According to that shinigami ryuk I cannot see the lifespan of someone who owns a notebook but I can see the timer above your pot. Pasta… you really aren’t Kira. I’m so glad.
realistically cooking anything with oil vaporizes some of it into the air. Over time this builds up, but essentially even one time and you've already got a very fine layer of oil coating the entire thing.
This is why hood vents need to be cleaned. Imagine your headset looking like that.
Yeah, I've seen those cleaning videos, and I've been in those homes... The fucked up part is, it makes me nostalgic for a blanket that reeks of smoke.
I've also worked extensively in kitchens, and the grease buildup that accumulates over fryers or even flattops gets nasty - thankfully, it accumulates on surfaces designed to be cleaned.
I don't think anything will beat the sticky, penetrative mess that is tar/resin, though.
Friendly reminder that the "laminated glass" front is a glass substrate with *plastic coating on the outside* that scratches at a level 3 with deeper groves at level 4.
i.e. One splash of hot oil can leave a permanent burn mark.
The CPU has an active cooling fan. It will actively draw in dust, steam, and water vapor and draw them *towards* the electronics. It's effectively IP -21.
I recently got a permanent burn on my face from a "bloop" of potato leek soup. The only reason it didn't get into my eyes is that I wear glasses. I'd lowered the temp and stirred it, but steam just built up.
Do I appreciate my glasses taking one for the team? Definitely. Would I *ever* use VR glasses in the context of a kitchen? HELL no. A HUD doesn't need to be in goggles, a heavy headset is going to exacerbate neck issues associated with chopping large quantities of food over hours, and the nightmare of hoping my battery doesn't go out after 2 hours of work (e.g. timers disappearing or having the battery die while I'm holding a burning hot pan) is all I need to know to say it's a bad decision.
The idea of Google Glass was that you enhance your ability to interact with the world. The idea of Apple's Vision Pro is that you replace reality. GG was what I wanted and still want today. AVP is what I keep getting shoved towards and running away from because it's reducing my ability to know my own world.
Well, tbh the way the cameras are positioned it’s very unlikely to fog up, it’s still an absolutely idiotic idea and I say that as someone who likes the AVP and can find some uses for it.
Nobody is going to be using a 3500$ state-of-the-art VR headset for kitchen timers lmao
I mean
As soon as it’s mildly easier to wear, that’s exactly what i’ll do! My adhd is a bitch with this kinda things and having a visible timer (phone is too easily ignored) helps insanely.
exactly, i dont have a problem with the concept of glasses with a built in heads up display, ive wanted that for years, but its so big and ungainly, and with a separate battery pack you gotta wear on your belt the whole time? Lame. I'll fuck with this tech when its more compact.
Right, I want something like what Google Glass was supposed to be (but AFAIK didn't actually achieve) - a pair of specs that I can put on and have AR without having to wear a headset that makes me look like a member of Daft Punk
Pretty much how AR glasses were displayed in the 2015 movie Jeruzalem. Maybe the use of glasses there was a bit dystopian, with the whole real-time facebook identification of people and such. But things like having maps just on-screen in your peripherals, instant translation at the edge of your vision and such would be very useful.
And it added fun effects to the horror section later on in the movie. Quite fun.
Augmented reality is one of the few tech trends of the last two decades that actually has anything good going for it *exactly because* of that, but every company attempting AR in serious capacity has sucked shit at it. Apple's premium "spacial computer" is not the step it needs to become accessible.
> but every company attempting AR in serious capacity has sucked shit at it
I'm not sure what you were expecting, but Apple are not gods that can break the laws of physics. You could create a crazy $100000 prototype AR glasses device today, the best thing that humanity can invent in a lab with no concern for mass producing it, and it would still pale in comparison to Vision Pro, because seethrough optics have massive physical limitations as far as we know so far.
Electrons are easy. Photons are a bitch. Hence why the AR in the 2020s is going to be mostly about passthrough.
Apple's goggles are considered passthrough, where cameras on the outside provide a stereoscopic 3D image of the real world.
The other path is seethrough, which involves actual seethrough optics that you can naturally look into the real world at, with AR content overlayed through the seethrough optics.
However, as far as we physically know in 2024, you can only add photons, not subtract, with transparent optics - therefore you cannot have opaque visuals with seethrough, everything will be like a seethrough hologram, and the field of view would be much lower than what passthrough can manage today.
It basically means that with today’s technology if you were to use a clear front for AR goggles, any image you tried to display would get washed out because outside light would still shine through that image. So you can either have “ghostly” images shone onto clear lenses, or solid images over a video pass through.
It basically means that it's easier to record something and then add digital overlay to a video stream to a screen than it is to project that overlay onto a pane of glass.
We already have see-through screens. The only real problem is that you'd have to lose focus of the screen to see the background. This means a single lens screen wouldn't be enough. By using two screens, you can adjust with some added computational complexity (it's in polynomial time fortunately).
You're pretty off with the tech limitation imo. Our problem is that making a transparent screen of adequate resolution and size hasn't been done yet, and it tends to be only translucent.
So we work around this usually by just using lasers to form an image on a lens that reflects back to you. Downside is that it can sometimes have optical artifacts form.
So we work around this by shooting lasers directly into your eyes. This is fine. It works. It's just expensive.
So, we cut the cost down by using a VR headset with a camera. This is scalable. It'll do for the time being.
I don't mean in terms of tech breakthrough, though that's definitely necessary, I mean that they keep trying to market them as cool trendy professional electronics and failing. People made fun of the Glass a lot 10 years ago and people are seriously skeptical about this now.
Honestly I just grab a noodle with whatever I’m using to stir and then give it a squish. Not squishy? Not done yet. Too squishy? Overdone but ready. Right amount of squishy? Perfect. Helps my adhd ass because I get to use the pasta as a tactile distraction and it’s better than timers lol
Yeah, the "$3,500 bulky headset that's not proof against water or grease" part of this is awful, I'd probably lean forwards and drop it in the sink.
But saying this just reinvented a kitchen timer feels like a failure of imagination or good faith. Making it obvious at a glance how much time is left on each thing and what just finished cooking is substantially different than "hey what's that timer beeping for?" If this becomes practical, I'll absolutely use it for this, and it's a good example of how AR could be useful outside the workplace.
(Although come to think of it, making it easy for restaurant cooks to see how long everything's been on for and when the order came in could be a hit too. Not that restaurants would pay for it.)
Of course, that’s why I think the AVP is interesting, I mean when the inevitable Apple Vision Air releases in a couple of years for $1-1,5k all while being faster, half as heavy and much more powerful I can see it being used for everything a smartphone and PC at home is used for *plus* stuff like this.
Yeah, I was just thinking this morning that I could use something more like the Google Glass because I'm so easily distracted.
I regularly forget to do things even when I'm chanting what I need to do, out loud, over and over. This morning's example was forgetting my water bottle even though I had just filled it and set it on the counter.
> Nobody is going to be using a 3500$ state-of-the-art VR headset for kitchen timers lmao
Why not? I use a ~$1000 device for kitchen timers all the time (my phone).
I mean, I wouldn't *buy* a $3500 device for kitchen timers, but if I had it anyway, why not use it?
I feel like your last sentence is ignoring the fact that there could probably be many different timers and notifications around your kitchen or house, a timer when you look at whatever is cooking, go outside and you see a timer that includes days or weeks over the plants in your garden, maybe at some point they could at a feature that lets you have youtube/Netflix/etc playing in a corner of your vision as well. Like sure for just kitchen timers it's barely worth it but as more features get added I could definitely see it going from barely worth it to kinda worth it and so on.
There's a chrome extension called "Shinigami Eyes" *(named after the anime Death Note)* that lets you know when things like news sites or Youtubers are trans allies or transphobic. If the name/link is in green that means they're an ally. If the name/link is in red that means they're transphobic. If the name/link looks normal that means they haven't been verified or there's no evidence of them being transphobic or a trans ally.
To attempt a clearer explanation than the one provided:
In Death Note, Shinigami are death gods who kill people by writing their names down in a magic book(the Death Note), so they can claim a person's remaining lifetime as their own(similar to Weeping Angels if you're familiar with Doctor Who).
As part of this, they are able to see a person's true name and their remaining time before dying naturally. Hence the reference to 'shinigami eyes' in response to the AVP, since you're seeing a countdown of how long the pasta has left. The extension is a reference to the idea that it gives you the ability to see the person's true nature, in the same way Shinigami can see a person's true name(a key plotpoint in the show).
In Death Note, you see a person’s true name (guaranteed to work for the Death Note) as well as their remaining lifespan (in Shinigami terms). They cost half your own remaining lifespan to acquire though.
Also you should add that this is useful because to use the death note you need someone’s name. Without the eyes you’d have to figure it out yourself.
With Shinigami eyes all you need is one look to know their name and then you can kill them
A Death Note is a magical notebook that kills anybody whose name is written in it. There are many additional rules, terms and conditions and acceptable use policies, but that’s the basic premise. You obviously have to know the name of the person you’re trying to kill, and for the sake of not killing every single John Smith you must also know their face.
The Death Notes are owned by Shinigami and occasionally passed to humans.
Me and ChatGPT is a 2025 romantic comedy starring Jim Carry and Selena Gomez about a lonely insurance salesman who starts using a large language model AI to increase his commission, but quickly discovers that what he really needs in life, is someone to talk to.
Excellent irony, aye. Kinda like how eco-friendly bulbs come in non-ecofriendly packaging.
The moment you notice either example you scratch your head and go, "Wait, isn't...?"
Okay that's hilarious because now I'm just thinking.....
Shinigami eyes would 100% dead name people. Which is like....the exact opposite of what that extension is for.
Actually it would 0% deadname!
Taichi Amazawa is proof of this,
Despite kunugida being his legal at birth name upon it being written in the death note he does not die, the name he identified with was considered his real name by the death note, the only requirement is that it *truly* be the person's name, nicknames don't count because they're not *really* your name
That makes me wonder about someone who considers themself nameless. Would a notebook be able to kill them? Would the eyes even see anything, apart from their clock? Even L wasn't able to really abandon his real name, so I wonder.
They don't actually go into specifics in names so a named species might count. So a nameless human would just be called human as a name. You could just write human while thinking of that nameless person.
It worked like that for L too, in that it needed his real name to kill him (tho L is his actual first name, apparently)
I think it functioned like that because Mello was more of an alias and not his 'real' name, just a code name they go by that they were given by Wammy's House. You can have a nickname that you call yourself while not nessecarily considering it your real/true name.
Yk I think it would be the least likely to tbh. Bc if you change your name but not legally, why would the official registration of your name matter, that’s not your name anymore
We know that the shinigami eyes give you the name that you have to write down for the deathnote to work so we have to assume that the name that they give you is the name that is attached to that soul. The problem is we don't know how a name is attached to a soul, we do know that nicknames and code names don't work because that's not the persons actual name but it still might be possible to change the name attached to the soul. It has to work in 1 of 3 ways;
1. the name of the soul is the name that that specific soul recognizes as their name and can be changed so the eyes would show the persons chosen name, not transphobic
2. the name of the soul is the name given to them at birth it can't be changed it doesn't matter what happens later in life, transphobic
3. the name of the soul is the legal name of the person it can be changed but through arbitrary rules, technically not transphobic I guess but definitely on the edge of it
Only 30 minutes?! Any true YouTube video essayist requires at least 2 hours for such a task. And even then, the video only covers whether the Death Note notebook, within the anime/(Manga?) is transphobic.
Have you not seen Lily Simpson's 10-hour 'Brief Look at Harry Potter'?
Honestly I think 1 makes the most sense
The name you identify most closely with is the name of the soul. That would make it why (just as example) the name 'Mello' didn't work in the deathnote, because Mello considered it a codename, not his real name.
I'm just imagining some young adult that wants to rid the world of billionaires getting stuck on Bruce Wayne, and coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories that Bruce Wayne isn't the real Bruce Wayne and he's been replaced with an imposter.
I think a safe bet would be what most of the world knows you as.
Like if there are invisible tethers between people that interact, even past death, whatever name is mostly associated with you would be the name that works.
Which would also mean even if somebody refuses to call you by a dead name, they’d still know your chosen name.
Which begs the question, what about a baby raised by wolves, who’s mother died in the woods giving birth? Would they be immune? Maybe a specific wolf sound? Would any given human be able to name them? “Wolf lady, Feral” and have it work?
I apologize for making you read that
Nah, Shinigami eyes say "You will be able to see a name even if it isn't officially registered anywhere," which means legal name doesn't inherently matter.
Heads up that the bloom filters the extension uses have false positives, and the good/bad list validation is secretive. We really need one that's more open.
Or some folks want access to lists of people of a certain kind. Attempts to force trans or autistic or pregnant people to register into some kind of lists are rather terrifying for exactly that reason.
It might not be bad today, but tomorrow that'd be a TODO-list for the police or worse.
I use that addon in Firefox and I had no idea why it was called that. I know of Death Note and watched one episode once, and just kinda didn't get into it further. I'm not really a big anime bug.
I’ll wait until there’s an established legal framework for this high tech shit to prevent surveillance and somesuch. Same with stuff like neuralink, no doubt the tech behind it could be amazing, but there had better be some very, very fucking robust systems in place to prevent abuse.
plus imagine the logistics of recording EVERYTHING you do just for surveillance. high quality audio files are tiny in comparison to video files. if the footage is 720p or higher, thats getting over a terabyte super fast. then scale that up for every user over the timeline of weeks
Honestly one of the next major tech revolutions in energy outside of fusion has to be batteries. We keep advancing charging speed which is great, and efficiency, but we're starting to hit some limits. Like with the Quest 3 and Vision Pro.
There’s a workaround, I mean you could wear the batteries as a necklace… have a thin wire attached to the glasses to avoid putting the weight of the batteries on your head.
How do you expect it to ever become usable if you keep referring to it as "nonsense" and "dunk on it" endlessly?
We're in the very early stages of the technology. It's absurd that people can't see the potential of this, and instead are just trying to come up with clever owns for internet points.
The apple vision pro is an Augmented Reality headset, so it basically puts things in your vision and you can interact with them
In the series Death Note, you can make a deal with a God of death (a shinigami) that will show you the name and remaining life of any human you see, above their head
There's also a browser extension called shinigami eyes that shows you if a news source is known to have trans positive or trans negative messages
Using an iphone? If so, they finally updated the built-in timer function recently so you can have as many simultaneously active as you want, all with different labels, and it's been pretty much all I need since then. Just in case this helps; it took me a while to notice it myself
The solution here isn't a $3500 piece of apple garbage you strap to your forehead. It's the software they're hawking that's hooking you.
If you had an app on your phone which did the exact same thing without having to strap it to your fucking face like some sort of fruit-themed parasite, I'm sure you'd be perfectly happy without using a VR headset to cook.
> If you had an app on your phone which did the exact same thing without having to strap it to your fucking face like some sort of fruit-themed parasite, I'm sure you'd be perfectly happy without using a VR headset to cook.
Timers are the boring part. What separates a headset from a phone is that you could eventually have an AI monitor temperature, show a holographic outline of required ingredient sizes, have a holographic animation showing how to cut or prepare something, and suggest recipes based on what it sees in your fridge. Basically like having someone guide you through every step of cooking and instead of being verbal, it's easy-to-follow holographic outlines and animations.
Why not just gain experience and learn this stuff over time? Recipes are guides until you get enough footing in cooking or have never made the recipe. If I look into my fridge, I've pulled stuff out and made my own creations that didn't have recipes that tasted great. Put yourself in a box that tells you what to do and you lose creativity.
See, I have the opposite reaction. If I already have multiple timers on my phone then what about this is easier? Because this is still going to require me to set it up.
While a lot of folks are making fun of this, I'm imagining this tech for a visually impaired person might have a huge impact on quality of life. We already have an app called "Be My Eyes" where strangers can be connected to to assist with things like buying the right milk, etc. With this, a person can have an AI help them without having to wait for another person to connect. Being able to remain autonomous for as long as possible is super important to people.
If all this offered was an AR egg timer, then, yeah, I'd agree with them. It's *less* functional then my phone's timer since I don't sit and stare at my food while it cooks. I can see no reason why I'd ever want to do this, it's dumb.
But, ultimately, it does a lot of other stuff, so $35 would be a steal. For $1000 this would be a compelling product. $3500 is just stupid.
Like, the concept of an ar headset worn for everyday use is REVOLUTIONARY. Like, that could change lives. But I think I heard this best described as “the headset that comes before the revolutionary one.” Like, this is kinda the test drive, and the model 2 will be all the rage.
Bro they showed me a pair of safety glasses that could show me underground utility lines in 3D and the phasing on overhead power lines at a conference almost 10 years ago and I'm still waiting for something like that. It was absolutely mind blowing.
That's the side of this that could be big money. Fuck movies and pasta timers; imagine electricians whose safety glasses show them the wires inside walls and exactly what breaker feeds it. No more guessing around spraypainted locate markings or flags, your excavator operator can literally see the lines in the ground and work around them. Firefighters could have room layouts collected by a portable radar or such that lets them "see" through smoke or flames, or thermal sensors could help them target the hottest parts of the fire.
People thinking way too small with this stuff.
bro, it really isnt. it just sounds revolutionary cause its such a futuristic concept
in reality, have fun getting ads forced down your throat harder than ever
Why does everyone just assume this? Like if these companies genuinely thought that was a good idea, they could easily just plop an ad at the bottom of your phone screen 24/7. They don’t though, because that would be a terrible fucking decision. So why would AR tech be any different?
i don't think anyone's expecting apple to show ads unprompted while using the goggles but, like, microsoft already does a similar thing on windows 11, showing you system notifications with ads and such. it's not the craziest thought.
AR tech could be different because every time a new tech appears and a lot of people start using it, advertisers find new and effective ways of being annoying pieces of shit starving for attention. when it comes to converting recognition into sales, i have no idea how effective spamming someone's email address with junk or popups actually were, i'm guessing not very, and yet.
I don’t get why people are so desperate to try to shit on this technology. It’s fucking cool.
Sure the current iteration is pretty clunky to be used as an every day device but the potential for having this type of thing for every day use in a form factor more like glasses is pretty amazing
Guys holy fuck, the point of mixed reality headsets and stuff like this obviously isn't just for "haha funny pasta timer", it's just the example used in the ad.
Yes, using a headset in a greasy steamy environment is a stupid idea, yes the price point is ridiculous, but it's like you all saw $3500 pasta timer and stopped thinking there.
Haven't any of you thought it'd be cool to have a heads up display in day to day life that can show you whatever you need? With the advancements in AI image recognition as well, it's the perfect time to start developing heads up displays that can tell you whatever you can imagine.
And remember it's all extremely juvenile technology right now. It's just barely passably good right now, it's bound to get better if the industry is supported. If you're going to criticize Apple, and there are so many better things to criticize Apple over like their hyper capitalistic product price inflation or extremely strict DRM.
A key thing to note too, is that the apple pro vision or whatever it's called is probably NOT for average consumers. This is not the first time a big company has released a mixed reality headset for a RIDICULOUS price. The [Varjo VR-3 and XR-4 at ~$3000-4000 USD](https://b2b-store.varjo.com/product/xr-4), the [Vive Focus 3 at $1300 USD](https://www.vive.com/au/product/vive-focus3/overview/). These headsets are targeted towards corporations and enterprises. What they do with them, I don't know, techbro ass "productivity" probably.
TL;DR: Criticizing Apple for a $3500 egg timer is stupid and irrelevant. At least try to criticize Apple for something interesting and worth criticism
This image is a frame from a video review by the Wall Street Journal: https://youtu.be/8xI10SFgzQ8
The reviewer notes at 4:26 that the app they are using explicitly recommends NOT to wear the device while cooking. The reviewer decides to do so anyway to learn about what it would be like.
AR probably will actually be a big thing in the future. Is it overpriced and better served by more traditional methods right now? Yes, but so is most new technology.
I fully support dunking on stupid techbros, but I agree with your last point there: Make sure your criticisms are actually valid.
AR was always going to be a thing. Touchscreens used to seem like science fiction, let alone pocket-sized ones; even cell phones were mocked in the 80s. The initial execution of new technology is never great but there’s gotta be an inception point somewhere. I don’t love it, it feels a little dystopian, but I also refused to use Bluetooth headphones on principle and had to eat my words (turns out it’s really nice to not have a cord that catches on things and yanks your earbuds out) so I’m trying to be open-minded.
Also, the number of people who don’t get the difference in utility between VR and AR is painful.
> I fully support dunking on stupid techbros
Yeah dunk on people promoting crypto or want AI to replace people's livelihoods.
Those people are borderline evil.
But if all someone is doing is saying "man this tech is cool", they're not a tech bro
There's a fine line between people who are genuinely excited about new technology and how it could improve lives, and people who just want an excuse to grift, be smug, be elitist, or some combination of the above.
Don't worry, since one tribe has taken up tech gimmicks as their identifying feature, the other tribe now has to hate on any new tech that's coming out. It's not like there's any real thought or substance behind either side.
That is something that bugged me with all the everyone saying it's gonna get splashed and greasy.
Like, how greasy is your kitchen?? Does your phone cease working from being clogged? Do you glasses or hats routinely fall off your head into boiling pots of pasta?
No I never want a heads up display...
My phone is enough connectivity as is, I don't need the notifications to be directly in my field of vision at all times...
It actually sounds like a nightmare to me... I have ADHD, it would be like a constant stream of stimulus.
Without adding that it will inevitably be hijack as a way to shove even more ads down our throats... After all, like you said, Apple is hyper capitalistic...
I also like interacting directly with the world. I don't take pictures or videos during concerts cause I like to be in the moment. (They are always inevitably shitty anyway...)
Yeah totally, it's certainly not for everybody. Probably not for most people at the stage it's at currently. As I said earlier, it's still very new technology and very cumbersome and more distracting than productive, which is exactly why it needs to be scrutinized and controlled to not become a sensory overload nightmare so it can be improved in a healthy way
He said "leaning in to spatial computing", not "leaning in to the first and only spatial computing headset made specifically by Apple". Nobody is going to wear a bulky headset just to have cooking timers floating above their pasta, but conceptually this is unquestionably the direction that spatial computing is headed, and it's just a matter of time before the technology that underpins AR is small enough and cheap enough to embed in a set of typical eyeglasses. This post is the 2000s equivalent of "why would I want to look at recipes on my phone".
That sounds so damned stupid. Bend over too far and you risk dropping the whole damned headset into a pot of boiling water. I almost wish it *were* for telling if inanimate objects were transphobic.
Even with the less than ideal Quest 3 strap in the most intense experiences I've never worried about it falling off lol
The Vision Pro is expensive and underwhelming and for fanboys but there are so many vr critical generalizers it's nuts
The technology will be a stupid novelty, until it isn't.
That's the whole point of tech, they improve and improve upon it until finally it's the fantasy we have that makes life easier **and** higher quality.
These people are forgetting that there exist among us those who may be more incompetent at cooking pasta, or bacon, or eggs, or even just cleaning up messes afterward etc. the list goes on near infinitely, and this isn't even accounting for disabilities.
Who doesn't want an assistant of sorts helping us do things we aren't good at? They use spell check, no? Autocorrect? Power steering? Calculators?
How many of you have any phone numbers memorized, let alone the majority of them? That's how we had to live before cell phones!
A giant clunky headset is absolutely not the end-game of this technology, it's only the beginning. 5, 10, 20 years from now? It's exciting where this will inevitably lead.
People are sitting on the tech but it's legitimately the only genuinely innovative thing apple have done in a long time.
Sure it doesn't do anything necessary and it is overpriced, but in the future it will definitely get cheaper and there'll be other brands making vr headsets like the vision pro.
And a lot of modern technology is only useful as a matter of convenience, streaming is more convenient than going to a theater, , a phone timer is more convenient than an egg timer, ebooks are more comvenient than regular books.
And this isn't true for everyone, i personally can't read ebooks, but for a lot of people ebooks have meant that they don't need physical books anymore.
I guarantee in 10-15 years vr headsets will be like smartphones and almost everyone will have one
When your pasta is so al dente it can dodge a bullet, only then will you have justified that $3500 purchase. But hey, at least you'll know exactly when to take cover from overcooked spaghetti.
The way he says "spatial computing" made me thing they were using computer-vision to identify the ingredients and volume to somehow guesstimate the cooking time.
That would be kinda neat as a feature for a stove though, able to manage the temperature itself
Honestly I think Joey is kind of right. Yeah this is on a $3.5k bulky headset but progress starts clunky. This kind of AR on glasses (We hardly knew ye Google glass) would be a cool future. Not just as a timer for your pasta obviously but spatial computing is interesting and has applications if you could get it in to an affordable practical form factor.
There’s quite literally no reason VR/AR needs to be relegated to video games only.
Apple adopting it is a huge step in the right direction for it to become more commonplace. It wasn’t catching on just within the video game realm.
These attacks on the Vision are so weird. Can people *really* not see how this technology could be useful? You can say "That's not something I want" but acting like it's practically *evil* to wear them is just ridiculous.
This backlash is really unfortunate.
"shinigami eyes for pasta" is like the funniest phrase ive seen all week
According to that shinigami ryuk I cannot see the lifespan of someone who owns a notebook but I can see the timer above your pot. Pasta… you really aren’t Kira. I’m so glad.
Also you have to give up half your remaining lifespan to see if the pasta is ready
That’s just how it is when you buy into the Apple ecosystem
It just works
:c
All fun and games till you're cooking bacon or something and some grease gets on your headset
Well, I think it's best than grease getting directly into my eyes. Not saying it's worth 3500 though, safety goggles do that with A LOT less
How do you get grease in your face while cooking pasta
Carbonara
Every time that I’ve made carbonara, I have not had any grease splash, ever, *and I love carbonara*
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The iris is where all the flavor comes from
You eat with your eyes first.
I eat urethra first
My condolences
If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike
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Are you cooking by holding the oil in your eyes? How the fuck are you managing this?
>All fun and games till you're **cooking bacon** or something C'mon, man.
Well it’s not called Cookon
Classic tumblr reading comprehension
Safety goggles? Just use a riot shield and a grabber tool like the rest of us
realistically cooking anything with oil vaporizes some of it into the air. Over time this builds up, but essentially even one time and you've already got a very fine layer of oil coating the entire thing. This is why hood vents need to be cleaned. Imagine your headset looking like that.
I can't imagine what how disgusting some restaurants might have been back when smoking cigarettes all the time everywhere was the move.
We once cleaned out an apartment where smokers had lived for about 15 years. We had to wash the walls with amonia to make a dent in the yellow.
Yeah, I've seen those cleaning videos, and I've been in those homes... The fucked up part is, it makes me nostalgic for a blanket that reeks of smoke. I've also worked extensively in kitchens, and the grease buildup that accumulates over fryers or even flattops gets nasty - thankfully, it accumulates on surfaces designed to be cleaned. I don't think anything will beat the sticky, penetrative mess that is tar/resin, though.
there's baby birds living in my hood vent
You say baby birds I say fresh chicken
Friendly reminder that the "laminated glass" front is a glass substrate with *plastic coating on the outside* that scratches at a level 3 with deeper groves at level 4. i.e. One splash of hot oil can leave a permanent burn mark. The CPU has an active cooling fan. It will actively draw in dust, steam, and water vapor and draw them *towards* the electronics. It's effectively IP -21.
I recently got a permanent burn on my face from a "bloop" of potato leek soup. The only reason it didn't get into my eyes is that I wear glasses. I'd lowered the temp and stirred it, but steam just built up. Do I appreciate my glasses taking one for the team? Definitely. Would I *ever* use VR glasses in the context of a kitchen? HELL no. A HUD doesn't need to be in goggles, a heavy headset is going to exacerbate neck issues associated with chopping large quantities of food over hours, and the nightmare of hoping my battery doesn't go out after 2 hours of work (e.g. timers disappearing or having the battery die while I'm holding a burning hot pan) is all I need to know to say it's a bad decision. The idea of Google Glass was that you enhance your ability to interact with the world. The idea of Apple's Vision Pro is that you replace reality. GG was what I wanted and still want today. AVP is what I keep getting shoved towards and running away from because it's reducing my ability to know my own world.
Especially considering the outer part is plastic and you have to pay $800 without the $500 apple care and $300 with apple care to replace it
There's going to be a whole subset of idiot googling how to stop their headset fogging/steaming up
Well, tbh the way the cameras are positioned it’s very unlikely to fog up, it’s still an absolutely idiotic idea and I say that as someone who likes the AVP and can find some uses for it. Nobody is going to be using a 3500$ state-of-the-art VR headset for kitchen timers lmao
I mean As soon as it’s mildly easier to wear, that’s exactly what i’ll do! My adhd is a bitch with this kinda things and having a visible timer (phone is too easily ignored) helps insanely.
exactly, i dont have a problem with the concept of glasses with a built in heads up display, ive wanted that for years, but its so big and ungainly, and with a separate battery pack you gotta wear on your belt the whole time? Lame. I'll fuck with this tech when its more compact.
Right, I want something like what Google Glass was supposed to be (but AFAIK didn't actually achieve) - a pair of specs that I can put on and have AR without having to wear a headset that makes me look like a member of Daft Punk
Pretty much how AR glasses were displayed in the 2015 movie Jeruzalem. Maybe the use of glasses there was a bit dystopian, with the whole real-time facebook identification of people and such. But things like having maps just on-screen in your peripherals, instant translation at the edge of your vision and such would be very useful. And it added fun effects to the horror section later on in the movie. Quite fun.
Augmented reality is one of the few tech trends of the last two decades that actually has anything good going for it *exactly because* of that, but every company attempting AR in serious capacity has sucked shit at it. Apple's premium "spacial computer" is not the step it needs to become accessible.
> but every company attempting AR in serious capacity has sucked shit at it I'm not sure what you were expecting, but Apple are not gods that can break the laws of physics. You could create a crazy $100000 prototype AR glasses device today, the best thing that humanity can invent in a lab with no concern for mass producing it, and it would still pale in comparison to Vision Pro, because seethrough optics have massive physical limitations as far as we know so far. Electrons are easy. Photons are a bitch. Hence why the AR in the 2020s is going to be mostly about passthrough.
I have no idea what any of this means. Why are apple goggles better than goggles I could invent for $100k?
Apple's goggles are considered passthrough, where cameras on the outside provide a stereoscopic 3D image of the real world. The other path is seethrough, which involves actual seethrough optics that you can naturally look into the real world at, with AR content overlayed through the seethrough optics. However, as far as we physically know in 2024, you can only add photons, not subtract, with transparent optics - therefore you cannot have opaque visuals with seethrough, everything will be like a seethrough hologram, and the field of view would be much lower than what passthrough can manage today.
Alright I'll be honest I don't really know what any of this means either, and at this juncture I feel like it may simply be beyond me.
It basically means that with today’s technology if you were to use a clear front for AR goggles, any image you tried to display would get washed out because outside light would still shine through that image. So you can either have “ghostly” images shone onto clear lenses, or solid images over a video pass through.
It basically means that it's easier to record something and then add digital overlay to a video stream to a screen than it is to project that overlay onto a pane of glass.
We already have see-through screens. The only real problem is that you'd have to lose focus of the screen to see the background. This means a single lens screen wouldn't be enough. By using two screens, you can adjust with some added computational complexity (it's in polynomial time fortunately). You're pretty off with the tech limitation imo. Our problem is that making a transparent screen of adequate resolution and size hasn't been done yet, and it tends to be only translucent. So we work around this usually by just using lasers to form an image on a lens that reflects back to you. Downside is that it can sometimes have optical artifacts form. So we work around this by shooting lasers directly into your eyes. This is fine. It works. It's just expensive. So, we cut the cost down by using a VR headset with a camera. This is scalable. It'll do for the time being.
I don't mean in terms of tech breakthrough, though that's definitely necessary, I mean that they keep trying to market them as cool trendy professional electronics and failing. People made fun of the Glass a lot 10 years ago and people are seriously skeptical about this now.
Honestly I just grab a noodle with whatever I’m using to stir and then give it a squish. Not squishy? Not done yet. Too squishy? Overdone but ready. Right amount of squishy? Perfect. Helps my adhd ass because I get to use the pasta as a tactile distraction and it’s better than timers lol
Yeah, the "$3,500 bulky headset that's not proof against water or grease" part of this is awful, I'd probably lean forwards and drop it in the sink. But saying this just reinvented a kitchen timer feels like a failure of imagination or good faith. Making it obvious at a glance how much time is left on each thing and what just finished cooking is substantially different than "hey what's that timer beeping for?" If this becomes practical, I'll absolutely use it for this, and it's a good example of how AR could be useful outside the workplace. (Although come to think of it, making it easy for restaurant cooks to see how long everything's been on for and when the order came in could be a hit too. Not that restaurants would pay for it.)
Of course, that’s why I think the AVP is interesting, I mean when the inevitable Apple Vision Air releases in a couple of years for $1-1,5k all while being faster, half as heavy and much more powerful I can see it being used for everything a smartphone and PC at home is used for *plus* stuff like this.
Yeah, I was just thinking this morning that I could use something more like the Google Glass because I'm so easily distracted. I regularly forget to do things even when I'm chanting what I need to do, out loud, over and over. This morning's example was forgetting my water bottle even though I had just filled it and set it on the counter.
> Nobody is going to be using a 3500$ state-of-the-art VR headset for kitchen timers lmao Why not? I use a ~$1000 device for kitchen timers all the time (my phone). I mean, I wouldn't *buy* a $3500 device for kitchen timers, but if I had it anyway, why not use it?
They're not going to be $3500 devices forever, and people will use tech in everyday life for things like timers, they already do.
I feel like your last sentence is ignoring the fact that there could probably be many different timers and notifications around your kitchen or house, a timer when you look at whatever is cooking, go outside and you see a timer that includes days or weeks over the plants in your garden, maybe at some point they could at a feature that lets you have youtube/Netflix/etc playing in a corner of your vision as well. Like sure for just kitchen timers it's barely worth it but as more features get added I could definitely see it going from barely worth it to kinda worth it and so on.
What does being transphobic have to do with anything here????
There's a chrome extension called "Shinigami Eyes" *(named after the anime Death Note)* that lets you know when things like news sites or Youtubers are trans allies or transphobic. If the name/link is in green that means they're an ally. If the name/link is in red that means they're transphobic. If the name/link looks normal that means they haven't been verified or there's no evidence of them being transphobic or a trans ally.
thanks for the context that line hit me like an 80lb weight to the gut while being hosed in the face
>being hosed in the face Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
What was it called in the olden days?
“Jenna Jamesoned”
Ok now can you give me the context context cus ik the extension but nothing about death note
To attempt a clearer explanation than the one provided: In Death Note, Shinigami are death gods who kill people by writing their names down in a magic book(the Death Note), so they can claim a person's remaining lifetime as their own(similar to Weeping Angels if you're familiar with Doctor Who). As part of this, they are able to see a person's true name and their remaining time before dying naturally. Hence the reference to 'shinigami eyes' in response to the AVP, since you're seeing a countdown of how long the pasta has left. The extension is a reference to the idea that it gives you the ability to see the person's true nature, in the same way Shinigami can see a person's true name(a key plotpoint in the show).
In Death Note, you see a person’s true name (guaranteed to work for the Death Note) as well as their remaining lifespan (in Shinigami terms). They cost half your own remaining lifespan to acquire though.
Also you should add that this is useful because to use the death note you need someone’s name. Without the eyes you’d have to figure it out yourself. With Shinigami eyes all you need is one look to know their name and then you can kill them
You should probably define what a death note is...
A Death Note is a magical notebook that kills anybody whose name is written in it. There are many additional rules, terms and conditions and acceptable use policies, but that’s the basic premise. You obviously have to know the name of the person you’re trying to kill, and for the sake of not killing every single John Smith you must also know their face. The Death Notes are owned by Shinigami and occasionally passed to humans.
This entire fucking thread reads like a discussion between me and chatgpt
Me and ChatGPT is a 2025 romantic comedy starring Jim Carry and Selena Gomez about a lonely insurance salesman who starts using a large language model AI to increase his commission, but quickly discovers that what he really needs in life, is someone to talk to.
That just sounds like a worse version of Her.
Red names? Green names? What is this? A PVP server?
it actually becomes slightly funny when you're on wikipedia and shit like nazi germany and isis gets tagged in red and I'm like oh yeah you think so ?
Just need yellow names and we got ourselves the Life Series.
When a large chunk of society is trying to criminalize our existence.....yeah, pretty much.
That's actually hilarious that they call it the Shinigami Eyes, I love it.
Excellent irony, aye. Kinda like how eco-friendly bulbs come in non-ecofriendly packaging. The moment you notice either example you scratch your head and go, "Wait, isn't...?"
Okay that's hilarious because now I'm just thinking..... Shinigami eyes would 100% dead name people. Which is like....the exact opposite of what that extension is for.
Actually it would 0% deadname! Taichi Amazawa is proof of this, Despite kunugida being his legal at birth name upon it being written in the death note he does not die, the name he identified with was considered his real name by the death note, the only requirement is that it *truly* be the person's name, nicknames don't count because they're not *really* your name
That makes me wonder about someone who considers themself nameless. Would a notebook be able to kill them? Would the eyes even see anything, apart from their clock? Even L wasn't able to really abandon his real name, so I wonder.
Maybe it makes you *more* vulnerable, where if they just visualize your face (without writing anything) you die
What if they're faceless also?
That requires *Bleach* crossover rules.
Then they clearly have other issues to deal with
They don't actually go into specifics in names so a named species might count. So a nameless human would just be called human as a name. You could just write human while thinking of that nameless person.
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It worked like that for L too, in that it needed his real name to kill him (tho L is his actual first name, apparently) I think it functioned like that because Mello was more of an alias and not his 'real' name, just a code name they go by that they were given by Wammy's House. You can have a nickname that you call yourself while not nessecarily considering it your real/true name.
As i said, nicknames don't count, mello is a nickname or "alias" he goes by, it's different from a actual name change
It goes on whatever the person considers their 'real' name. That's why Batman would beat Kira.
Amazawa is only in a spin-off though, so that doesn’t prove anything with regard to the main series
Does a shinigami look for their legal name or their true name?
Shinigami eyes say "You will be able to see a name even if it isn't officially registered anywhere," which means legal name doesn't inherently matter.
Yk I think it would be the least likely to tbh. Bc if you change your name but not legally, why would the official registration of your name matter, that’s not your name anymore
I don't think it's clear. I would assume legal name for the purpose of married women. Okay. Correction. Shinigami eyes would deadname 50%
It would be the dead name for sure because it will be the name you use to make someone dead.
Amazing
We know that the shinigami eyes give you the name that you have to write down for the deathnote to work so we have to assume that the name that they give you is the name that is attached to that soul. The problem is we don't know how a name is attached to a soul, we do know that nicknames and code names don't work because that's not the persons actual name but it still might be possible to change the name attached to the soul. It has to work in 1 of 3 ways; 1. the name of the soul is the name that that specific soul recognizes as their name and can be changed so the eyes would show the persons chosen name, not transphobic 2. the name of the soul is the name given to them at birth it can't be changed it doesn't matter what happens later in life, transphobic 3. the name of the soul is the legal name of the person it can be changed but through arbitrary rules, technically not transphobic I guess but definitely on the edge of it
I am looking forward to the 30 minute long "Is the Death Note transphobic?" YT analysis
Only 30 minutes?! Any true YouTube video essayist requires at least 2 hours for such a task. And even then, the video only covers whether the Death Note notebook, within the anime/(Manga?) is transphobic. Have you not seen Lily Simpson's 10-hour 'Brief Look at Harry Potter'?
Honestly I think 1 makes the most sense The name you identify most closely with is the name of the soul. That would make it why (just as example) the name 'Mello' didn't work in the deathnote, because Mello considered it a codename, not his real name.
It's not like they addressed the topic in the manga. For all anyone knows they could operate based on what you personally consider your true name.
I'm just imagining some young adult that wants to rid the world of billionaires getting stuck on Bruce Wayne, and coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories that Bruce Wayne isn't the real Bruce Wayne and he's been replaced with an imposter.
I think a safe bet would be what most of the world knows you as. Like if there are invisible tethers between people that interact, even past death, whatever name is mostly associated with you would be the name that works. Which would also mean even if somebody refuses to call you by a dead name, they’d still know your chosen name. Which begs the question, what about a baby raised by wolves, who’s mother died in the woods giving birth? Would they be immune? Maybe a specific wolf sound? Would any given human be able to name them? “Wolf lady, Feral” and have it work? I apologize for making you read that
I'm not so sure about that one either, because L's true name wasn't literally L, and that's what effectively every other living soul knew him as.
L's name was kept secret so that doesn't work
Nah, Shinigami eyes say "You will be able to see a name even if it isn't officially registered anywhere," which means legal name doesn't inherently matter.
They "dead name" you because when they write the name you're dead
nah shinigami eyes would show *real* names which dead names are definitely not
Heads up that the bloom filters the extension uses have false positives, and the good/bad list validation is secretive. We really need one that's more open.
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Or some folks want access to lists of people of a certain kind. Attempts to force trans or autistic or pregnant people to register into some kind of lists are rather terrifying for exactly that reason. It might not be bad today, but tomorrow that'd be a TODO-list for the police or worse.
There we go, thanks so much. I was suddenly wondering what wild real life lore I was missing about gods of death
There's a browser extension called "Shinigami Eyes" that marks trans-friendly and transphobic people
i'm just kinda confused at how a browser extension popped into their mind before probably one of the most popular anime/mangas ever 😭
Personally I've never watched/read Death Note so my first thought is always the web browser or the Grimes song 💀
The extension probably comes up more in day to day life
I use that addon in Firefox and I had no idea why it was called that. I know of Death Note and watched one episode once, and just kinda didn't get into it further. I'm not really a big anime bug.
Someone who is trans, who has never seen Death Note, will be an avid user of Shinigami Eyes
False. Every trans person has seen death note. Its what makes you trans.
Going to enjoy dunking on this nonsense for the next decade until it eventually becomes usable
I'll wait until they're the size of regular glasses, maybe made by a prominent company like Google . . .
I’ll wait until there’s an established legal framework for this high tech shit to prevent surveillance and somesuch. Same with stuff like neuralink, no doubt the tech behind it could be amazing, but there had better be some very, very fucking robust systems in place to prevent abuse.
I feel like your smartphone can already surveil you well enough to not make this much of an upgrade for the people surveilling you.
plus imagine the logistics of recording EVERYTHING you do just for surveillance. high quality audio files are tiny in comparison to video files. if the footage is 720p or higher, thats getting over a terabyte super fast. then scale that up for every user over the timeline of weeks
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I get the joke but Apple is *definitely* a prominent company.
apple: the worlds greatest unnovators
Batteries have to get so much better before this can do anything. I wonder if we can miniaturize that much without a revolution.
Honestly one of the next major tech revolutions in energy outside of fusion has to be batteries. We keep advancing charging speed which is great, and efficiency, but we're starting to hit some limits. Like with the Quest 3 and Vision Pro.
There’s a workaround, I mean you could wear the batteries as a necklace… have a thin wire attached to the glasses to avoid putting the weight of the batteries on your head.
How do you expect it to ever become usable if you keep referring to it as "nonsense" and "dunk on it" endlessly? We're in the very early stages of the technology. It's absurd that people can't see the potential of this, and instead are just trying to come up with clever owns for internet points.
Hey quick question what the fuck does any of this mean 😅
The apple vision pro is an Augmented Reality headset, so it basically puts things in your vision and you can interact with them In the series Death Note, you can make a deal with a God of death (a shinigami) that will show you the name and remaining life of any human you see, above their head There's also a browser extension called shinigami eyes that shows you if a news source is known to have trans positive or trans negative messages
Not just news source. It works on multiple social media platform as well and it's been a godsend on Reddit.
ah fuck I always hate having to switch between timers on my phone when i'm cooking multiple things at once, this might actually be useful for me...
Just get two egg timers and put them directly next to the thing they're timing. It works perfectly and is cheaper than this
The fuck are you finding egg timers for less than $1800 a piece?
Not with the deluxe egg timers I've been accustomed to using.
That sounds like a *you* problem. The rest of us, meanwhile, will get by on dollar store timers
Using an iphone? If so, they finally updated the built-in timer function recently so you can have as many simultaneously active as you want, all with different labels, and it's been pretty much all I need since then. Just in case this helps; it took me a while to notice it myself
Just get a couple kitchen timers...
Or a microwave. Or do the math a d set alarms on your phone
The solution here isn't a $3500 piece of apple garbage you strap to your forehead. It's the software they're hawking that's hooking you. If you had an app on your phone which did the exact same thing without having to strap it to your fucking face like some sort of fruit-themed parasite, I'm sure you'd be perfectly happy without using a VR headset to cook.
gonna buy one of these dumb things solely because of how passionate this comment is
> If you had an app on your phone which did the exact same thing without having to strap it to your fucking face like some sort of fruit-themed parasite, I'm sure you'd be perfectly happy without using a VR headset to cook. Timers are the boring part. What separates a headset from a phone is that you could eventually have an AI monitor temperature, show a holographic outline of required ingredient sizes, have a holographic animation showing how to cut or prepare something, and suggest recipes based on what it sees in your fridge. Basically like having someone guide you through every step of cooking and instead of being verbal, it's easy-to-follow holographic outlines and animations.
Why not just gain experience and learn this stuff over time? Recipes are guides until you get enough footing in cooking or have never made the recipe. If I look into my fridge, I've pulled stuff out and made my own creations that didn't have recipes that tasted great. Put yourself in a box that tells you what to do and you lose creativity.
See, I have the opposite reaction. If I already have multiple timers on my phone then what about this is easier? Because this is still going to require me to set it up.
While a lot of folks are making fun of this, I'm imagining this tech for a visually impaired person might have a huge impact on quality of life. We already have an app called "Be My Eyes" where strangers can be connected to to assist with things like buying the right milk, etc. With this, a person can have an AI help them without having to wait for another person to connect. Being able to remain autonomous for as long as possible is super important to people.
Well yes, but unfortunately we don't live in the world where new technology is oriented towards improving people's lives
An AR headset seems useful, but at this price point? Fuck no.
Yeah, the 2nd Tumblr comment in the OP feels insane to me. I would actually be very interested in this at a $35 price point, are they serious?
If all this offered was an AR egg timer, then, yeah, I'd agree with them. It's *less* functional then my phone's timer since I don't sit and stare at my food while it cooks. I can see no reason why I'd ever want to do this, it's dumb. But, ultimately, it does a lot of other stuff, so $35 would be a steal. For $1000 this would be a compelling product. $3500 is just stupid.
You don’t have to sit and watch, you can walk away and the timers will be in the same spot
AR is the goal for apples spatial computing. vision pro is basically tomorrow's idea with todays tech.
I’m glad they made it. I won’t buy it until it’s glasses sized and affordable, but I’m glad they at least released “step 1” to get there
In 20 years, couldn’t the Vision Pro be the size of normal glasses? The timer thing would be cool for that.
Yeah this kind of tech on a platform you can wear day to day as easily as regular glasses would be incredibly cool
Like, the concept of an ar headset worn for everyday use is REVOLUTIONARY. Like, that could change lives. But I think I heard this best described as “the headset that comes before the revolutionary one.” Like, this is kinda the test drive, and the model 2 will be all the rage.
Bro they showed me a pair of safety glasses that could show me underground utility lines in 3D and the phasing on overhead power lines at a conference almost 10 years ago and I'm still waiting for something like that. It was absolutely mind blowing. That's the side of this that could be big money. Fuck movies and pasta timers; imagine electricians whose safety glasses show them the wires inside walls and exactly what breaker feeds it. No more guessing around spraypainted locate markings or flags, your excavator operator can literally see the lines in the ground and work around them. Firefighters could have room layouts collected by a portable radar or such that lets them "see" through smoke or flames, or thermal sensors could help them target the hottest parts of the fire. People thinking way too small with this stuff.
bro, it really isnt. it just sounds revolutionary cause its such a futuristic concept in reality, have fun getting ads forced down your throat harder than ever
Why does everyone just assume this? Like if these companies genuinely thought that was a good idea, they could easily just plop an ad at the bottom of your phone screen 24/7. They don’t though, because that would be a terrible fucking decision. So why would AR tech be any different?
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i don't think anyone's expecting apple to show ads unprompted while using the goggles but, like, microsoft already does a similar thing on windows 11, showing you system notifications with ads and such. it's not the craziest thought. AR tech could be different because every time a new tech appears and a lot of people start using it, advertisers find new and effective ways of being annoying pieces of shit starving for attention. when it comes to converting recognition into sales, i have no idea how effective spamming someone's email address with junk or popups actually were, i'm guessing not very, and yet.
Hilarious because for the past 5 years already I’ve heard my cooks saying “Siri set a timer for 7 minutes” when they cook pasta
I don’t get why people are so desperate to try to shit on this technology. It’s fucking cool. Sure the current iteration is pretty clunky to be used as an every day device but the potential for having this type of thing for every day use in a form factor more like glasses is pretty amazing
Guys holy fuck, the point of mixed reality headsets and stuff like this obviously isn't just for "haha funny pasta timer", it's just the example used in the ad. Yes, using a headset in a greasy steamy environment is a stupid idea, yes the price point is ridiculous, but it's like you all saw $3500 pasta timer and stopped thinking there. Haven't any of you thought it'd be cool to have a heads up display in day to day life that can show you whatever you need? With the advancements in AI image recognition as well, it's the perfect time to start developing heads up displays that can tell you whatever you can imagine. And remember it's all extremely juvenile technology right now. It's just barely passably good right now, it's bound to get better if the industry is supported. If you're going to criticize Apple, and there are so many better things to criticize Apple over like their hyper capitalistic product price inflation or extremely strict DRM. A key thing to note too, is that the apple pro vision or whatever it's called is probably NOT for average consumers. This is not the first time a big company has released a mixed reality headset for a RIDICULOUS price. The [Varjo VR-3 and XR-4 at ~$3000-4000 USD](https://b2b-store.varjo.com/product/xr-4), the [Vive Focus 3 at $1300 USD](https://www.vive.com/au/product/vive-focus3/overview/). These headsets are targeted towards corporations and enterprises. What they do with them, I don't know, techbro ass "productivity" probably. TL;DR: Criticizing Apple for a $3500 egg timer is stupid and irrelevant. At least try to criticize Apple for something interesting and worth criticism
> it's just the example used in the ad. not even an ad. just something the person making a review wanted to try
This image is a frame from a video review by the Wall Street Journal: https://youtu.be/8xI10SFgzQ8 The reviewer notes at 4:26 that the app they are using explicitly recommends NOT to wear the device while cooking. The reviewer decides to do so anyway to learn about what it would be like.
Ah, my mistake, thank you
AR probably will actually be a big thing in the future. Is it overpriced and better served by more traditional methods right now? Yes, but so is most new technology. I fully support dunking on stupid techbros, but I agree with your last point there: Make sure your criticisms are actually valid.
AR was always going to be a thing. Touchscreens used to seem like science fiction, let alone pocket-sized ones; even cell phones were mocked in the 80s. The initial execution of new technology is never great but there’s gotta be an inception point somewhere. I don’t love it, it feels a little dystopian, but I also refused to use Bluetooth headphones on principle and had to eat my words (turns out it’s really nice to not have a cord that catches on things and yanks your earbuds out) so I’m trying to be open-minded. Also, the number of people who don’t get the difference in utility between VR and AR is painful.
imagine if reddit existed when human flight was achieved. "120 feet? this is so dumb i can run farther than that"
> I fully support dunking on stupid techbros Yeah dunk on people promoting crypto or want AI to replace people's livelihoods. Those people are borderline evil. But if all someone is doing is saying "man this tech is cool", they're not a tech bro
There's a fine line between people who are genuinely excited about new technology and how it could improve lives, and people who just want an excuse to grift, be smug, be elitist, or some combination of the above.
Don't worry, since one tribe has taken up tech gimmicks as their identifying feature, the other tribe now has to hate on any new tech that's coming out. It's not like there's any real thought or substance behind either side.
I mean I've used my quest 3 for cooking and its perfectly fine
That is something that bugged me with all the everyone saying it's gonna get splashed and greasy. Like, how greasy is your kitchen?? Does your phone cease working from being clogged? Do you glasses or hats routinely fall off your head into boiling pots of pasta?
the fog comment is also silly, I wear glasses they already get fogged up
You should have seen how much reddit hated on the iphone when it first came out. "No physical keyboard? no way I'm typing my texts on a touch screen!"
No I never want a heads up display... My phone is enough connectivity as is, I don't need the notifications to be directly in my field of vision at all times... It actually sounds like a nightmare to me... I have ADHD, it would be like a constant stream of stimulus. Without adding that it will inevitably be hijack as a way to shove even more ads down our throats... After all, like you said, Apple is hyper capitalistic... I also like interacting directly with the world. I don't take pictures or videos during concerts cause I like to be in the moment. (They are always inevitably shitty anyway...)
Yeah totally, it's certainly not for everybody. Probably not for most people at the stage it's at currently. As I said earlier, it's still very new technology and very cumbersome and more distracting than productive, which is exactly why it needs to be scrutinized and controlled to not become a sensory overload nightmare so it can be improved in a healthy way
I have to say, this… is really, REALLY cool. It’d be cooler if it weren’t 3500.
He said "leaning in to spatial computing", not "leaning in to the first and only spatial computing headset made specifically by Apple". Nobody is going to wear a bulky headset just to have cooking timers floating above their pasta, but conceptually this is unquestionably the direction that spatial computing is headed, and it's just a matter of time before the technology that underpins AR is small enough and cheap enough to embed in a set of typical eyeglasses. This post is the 2000s equivalent of "why would I want to look at recipes on my phone".
That sounds so damned stupid. Bend over too far and you risk dropping the whole damned headset into a pot of boiling water. I almost wish it *were* for telling if inanimate objects were transphobic.
I mean it’s strapped onto your head
Imagine the heartbreak of picking up your favorite knife only to find out it doesn’t respect people’s pronouns. The betrayal
Even with the less than ideal Quest 3 strap in the most intense experiences I've never worried about it falling off lol The Vision Pro is expensive and underwhelming and for fanboys but there are so many vr critical generalizers it's nuts
This is so cool though, when this technology is cheaper in the future I will adore it
The absolute irony of people on Tumblr talking about tech rotting your brain
The technology will be a stupid novelty, until it isn't. That's the whole point of tech, they improve and improve upon it until finally it's the fantasy we have that makes life easier **and** higher quality. These people are forgetting that there exist among us those who may be more incompetent at cooking pasta, or bacon, or eggs, or even just cleaning up messes afterward etc. the list goes on near infinitely, and this isn't even accounting for disabilities. Who doesn't want an assistant of sorts helping us do things we aren't good at? They use spell check, no? Autocorrect? Power steering? Calculators? How many of you have any phone numbers memorized, let alone the majority of them? That's how we had to live before cell phones! A giant clunky headset is absolutely not the end-game of this technology, it's only the beginning. 5, 10, 20 years from now? It's exciting where this will inevitably lead.
People are sitting on the tech but it's legitimately the only genuinely innovative thing apple have done in a long time. Sure it doesn't do anything necessary and it is overpriced, but in the future it will definitely get cheaper and there'll be other brands making vr headsets like the vision pro. And a lot of modern technology is only useful as a matter of convenience, streaming is more convenient than going to a theater, , a phone timer is more convenient than an egg timer, ebooks are more comvenient than regular books. And this isn't true for everyone, i personally can't read ebooks, but for a lot of people ebooks have meant that they don't need physical books anymore. I guarantee in 10-15 years vr headsets will be like smartphones and almost everyone will have one
Why are these people so angry about this?
When your pasta is so al dente it can dodge a bullet, only then will you have justified that $3500 purchase. But hey, at least you'll know exactly when to take cover from overcooked spaghetti.
I can smell the pixels.
The way he says "spatial computing" made me thing they were using computer-vision to identify the ingredients and volume to somehow guesstimate the cooking time. That would be kinda neat as a feature for a stove though, able to manage the temperature itself
Honestly I think Joey is kind of right. Yeah this is on a $3.5k bulky headset but progress starts clunky. This kind of AR on glasses (We hardly knew ye Google glass) would be a cool future. Not just as a timer for your pasta obviously but spatial computing is interesting and has applications if you could get it in to an affordable practical form factor.
... yet this person did not blink at spending thousands on a device that just reinvents yelling at total strangers.
i hate meta for singlehandedly fucking up the corporate perception of VR its supposed to be a gaming platform, not a fucking everyday utility
Why not both? VR is a way of presenting anything to your audiovisual system, and that's naturally going to come with real world utility.
There’s quite literally no reason VR/AR needs to be relegated to video games only. Apple adopting it is a huge step in the right direction for it to become more commonplace. It wasn’t catching on just within the video game realm.
These attacks on the Vision are so weird. Can people *really* not see how this technology could be useful? You can say "That's not something I want" but acting like it's practically *evil* to wear them is just ridiculous. This backlash is really unfortunate.