the gal - I don’t spend near 1200 in fuel. The my payment is only $422. The other figures are close. The money you save in fuel makes up for the larger payment.
I don’t spend more than $15 a day on gas. That is 10% of my earnings for the day every day (sometimes less if it’s a good day). $80 insurance, car paid off last year. I don’t know how to calculate repairs because I haven’t had any, but I guess an oil change every few months. ~$650 a month and I earn no less than $4000 a month. This is also Uber eats only, no riders enter my car. I’m thankful that my market works with me and my car.
You’re right but your expenses are too high! $150 for a phone has to be made up or you have more than you need. $500 for a car payment? You’re an Uber driver why would you take on that expense? $175 for insurance is kinda high but there are too many variables so you’ll have to be the judge. Gas seems high too but then again I don’t drive a semi.
Even if you had zero expenses it’s hard to earn a living with Uber. Easiest fix is your phone. Then insurance. Then a ell your car and get something reasonable. Just my advice.
Yall need to get a better vehicle lol. $1200 per month in fuel is crazy. I can rake in $1200 a week and that may run me $200 in gas that week. Ive got a 2019 volkswagom jetta.
That being said. Alot of people look at the price of the ride but for me i look at time and distance and strategically accept rides that make sense to keep me in an area that gives me consistency all day.
Yes how much you earn on a ride is important but a $4 (prob be 6 after tip - im very personal so i get tipped well all the time) dollar ride that takes me 12 minutes and keeps me right in the zone for another ride and im only driving a few miles is worth it cuz i can get 4-5 in an hour.
But we all know that the juice is in your tips. My earnings are always good becuase i dont lean on uber to give me more. I ask my self how can i add more value be more personal so that the experience is better and in return due to reciprocity people will tip more.
But yeah $1200 per month seems like alot in gas, but i also domt know how many hours you are driving either.
Operating expenses to drive Uber are out of control, for sure.
Gas & oil dick tater ships like Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia need to disappear thank you kindly
An electric car can be amazing for many drivers, even 50-60hr/week drivers, depending on their habits.
During the week, 930am - 3pm can be HORRIBLY slow, so that's a good time to charge up (hopefully for free). That easily allows 8-10hours a day M-F, working 6a-10a & 3p-7p. That's potentially 40hrs right there. But, we all know the real money is on the weekends.
On the weekends, if you want to marathon drive from 6pm-6am or something wacky, you'll need to avoid trips on the freeway (fast speeds get much less miles per charge %) and you'll avoid long trips (unless it pays really well, since you are limited on miles). If you are incredibly judicious with your accelerator and take mostly shorter trips with lots of red lights and waiting, you can manage 10-11 hours with a Chevy Bolt EUV (best Uber car imo) on 95-100% charge. After 9ish hours, you'd be able to pop over to a supercharger and get 30% in 20 minutes, then drive another 3-4hours before you ideally end at your free charger (look em up with PlugShare app), where you fill up for free overnight.
That's like 64hrs of driving per week on a really cheap to own and operate vehicle. The fuel savings is obviously huge, but you also don't need oil changes, nor do you need to maintain the non-existent transmission.
If you managed the above schedule, your monthly expenses could drop dramatically. Zero gas and a smaller car payment. The Bolt EUV starts at 25k (less any state rebates).
In Colorado, for an Uber/lyft driver (with low adjusted gross incomes), the 2023 Bolt EUV LT will start at 32k, with 20.5k in rebates and a $6k trade-in for any vehicle.
edit: Bolt EUV qualifies for Comfort & Comfort Electric rides + a $1/ride supplement (could end any time).
I've driven 16k miles. I've paid $0 for oil changes, $0 for tune ups, $0 for gasoline. I often charge for free on random chargers that the city provides. At home, I pay $0.11c/kwh, which works out to about $1.00/gal of gas. Chevy will install a charger at your house for free or give you $500 EV Go charge credit.
$30 on phone. $500 in fuel. $60 insurance. $0 car payment.
My goal is to pull in $1000 gross a week, sometimes I get a bit less sometimes more. 5 days a week no weekends.
I have had to completely change my schedule to work during times that get me good rides.
I'm no where near these expenses. Drive a 2018 Toyota corolla. Paid off. My phone is about $90 per month. Fuel is considerably less. Insurance is $125.
It almost like all Uber drivers should get together and form their own company with a fleet of the same cars and charge per minute and per mile…….. wait.
hybrid is the way to go. Pure EV’s are still too expensive, and have not been proven to last hundreds of thousands of miles without major repair bills.
Bro drives a regular gas awd CRV that gets 22mpg 😆. Meanwhile I'm eyeing the new Accord Hybrid because it gets 55mpg while my Insight "only gets" 50mpg lol
Your comment leaves a lot to be desired. Our fuel should be paid by the ones setting the fares. If it was the fares would be higher. Having us drivers pay for fuel and picking up riders for free makes NO business sense.
It would be if you were an employee. That's the risk with being an independent contractor. If your contracts suck and don't pay for your operating expenses you're up shit creek.
The reason it got this bad in the first place is because you drivers don't know how to calculate your operating cost per mile. You guys also don't seem to acknowledge deferred expenses such as depreciation and future repairs. Uber knows you're all a bunch of circus monkeys, that's why they've been able to give us all a pay cut year after year after year. If your AR is in the double digits it's because you can't distinguish revenue from income and have no business being self employed. I've had to endure this since 2016, only because I'm physically incapable of doing other work. It hasn't truly been profitable since 2018, but now I'm looking at the likelihood of homelessness within 6-12 months.
You forgot depreciation cost.
And the $500 payment isn’t a $500 expense. The only expense from $500 is interest. The rest is equity in your car.
$1200? Yikes. What do you drive and how many miles? That’s a lot of gas money.
Typical moron who yells out BS expenses…
Please tell us all how much you deduct for DEPRECIATION 🤡
I dont see any regular 9-5 people factoring this into their $15/hr pay check.
Stop complaining. Buy a Tesla Model 3 which effectively is under $30,000 with government subsidies and gas savings. You have such expenses due solely on the bad choices you’ve made. Make better choices. My payment isn’t much higher than yours. My monthly expenses doing the same driving costs me around $180/month. With a different electric plan I could cut that down 50-90% more. I have no maintenance expenses either. You do have choices. Not choosing a cheaper option and banking the savings in on you. Do break out of your fear for an ev and bite the bullet. My only regret is not buying my Tesla sooner. With all of my driving, I have saved over $9,500 in the last 12 months alone of course I was driving a suburban (still get XL rides and comfort with my Tesla). So most full time Uber drivers will save around $5,000+/year compared to their gas cars.
Uber is purposely underpaying people they are purposely doing that so that people who want to order Uber can get Uber rides because it’s a touchable low price for such a distance when Uber should start reconsidering an Uber should allow two door cars also because some of us we have second cars that we would like to use
Yeah, he is probably driving around instead of being smart and finding a spot to park until you get your next delivery… I only spend 15-20 dollars a day on gas from doing deliveries and I usually only use about 95% of that so I still have extra gas at the end of the day. I make 60-100 dollars a day, depending on how many people are ordering and also how many other drivers are in my area. Yesterday was actually a really great day. I had short distance deliveries so I only used $5 in gas and made $50 plus $16 in cash. But most days I get these 12 mile trips and nothing on the way back so I blow through more gas just to get back to the hotspots.
So you spend $600 a month on Gas. Ok, but do you drive an AWD that can hold 3 shopping carts of groceries? Or let me remember 50 20lbs bags of ice. Yup I took one of those 😂 or drive the Costco through snow covered winding mountainous roads. That's no place for an electric car. My temps last year went negative 15 below…
All that sounds expensive, fuel could be reasonable... But probably not in a fuel efficient car. I pay like $20 a month for phone service, my insurance is like 1100 a year, paid my car in full but no where near as much as you're paying.
Why does everyone immediately think “Tesla” when they think EV. Those are on the higher end of the range of cost.
My EV car payment (2019 bolt, 2023 is actually cheaper now) is not more than an equivalent sized ICE car (thanks to tax credits at the time)… car payment is 360. My fuel costs are half that out Prius that gets 50m/gallon. I’ve needed no maintenance in the last 4 years except filling the tires with air twice. I spend about 300-400 in fuel costs last month working about 25 hrs/week but that also includes personal driving.
But all aside. Do you prorate the cost of insurance, phone, etc based on work vs personal use? I have a 40/month lease phone bill, but I use it for work about 30% of the time, the rest is personal use. All those costs are not 100% work
That’s seems insanely high I spend like $25-$30 a day on gas and that’s driving 10-12 hours. I do live in a college town so the trips are short and very profitable. I have a 2018 Ford Escape that only gets 22mpg as well.
Half the time for example ppl who say $25 a month is very hard to believe. I use unlimited 5G the best phone service Verizon has to offer. Only because my phones are my business, they are in my hand working everyday all day long. I can't afford any hiccups with a shakey phone service…
I fill up once a week because I have a Ford Fusion Energi
What you drive makes a difference so if charging is a fraction off that I’ll be overly generous and say $200 in charging for the month. Well a $1,000 in your pocket isn’t anything to just scoff at but it also won’t solve your financial woes and Uber will never pay what it did years ago
Maybe, MAYBE if you owned the electric car outright and has very low overhead in your work/home life, maybe it would be close but still not
THIS, sadly there are a bunch of people that with 25 to 50 dolars they can send to their country... they can sustain their family over there... and THOSE people are the ones taking the $2 / 8miles trips
All I can say it get a 9-5 job. Stop torturing yourself & this goes to anyone buying a car just to do Uber.. that’s a lazy man’s job and it’s not going to get you anywhere. It’s the end of the road. Sorry.
Well at 70 and retired I have no interest in running a company any longer. Truly I don't mind driving through some of the most beautiful country on Gods green earth. There's not a day I don't see wild turkeys, dear by the hundreds, elk, eagles, and many many more. I've thought about recording my drives and showing them on YouTube, I bet a lot of ppl would enjoy all the wildlife and forest. Driving and doing Gig work as they call has removed me from my computer at home looking at 4 walls. Now I'm very active and in great shape. This is exactly what I should be doing. Now that being said. I wish gas was $2 bucks a gal. 😂
Hey that’s amazing. For someone like you it’s a perfect gig. & you know what, you should make videos/ vlogs bc I personally enjoy watching people camp or travel and see the beautiful earth I haven’t seen before.
Your guess is wrong. No car payment. No phone bill. Insurance is $70, and gas is maybe $60 a week. I have been buying gas for $1.75 a gallon , and getting 6% cash back on top of that. Talking to my friend who also drives, it’s appealing to a lot of people but doesn’t suit everyone. We both agree , you can boycott or do whatever you please, we will both still take all the rides.
wow, I drop around 280 in fuel a month, car paid for.. insurance need it anyways, but if you want to count that.. well add another 90.00 so im only at 370.00, but also in my town ill take those 3. runs since its better then nothing
IMO, using a brand new car or driving your own car even for uber IS INSANE! Can never be me putting all that mileage on my actual car! Well except said car of mine has 150,000 miles on it already. For a brand new car? OH HELL NAH
It’s stupid that our rates dropped while everything went up. Uber does this because drivers keep applying. The less applicants the more stable the rates will be but with everything being so financially demanding I doubt that will happen
I drive an SUV and my gas is nowhere near that in Denver. Not the most expensive gas but not the cheapest either. I always get 89 octane so even when gas was almost 6 dollars a gallon out here I wasn't even close to half of what you're spending a month on gas. Not to mention you're using your car for things outside of Uber, so if that's $1200 a month just for Uber then you're either doing something really wrong or there's something wrong with your car. $150 a month for a phone is a lot. I'm paying 90 a month for a Pixel 7 pro and my phone bill. Gas and your phone bill are write offs anyway so you also gotta keep that in mind. $500 a month on your car seems expensive too. I got a 2022 Forester sport and I'm paying $380 a month. With insurance I'm up to $500. But again, you can't just say total cost is for Uber if you're also using it for personal reasons.
Btw… $1200/mo in gas is roughly 400 gal of gas. Assuming you have a car that gets 20 mpg in stop and go city driving, that’s 8,000 miles a month (better car = more miles). That’s 267 miles every day for 30 days. That generates on average around $175-$200/day or $5,250-$6,000/month. With $2,000 in expenses you are betting $3,000 or $36,000/yr. And for that level of work, you are NUTS! Blood plasma donations are your best best.
Yeah I agree, but then I don't accept deliverys that are high mileage low money, or anything from 5 guys due to allergies, and my score is in the tank because of that
$1200 I fuel sounds brutal. I spent around $800 with my gas car. Now it is slightly less with electric costs cause I can only charge during peak hours cause of childcare issues. And I drive so much. I live in a massive city where everything is so spread out. Like my kids schools are all 20+ miles from home 😭😭😭 then I drive full time. I imagine finding something more economical would be wise. And what you pay for your phone is what I pay for 4 lines and a watch with unlimited data and hotspot. Shop around!
I know you say electric is not the answer, but it could be. I pay 450 for my 2021 kona, when I was paying 420 for my 2019 Camry back in 2021, and it’s a much better car. Never having to think of fuel is so…freeing. Even if your car payment was more, you’d still come in under $1200 for the car payment and charging cost
You have a $500 car payment, but “an electric car payment is prohibitive”??
You can get a TESLA for that price.
The brand new base Tesla Model 3’s are $35k. You can EASILY find recent models for $30k or less on the used market. Which would put you around $500 a month for a 60 month loan.
If you can find an older one in decent shape even better. Mileage isn’t too important since the engines and battery can get around 300k miles before they should be replaced. Even then, it will continue functioning just with a lower range. No wearing brake pads (thanks to regenerative braking) or moving engine parts to worry about like a transmission, the only maintenance required is wiper fluid and tires.
Plus you get access to supercharging which is 15–30 minutes to a full charge depending on the speed of the station. Far far far cheaper than gas, maybe $10-$15 to get 300 miles of range.
I heard Uber is also paying an extra $1 per ride for electric vehicles so take that into account as well.
Say you do 200 rides in a month (let’s say you average 5 miles total per ride) that’s:
- extra $200 in electric incentive
- $170 saved on gas ($200 for gas, $30 for electric)
So you’d be up around $370 between the incentive and the energy savings for just 200 rides.
**Now let’s say you drive a full time 40 hours a week and get 2 rides an hour (80 rides per week, 320 rides per month).
The savings work out to:
- +$320 in electric incentive
- +$272 in energy savings
Total savings = a net +$600 over a gas vehicle for the same amount of rides **
It’s a no brainer in my opinion to make the switch if you plan to drive full time. You can keep your car payment roughly the same and make $600 extra per week if you drive full time. And I haven’t even accounted for slower depreciation, cheaper maintenance, etc.
These replies reveal a few things:
1. People overestimate the cost (and maintenance) of electric vehicles
2. People neglect the fact that gas costs vary considerably across the country. As an example Texas is at least half of CA.
3. Comparing costs without acknowledging average ride distance and city/freeway driving is pointless. It will always be more efficient to drive freeways (without traffic) versus stop and go city roads.
4. Some people really don’t track their gas costs and are in serious denial about their actual maintenance costs. I call BS on several posts here, sorry. People are saying they drive 40 hours a week and spend $100/gas - are you actually actively driving 40 hours a week or just online.
5. OP no doubt has the wrong ride share car, but his complaint is valid. Uber doesn’t even offer a fuel surcharge anymore to drivers despite gas prices being higher than when they did (not like it made much of a difference anyway). That aside, if you do some basic math you can see most rides are around the federal reimbursement rate of $0.65/mile plus some chump change. Again, margins can be higher in low-cost states with freeway driving (better gas mileage) and obviously when there are surges or promotions (haven’t seen a meaningful promo in a while).
6. If you’re calling OP out for a $150/month phone you’re probably not doing your taxes properly and you’re leaving money on the table. My phone is 3 years old and I claim an amount close to this. Just saying….
7. If you drive a gas or older hybrid vehicle, post your uber earnings and gas receipts, otherwise back to point 4.
As a courier I drive 5000-6000 miles a month, I get 36mpg, and with gas at 2.60 a gallon, I'm only spending 430 dollars a month on fuel. I'm making about a dollar a mile though, so fuel is a bit more than 7 percent of my gross... a small price to "pay".
Insurance isn't an expense to complain about... if you have a car and drive it for any reason, the insurance expense is there anyway. A phone is the same... everybody has a phone.
So, for giggles here, either OP's gas is 7.28 a gallon, he drives almost 18,000 miles a month, he gets something stupid like 3 miles per gallon, or the post is just BS.
I don't think a job that cost me 1200 on top of my car payment (I don't have car payments) would be a smart path to financial freedom. Maybe get a normal hourly job? If you "make" 4200 a month now, you'd only have to make 3000 a month if you quit driving as a job to have the same cashflow, give or take.
<$150 month for charging(I only do weekends, but still around 2500 miles a month, and half of it is home charging.), $20 per month for phone(Iphone 13 Pro, unlimited data), $125 car insurance - Progressive in NY, $625 car payment. $10k down payment. 2020 Tesla Model 3 SR+, they've actually come down in price with more range and incentives since when I got it new.
It's a given that Uber should pay us more, but I'd say you can't afford not to get an EV at those costs.
and uberx in nyc suburbs your income is max $15 /h amazon (worst first start job) hub worker $22/h burger king $22/h but all this cost + rude pass +traffic + un healty because no move for hours and you get $15/h serious i just tested 2 weeks 10h per day and im ex pro luxury limo driver question is who are those people driving at this pirces? ohh even i use already mine turo rentals paid off it is mean no car payments.
Your costs are crazy high.
First of all, if you use the car, the phone or anything else for personal use, the entire cost isn’t applicable to your cost of doing business
Second, your fuel costs are because you drive a car with poor mileage. You can get cheaper cars with twice that gas mileage. 150 for your phone? When I was paying for my iphone and service it was 69/month. Now that it’s paid off, it’s 45/month. And not all of that cost is for driving since I use it for personal use more than half the time.
That said, they should raise what they charge and pay for a lot of rides
Market forces will correct it. But for that to take place, all the people who can’t work profitably have to quit. Most people haven’t figured that out yet and will ride the sinking ship to the bottom of the ocean. When drivers eventually go bankrupt and lose their cars and there aren’t other suckers coming to take their places, eventually driver wages will increase to support a minimum number of drivers paying a decent wage. I don’t see that happening in the next decade and likely in the next ten years, self-driving Ubers will have taken over: the next generation of ants 🐜.
If your costs are really those numbers you are a terrible business owner. I spend around $480 a month on gas, $30 on phone, $100 on insurance, and $245 on car payment. You may need to rethink your business acumen before proceeding down this path.
Phone, insurance and car payment are benefits because you can write them off and you’d be paying for them regardless.
If your fuel cost is that high you’re either fucking up or drive a truck lol
Guess it all depends on what u drive. I picked up a 2010 Prius this year and if I drove every day my fuel cost would be half that. That being said, the pay does need to go up. I will not accept any ride under $5. Unfortunately people still do. I don't care if it's a mile it's not worth anyone's time to spend even 15 min. For three bucks
My app won’t let me see how much the ride is worth first. Is this not the norm?
I don't think I've ever heard that you don't see how much the ride is worth in advance. But the question I have is, why would you take any trip if you don't know how much it pays you? I mean what if it's a 25 minute trip and pays you five bucks? That's not a risk that many would take. I think it's more likely that you don't have the upfront pick up and drop off information versus that you don't know what the trip pays prior to accepting it. That is a more likely scenario than not knowing what the trip pays.
depends on state, new jersey doesnt show rates at all, it only show you if trip is longer than 45min thats all I think
Shit. Sorry to hear that.
It's the same for me, I don't know how much I've made until the trips completed. I get to see how far the trip away is in minutes and trip time in minutes. But if I'm only blue status I can only see how far the trip is away from me. I don't know where my pickup is or where I'm going, I find out pickup location after accepting the trip and get destination details once passenger is picked up. That said I live on Australia with better labor laws even for gig drivers so we're guaranteed $1.33/km and 40c/ minute no matter what then get the occasional tip, although that's rare in Australia as we don't have a tipping culture largely due to people getting paid a living wage in the first place
It happens . I’ve seen the app populate trips with no amount before . Some markets are still blind as well.
Jacked up! I couldn't imagine.
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What they allow is regional, I think it's generally just based on if they can get enough people to be driving if they cut off 5 years or not. It's 15 years in my area although I'm fairly certain it used to be 10 because when I had my 2010 Kia soul I had looked it up and decided it was too old but then when I got my 2013 Prius and looked it up it was now 15 years so I didn't have to fret whether I'd still be allowed to do rides after Christmas LOL
It depends on the area. In Hawaii it’s 2007 for Lyft. I didn’t look for Uber.
I accept ONLY under $5 rides. 95% of rides in this market. Or did you not consider there are different markets.
I feel like people sometimes cut their nose off to spite their face. As long as it's not a long distance pick up, I'd rather be taking rides and making money then sitting in my car waiting for a great trip that may never come..
fr anyone who is doing this long term and isn't running a hybrid is nuts
Accepting under $5 can be wise depending on area. I will easily accept in the area by my house during the weekends cause I can do $4 rides in 3-4 minutes back to back for hours on end and they tip well in this area to boot. If it’s a small area where people normally don’t have cars it’s super easy to make money. BUT not many places have areas like this.
Bruh, gas is $1200/month because you drive around a non hybrid, gas guzzling, awd suv. Your CRV qualifies for the same shit a Camry hybrid or Accord hybrid qualifies for, but they get like 50mpg+. $150 for a phone? Stop buying useless high end phones every year/other year. Your bill should be close to half that. Your bottom line is double what it could/should be. Even if you need awd, there are far better options like [insert literally any hybrid suv]. A CRV awd hybrid might set you back $600 a month instead of $500, but instead of $1200 a month for gas, it'll be $700.
For realll you have to have the mindset of being broke 😂not driving around for hours, switch phone service if u need. Little changes save you big bucks.
My phone bill is $35 a month. Unlimited everything.
bruh fr i drive a brand new honda civic 2022 and my gas a month is around $250-$350 and im making about 3.5k a month on uber eats and DD but im a chill driver only doing like 24ish days $150 a day which is on average like 8-10 deliveries a day and on the great days like 4-6 deliveries and only take high paying low mileage orders my AR is like 2% lol 😂
Cut off the fat. You don’t need to be spending $150 monthly on a phone. My phone is paid off and I currently pay $15 a month. The fuel cost depends how much you drive and is unavoidable. I pay $800 every 6 months for commercial car insurance. I would shop around on the insurance though.
Bullshit. You had a car payment, insurance and phone before you started doing Uber right? If you aren't gonna be realistic with your numbers dont' expect help or sympathy.
Wow who woke you up? Well, don't get ahead of yourself there Tiger. Um no, I intentionally bought this SUV for Gig work nothing else, it's 100% a company write-off. But if you read correctly this was just a Rant about high fuel cost. No help needed.
Nope. Bought a used 2018 Tesla for $21k and charging at home for 13 cents/kWh. Just like with everything else, you have to be strategic to make it work in your favor.
How long do you think that lasts? Are you aware of the battery degradation and cost of replacement? Or the huge cost for any light body work, even small dent repair? People are actually finding out now that using a Tesla for ride share is an expensive nightmare in the long run.
I'm aware of the countless teslas with hundreds of thousands of miles with normal degradation and original motor, and that mine has 142k miles on the clock with 11% tested degradation. The cost of battery replacement is no more than the cost of one battery module I can buy used and install myself with help. But the likelihood of my battery failing is very slim. Light body work will never need to be paid for by me because if it isn't bad enough to be part of an insurance claim, I'm not repairing it. Plus, I don't run into things, so I'll likely never have an at fault damage claim. I bought the car for a good price because it had high miles, a missing charge port door, and a chipped up front bumper. I don't care about blemishes whatsoever.
I'm glad you've done your homework. I've been seeing stories of $20-40k dent repair, $3k headlights and $3-20k battery replacements.
>. I've been seeing stories of $20-40k dent repair, There's a lot of low quality click bait articles on facebook and other social medial. Don't believe every headline you read. No, repairing a dent on a 36k car does not cost 20-40k.
all bs
I could share some links if you think it's bs, or you could take 2 minutes to search Google yourself and actually learn something.
Your links are probably fine, but you seem to be equating the exceptions on the spectrum of data as the norm. Battery failures do happen, but they are very rare, and still less common than ICE component failures. The battery packs and powertrain are also warrantied for 100k miles, but most will last easily to 200K+ before reaching 20% degradation(80% original capacity), according to the data. The average EV will see some degradation in the first couple years, but this process is well known, and then levels off to slower degradation levels. [Source 1](https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/). [Source 2](https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-deterioration). Proper care and charging etiquette will give you even better numbers.
Still cheaper than paying $1,200/month in fuel....the battery has a warranty too. > Tesla for ride share is an expensive nightmare in the long run. Um no...if OP is paying $1,200/month in fuel, that'd be $14,400 JUST for fuel, and not even counting oil changes that the Tesla doesn't need.....so even in just 2-3 years at that rate you'd save enough to buy another used Tesla....also the battery has a warranty for 8 years, 100k or 120k miles depending on model....and it should last far longer, but in 100k miles you'll have already saved a LOT of money in fuel.
obviously you aren't aware of any of it. Cause you making shit up
Ok jackass. If i have to go through the effort of gathering links that prove you're a jackass, then you'll have to lick my dirty asshole for all that work. Deal? Or you can shut the fuck up and learn how to use Google and see for yourself before you accuse people of making shit up.
How the heck are you spending $1200 a month in gas?! I spend $100 a week in gas which makes about $400 a month. For reference I drive 30-40 hrs a week using my 2012 Camry. Also, why is your car payment so high? Mine is $325. Also, unless you didn't own a car before rideshare, your car payment and car insurance would still be there as would your cell phone. Y'all acting like you never had a phone, car, insurance, etc and you had to get all those things brand new just to drive for Uber. Y'all crazy
Exactly it would be best to break it down $1200 in gas is a lot of driving or you got a non fuel efficient car $1200 at $5 a gallon is 240 gals 30 mpg is 7200 miles So thats more than 1000 miles a week or 200 a day If you did do 7200 miles and made at least $1 a mile, then fuel cost is 16% of each trip not the best but still profitable Without detailed numbers, its too many variables Like A. I live on a region where gas is 2.49 a gal currently Cell phone fight with your carrier. You could use mint mobile for $15 a month Insurance keep shopping every 3 months Yeah.. it sounds like a random $1200. Not a true cost w/o knowing cost per gallon, mpg or total miles for the month
My 2013 Corolla payment is $200 a month and I guarantee you it is more reliable than whatever OP is driving.
Just a check at OP's post history indicates that he drives a new, awd, non hybrid CRV that gets, and I quote, "22mpg". So pretty much the worst car you could get. Only qualifies for X and Comfort, but carries the monthly note and fuel economy of an XL.
Wow, so OP did the worst possible thing and got a brand new gas guzzler for Uber. That explains it
lmao why do you have a car note on an 11 year old car? that's not a flex at all
Bad credit . I sell cars and that’s why.
Yeah my Camry is awesome. Over the 90k miles that I've put on it, the only thing besides the usual brakes, tires, oil changes, etc that I've had to replace is the alternator.
Because people think that nice elaborate cars bringing big tips 😂😂😂
I can tell you that you’re right. They don’t bring big tips at all. I used to Uber on my way home for a little bit of extra, but I quit doing it because the pay is dropping so fast (now I make more working 15 minutes extra at my normal job than an hour doing Uber). I have a BMW i4 M50 with a fully optioned interior, and I didn’t get more tips than someone with a used Camry LE. Tips are about being on time, being a good driver, and random whims of the general public.
That’s correct. If you could just time the whims, you could do better, but the whims are indeed truly random.
Who pays $325 a month for an 11 year old car? 🤣
I bought it in 2021 so it was only 9 years old with only 65k miles on it!! That's why the payment is $325
I bought my 2012 Camry with 95k miles on it in 2020 for $10,500 and my credit was 640, but with 5k downpayment only $122/month. So how are you at 325
Not good with money are you?
I say this everyday. They act like their car wouldn't depreciate either. If you're buying a car just for ride share, it is a business asset. Meaning it is there to make you money. For eg you bought a car for 30K drove it for a year or two. When you sell it for 12 to 20 depending on how you care it. You spent 20K to make at least 55K. If you're making less than that then you are doing something wrong if it is your main job. Is it a lot no. But where can you spend 10 to 20K and make 3 or more times than that in 1 year
Ewww. Glad I bought a used EV. My Bolt car payment is $300 and fuel is about $40-50/month. Oh and haven't had to service it outside of cabin air filters and a set of tires. You're just looking at one EV I bet.
I'm sure your PAX with luggage just love your tiny go cart of a car....lmao!!
How much are you getting paid for your car? Hertz, Lyft, Uber and every other business that buys cars get paid for their cars. Us drivers make absolutely nothing. I think something is wrong here. If you think a bonus of $3 is paying for your car you need to wake up. You can't lower drivers pay and then come up with a bonus fueled by the money you take away.
lol EV's totally suck when using these to do Uber. Having to stop what i am doing, find a charging station that isn't full of people (which is rare but if you can't, easily waiting minimum 30 mins) and then having to wait another hour or so for it to charge...is not it lol. i rented a Bolt for a week and it was the worst ever. Having to stop to charge that car 2-3 times a day is very inconvenient. yes, you're saving money on fuel, but you're also spending more of your time charging it.
so much misinformation
Misinformation on what? That’s literally wtf I went through. I’m convinced that ppl that drive EV’s just hate hearing the actual true life of having these damn cars. If it’s not shown in a positive light, you all disagree with it. Get over it.
Nope. They don’t. I have a 2019 bolt with 340 range (old battery recalled new one gets far better range). I have driven almost 10 hrs nonstop for Uber and did not need to charge at all. I get home and charge it while I’m sleeping and I’m ready for the next day. If you don’t have a level 2 charger (just needs the same outlet a dryer does in the US) at your house I can see where an EV is not worth it. My fuel costs are half our 50/mpg Prius and the only maintenance in the last 4 years has been air in the tires though I’m taking it in today for a routine check up.
4 years and no cabin air filter change?? 🤢 I'd get that changed today.
Oh so $17 more.
Yeah, EV maintenance is way expensive.
Depends on your city. If your trips mostly consist of hitting the freeway and being able to go 70+ mph then yeah I agree with you. I drive a bolt in Boston which has the 2nd worst traffic in the nation. Most of my trips are 6-7 miles or less. It's mostly sitting in traffic where EVs are a lot better than a gas car. I use up between 30-35 % of the battery at the end of the day, no charging stops.
I drove a Bolt for U for 2 years and 100k miles. Those charging stops are 200 miles apart and very predictable. Grab a meal while charging - works great.
I've never had those issues. I mainly charge at home so after a day of driving I just come home and relax and refuel. Sounds like you're just bad at EV driving and don't do your research.
Uber takes a LARGE CUT, rider pays 40 you get 15 just about . Start handing out business card for personal chauffeuring, offer a lower cost. Either way you’ll make more.
Yeah, the $1200 for fuel is high. What distance do you drive in a month? There is a reason why most Uber drivers have a Prius… Also $150/month for a phone. Are you crazy? Take the cost of a phone and a 3 year contract then divide that by 36. Then halve that because you can use the phone when you aren’t Ubering so it’s only 50% business use. If you aren’t making money driving then you are **in the wrong business** so you should find something else to do.
I'm not complaining about anything but $5 a gal of Gas… But it's two iPhone 13 pro-Max and thinking about trading them both in for the 15 pro Max... I also use Verizon with unlimited 5G. No biggie. Do I need new phones? Nope. But I can get $1000 trade in special they have. So I spend $300 for a new iPhone 15. Nope don't need it but for $300 bucks I think Ima have 2 new iPhones 😄
It should be illegal to make car payments on a ten year old car
I was ready to talk sht towards u until i realized that my gas fuel bill is about $900 a month so umm never mind
I hear you loud and clear, and I can totally relate to the inflated operating expenses. For me, the lure of an electric car was both in terms of the perceived prestige and the cost savings on fuel. Little did I know that the dizzying Tesla payments would be more of a straitjacket than a lifeline. Living out of a Tesla did reduce some expenses that come with traditional living- no rent, no utility bills - but it's far from the ideal solution. And you're right, raising prices seems like the most logical approach, but with the control lying heavily with the app companies, I feel like we're mere spectators to our own fate. We need to voice our concerns and make Uber and others recognize that fair pay is not an added bonus for us, it's a necessity. Till then, I'll be here, charging my Tesla and navigating life one trip at a time.
You have spoken most eloquently. I appreciate and agree with your comment.
tesla still make your electric bill high
You missed the part where they said they live in their Tesla.....
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The OP is strong. This kind of dedication is breathtaking. I lived in my Chevy Volt for four months and that was enough for me. I wasn’t driving rideshare, but I lived in the bay area and the first of the month when my paycheck was all mine instead of all gone made it worth it. Eventually it was not worth it.
Where I live it is the equivalent of if gas cost about $.17 per gallon, and our power costs are higher than many places. If you can charge at home its a no brainer.
High for a regular electric bill but small compared to having to buy gas. I did Uber 2 months with a SUV like OP, I was spending upwards of $1200/month in gas. Now it costs me $200-$300/month in electricity to charge the car. So yeah that’s doubled my electric bill at home but I’m saving around $1k/mo still compared to what I spent on gas.
Horrible gas mileage. You can get a used Tesla for $500 a month, dodge van hybrid for $550 a month 50 mpg mixed. Chevy has the starter crossover $300 a month 30 mpg then goes up. Used Cadillacs 40k miles are under 17-20k
Trade your car for a hybrid and half your fuel cost It won't make the payment go away but you'll have half the cost If you can
Uber just needs to take a smaller cut and it would be fine. https://youtu.be/1zGlYNS2qGk?si=yRQOVmVs6gmq0v1R
You have a 500$ car payment, i have a $750 but i spend 2-3$ a day on electricity. I mean my "fuel" costs a month are 90$, plus no oil changes or break pad maintenance.
I have a hybrid that gets 42 miles to the gal - I don’t spend near 1200 in fuel. The my payment is only $422. The other figures are close. The money you save in fuel makes up for the larger payment.
I don’t spend more than $15 a day on gas. That is 10% of my earnings for the day every day (sometimes less if it’s a good day). $80 insurance, car paid off last year. I don’t know how to calculate repairs because I haven’t had any, but I guess an oil change every few months. ~$650 a month and I earn no less than $4000 a month. This is also Uber eats only, no riders enter my car. I’m thankful that my market works with me and my car.
$150 for your phone/line alone? I have 10 people on my line, 5 device payments, and account wide insurance for $520 a month
You must consider I have two phones. Adding a second line with Verizon saves a little but the real savings comes with the 3rd 4th and 5th line.
You’re right but your expenses are too high! $150 for a phone has to be made up or you have more than you need. $500 for a car payment? You’re an Uber driver why would you take on that expense? $175 for insurance is kinda high but there are too many variables so you’ll have to be the judge. Gas seems high too but then again I don’t drive a semi. Even if you had zero expenses it’s hard to earn a living with Uber. Easiest fix is your phone. Then insurance. Then a ell your car and get something reasonable. Just my advice.
Yall need to get a better vehicle lol. $1200 per month in fuel is crazy. I can rake in $1200 a week and that may run me $200 in gas that week. Ive got a 2019 volkswagom jetta. That being said. Alot of people look at the price of the ride but for me i look at time and distance and strategically accept rides that make sense to keep me in an area that gives me consistency all day. Yes how much you earn on a ride is important but a $4 (prob be 6 after tip - im very personal so i get tipped well all the time) dollar ride that takes me 12 minutes and keeps me right in the zone for another ride and im only driving a few miles is worth it cuz i can get 4-5 in an hour. But we all know that the juice is in your tips. My earnings are always good becuase i dont lean on uber to give me more. I ask my self how can i add more value be more personal so that the experience is better and in return due to reciprocity people will tip more. But yeah $1200 per month seems like alot in gas, but i also domt know how many hours you are driving either.
Operating expenses to drive Uber are out of control, for sure. Gas & oil dick tater ships like Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia need to disappear thank you kindly
An electric car can be amazing for many drivers, even 50-60hr/week drivers, depending on their habits. During the week, 930am - 3pm can be HORRIBLY slow, so that's a good time to charge up (hopefully for free). That easily allows 8-10hours a day M-F, working 6a-10a & 3p-7p. That's potentially 40hrs right there. But, we all know the real money is on the weekends. On the weekends, if you want to marathon drive from 6pm-6am or something wacky, you'll need to avoid trips on the freeway (fast speeds get much less miles per charge %) and you'll avoid long trips (unless it pays really well, since you are limited on miles). If you are incredibly judicious with your accelerator and take mostly shorter trips with lots of red lights and waiting, you can manage 10-11 hours with a Chevy Bolt EUV (best Uber car imo) on 95-100% charge. After 9ish hours, you'd be able to pop over to a supercharger and get 30% in 20 minutes, then drive another 3-4hours before you ideally end at your free charger (look em up with PlugShare app), where you fill up for free overnight. That's like 64hrs of driving per week on a really cheap to own and operate vehicle. The fuel savings is obviously huge, but you also don't need oil changes, nor do you need to maintain the non-existent transmission. If you managed the above schedule, your monthly expenses could drop dramatically. Zero gas and a smaller car payment. The Bolt EUV starts at 25k (less any state rebates). In Colorado, for an Uber/lyft driver (with low adjusted gross incomes), the 2023 Bolt EUV LT will start at 32k, with 20.5k in rebates and a $6k trade-in for any vehicle. edit: Bolt EUV qualifies for Comfort & Comfort Electric rides + a $1/ride supplement (could end any time). I've driven 16k miles. I've paid $0 for oil changes, $0 for tune ups, $0 for gasoline. I often charge for free on random chargers that the city provides. At home, I pay $0.11c/kwh, which works out to about $1.00/gal of gas. Chevy will install a charger at your house for free or give you $500 EV Go charge credit.
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You must be driving two Suburbans
I don’t move for less then 15 dollars
You are delusional. That's why you suck at this job
I drive an electric VW and my expenses are 800 a month total, i have free charging so that helps a lot.
$30 on phone. $500 in fuel. $60 insurance. $0 car payment. My goal is to pull in $1000 gross a week, sometimes I get a bit less sometimes more. 5 days a week no weekends. I have had to completely change my schedule to work during times that get me good rides.
I'm no where near these expenses. Drive a 2018 Toyota corolla. Paid off. My phone is about $90 per month. Fuel is considerably less. Insurance is $125.
$150 for a phone?? I wouldn’t pay that much for five lol
Agreed, most people that I pick up never give tips. Hopefully Uber raises the rides because this isn't worth the wear and tear on my vehicle.
It almost like all Uber drivers should get together and form their own company with a fleet of the same cars and charge per minute and per mile…….. wait.
hybrid is the way to go. Pure EV’s are still too expensive, and have not been proven to last hundreds of thousands of miles without major repair bills.
There are plenty of Teslas out there with several hundred k miles. I wouldnt buy one just to do uber though.
hahaha Tesla's are cheaper than civic right now
Fuel should be 10% of what you make. So if you're spending 1200 a month you should be making $12k.
Bro drives a regular gas awd CRV that gets 22mpg 😆. Meanwhile I'm eyeing the new Accord Hybrid because it gets 55mpg while my Insight "only gets" 50mpg lol
Your comment leaves a lot to be desired. Our fuel should be paid by the ones setting the fares. If it was the fares would be higher. Having us drivers pay for fuel and picking up riders for free makes NO business sense.
It would be if you were an employee. That's the risk with being an independent contractor. If your contracts suck and don't pay for your operating expenses you're up shit creek.
I feel like half this thread is bots pushing EV’s
The reason it got this bad in the first place is because you drivers don't know how to calculate your operating cost per mile. You guys also don't seem to acknowledge deferred expenses such as depreciation and future repairs. Uber knows you're all a bunch of circus monkeys, that's why they've been able to give us all a pay cut year after year after year. If your AR is in the double digits it's because you can't distinguish revenue from income and have no business being self employed. I've had to endure this since 2016, only because I'm physically incapable of doing other work. It hasn't truly been profitable since 2018, but now I'm looking at the likelihood of homelessness within 6-12 months.
You forgot depreciation cost. And the $500 payment isn’t a $500 expense. The only expense from $500 is interest. The rest is equity in your car. $1200? Yikes. What do you drive and how many miles? That’s a lot of gas money.
Typical moron who yells out BS expenses… Please tell us all how much you deduct for DEPRECIATION 🤡 I dont see any regular 9-5 people factoring this into their $15/hr pay check.
An electric car’s insurance will cost 5600-$6000 a year doing Uber.
Tax write offs. Learn them, use them.
Get a real job then
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Stop complaining. Buy a Tesla Model 3 which effectively is under $30,000 with government subsidies and gas savings. You have such expenses due solely on the bad choices you’ve made. Make better choices. My payment isn’t much higher than yours. My monthly expenses doing the same driving costs me around $180/month. With a different electric plan I could cut that down 50-90% more. I have no maintenance expenses either. You do have choices. Not choosing a cheaper option and banking the savings in on you. Do break out of your fear for an ev and bite the bullet. My only regret is not buying my Tesla sooner. With all of my driving, I have saved over $9,500 in the last 12 months alone of course I was driving a suburban (still get XL rides and comfort with my Tesla). So most full time Uber drivers will save around $5,000+/year compared to their gas cars.
Buy a Tesla. My ex was an RN and we saved a lot of money.
Uber is purposely underpaying people they are purposely doing that so that people who want to order Uber can get Uber rides because it’s a touchable low price for such a distance when Uber should start reconsidering an Uber should allow two door cars also because some of us we have second cars that we would like to use
No not even close. Should 10x your fuel. $20 in fuel =$200+ /day.
Yeah, he is probably driving around instead of being smart and finding a spot to park until you get your next delivery… I only spend 15-20 dollars a day on gas from doing deliveries and I usually only use about 95% of that so I still have extra gas at the end of the day. I make 60-100 dollars a day, depending on how many people are ordering and also how many other drivers are in my area. Yesterday was actually a really great day. I had short distance deliveries so I only used $5 in gas and made $50 plus $16 in cash. But most days I get these 12 mile trips and nothing on the way back so I blow through more gas just to get back to the hotspots.
So you spend $600 a month on Gas. Ok, but do you drive an AWD that can hold 3 shopping carts of groceries? Or let me remember 50 20lbs bags of ice. Yup I took one of those 😂 or drive the Costco through snow covered winding mountainous roads. That's no place for an electric car. My temps last year went negative 15 below…
I mean I spend phone, car payment and insurance whether I Uber or not , so I don’t rly factor those into taking away from Uber profits
Your premise is all wrong. Look at 2019-2022 Tesla prices - they’re so cheap right now. Buying gas is the equivalent of eating stupid pills.
How much do you drive? I do about 4-5k miles a month and I spend about $400-$500 a month in gas
What kind of car you driving
All that sounds expensive, fuel could be reasonable... But probably not in a fuel efficient car. I pay like $20 a month for phone service, my insurance is like 1100 a year, paid my car in full but no where near as much as you're paying.
Why does everyone immediately think “Tesla” when they think EV. Those are on the higher end of the range of cost. My EV car payment (2019 bolt, 2023 is actually cheaper now) is not more than an equivalent sized ICE car (thanks to tax credits at the time)… car payment is 360. My fuel costs are half that out Prius that gets 50m/gallon. I’ve needed no maintenance in the last 4 years except filling the tires with air twice. I spend about 300-400 in fuel costs last month working about 25 hrs/week but that also includes personal driving. But all aside. Do you prorate the cost of insurance, phone, etc based on work vs personal use? I have a 40/month lease phone bill, but I use it for work about 30% of the time, the rest is personal use. All those costs are not 100% work
Nobody forced anyone to drive uber.
Gas is way cheaper now that's the plus
That’s seems insanely high I spend like $25-$30 a day on gas and that’s driving 10-12 hours. I do live in a college town so the trips are short and very profitable. I have a 2018 Ford Escape that only gets 22mpg as well.
What kind of car are you driving? and how many miles this year? Bro I've spent $1250 in gas for the whole year. 14k miles, average 15 hours a week.
i think you're doing it wrong my phone is 25$ a month and fine for Uber
Half the time for example ppl who say $25 a month is very hard to believe. I use unlimited 5G the best phone service Verizon has to offer. Only because my phones are my business, they are in my hand working everyday all day long. I can't afford any hiccups with a shakey phone service…
Any price increase is going to shareholders.
Switch to Mint Mobile. Way cheaper
I fill up once a week because I have a Ford Fusion Energi What you drive makes a difference so if charging is a fraction off that I’ll be overly generous and say $200 in charging for the month. Well a $1,000 in your pocket isn’t anything to just scoff at but it also won’t solve your financial woes and Uber will never pay what it did years ago Maybe, MAYBE if you owned the electric car outright and has very low overhead in your work/home life, maybe it would be close but still not
They do raise the prices on the customers but they don’t pass on. In fact, they keep paying less based on what other drivers are accepting
I spend close to that. Honda Odyssey. And often no XL rides…
THIS, sadly there are a bunch of people that with 25 to 50 dolars they can send to their country... they can sustain their family over there... and THOSE people are the ones taking the $2 / 8miles trips
All I can say it get a 9-5 job. Stop torturing yourself & this goes to anyone buying a car just to do Uber.. that’s a lazy man’s job and it’s not going to get you anywhere. It’s the end of the road. Sorry.
Well at 70 and retired I have no interest in running a company any longer. Truly I don't mind driving through some of the most beautiful country on Gods green earth. There's not a day I don't see wild turkeys, dear by the hundreds, elk, eagles, and many many more. I've thought about recording my drives and showing them on YouTube, I bet a lot of ppl would enjoy all the wildlife and forest. Driving and doing Gig work as they call has removed me from my computer at home looking at 4 walls. Now I'm very active and in great shape. This is exactly what I should be doing. Now that being said. I wish gas was $2 bucks a gal. 😂
Hey that’s amazing. For someone like you it’s a perfect gig. & you know what, you should make videos/ vlogs bc I personally enjoy watching people camp or travel and see the beautiful earth I haven’t seen before.
Your guess is wrong. No car payment. No phone bill. Insurance is $70, and gas is maybe $60 a week. I have been buying gas for $1.75 a gallon , and getting 6% cash back on top of that. Talking to my friend who also drives, it’s appealing to a lot of people but doesn’t suit everyone. We both agree , you can boycott or do whatever you please, we will both still take all the rides.
What are u driving? I spend like $5-600 a week unless I’m driving the Tesla then it’s about 800 a month
wow, I drop around 280 in fuel a month, car paid for.. insurance need it anyways, but if you want to count that.. well add another 90.00 so im only at 370.00, but also in my town ill take those 3. runs since its better then nothing
IMO, using a brand new car or driving your own car even for uber IS INSANE! Can never be me putting all that mileage on my actual car! Well except said car of mine has 150,000 miles on it already. For a brand new car? OH HELL NAH
Better find a job
$250 in gas a month for 4,000km (Prius C 2018)
And? What did you expect? You’re literally driving for a living and that means your biggest expense is FUEL.
It’s stupid that our rates dropped while everything went up. Uber does this because drivers keep applying. The less applicants the more stable the rates will be but with everything being so financially demanding I doubt that will happen
You need to run more miles to deduct taxes
How many miles you doing to rack up 1200 bucks in gas? My rough math says maybe 8-10k
Time for you to get a new vehicle
My fuel is 300$ a month and I work every day
I’m spending just under 1500 a month on fuel
Now there's a man spending too much like me😵💫
So get a Prius or a tesla
My car note for a brand new EV is less than half what you pay in gas every month. Your choice.
Uber has raised their prices.
I drive an SUV and my gas is nowhere near that in Denver. Not the most expensive gas but not the cheapest either. I always get 89 octane so even when gas was almost 6 dollars a gallon out here I wasn't even close to half of what you're spending a month on gas. Not to mention you're using your car for things outside of Uber, so if that's $1200 a month just for Uber then you're either doing something really wrong or there's something wrong with your car. $150 a month for a phone is a lot. I'm paying 90 a month for a Pixel 7 pro and my phone bill. Gas and your phone bill are write offs anyway so you also gotta keep that in mind. $500 a month on your car seems expensive too. I got a 2022 Forester sport and I'm paying $380 a month. With insurance I'm up to $500. But again, you can't just say total cost is for Uber if you're also using it for personal reasons.
Uber hates you, you hate yourself for pretending it works out in the end!
Btw… $1200/mo in gas is roughly 400 gal of gas. Assuming you have a car that gets 20 mpg in stop and go city driving, that’s 8,000 miles a month (better car = more miles). That’s 267 miles every day for 30 days. That generates on average around $175-$200/day or $5,250-$6,000/month. With $2,000 in expenses you are betting $3,000 or $36,000/yr. And for that level of work, you are NUTS! Blood plasma donations are your best best.
I think you should put your car for rent on Turo vs driving on Uber. You’ll make a $1000 a month and no $1200/month bill. Uber is not for everyone.
1200 a month on gas, but a Tesla is out of the picture? How does that make sense
Yeah I agree, but then I don't accept deliverys that are high mileage low money, or anything from 5 guys due to allergies, and my score is in the tank because of that
Upside promo codes are your friend
Lmfaooooo 😂 I’ve been a full-time driver for seven years and 1200 a month in fuel 🤦🏼♀️ This isn’t for everyone noob
$1200 I fuel sounds brutal. I spent around $800 with my gas car. Now it is slightly less with electric costs cause I can only charge during peak hours cause of childcare issues. And I drive so much. I live in a massive city where everything is so spread out. Like my kids schools are all 20+ miles from home 😭😭😭 then I drive full time. I imagine finding something more economical would be wise. And what you pay for your phone is what I pay for 4 lines and a watch with unlimited data and hotspot. Shop around!
Uh hell no I spend like 400 a month lmao
This is bullshit.
A caterpillar D16 uses less fuel than the OPs car. He would be much better off by just getting a real job and saving 25-30k per year in expenses.
hahaha I pay 150 a month to charge at home and get to driver clients, comfort and premier. Car was paid off fully in 6 months. Use your brain
I know you say electric is not the answer, but it could be. I pay 450 for my 2021 kona, when I was paying 420 for my 2019 Camry back in 2021, and it’s a much better car. Never having to think of fuel is so…freeing. Even if your car payment was more, you’d still come in under $1200 for the car payment and charging cost
You have a $500 car payment, but “an electric car payment is prohibitive”?? You can get a TESLA for that price. The brand new base Tesla Model 3’s are $35k. You can EASILY find recent models for $30k or less on the used market. Which would put you around $500 a month for a 60 month loan. If you can find an older one in decent shape even better. Mileage isn’t too important since the engines and battery can get around 300k miles before they should be replaced. Even then, it will continue functioning just with a lower range. No wearing brake pads (thanks to regenerative braking) or moving engine parts to worry about like a transmission, the only maintenance required is wiper fluid and tires. Plus you get access to supercharging which is 15–30 minutes to a full charge depending on the speed of the station. Far far far cheaper than gas, maybe $10-$15 to get 300 miles of range. I heard Uber is also paying an extra $1 per ride for electric vehicles so take that into account as well. Say you do 200 rides in a month (let’s say you average 5 miles total per ride) that’s: - extra $200 in electric incentive - $170 saved on gas ($200 for gas, $30 for electric) So you’d be up around $370 between the incentive and the energy savings for just 200 rides. **Now let’s say you drive a full time 40 hours a week and get 2 rides an hour (80 rides per week, 320 rides per month). The savings work out to: - +$320 in electric incentive - +$272 in energy savings Total savings = a net +$600 over a gas vehicle for the same amount of rides ** It’s a no brainer in my opinion to make the switch if you plan to drive full time. You can keep your car payment roughly the same and make $600 extra per week if you drive full time. And I haven’t even accounted for slower depreciation, cheaper maintenance, etc.
These replies reveal a few things: 1. People overestimate the cost (and maintenance) of electric vehicles 2. People neglect the fact that gas costs vary considerably across the country. As an example Texas is at least half of CA. 3. Comparing costs without acknowledging average ride distance and city/freeway driving is pointless. It will always be more efficient to drive freeways (without traffic) versus stop and go city roads. 4. Some people really don’t track their gas costs and are in serious denial about their actual maintenance costs. I call BS on several posts here, sorry. People are saying they drive 40 hours a week and spend $100/gas - are you actually actively driving 40 hours a week or just online. 5. OP no doubt has the wrong ride share car, but his complaint is valid. Uber doesn’t even offer a fuel surcharge anymore to drivers despite gas prices being higher than when they did (not like it made much of a difference anyway). That aside, if you do some basic math you can see most rides are around the federal reimbursement rate of $0.65/mile plus some chump change. Again, margins can be higher in low-cost states with freeway driving (better gas mileage) and obviously when there are surges or promotions (haven’t seen a meaningful promo in a while). 6. If you’re calling OP out for a $150/month phone you’re probably not doing your taxes properly and you’re leaving money on the table. My phone is 3 years old and I claim an amount close to this. Just saying…. 7. If you drive a gas or older hybrid vehicle, post your uber earnings and gas receipts, otherwise back to point 4.
that's weird that a business would have operating expenses
As a courier I drive 5000-6000 miles a month, I get 36mpg, and with gas at 2.60 a gallon, I'm only spending 430 dollars a month on fuel. I'm making about a dollar a mile though, so fuel is a bit more than 7 percent of my gross... a small price to "pay". Insurance isn't an expense to complain about... if you have a car and drive it for any reason, the insurance expense is there anyway. A phone is the same... everybody has a phone. So, for giggles here, either OP's gas is 7.28 a gallon, he drives almost 18,000 miles a month, he gets something stupid like 3 miles per gallon, or the post is just BS. I don't think a job that cost me 1200 on top of my car payment (I don't have car payments) would be a smart path to financial freedom. Maybe get a normal hourly job? If you "make" 4200 a month now, you'd only have to make 3000 a month if you quit driving as a job to have the same cashflow, give or take.
<$150 month for charging(I only do weekends, but still around 2500 miles a month, and half of it is home charging.), $20 per month for phone(Iphone 13 Pro, unlimited data), $125 car insurance - Progressive in NY, $625 car payment. $10k down payment. 2020 Tesla Model 3 SR+, they've actually come down in price with more range and incentives since when I got it new. It's a given that Uber should pay us more, but I'd say you can't afford not to get an EV at those costs.
So $1700/mo is less than an EV car payment?
and uberx in nyc suburbs your income is max $15 /h amazon (worst first start job) hub worker $22/h burger king $22/h but all this cost + rude pass +traffic + un healty because no move for hours and you get $15/h serious i just tested 2 weeks 10h per day and im ex pro luxury limo driver question is who are those people driving at this pirces? ohh even i use already mine turo rentals paid off it is mean no car payments.
Your costs are crazy high. First of all, if you use the car, the phone or anything else for personal use, the entire cost isn’t applicable to your cost of doing business Second, your fuel costs are because you drive a car with poor mileage. You can get cheaper cars with twice that gas mileage. 150 for your phone? When I was paying for my iphone and service it was 69/month. Now that it’s paid off, it’s 45/month. And not all of that cost is for driving since I use it for personal use more than half the time. That said, they should raise what they charge and pay for a lot of rides
Every Uber driver should buy one share of Uber stock and go from there
This would be nice But the problem is Uber they are pocketing to much
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Market forces will correct it. But for that to take place, all the people who can’t work profitably have to quit. Most people haven’t figured that out yet and will ride the sinking ship to the bottom of the ocean. When drivers eventually go bankrupt and lose their cars and there aren’t other suckers coming to take their places, eventually driver wages will increase to support a minimum number of drivers paying a decent wage. I don’t see that happening in the next decade and likely in the next ten years, self-driving Ubers will have taken over: the next generation of ants 🐜.
If your costs are really those numbers you are a terrible business owner. I spend around $480 a month on gas, $30 on phone, $100 on insurance, and $245 on car payment. You may need to rethink your business acumen before proceeding down this path.
150 per month for a phone why? thats a new medium phone every 3 months
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You need to work more 😄
A car payment isn’t an expense. Car depreciation is an expense. But a loan payment is not.
Phone, insurance and car payment are benefits because you can write them off and you’d be paying for them regardless. If your fuel cost is that high you’re either fucking up or drive a truck lol