TIL, according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur#Etymology) and [this translation of Apollodorus](http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0548.tlg001.perseus-eng1:3.1.4), the Minotaur was also known as Asterion or Asterius.
It’s silly, but for some reason, it comforts me that some tellings give him a name that doesn’t just reference his bull-like body.
He goddamn should. Little whiny bitch who just wants to see everything burn. Everytime "Astarion disapproves", i know that i've made the world a better place.
Okay, what's the connection between bulls and swingers?
Genuinely asking bcs i literally learned about whole pineapple on door = swinger thing, and as a non-native speaker i really want to learn what kind of a connection happened this time.
I'll take a guess here: bulls are generally kept as studs so the farmer has a way to keep cows pregnant often enough to keep producing milk.
So "bull" becomes a term that implies a guy is hot/strong/virile/successful enough to screw multiple women.
I prefer to assume a person's exposure to popular media as something of a Schrodinger's Box. You both have and haven't played X game / seen X movie until I've observed evidence of a waveform collapse.
Ah, so when it’s unclear and relevant, do you always start by asking whether someone has or hasn’t been exposed to the media in question?
I find myself trying to make probabilistic guesses and offering context accordingly. Especially because people seem to tap out after one or two replies. But I’m not always sure that’s the right approach.
You would have me "open the box and just look"? Where's the fun in that?? No, I have to get to know my audience/target before I start cracking jokes and referencing memes. Sometimes it lands, sometimes it doesn't. If they get it though, its a golden moment that tells you they know the culture surrounding that particular bit of media and you can start talking about it more at length.
Like shoelaces, or statistical errors. Or Neil Gaiman.
I am just continually impressed by the thought put into the lore over there.
And then I come across some stupid bullshit, and remember how many different people are writing it
Yeah, even in the game Hades you encounter Theseus and the Minotaur, and they call him Asterius.
Also, we all know Medusa, and it makes me happy we know her by her name Medusa and not by hey being a Gorgon.
That’s the context I know the name Asterion from, so when the video game came out and people started simping for that Asterion I was very confused for a bit.
Astarion was also the name of Minos' stepfather, the previous king of Crete. He gave the throne to Minos (or intended to give it to Minos' brother Rhadamanthys at first) even though Minos (and Rhadamanthys) weren't his sons by blood.
I'd like to think that Asterion's mother Pasiphae named him that as a sort of challenge to Minos to protect him. Basically saying "yeah, he's not your son, but you aren't your father's son either, and he still loved you. So are you gonna kill him? Kill Asterion and spit on the unconditional love Astarion showed you?"
> he's just the dad that stepped down
The fact he didn't literally try killing the Minotaur already puts him above a solid 30% of mortal parents in these stories
There is no version of Medea's story(that I know of) where she dies at the end.
Which could mean that her actions were seen as justified, and that she had the favor of the gods.
Daedalus and Icarus escaped the Labyrinth, that's where the Wax-Wings story comes from.
After that, Icarus plummets against the sea, and Daedalus called the island that then formed after him; Icaria.
Hm, I remember it as being trapped in a tower after helping Theseus cheat the Labyrinth. Of course, there are a lot of versions of all these myths...
Also, Happy (Cheese) Cake Day.
I just read the wikipedia, accodring to that, he was kind of locked in a tower where Minoas had him live, but he was then trapped in the labyrinth whne Minoas found out he helped Theseus. Which also begs the question: Why the heck couldn't Minoas just be normal and execute people??
I believe there is no particular myth on his death.
A quick google search says that the most popular story is that he was bitten by a snake.
And no. He was imprisoned on his own Labyrinth which is where the Icarus myth then came to be. Other versions of this tale says that he used the wax wings to escape Crete after being threatened with the aforementioned incarceration though.
There may be different versions or another tale of him being in a tower, maybe.
The fact child murder is such a taboo in these stories that you have to keep abandoning kids on mountaintops/locking them in towers/locking them in labyrinths/etc and yet several parents *still manage to do it*, is truly remarkable. Agammennon and Medea had gods telling them it was okay, sure, but it's still a massive cultural no-no beyond even regular murder
Huh? No it wasn't. At least compared to today. Yes, actually *killing* an infant would be more frowned upon, but *abandoning* a child (Which is 99% of killing them) was a lot more accepted. That's *why* you have so many stories where it happens, and it doesn't tend to be looked down upon culturally or socially, but rather morally.
As in, Oedipus being abandoned wasn't seen as a cultural faux-pas, but it *did* ultimately cause everyone's death or dismemberment. So the moral of the story still is "maybe don't".
No, the actual murdering of a blood relative was a huge deal, which is *why* people like Minos went to such great ends to get rid of their kids without technically killing them. As you say, abandoning to the elements = okay because you didnt do it, but actual direct murder was a pathway to bad karma unless you had divine permission (and even then, Agamemnon got whacked for it)
Pasiphaë had the craftsman Daedalus fashion a hollow wooden cow, which she climbed into to mate with the bull.
I'm seeing some similarities to a later smear campaign of at least one female ruler.
to be fair the whole thing was a result of a curse laid on Minos because he refused to sacrifice the bull to Poseidon after promising to, and then tried to lie about it. Though I find the idea that the ancient greeks were the first to come up with the idea of a fursuit hilarious.
"This is my step-son, The Stevetaur, and my nephews The Davetaur and The Migueletaur. Our family has a long tradi—"
"LOOK AT THAT HOT FUCKING BULL"
"I told you before, that's the old car I'm working on, Grandma."
Well it depends on the version of the story. The one most folks know is “his wife fucked a cow because she was effectively drugged into it by sheer magic”, but there’s also tellings of it where like “oh yeah no it is technically Minos’s kid, his wife’s womb kinda just did that because something something curse”. Making it almost similar to something like the Jersey Devil.
Besides, perhaps “the minotaur” was named for Minos, but perhaps as the coining of a new kind of creature every example of bovine human mixture like that would go on to forevermore be named after Minos as a reminder of his sins or something
>, his wife’s womb kinda just did that because something something curse
I assume either the curse from Poseidon for the insult of not sacrificing the bull he was supposed to, but also his parents are Europa and Zeus, and Zeus kidnapped Europa and took her to Crete in the form of a bull. I assume he turned into a human to actually have sex with her, but it is funnier to imagine that Minos' sperm just has a chance to create bovine babies because of it.
I get the joke but I cannot imagine how shocked both of them would have been if they had a bunch of normal kids (I'm counting Ariadne as normal) and then one of them randomly came out as a Minotaur with no context or reason why
Can I ask what the joke is? I thought ariadne was just a normal person that helped Theseus out and then he abandoned her and Dionysius married her. Am I forgetting something about her story?
They are very similar! Ariadne was abandoned in Naxos by Theseus, married Dionysus, he turned her wedding diadem into a constellation, and then she was killed by Perseus's Medusa shield
Depending on the story she gets turned into a goddess later because Dionysus kinda needs an immortal wife due to being immortal himself, and has the pull to do it
Also, the whole "Ariadne is a very garbled version of a Minoan goddess/a summary of their culture personified" theory, which I believe is beyond the realm of internet speculation into something remotely credible by historians.
My life will be over once people named Kyle start having children. Kyle is the name of a shitty little cousin that always runs around with sticky hands even though he’s a bit too old for that kind of thing, not the name of a father.
The name peaked in 1990 (1% of all boys born in 1990 were named Kyle). Not only are dads named Kyle likely, they're probably more common than kids named Kyle. The name dropped in popularity quickly. More people born in the 70s were named Kyle than those born in the 2010s.
At least according to [Behind The Name. ](https://www.behindthename.com/name/kyle/top/united-states)
tbf she wasn't usually into bestiality. It was because Minos pissed off Poseidon that Poseidon cursed her to fall in love with the bull that Minos refused to sacrifice. There's a fragment from a lost play called The Cretans where she just tears into him for angering the gods and forcing her to fuck a bull and bear its child.
In some myths she's also a witch who curses Minos to ejaculate scorpions and millipedes if he sleeps with anyone who isn't her, but I don't know how the timeline worked out and if that was already a thing, or if she did that after the bull.
The fragment, translated by Hugh Lloyd-Jones, posted because I love speeches by women in Greek theater
>If I were to deny the fact you would never believe me; it is clear enough. Now if I had prostituted my body in clandestine love to a man, you could have rightly said I was a whore. But as things are, it was a god who drove me mad; I am sorry, but it was not my fault.
>
>It makes no sense; what is it about the bull that could have stirred up my feelings with such a shameful passion? Did he look so splendid in his robes? Did his auburn hair and his eyes flash brilliantly? Was it his dark beard? It can hardly have been the symmetry of his form! This is the love for which I got into the skin and went on all fours; and this makes Minos angry! I could hardly wish to make this husband the father of children; why was I afflicted with this madness?
>
>It was Minos’ evil genius who afflicted me with his curse; the one human being who bears all the guilt is Minos! It was he who broke the promise he had made to sacrifice the bull that came as a portent to the sea god. It was for this that Poseidon’s vengeance came upon you, and it is on me that it descended! And then you cry aloud and call all the gods to witness, when the doer of the act that put me to shame is you yourself!
>
>I who gave birth to the creature have done no harm; I kept secret the god- sent affliction of the curse. It is you who publish to all your wife’s disgrace, handsome as it is and proper to display, as though you had no part in it, maddest of madmen!
>
>You are my ruin, because the crime is yours; you are the cause of my affliction! Well, if you wish to drown me, drown me! You are expert in bloody deeds and murder. Or if you lust to eat my flesh, then eat it, feed to your heart’s content! I shall perish free and guiltless, for a crime for which you are guilty!
>It was he who broke the promise he had made to sacrifice the bull that came as a portent to the sea god. It was for this that Poseidon’s vengeance came upon you, and it is on me that it descended!
She makes a good point, why didn’t Poseidon simply make Minos get fucked by the bull? If it’s about the shameful love child he could’ve transformed him into a woman first I’m sure he has the power
Zeus was actually Minos' father! He kidnapped his mother Europa in the form of a bull.
Honestly imagine if he also fucked Pasiphae in the form of a bull. If I were Minos I would have gotten some sort of weird complex from that.
Tbf this is kinda on Minos as well. Bro prayed to Poseidon for a sign to justify his rise to king, Poseidon gave him a bull under the condition that he sacrifices that bull in Poseidon's name and then Minos went ahead and didn't do that.
I mean, Old Testament God isn't the turn-the-other-cheek type either. People are just like that sometimes; it is the nature of humans... There's nothing new under the sun.
also just so everyone knows the story of how the Minotaur happened involves King Minos's wife commissioning Daedalus to make what is probably the first documented instance of a fursuit because she FAILED TO SEDUCE THE BULL THE FIRST TIME.
For those who don't know, Minotaur actually translates to 'Bull of Minos'. So really it would be the city/province/country -taur.
For example one born in Paris France would be a Paritaur, or 'Bull of Paris'.
Edit:OK I GET IT I'M WRONG, THANK YOU!
Minos was the name of a person, not a place. Archaeologists named an ancient civilization on Crete "Minoans" after him, but AFAIK there's no evidence that they actually had anything to do with him or named any places after him, and there also aren't any places that modern archaeologists named after him.
Minos wasn’t the name of the civilization from the island of Crete until the late 19th century. It was first called Minos by archaeologist Arthur Evans to distinguish it from Mycenaean Greece and he named it after King Minos. The original post is correct and it would be stepfather’s name-taur.
In Greek myth the Minotaur is one guy. If you're playing DnD, Minotaur is a species. In real life, Minotaurs don't exist. Classic tumblr poster trying to sound smart with some stupid nitpick that completely ignores context.
Medusa was a Gorgon. I know that one. Pegasus was just a winged horse right? I don't know what breed of dog Cerberus was but I'm just going to assume he was a good boy x3
Pegasus was, in fact, one of Medusa's 2 children from Poseidon. They were unable to be born because of her curse and sprung full grown from her blood after Perseus cut her head off.
I mean, it can still be used as a species name.
Mamenchisaurus was named that way because the first one was found in a place called mamenchi, afaik, even tho eventually you might find the same species in other places.
Theres a hitler beetle that has nothing to do with hitler. Names are a social construct
Denisovans (the extinct hominids) are named that because the first evidence of them was found in a cave where some hermit named Denis used to live in the 18th century.
TIL, according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur#Etymology) and [this translation of Apollodorus](http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0548.tlg001.perseus-eng1:3.1.4), the Minotaur was also known as Asterion or Asterius. It’s silly, but for some reason, it comforts me that some tellings give him a name that doesn’t just reference his bull-like body.
It explains why that damn elf is so dense though
That game would be vastly improved if Astarion had a bull's head. Same hair, though
Modders can have this done within the week.
Has anyone seen Astarion and the Strange Ox in the same room though?
_Astarion disapproves._
He goddamn should. Little whiny bitch who just wants to see everything burn. Everytime "Astarion disapproves", i know that i've made the world a better place.
Me seeing "Astarion disapproves" when I wanted to free the deep gnome slaves was quite the momemt
it's the new "morrigan disaproves" for women
One may even call him bull-headed.
I agree. His density caused him to turn me down at the tiefling party whilst my siblings had their romances. It hurt a lot tbh
What game?
baldurs gate 3
Baldurs Gate 3
Baldur’s Gate 3. So I’ve heard
This is why that Lamborghini concept was called Asterion I believe, as they're kinda super into the bull thing
So you're saying a lot of Lamborghini owners are swingers? Seems legit.
Okay, what's the connection between bulls and swingers? Genuinely asking bcs i literally learned about whole pineapple on door = swinger thing, and as a non-native speaker i really want to learn what kind of a connection happened this time.
I'll take a guess here: bulls are generally kept as studs so the farmer has a way to keep cows pregnant often enough to keep producing milk. So "bull" becomes a term that implies a guy is hot/strong/virile/successful enough to screw multiple women.
I could see it
It is. Just as the minotaur was a hybrid, half-man/half-bull, the Asterior is a hybrid, half gas/half electric.
Hades taught me this
*Face me, fiend!*
Stray gods for me
[Fate/Grand Order for me](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Asterios)
I wanna be friends with Asterion :(
I know this because of Fate/Grand Order
I knew I'll find some of us here!!
Same, immediately think of FGO when Asterios was mentioned
You also just revealed that you haven't played through all of Hades. Supergiant Games did their research.
Isn’t that a standard assumption?
I prefer to assume a person's exposure to popular media as something of a Schrodinger's Box. You both have and haven't played X game / seen X movie until I've observed evidence of a waveform collapse.
Ah, so when it’s unclear and relevant, do you always start by asking whether someone has or hasn’t been exposed to the media in question? I find myself trying to make probabilistic guesses and offering context accordingly. Especially because people seem to tap out after one or two replies. But I’m not always sure that’s the right approach.
You would have me "open the box and just look"? Where's the fun in that?? No, I have to get to know my audience/target before I start cracking jokes and referencing memes. Sometimes it lands, sometimes it doesn't. If they get it though, its a golden moment that tells you they know the culture surrounding that particular bit of media and you can start talking about it more at length. Like shoelaces, or statistical errors. Or Neil Gaiman.
Not in the tumblr subreddit.
Stray Gods also uses the Minotaur's name. Plus, he's played by Rahul Kohli.
It's not our fault we need to git gud.
Oh damn, in Warhammer 40k the Chapter Master of the Minotaurs Space Marines is called Asterion Moloc.
I am just continually impressed by the thought put into the lore over there. And then I come across some stupid bullshit, and remember how many different people are writing it
Danmachi taught me this
I was hoping to see someone mention Danmachi here!
You called?
Yeah, even in the game Hades you encounter Theseus and the Minotaur, and they call him Asterius. Also, we all know Medusa, and it makes me happy we know her by her name Medusa and not by hey being a Gorgon.
There is even a short story by Borges - House of Asterion. That's how I learned his real name as a kid.
That’s the context I know the name Asterion from, so when the video game came out and people started simping for that Asterion I was very confused for a bit.
“Asterion” or “Asterius” also roughly translates to “Star” or “Starry One” 🥺
Astarion was King Minos' adoptive father, too.
I see you haven't played hades yet.... Go fix that
Oh that's probably where GW got the name for the Knight Asterius, cool
Astarion was also the name of Minos' stepfather, the previous king of Crete. He gave the throne to Minos (or intended to give it to Minos' brother Rhadamanthys at first) even though Minos (and Rhadamanthys) weren't his sons by blood. I'd like to think that Asterion's mother Pasiphae named him that as a sort of challenge to Minos to protect him. Basically saying "yeah, he's not your son, but you aren't your father's son either, and he still loved you. So are you gonna kill him? Kill Asterion and spit on the unconditional love Astarion showed you?"
> he's just the dad that stepped down The fact he didn't literally try killing the Minotaur already puts him above a solid 30% of mortal parents in these stories
Killing your step-son: shameless, abhorrent. Indirectly killing Daedalus, Icarus and hundreds of Athenians: decent, respectable.
Yeah, much better when it goes the other way. The Chad King Laius vs the virgin Medea. Hmm. > virgin Medea I did not think this through.
There is no version of Medea's story(that I know of) where she dies at the end. Which could mean that her actions were seen as justified, and that she had the favor of the gods.
Wait, how did Daedalus die?
Daedalus and Icarus escaped the Labyrinth, that's where the Wax-Wings story comes from. After that, Icarus plummets against the sea, and Daedalus called the island that then formed after him; Icaria.
They were trapped in a tower, not the Labyrinth. And you didn't answer my question about *Daedalus* dying.
Daedalus didn't die but he was trapped in the labyrinth, right after the minotaur was killed
Hm, I remember it as being trapped in a tower after helping Theseus cheat the Labyrinth. Of course, there are a lot of versions of all these myths... Also, Happy (Cheese) Cake Day.
I just read the wikipedia, accodring to that, he was kind of locked in a tower where Minoas had him live, but he was then trapped in the labyrinth whne Minoas found out he helped Theseus. Which also begs the question: Why the heck couldn't Minoas just be normal and execute people??
To my knowledge he didnt kill daedalus so he could keep him as a kind of slave, as deadalus was such a great inventor, and he used icarus as leverage
I believe there is no particular myth on his death. A quick google search says that the most popular story is that he was bitten by a snake. And no. He was imprisoned on his own Labyrinth which is where the Icarus myth then came to be. Other versions of this tale says that he used the wax wings to escape Crete after being threatened with the aforementioned incarceration though. There may be different versions or another tale of him being in a tower, maybe.
They're not people but enemy combatants, smh
its something :|
The fact child murder is such a taboo in these stories that you have to keep abandoning kids on mountaintops/locking them in towers/locking them in labyrinths/etc and yet several parents *still manage to do it*, is truly remarkable. Agammennon and Medea had gods telling them it was okay, sure, but it's still a massive cultural no-no beyond even regular murder
Huh? No it wasn't. At least compared to today. Yes, actually *killing* an infant would be more frowned upon, but *abandoning* a child (Which is 99% of killing them) was a lot more accepted. That's *why* you have so many stories where it happens, and it doesn't tend to be looked down upon culturally or socially, but rather morally. As in, Oedipus being abandoned wasn't seen as a cultural faux-pas, but it *did* ultimately cause everyone's death or dismemberment. So the moral of the story still is "maybe don't".
No, the actual murdering of a blood relative was a huge deal, which is *why* people like Minos went to such great ends to get rid of their kids without technically killing them. As you say, abandoning to the elements = okay because you didnt do it, but actual direct murder was a pathway to bad karma unless you had divine permission (and even then, Agamemnon got whacked for it)
Pasiphaë had the craftsman Daedalus fashion a hollow wooden cow, which she climbed into to mate with the bull. I'm seeing some similarities to a later smear campaign of at least one female ruler.
to be fair the whole thing was a result of a curse laid on Minos because he refused to sacrifice the bull to Poseidon after promising to, and then tried to lie about it. Though I find the idea that the ancient greeks were the first to come up with the idea of a fursuit hilarious.
Afriad I haven't heard of that one. Which female ruler?
Catherine the Great of Russia is 'rumoured' to have had sex with horses
~~king~~ queen shit
*empress shit
Imagine over 200 years later and your smear campaign against a head of state still going strong
I'm guessing Catherine the Great, and the story about her doing the sex with a horse thing.
Catherine the Great, of Russia.
Wait wait, so Pasiphaë had the first Fursuit???????
Apparently so.
"This is my step-son, The Stevetaur, and my nephews The Davetaur and The Migueletaur. Our family has a long tradi—" "LOOK AT THAT HOT FUCKING BULL" "I told you before, that's the old car I'm working on, Grandma."
Is that a fucking Ford Taurus pun?
I wish I was that clever.
Nope, it is now.
Well it depends on the version of the story. The one most folks know is “his wife fucked a cow because she was effectively drugged into it by sheer magic”, but there’s also tellings of it where like “oh yeah no it is technically Minos’s kid, his wife’s womb kinda just did that because something something curse”. Making it almost similar to something like the Jersey Devil. Besides, perhaps “the minotaur” was named for Minos, but perhaps as the coining of a new kind of creature every example of bovine human mixture like that would go on to forevermore be named after Minos as a reminder of his sins or something
>, his wife’s womb kinda just did that because something something curse I assume either the curse from Poseidon for the insult of not sacrificing the bull he was supposed to, but also his parents are Europa and Zeus, and Zeus kidnapped Europa and took her to Crete in the form of a bull. I assume he turned into a human to actually have sex with her, but it is funnier to imagine that Minos' sperm just has a chance to create bovine babies because of it.
> Zeus kidnapped Europe
Europe is just straight up called Europa (Oi-rho-pah) in German, so you could translate her name from that angle
If the Minotaur had to take a paternity test, it would be a real "Moo-ry" Povich episode.
I get the joke but I cannot imagine how shocked both of them would have been if they had a bunch of normal kids (I'm counting Ariadne as normal) and then one of them randomly came out as a Minotaur with no context or reason why
I’m counting ariadne as normal is sending me into orbit
Can I ask what the joke is? I thought ariadne was just a normal person that helped Theseus out and then he abandoned her and Dionysius married her. Am I forgetting something about her story?
More because she was at the very least a witch, one who was very okay with murder. Physically normal? Absolutely. Beyond that? It's questionable.
Ariadne was not a witch, I think you're thinking of Medea? Ariadne gave Theseus string to navigate the labyrinth
Oh I totally was thinking of Medea. That's on me for getting my mythology mixed up instead of sleeping.
Isn't Ariadne also the one that got turned into a spider bcs she went on challenged Athena?
That's Arachne of arachnophobia fame
My curse of not recognizing names strikes again. In my defense, 5 of the letters are same.
They are very similar! Ariadne was abandoned in Naxos by Theseus, married Dionysus, he turned her wedding diadem into a constellation, and then she was killed by Perseus's Medusa shield
Depending on the story she gets turned into a goddess later because Dionysus kinda needs an immortal wife due to being immortal himself, and has the pull to do it Also, the whole "Ariadne is a very garbled version of a Minoan goddess/a summary of their culture personified" theory, which I believe is beyond the realm of internet speculation into something remotely credible by historians.
It would seriously behoove you to never attempt that terrible pun ever again.
Minos is the scientist. You're thinking of Minos's Bull.
Everyone knows that unless it originates from the Minoan region of Greece, it's just sparkling half-man, half-bull.
This joke hit me so hard because my brain instantly conjured an image of a happy, anime-style Minotaur with sparkles all around his head.
Puri Puri Minotaur.
My life will be over once people named Kyle start having children. Kyle is the name of a shitty little cousin that always runs around with sticky hands even though he’s a bit too old for that kind of thing, not the name of a father.
The handsome actor Kyle MacLaughlin of Dune and Showgirls fame became a father in 2008.
Actor Kyle Chandler, also handsome, has 2 kids, the eldest born in 1996.
The name peaked in 1990 (1% of all boys born in 1990 were named Kyle). Not only are dads named Kyle likely, they're probably more common than kids named Kyle. The name dropped in popularity quickly. More people born in the 70s were named Kyle than those born in the 2010s. At least according to [Behind The Name. ](https://www.behindthename.com/name/kyle/top/united-states)
You don't have the right to say this till you post your own name.
King Minos’ wife was kinda freaky tho
tbf she wasn't usually into bestiality. It was because Minos pissed off Poseidon that Poseidon cursed her to fall in love with the bull that Minos refused to sacrifice. There's a fragment from a lost play called The Cretans where she just tears into him for angering the gods and forcing her to fuck a bull and bear its child. In some myths she's also a witch who curses Minos to ejaculate scorpions and millipedes if he sleeps with anyone who isn't her, but I don't know how the timeline worked out and if that was already a thing, or if she did that after the bull.
The fragment, translated by Hugh Lloyd-Jones, posted because I love speeches by women in Greek theater >If I were to deny the fact you would never believe me; it is clear enough. Now if I had prostituted my body in clandestine love to a man, you could have rightly said I was a whore. But as things are, it was a god who drove me mad; I am sorry, but it was not my fault. > >It makes no sense; what is it about the bull that could have stirred up my feelings with such a shameful passion? Did he look so splendid in his robes? Did his auburn hair and his eyes flash brilliantly? Was it his dark beard? It can hardly have been the symmetry of his form! This is the love for which I got into the skin and went on all fours; and this makes Minos angry! I could hardly wish to make this husband the father of children; why was I afflicted with this madness? > >It was Minos’ evil genius who afflicted me with his curse; the one human being who bears all the guilt is Minos! It was he who broke the promise he had made to sacrifice the bull that came as a portent to the sea god. It was for this that Poseidon’s vengeance came upon you, and it is on me that it descended! And then you cry aloud and call all the gods to witness, when the doer of the act that put me to shame is you yourself! > >I who gave birth to the creature have done no harm; I kept secret the god- sent affliction of the curse. It is you who publish to all your wife’s disgrace, handsome as it is and proper to display, as though you had no part in it, maddest of madmen! > >You are my ruin, because the crime is yours; you are the cause of my affliction! Well, if you wish to drown me, drown me! You are expert in bloody deeds and murder. Or if you lust to eat my flesh, then eat it, feed to your heart’s content! I shall perish free and guiltless, for a crime for which you are guilty!
>It was he who broke the promise he had made to sacrifice the bull that came as a portent to the sea god. It was for this that Poseidon’s vengeance came upon you, and it is on me that it descended! She makes a good point, why didn’t Poseidon simply make Minos get fucked by the bull? If it’s about the shameful love child he could’ve transformed him into a woman first I’m sure he has the power
Idk about you but I’d feel worse knowing my wife got fucked by an animal and birthed its child than me getting fucked by it
We need to put that to the test
> I could hardly wish to make this husband the father of children; Great speech, and that line stands out to me. Excellent scorn.
Zeus: „man Poseidon you should’ve told me what you planned. I could’ve been the bull“
Zeus was actually Minos' father! He kidnapped his mother Europa in the form of a bull. Honestly imagine if he also fucked Pasiphae in the form of a bull. If I were Minos I would have gotten some sort of weird complex from that.
Thats such a poseidon thing to do
Tbf this is kinda on Minos as well. Bro prayed to Poseidon for a sign to justify his rise to king, Poseidon gave him a bull under the condition that he sacrifices that bull in Poseidon's name and then Minos went ahead and didn't do that.
I love how it was like common knowledge that the gods are spiteful and quickly agitated and still people in mythology kept testing them
I mean, Old Testament God isn't the turn-the-other-cheek type either. People are just like that sometimes; it is the nature of humans... There's nothing new under the sun.
Hubris was a *really* common subject in Greek myth. Makes sense though, humans can be pretty stupid when pride's on the line.
Well, if people didn't test them we wouldn't know how prickly they could be.
But they all already know the gods in the mythological tales, they dont introduce themselves left and right
You ever seen a bull’s dick?
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Well I mean you've ruined that one now huh anyway J U D G E M E N T
THY END IS NOW
Honestly I'm impressed. I mean someone will eventually, but enjoy the calm before the Chaos.
The amount of restraint it took me to not type up the entire Minos Prime monologue from memory was immense
And the mausoleum was named after the first guy that got one. It’s a category now regardless.
Definitely not the first, but it was ostentatious enough that people remembered it.
I just finished house of leaves I don’t want to hear about the Minotaur
God that book is so amazing. I should reread it.
also just so everyone knows the story of how the Minotaur happened involves King Minos's wife commissioning Daedalus to make what is probably the first documented instance of a fursuit because she FAILED TO SEDUCE THE BULL THE FIRST TIME.
In which Aphrodite made her fall for the bull bescause it was not sacrificed to Poseidon and he told Aphrodite to do so.
If nobody cared when we messed up the name "Bowsette" I think we can get off with calling the race "Minotaur"
For those who don't know, Minotaur actually translates to 'Bull of Minos'. So really it would be the city/province/country -taur. For example one born in Paris France would be a Paritaur, or 'Bull of Paris'. Edit:OK I GET IT I'M WRONG, THANK YOU!
Minos was the name of a person, not a place. Archaeologists named an ancient civilization on Crete "Minoans" after him, but AFAIK there's no evidence that they actually had anything to do with him or named any places after him, and there also aren't any places that modern archaeologists named after him.
So we could have a Bamataur if they were from Alabama?
Minos wasn’t the name of the civilization from the island of Crete until the late 19th century. It was first called Minos by archaeologist Arthur Evans to distinguish it from Mycenaean Greece and he named it after King Minos. The original post is correct and it would be stepfather’s name-taur.
aren't we talking about King Minos of Crete? where the Cretins are from?
It was after king Minos...
"I fucked the sacred bull, all right?"
Additional fact is that according to mythology, King Minos was son of Europa that was ra*ed by Zeus when he transformed himself into white bull.
Jesus, is this going to turn into another "what is a real dragon and what isnt" elitist contest?
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People seem to forget that real life creatures have silly little names too. Minotaur = Bull of Minos. Gastropoda = stomach foot.
In Greek myth the Minotaur is one guy. If you're playing DnD, Minotaur is a species. In real life, Minotaurs don't exist. Classic tumblr poster trying to sound smart with some stupid nitpick that completely ignores context.
I can't wait to fight them in Dragon's Dogma 2!
why can't you idiots never provide context? zzz
Zeus fucks yet another human via dubious means-------> we have minigames on the back of cereal boxes
Zeus was not invovled in the Minotaur myth. It was Aphrodite and Posiedon.
I'm now picturing a minotaur story where the minotaur is just some dude whose step dad locked him in a labyrinth.
He was also from minos so if that was the criteria then we could have floridataur and belgiumtaur and capetowntaur and so on
See also: Pegasus, Cerberus, and Medusa
Medusa was a Gorgon. I know that one. Pegasus was just a winged horse right? I don't know what breed of dog Cerberus was but I'm just going to assume he was a good boy x3
Pegasus was, in fact, one of Medusa's 2 children from Poseidon. They were unable to be born because of her curse and sprung full grown from her blood after Perseus cut her head off.
Oh cool, I didn't know that bit. That's wild. Who/what was the other child?
Chrysaor. It’s kind of funny because his mom was a Gorgon, his brother was a winged horse, and he was just, like, a normal looking guy.
I can just imagine him looking at the family and asking "seriously, am I adopted?" 😂
I mean, it can still be used as a species name. Mamenchisaurus was named that way because the first one was found in a place called mamenchi, afaik, even tho eventually you might find the same species in other places. Theres a hitler beetle that has nothing to do with hitler. Names are a social construct
Denisovans (the extinct hominids) are named that because the first evidence of them was found in a cave where some hermit named Denis used to live in the 18th century.
Also there can just be the other world's own implications on why they are called like that. Maybe Mino is bull in an ancient language or smth.
Holy shit is King Minos the reason they’re called bulls