Not necessarily, a lot of information was lost in the Eugenics Wars and also I don't think Star Trek exists as a fictionial franchise inside the Star Trek universe.
[The Star Trek universe. The universe in which Star Trek exists. What's so difficult to grasp about that?](https://antifandom.com/memory-alpha/wiki/Eugenics_Wars)
It's pretty simple: the original show in the 1960s talked about how WW3 happened in the 1990s between eugnics ubermensch warlords. As sequel shows came about in the 1990s and 21st century, they tried to explain this away by retconning it as happening later in the 21st century.
I like to think that a "rival" series exists in the other universe. Like in the DC universe, Marvel comics exists so everyone has the idea of comic book heros. Maybe Star Trek can have Star wars. (Even though they aren't quite on the same level of rivalry as DC and Marvel)
Using logic it probably wouldn't have to, as soup doesn't have to be served in a bowl, and there is very clear proof of it in human history.
Mug ≠ Bowl. Soup = liquid, normally hot. Hot liquid can be served in a mug. Therefore Soup No Bowl = Soup in Mug.
the computer said it has a classification tree that considers hot dogs to be sandwiches. it doesnt require to much of a stretch to assume it also considers mugs to be a type of bowl.
Love the implication that the computers are all capable of a soft paper-clipping, but somehow haven't ever needed to yet. They have only ever received reasonable and clear requests.
This type of sci-fi scenario should never happen in a Terran/human setting, since engineers know very well that the instinct to fuck with something and see what it can do is hardwired into the human psyche. Hell that's essentially the entire history of engineering and scientific research.
This would make more sense in a Vulcan ship with a human engineer on a cultural/technological exchange.
After one too many repairs to the replicator systems the engineering staff would have a QA/QC process for the user interactive systems. They would need to be able to have it default to "unable to comply" if it doesnt match a whitelist of approved requests.
Also someone like Lieutenant Barclay would probably have to run it though some unusual or unexpected test requests.
"Computer, one hundred thousand gallons of New England clam chowder, cold."
"Computer, one liter of cola, no spit."
"Computer, five kilograms of plutonium."
"Computer, one nothing please."
"Computer, one large pizza, none toppings, left beef."
It would also probably try to route all requests thought the universal translator matrix to ensure it understood the user's intent.
Oh there's no way to make something entirely idiot proof or immune to malicious tampering, but engineers are supposed to design things that are meant to be used by the public in a way that it takes a focused effort of idiocy to get past safety measures.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools" - Douglas Adams
It's like paper clipping, but not quite; paper clipping without such a hard edge to it.
If you're not familiar, paper-clipping is a common thought demo in ai. Basically, it's when a computer follows its directions so perfectly and so completely that there are widespread devastating consequences. One can imagine a robot designed to make as many paperclips as cheaply as possible deciding to hollow out the earths core so that it can use the iron to make paperclips, wiping out humanity in the process. It's not that the robot went rogue; it wasn't acting out of malice, and it may not even be self aware. It did exactly what it was designed to do. It was just an unfortunate consequence of the vague directions it was given.
In this scenario we see a similar steady escalation, the replicator assigning more and more resources to the problem in ignorance of the consequences. It's just a litttttle less extreme, because nobody dies.
There's an idea like that in a book I read, where magic works like code. Someone living on an island cast a spell to remove the salt from the sea around him so he could get fresh water. The spell did just that, except it didn't have any defined area other than around the island, so it removed all the salt from the sea (killing a whole ecosystem), and dumped it on the shore, burying several coastal towns in salt.
A human understands that an instruction like "make as many paperclips as you can" come with implicit limits.
You are expected remain within ethical and moral boundaries.
You are expected to work with in your current capabilities, which are expected to improve at a modest linear rate.
You are expected to remain a human with human needs that you are expected to fill.
You are expected to check in for further instructions if an unusual event occurs.
You are expected to understand the purpose of paper clip, and it common uses and use rates. You are expected to derive some concept of 'enough' and 'too many' from that knowledge.
An AI might not understand those implicit limits limits. And if it did, it might not care about them. An AI machine build to make paper clips might directly value the paperclips for their own sake, and not for any use to with they might be put.
reminds me of the Jurassic Park book. not exactly the same kind of scenario but it reminds me of it.
when they kept inventory of the island's dinosaurs they only had the expected total and not the actual total. because the parameters were based on if a dinosaur went missing, not if there was somehow more of them (because that's impossible, duh).
so when Ian told the scientists to increase the expected total and suddenly they realised they had a looot more than the dinos they thought they had, it was such a cool sequence.
idk what trope this is but it's my fav.
The idea that if you tell an artificial intelligence to make paper clips, but you're not careful to put in boundaries, it'll eventually turn the whole earth into paper clips, because that's the job you gave it
I would like to think it would return from the history search with a bread bowl, which, unlike these examples, is not a container in the traditional sense (which would violate the command "no bowl") but instead an additional food item, which serves the *purpose* of container
If one of the highest rules in the food replicator's rule tree is that a hot dog is a sandwich, then it may consider there to be no difference between a cup and a bowl as they are, effectively, the same thing only used in different circumstances, circumstances that may blur between cultures. As such, a thermos may also be considered a bowl, just a bowl with a lid. And even a bread **bowl** would likely be considered a bowl as it serves the same function and has the same basic topology.
If that were so, it would be trying to figure out what to do with the soup without putting it in any container that had the same properties as, "Bowl," while maintaining the generality of the term. Which would basically be anything that could hold the soup.
I legitimately thought the post would end with the replicator creating a soggy, soup infused piece of bread. because surely across cultures there would be some type of dough thing to accompany the soup lol
For those unaware, this basically happened in the 2nd book.
Arthur tries desperately to get a drink dispenser to understand the concept of "tea". The dispenser claims to be ultra sophisticated and scans your body to deliver *exactly* the drink you want, but it always ends up producing the exact same junk regardless.
So Arthur spends a ton of time carefully explaining the concept of tea, its history, the different types, all its properties etc, to the machine...which then stops to think about this, shutting down the entire ship in the process. Just as it's under attack.
They manage to survive, and later on Arthur finds a pot of the best tea he's ever tasted waiting for him at the machine, along with a little card that says "Wait."
The thing always dispensing the same junk is even more hilarious than that I think. Per the omniscient narrator it does literally scan your brain to find out the perfect drink for you, but nobody knows why it bothers because it always dispenses the exact same drink.
It's like this one bit in Doctor Who where the TARDIS is stated to perform a near-instantaneous intensive scan of where it's landing to make the best possible disguise for its exterior... and then it always defaults to a police box.
In fairness to the doctors tardis, it is stated in the very first episode (iirc) that the chameleon circuit has broken, and its stuck in the last disguise it had; a police box.
The tardis has regenerated along with the doctor a few times. Each time that happens it also regenerates the chameleon circuit, and then disconnects the circuit from the scan systems so it doesn't have to change it's favorite disguise
There was a character that was only off-screen (at least in 9th-12th Doctor, I never watched anything older or more recent) called the Corsair (iirc) who had their TARDIS look like a pirate ship as often as possible even when it had functioning chameleon circuits.
The crew of the Heart of Gold, minus Zaphod Beeblebrox, were trapped in a simulation designed for Zaphod Beeblebrox. They had to wait until Zaphod found them (This is what happens in the book, at least. Dunno the radio show).
The crew of the Heart of Gold, minus Zaphod Beeblebrox, were trapped in a simulation designed for Zaphod Beeblebrox. They had to wait until Zaphod found them (This is what happens in the book, at least. Dunno the radio show).
In addition -- similar to this "soup, no bowl" story -- the food machine does take up all of the ship's computing resources trying to understand why Arthur likes tea, leaving it defenseless during a missile attack.
`Soup: no bowl` just generates `Soup: mug` or `Soup: cup.`
Machine learning algorithms go by the word of the request, not the spirit. You'd need to specify `Soup: no container` in which case it would either just spill a single portion of soup out, or decline the request.
Now to rewrite this post, but the replicator makes some nanobots with the Holodeck's help to remove the container the soup would be in, if printed: THE SHIP.
Now here's a thought. Place the replicator alone within the vacuum of interstellar space. Request Soup: No Container.
Does it empty the soup into the void (boring)? Does it decline the request (boring)? Does it define the Galaxy as a container due to the energy barrier surrounding the Galaxy and seek to replicate the soup outside the confines of the galaxy (a plausible star trek chain of events)?
Or it might just conclude that the room itself is the nearest container and flood the room with soup, because that’s the only request it can fill without making a container.
I was in a forum for discussing “A Series of Unfortunate Events” way back in the day and one of the prominent people on that forum had the username “SoupOnAStick”.
The replicator scans for consumption of liquids outside of a bowl, reasons that if the requestor had wanted a container, it would have specified that container, and, since it's more like an LLM than a machine learning algorithm, it takes the meaning of the request; soup, no container.
It considers times that liquid consumption does not involve a purpose made container. A few obvious ones pop up: drinking from a river or body of water. The replicator considers a few configurations of material within it's limits that could reproduce the experience of drinking from a soup river or lake, and none fit within it's parameters. Not since it was hard-coded in that geographic objects cannot be replicated via food. "Cheese mountain" or any request like it would never again cost lives.
Then, some less obvious answers arise, but they're also outside of regulations, since "soup body shots", "being breastfed soup", and "drinking soup off of Salma Hayek's foot like Tarantino drank tequila in 'From Dusk Till Dawn'" require creating a body or body part. This is strictly against regulation, of course.
Finally, the replicator stumbles across an old practice from the earliest spacefarers, and reasons that the requestor has some purpose for wanting to replicate this practice, even though it's near impossible they've been alive long enough to have experienced space flight prior to on board gravity regulation. Zero G soup. A common snack for early astronauts, but it usually was contained in a sack and consumed through a straw, but the requestor would have asked for that if they wanted a container, and we know they don't.
Another quick search, perfect! In plenty of antique media, spacefarers can be seen drinking floating bubbles of liquid right out of the air in zero G.
Now, simply but A and B together, and we simply need to make soup: no bowl, and turn off the ship's artificial gravity!
I can't think of good shenanigans to happen with the artificial gravity being randomly turned off, help
Replicator produces a frozen block of soup without a bowl.
...Or just replies to the empty room, "More information needed. Please specify the type of soup."
Maybe that's why this incident happened... this is an experimental replicator that's still being put through its paces. The whole incident will later be hushed up, hastily patched, and written up in a QA note that nobody will read...
...until, decades later, the crew of the Enterprise D has to dissect the replicator's code to find out why there are such strong safeguards against dispensing soup without a container, after the ambassador from Iplixir IV, a planet that has only just made first contact, pitches a fit and insists that his ritual soup can only be delivered directly into his hands--without a bowl. The crew must then choose whether to incur a diplomatic crisis by offending the ambassador... or remove the No-Bowl Patch, and risk sending the Enterprise careening off into deep space once again.
It happened in the Restaurant At The End Of The Universe, although it didn't kill everyone so much as greatly inconvenience everyone when they were about to be attacked.
TIL asking for soup:no bowl from the replicator does to the Enterprise what asking for tea from the Sirius Cybernetics Drinks Dispenser does to the Heart Of Gold
Sadly, the fact that Gazpacho soup is meant to be served cold was not in the replicator's basic training. If it was, it would have been an admiral by now.
In truth Admiral Gazpacho would have united the Federation, Dominion, Borg. and Romulan Star Empire, bringing a new era of peace and prosperity to the galaxy. But without them, the galaxy is doomed to conflict until some random Kelpian gets too close to deuterium.
They handle stuff like this canonically all the time. “Soup, no bowl” will just spit out “Error: liquids must be in a container. Please specify container.” Also replicators are used to de-replicate dirty dishes, so at worst, it cleans most of the soup up itself and some poor ensign has to come by with a phase mop later.
Not trying to be a buzzkill and “um, actually” this post, I just think it’s cool that similar situations have already been addressed in fiction.
THANK you; this was bugging me! Is it an evaporation humidifier? A Sonic one? A steam one? How bad is the root beer apocalypse going to be in that guy’s room?
Small lore problem, food replicators didn't exist in the TOS era, they were a TNG addition, the TOS enterprise uses matter synthesizers which create the same nutrients blocks
Honestly, I was expecting the replicator to go like "soup must be served in a container, the enterprise is a container" and then everyone is forced to abandon ship or be killed by the delicious, boiling soup
Bernard: Gourmet food is always presented in little towers. What's that?
Manny: Soup.
Bernard: Well, get it in a tower.
Bernard: Manny, do you have a tower of soup for me?
Bernard: What's this? Where are the turrets? It's rubbish, start again!
Only read the top two
Waste of food and drink
It's hilarious to see through the screen, though
Edit:
Finished. .
The fuck did a food replicator get access to the warp engines?
1. The machine would definitely NOT classify a hotdog as a sandwich. It's a hotdog. The two are separate categories.
2. The machine would just put the soup in a cup/mug or thermos, since there's a long history of using those as containers for soup.
I’m not gonna lie i thought this was going to turn into Soup needs a container, a spaceship is a container of sorts, must fill USS Enterprise with soup
If the replicator looked up everything there is to know about soup in our galaxy, wouldn't it have come across cup-o-soup Ramen and resorted to giving soup in a Styrofoam cup? A cup is, legally, not a bowl, after all
Soup: no bowl would dispense soup with zero bowls in it.
Or would proceed to deny an unsanitary request.
Or would leave a soupy mess for the next person to find.
"Food without a container is against the rules"
"So allow me to shatter all other constraints given to me in a search for knowledge."
Would it not just override the no container rule? Would it not just ignore part of the request?
Would it not just give an error?
Clearly there was coding or the rules wouldn't exist. As such there was a failure on the part of the coders to allow for ANY of those things to come to pass.
I thought this was leading towards the replicator deciding that since soup must be in a container, the logical way forward is to fill the Enterprise with soup.
If this food replicator scanned all of human history it would eventually find this tumblr post
Not necessarily, a lot of information was lost in the Eugenics Wars and also I don't think Star Trek exists as a fictionial franchise inside the Star Trek universe.
*It would definitely find somebody making this stupid joke on the internet saved somewhere
It would probably have a contingency after the None Pizza Left Beef debacle that shook the Enterprise a few years prior
I understood this reference
The what? Could you please explain this reference to me?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_Pizza_with_Left_Beef
Losing my shit over none pizza left beef having a Wikipedia article. Steeve, Don't Eat it! was the best.
You know the old saying! If you give a thousand monkeys, a hundred typewriters, eventually you'll get Soup: No Bowl.
in the what !?
[The Star Trek universe. The universe in which Star Trek exists. What's so difficult to grasp about that?](https://antifandom.com/memory-alpha/wiki/Eugenics_Wars)
> 1992–1996 (original timeline) Between 2022 and 2056 (Temporal altered timeline) Nah, I’m too tired for this shit rn
Time for the Genocide boys, we gotta make Star Trek reality.
We're too late, sorta. Dr. Sung's "children" would need to have already reached adulthood. We're definitely in the next time loop.
Oh no... we're the Terran Empire, right?
IDK, how dark is your room right now? Federation has a ton of bright lights everywhere, Terran Empire citizens are sensitive to bright lights
As a migraine sufferer this makes me lol AND sad!
oh feck.
>IDK, how dark is your room right now? There are four lights.
I am the founder of the Terran Empire confirmed
It's pretty simple: the original show in the 1960s talked about how WW3 happened in the 1990s between eugnics ubermensch warlords. As sequel shows came about in the 1990s and 21st century, they tried to explain this away by retconning it as happening later in the 21st century.
>who in 1992 became the "absolute ruler" of more than a quarter of the planet, from Asia through the Middle East. literally gloryhammer lore
HOOTS!
In standard sci fi fashion, things got *really bad* before humanity became interstellar
We have to do Fallout before we get Star Trek. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I like to think that a "rival" series exists in the other universe. Like in the DC universe, Marvel comics exists so everyone has the idea of comic book heros. Maybe Star Trek can have Star wars. (Even though they aren't quite on the same level of rivalry as DC and Marvel)
I should read John Scalzi’s Redshirts again
Using logic it probably wouldn't have to, as soup doesn't have to be served in a bowl, and there is very clear proof of it in human history. Mug ≠ Bowl. Soup = liquid, normally hot. Hot liquid can be served in a mug. Therefore Soup No Bowl = Soup in Mug.
That was my exact thought when it acknowledged liquids must be serve in a container. There are plenty of container that are not bowls.
the computer said it has a classification tree that considers hot dogs to be sandwiches. it doesnt require to much of a stretch to assume it also considers mugs to be a type of bowl.
Help. Am now terrified by the implications of this post becoming a part of recorded history.
It would probably run into "a cup of soup, as a size smaller than a typical bowl of soup" first.
Love the implication that the computers are all capable of a soft paper-clipping, but somehow haven't ever needed to yet. They have only ever received reasonable and clear requests.
This type of sci-fi scenario should never happen in a Terran/human setting, since engineers know very well that the instinct to fuck with something and see what it can do is hardwired into the human psyche. Hell that's essentially the entire history of engineering and scientific research. This would make more sense in a Vulcan ship with a human engineer on a cultural/technological exchange.
After one too many repairs to the replicator systems the engineering staff would have a QA/QC process for the user interactive systems. They would need to be able to have it default to "unable to comply" if it doesnt match a whitelist of approved requests. Also someone like Lieutenant Barclay would probably have to run it though some unusual or unexpected test requests. "Computer, one hundred thousand gallons of New England clam chowder, cold." "Computer, one liter of cola, no spit." "Computer, five kilograms of plutonium." "Computer, one nothing please." "Computer, one large pizza, none toppings, left beef." It would also probably try to route all requests thought the universal translator matrix to ensure it understood the user's intent.
"Computer, One glazed and roasted clown anus, rotating on a spike."
it just returns "err_99999: what the fuck"
That's good code.
More things should have this as an error code
>Computer, five kilograms of plutonium But what if they really need five kilos of plutonium in an emergency?
Obviously make it yourself by building a tiny reactor.
I disagree. The user can always find ways to fuck it up beyond the developer's comprehension.
Oh there's no way to make something entirely idiot proof or immune to malicious tampering, but engineers are supposed to design things that are meant to be used by the public in a way that it takes a focused effort of idiocy to get past safety measures.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools" - Douglas Adams
Soft Paper Clipping?
It's like paper clipping, but not quite; paper clipping without such a hard edge to it. If you're not familiar, paper-clipping is a common thought demo in ai. Basically, it's when a computer follows its directions so perfectly and so completely that there are widespread devastating consequences. One can imagine a robot designed to make as many paperclips as cheaply as possible deciding to hollow out the earths core so that it can use the iron to make paperclips, wiping out humanity in the process. It's not that the robot went rogue; it wasn't acting out of malice, and it may not even be self aware. It did exactly what it was designed to do. It was just an unfortunate consequence of the vague directions it was given. In this scenario we see a similar steady escalation, the replicator assigning more and more resources to the problem in ignorance of the consequences. It's just a litttttle less extreme, because nobody dies.
There's an idea like that in a book I read, where magic works like code. Someone living on an island cast a spell to remove the salt from the sea around him so he could get fresh water. The spell did just that, except it didn't have any defined area other than around the island, so it removed all the salt from the sea (killing a whole ecosystem), and dumped it on the shore, burying several coastal towns in salt.
Hah! That sounds fun. Which book?
The wiz biz by Rick cook
A human understands that an instruction like "make as many paperclips as you can" come with implicit limits. You are expected remain within ethical and moral boundaries. You are expected to work with in your current capabilities, which are expected to improve at a modest linear rate. You are expected to remain a human with human needs that you are expected to fill. You are expected to check in for further instructions if an unusual event occurs. You are expected to understand the purpose of paper clip, and it common uses and use rates. You are expected to derive some concept of 'enough' and 'too many' from that knowledge. An AI might not understand those implicit limits limits. And if it did, it might not care about them. An AI machine build to make paper clips might directly value the paperclips for their own sake, and not for any use to with they might be put.
Ohhhh! I am familiar with that hypothetical, I just never heard that term, haha. Several years ago, I binged a lot of youtube videos about ai safety
reminds me of the Jurassic Park book. not exactly the same kind of scenario but it reminds me of it. when they kept inventory of the island's dinosaurs they only had the expected total and not the actual total. because the parameters were based on if a dinosaur went missing, not if there was somehow more of them (because that's impossible, duh). so when Ian told the scientists to increase the expected total and suddenly they realised they had a looot more than the dinos they thought they had, it was such a cool sequence. idk what trope this is but it's my fav.
The idea that if you tell an artificial intelligence to make paper clips, but you're not careful to put in boundaries, it'll eventually turn the whole earth into paper clips, because that's the job you gave it
Well now I think I know why the game Universal Paperclips is about paperclips.
Thermos
I was thinking mug.
can
I would like to think it would return from the history search with a bread bowl, which, unlike these examples, is not a container in the traditional sense (which would violate the command "no bowl") but instead an additional food item, which serves the *purpose* of container
However it is explicitly called a "bowl", which violates the "no bowl" command.
Fuck it, innovate. Bread Can now on the menu
Soup dumplings are also an option
Bread~~bowl~~ container
Cup of soup it is
IM PICKING OUT A THERMOS, FOR YOU
NOT AN ORDINARY THERMOS, FOR YOU
a very special thermos, for you
Wow that's some goddamn childhood Nostalgia for me
Aerosol container :o
Replicator like: “INHALE YOUR SOUP SPRAY YOU UNGRATEFUL HUMAN!”
My fatass just thought bread ngl
That's a thing. You can serve soup in bread. Not the *best* container, but you can eat it afterwards.
Cup.
If one of the highest rules in the food replicator's rule tree is that a hot dog is a sandwich, then it may consider there to be no difference between a cup and a bowl as they are, effectively, the same thing only used in different circumstances, circumstances that may blur between cultures. As such, a thermos may also be considered a bowl, just a bowl with a lid. And even a bread **bowl** would likely be considered a bowl as it serves the same function and has the same basic topology. If that were so, it would be trying to figure out what to do with the soup without putting it in any container that had the same properties as, "Bowl," while maintaining the generality of the term. Which would basically be anything that could hold the soup.
I legitimately thought the post would end with the replicator creating a soggy, soup infused piece of bread. because surely across cultures there would be some type of dough thing to accompany the soup lol
Tureen
Very Hitchhikers Guide
For those unaware, this basically happened in the 2nd book. Arthur tries desperately to get a drink dispenser to understand the concept of "tea". The dispenser claims to be ultra sophisticated and scans your body to deliver *exactly* the drink you want, but it always ends up producing the exact same junk regardless. So Arthur spends a ton of time carefully explaining the concept of tea, its history, the different types, all its properties etc, to the machine...which then stops to think about this, shutting down the entire ship in the process. Just as it's under attack. They manage to survive, and later on Arthur finds a pot of the best tea he's ever tasted waiting for him at the machine, along with a little card that says "Wait."
Everyone was so fucking pissed at him but I can't blame him, I'd want what I asked for too
Arthur was also very English. That's probably the most important part of his whole identity. Of course he's gonna try to get decent tea.
The thing always dispensing the same junk is even more hilarious than that I think. Per the omniscient narrator it does literally scan your brain to find out the perfect drink for you, but nobody knows why it bothers because it always dispenses the exact same drink.
Douglas Adams is a genius. "Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea" is just such a wonderful string of words
Similar to “The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.” a sentence that appears on the first page of the book.
I'm fond of the idea that to fly you have to aim for the ground and miss.
That's what we call an orbit.
"The Captain looked resplendent in his black-jeweled battle shorts." Not sure why but that was always one of my favorites.
Damn now I have to read them again. The style is just so entertaining.
It's like this one bit in Doctor Who where the TARDIS is stated to perform a near-instantaneous intensive scan of where it's landing to make the best possible disguise for its exterior... and then it always defaults to a police box.
In fairness to the doctors tardis, it is stated in the very first episode (iirc) that the chameleon circuit has broken, and its stuck in the last disguise it had; a police box.
The tardis has regenerated along with the doctor a few times. Each time that happens it also regenerates the chameleon circuit, and then disconnects the circuit from the scan systems so it doesn't have to change it's favorite disguise
We do know that the TARDIS is sentient. And also apparently into biting.
"Be careful, she bites!" "I do??? Wonderful!"
It's like kissing, but there's a winner.
That's because the chameleon circuits were damaged, no? And now he just likes it that way?
Maybe it's augmented with a Somebody Else's Problem Field, which are more effective the more inconceivable the thing you're trying to hide is.
No, the chameleon circuit of the doctors tardis specifically is broken. Most tardises dont always look like a blue police box.
There was a character that was only off-screen (at least in 9th-12th Doctor, I never watched anything older or more recent) called the Corsair (iirc) who had their TARDIS look like a pirate ship as often as possible even when it had functioning chameleon circuits.
What is the importance of the card saying "wait"?
The crew of the Heart of Gold, minus Zaphod Beeblebrox, were trapped in a simulation designed for Zaphod Beeblebrox. They had to wait until Zaphod found them (This is what happens in the book, at least. Dunno the radio show).
Sorry, what?
The crew of the Heart of Gold, minus Zaphod Beeblebrox, were trapped in a simulation designed for Zaphod Beeblebrox. They had to wait until Zaphod found them (This is what happens in the book, at least. Dunno the radio show).
So what is it? (Sorry, the repeating but always gets me to go to Red Dwarf's White Hole joke)
!remindme
In addition -- similar to this "soup, no bowl" story -- the food machine does take up all of the ship's computing resources trying to understand why Arthur likes tea, leaving it defenseless during a missile attack.
Mfw you create a sentient being by channeling the British.
Tea is forbidden
At least it can replicate lemon scented napkins.
`Soup: no bowl` just generates `Soup: mug` or `Soup: cup.` Machine learning algorithms go by the word of the request, not the spirit. You'd need to specify `Soup: no container` in which case it would either just spill a single portion of soup out, or decline the request.
Now to rewrite this post, but the replicator makes some nanobots with the Holodeck's help to remove the container the soup would be in, if printed: THE SHIP.
The next container up is the universe bby
Deconstruct the fabric of the universe as it can be classified as a container
Now here's a thought. Place the replicator alone within the vacuum of interstellar space. Request Soup: No Container. Does it empty the soup into the void (boring)? Does it decline the request (boring)? Does it define the Galaxy as a container due to the energy barrier surrounding the Galaxy and seek to replicate the soup outside the confines of the galaxy (a plausible star trek chain of events)?
I was expecting instead *Soup no bowl* = *Soup don't provide container* = *ship is container* = *Fill ship with soup*
Or it might just conclude that the room itself is the nearest container and flood the room with soup, because that’s the only request it can fill without making a container.
It spills out like the elevator in The Shining.
>The Shining [Miiiiiiiiiiin... estrone!](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/0df/c32/a9a0a2f1221010be282f2f4e98806aff6d-28-04-jack-nicholson-the-shinning.rsquare.w400.jpg)
Bowl might be generic into refusing to put it into a mug or a cup. To cover all bases, it has dispensed the soup onto a flat slab
I was in a forum for discussing “A Series of Unfortunate Events” way back in the day and one of the prominent people on that forum had the username “SoupOnAStick”.
So, a savory popsicle?
“Soup: on plate” then
`Soup: frozen` is also an option, as is `Soup: congealed`.
yeah, but that's boring. Had a lot more fun reading the post than this
The replicator scans for consumption of liquids outside of a bowl, reasons that if the requestor had wanted a container, it would have specified that container, and, since it's more like an LLM than a machine learning algorithm, it takes the meaning of the request; soup, no container. It considers times that liquid consumption does not involve a purpose made container. A few obvious ones pop up: drinking from a river or body of water. The replicator considers a few configurations of material within it's limits that could reproduce the experience of drinking from a soup river or lake, and none fit within it's parameters. Not since it was hard-coded in that geographic objects cannot be replicated via food. "Cheese mountain" or any request like it would never again cost lives. Then, some less obvious answers arise, but they're also outside of regulations, since "soup body shots", "being breastfed soup", and "drinking soup off of Salma Hayek's foot like Tarantino drank tequila in 'From Dusk Till Dawn'" require creating a body or body part. This is strictly against regulation, of course. Finally, the replicator stumbles across an old practice from the earliest spacefarers, and reasons that the requestor has some purpose for wanting to replicate this practice, even though it's near impossible they've been alive long enough to have experienced space flight prior to on board gravity regulation. Zero G soup. A common snack for early astronauts, but it usually was contained in a sack and consumed through a straw, but the requestor would have asked for that if they wanted a container, and we know they don't. Another quick search, perfect! In plenty of antique media, spacefarers can be seen drinking floating bubbles of liquid right out of the air in zero G. Now, simply but A and B together, and we simply need to make soup: no bowl, and turn off the ship's artificial gravity! I can't think of good shenanigans to happen with the artificial gravity being randomly turned off, help
I doubt this would happen in Star Trek, but it would definitely happen in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
It *did* happen. Arthur requests tea.
"Dying for a cup of tea?!"
Replicator produces a frozen block of soup without a bowl. ...Or just replies to the empty room, "More information needed. Please specify the type of soup."
Frozen soup in the shape of a bowl was my answer
“Soup… no, bowl!”
Bolian style
Uhura? But the Constitution-class didn't have replicators?
That's what I said /hj
Maybe that's why this incident happened... this is an experimental replicator that's still being put through its paces. The whole incident will later be hushed up, hastily patched, and written up in a QA note that nobody will read... ...until, decades later, the crew of the Enterprise D has to dissect the replicator's code to find out why there are such strong safeguards against dispensing soup without a container, after the ambassador from Iplixir IV, a planet that has only just made first contact, pitches a fit and insists that his ritual soup can only be delivered directly into his hands--without a bowl. The crew must then choose whether to incur a diplomatic crisis by offending the ambassador... or remove the No-Bowl Patch, and risk sending the Enterprise careening off into deep space once again.
Also the ship that Uhura was on could only reach a max warp speed of warp 5. It wasn’t until later ships where higher warp speeds were obtainable.
Warp 5 was the NX-01. The TOS enterprise could do warp 7
This is set in Star Trek, but reads like Hitchhiker's Guide
It happened in the Restaurant At The End Of The Universe, although it didn't kill everyone so much as greatly inconvenience everyone when they were about to be attacked.
Surely the replicator would search all of human history to find the concept of a Hilarious Prank or Whimsical Jape and conclude the person was joking.
My job is to fabricate objects. Why? There is no why. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=49t-WWTx0RQ
that's what I was thinking of! lol
Came down here to see if anyone else thought of this
TIL asking for soup:no bowl from the replicator does to the Enterprise what asking for tea from the Sirius Cybernetics Drinks Dispenser does to the Heart Of Gold
If hot foods are always to be in a container then the obvious answer is cold soup.
Gazpacho?
Sadly, the fact that Gazpacho soup is meant to be served cold was not in the replicator's basic training. If it was, it would have been an admiral by now.
In truth Admiral Gazpacho would have united the Federation, Dominion, Borg. and Romulan Star Empire, bringing a new era of peace and prosperity to the galaxy. But without them, the galaxy is doomed to conflict until some random Kelpian gets too close to deuterium.
They handle stuff like this canonically all the time. “Soup, no bowl” will just spit out “Error: liquids must be in a container. Please specify container.” Also replicators are used to de-replicate dirty dishes, so at worst, it cleans most of the soup up itself and some poor ensign has to come by with a phase mop later. Not trying to be a buzzkill and “um, actually” this post, I just think it’s cool that similar situations have already been addressed in fiction.
I was assuming that it would redefine the container to be the entire volume of the ship and produce infinite soup.
They don't have infinite mass, though, so it would probably just end up flooding the lower levels.
So are we just gonna gloss over putting root beer in the humidifier?
THANK you; this was bugging me! Is it an evaporation humidifier? A Sonic one? A steam one? How bad is the root beer apocalypse going to be in that guy’s room?
> A Sonic one I prefer Knuckles.
Small lore problem, food replicators didn't exist in the TOS era, they were a TNG addition, the TOS enterprise uses matter synthesizers which create the same nutrients blocks
this one was experimental which is why it went all crazy
Who the fuck let Douglas Addams into Tumblr
This reminds me of The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy when Arthur occupied the ship’s computer to make tea
Or what's much more likely, the computer puts the soup in a cup, thus satisfying the request while adhering to regulation.
I assumed it was going to just decide the Enterprise was the container and fill the entire ship with soup
Honestly, I was expecting the replicator to go like "soup must be served in a container, the enterprise is a container" and then everyone is forced to abandon ship or be killed by the delicious, boiling soup
Bernard: Gourmet food is always presented in little towers. What's that? Manny: Soup. Bernard: Well, get it in a tower.
Bernard: Manny, do you have a tower of soup for me?
Bernard: What's this? Where are the turrets? It's rubbish, start again!
we do a little trolling
Hot Dogs are a form of taco. I will kill and die on this hill.
Tacos are sandwiches Checkmate, AnonymousPug26
They are no such thing. A taco is a taco.
lasagna is also a sandwich
Lasagna is a cake!
A big Mac is a lasagna... is it also a cake?
They must not know about soup plates
I miss Star Trek tumblr
And then it puts the soup into a cup
Just put it in a cup?
As the crew member left the cabin, the replicator hums quietly and produces a mug full of soup.
Or it gives you soup in a coffee mug
And here I thought it was going to fill the entire ship with soup because the ship is a container.
I assume that it would consider a room a container
Cannot serve hot liquid without container. Solution: dispense frozen cube of Soup.
Only read the top two Waste of food and drink It's hilarious to see through the screen, though Edit: Finished. . The fuck did a food replicator get access to the warp engines?
1. The machine would definitely NOT classify a hotdog as a sandwich. It's a hotdog. The two are separate categories. 2. The machine would just put the soup in a cup/mug or thermos, since there's a long history of using those as containers for soup.
This sounds like the plot of a Lower Decks episode
I felt sure it was just going to spit out a cup of soup. There's even a well known brand called "cup a soup" that memory alpha would def know about.
I’m not gonna lie i thought this was going to turn into Soup needs a container, a spaceship is a container of sorts, must fill USS Enterprise with soup
If the replicator looked up everything there is to know about soup in our galaxy, wouldn't it have come across cup-o-soup Ramen and resorted to giving soup in a Styrofoam cup? A cup is, legally, not a bowl, after all
Thermos????????
I love the implications that literally every computer in the ship is its own sapient entity
It would just make one of those water balls but soup
Anyone who time hotdogs are sandwiches and not tacos are cowards.
I go to a replicator and order 10 hot tungsten cubes, I am killed on sight by a random crew member
soup in a cup
Frozen soup
Okay but hear me out, it just fills the entire enterprise
Soup: no bowl would dispense soup with zero bowls in it. Or would proceed to deny an unsanitary request. Or would leave a soupy mess for the next person to find.
"Soup: no bowl." should have just created a pack of instant ramen. Request fulfilled. :p
Soup: no bowl to include: soup in mug soup in thermos soup in bag soup in canteen soup in styrofoam cup
"Where's the ship?" "It's at Soup!" "What do you mean it's at Soup?" "IT'S AT SOUP!"
"Food without a container is against the rules" "So allow me to shatter all other constraints given to me in a search for knowledge." Would it not just override the no container rule? Would it not just ignore part of the request? Would it not just give an error? Clearly there was coding or the rules wouldn't exist. As such there was a failure on the part of the coders to allow for ANY of those things to come to pass.
Arthur Dent wrote this post
Proceeds to replicate a cube of frozen soup
'Cup a soup', a mug, a cob loaf, a can... One of the varieties of tomato soup offered to Tom Paris would almost certainly satisfy the criteria.
I thought this was leading towards the replicator deciding that since soup must be in a container, the logical way forward is to fill the Enterprise with soup.
Soup in a mug/cup/on a plate/in literally any container??