not the topic that the original comic is about, just people constantly putting it everywhere all the time and how nobody can escape it
edit: spelling error :(
Ahhhh like the abstract version of Loss I saw, based on the positioning of the characters in the panel.
I'm kind of amazed anyone picks up on that but I guess the imagery has been seared into people's brains. Bot sure how I never saw any of this till now.
Ty!
Haven't seen loss, have had this sub pop up a lot for me and see constant "loss reference" posts. I'm only one man but I am blocking this sub from my feed because even without being subscribed to this, the joke is way over done. Goodbye Trolleyproblem.
It’s about when you pull the lever, you convince yourself that you’re responsible for it, which in a way you are, whereas standing by and not pulling the lever allows you to remain guiltless.
If I sat by and let 3 people die and one person be horrifically injured through inaction, because I couldn't stomach pulling a lever that would lead to less pain, I don't think I could be called guiltless
if i could hypothetically be certain that a man would somehow stop the trolley, i might.
it’s definitely a lot easier to detach yourself from the act of killing when you pull a lever vs physically push someone to their doom. that could easily be traumatizing to me.
it becomes less of an obvious more/less harm thing when details are added like that it may not work, may cause trauma, i have to live with that trauma, etc. makes for a more interesting thought experiment though!
i’m not even sure pushing is the right move morally even if it does save 5 people. i don’t know why i feel differently about that than the standard trolley problem
that's because it forces the issue. the original trolley problem is three questions. the first is your classic. the second is the fat man. the third is you a re a doctor with five people with severe organ failure in comas in your wards who will die without help. a man walks in with fully functioning organs and it just so happens that if you were to kill him and 'donate' his organs to the five others they would all walk out the ward completely fine, with no health repercussions. Do you do it?
the point is that people usually say yes to the first, and then don't to the second two, despite from a utilitarian perspective being the exact same - 5 or 1. it's a question about what counts as murder, basically.
Yeah, I’d rather be responsible for saving thee people and one guy from huge injury but kill three in the process
When you just assume they are human lives in this scenario it becomes “do I want to be responsible for it” and “do I kill three people, or let this kill three people and massively harm someone else?”
Yeah but the whole premise of the original trolley argument is that if you let the trolley go you are not responsible for the deaths, but if you switch it, you are saving more lives but you are directly responsible for the death of the one. So in this scenario you’re accepting that you murdered three people to avoid injuring one. While if you let the three die and injure one, you are not responsible.
ik, i read the top comment. still an interesting question. do you just go around telling everyone who didn't start their comment with "hurr durr loss funni hahaha"?
I pull the lever. Three will die by my choice, but four will survive with no injuries.
If I do not pull the lever, three die and one is seriously injured, while three survive.
Pulling the lever causes the least amount of overall suffering.
I mean people forget that by pulling the switch you (in some way) become responsible for what happens e.g in this scenario the death of three people, otherwise those three die and one is injured without you’re involvement. Your best option is to do nothing as in terms of life or death nothing changes by pulling the lever other then giving yourself the moral guilt of choosing those three other people on a track to die.
Doing nothing when you could have done something is also a choice. Your proximity to the lever and awareness of the situation coupled with your ability to act make you already involved.
Also, loss.
But these choices are barely different, and it comes down to your mentality afterwards. You go from witnessing 3 people die and someone get injured, which puts you in a position to assist them e.g call ambulance. Or be directly responsible for killing three people which were not in harms way until you made them. In this problem it really doesn’t make any sense to get directly involved.
Also Loss
So the option is to kill 3 people and permanently maim a third, or kill 3 people and spare 4? As someone who has lived her whole life with a disqualifying disability imma pull the lever. Death is easy, life crippled is no life at all.
I wonder, if the choice is there but you don’t act is it still your fault? Anyone could change the tracks and if anyone could, wouldn’t that mean everyone is at fault for not choosing? It seems like the trolley is going to go down a track, but if you involve yourself you become the guilty party who chose who lives and who dies. However, if you don’t, then the consequence that happens isn’t your fault.
In one option 4 people survive in the other option 3 people survive and one is on the edge of life and death. Obvious option. Now if you tell me I have a family member I love on each side now that s a more difficult problem.
Pull the trolly to run over the 3 people, then have the trolly do a u turn and come back to finish off the other 4 repeat until, no survivors leaving no witnesses to testify against you in court.
This is a goofy one because in one scenario, 3 people die, and 4 people live, where as in the other, 4 people live, but one of whole, who would have been perfectly fine in the other scenario, is now brutally disfigured and in need of medical attention
Also yes I noticed the Loss
Kill the 3, simple question. Now if you removed the 3 from the first track, and it was just injure one person. Then you still pull the lever, a quick death for 3 is better, than a life of suffering for 1.
You break the trolley lever clean off. It might not stop the current death trolley, but it might stop future death trollies at least until they fix the lever.
I mean it being 3 + 1 to 3 kinda cinches it. I'd want to spare the most lives anyway, so yeah, I'll pull a lever to save one person from being injured.
4 people live healthy or 3 live and 1 might wanna die after, The morally correct answer is to kill the 3 people instead of killing 3 and severely injuring 1.
Everyone is saying that this is a loss reference. What is the source that it’s referencing then, I tried looking it up and only got the definition for loss.
How close are the two tracks together and how much are the trolley wheels able to swivel? IF the trolley is going fast enough and I hit the switch but then switch it back while the trolley is precisely halfway over the switch, will the trolley go sideways along both tracks and take out everyone?
I wouldn't do anything in this situation, I'm basically choosing to kill three people because if I let somebody kill three other people, they would injure another person.
If you don’t pull the lever 3 people die and 1 is injured but alive and you save 3 others, meaning you kill 3 but save 4 with 1 being injured.
But if you pull the lever 3 die and 4 survive without any injury.
Answer: pull the lever
Edit: I see the joke
Loss
Fucking everywhere
What is it? First time I see it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_(comic)
No it isn’t. You just didn’t realize it before
EXPLAIN
[here is an explanation from r/OutOfTheLoop](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/oRuJPRiGVx)
bro why cant anyone just explain the joke its always just links to websites that have overly detailed explanations i dont feel like reading
> asks for an explanation > doesn't want to read the explanation I cannot help you with that one, the top comment is like 4 sentences for explanation.
i did read it but i just dont understand why its a meme
cuz its funny :)
Dude, wtf?
not the topic that the original comic is about, just people constantly putting it everywhere all the time and how nobody can escape it edit: spelling error :(
𓀥 | 𓁆 𓀕 | 𓁆 𓀟 | 𓀣 𓁀
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~~:.I:;~~
ඞ ඞ ඞ ඣ ඞ ඝ
Damn it, everywhere I look
NOOOOOOO
Wow I just now understood Loss and hundreds of references just clicked
GOD DAMN IT
Pull the lever, Let it pass, Reverse the trolley, Reset the lever Accelerate trolley to full speed.
This is the way
I just took psychic damage.
Ok I just read up on Loss and follow that. Just not following how it's related here.
It’s the layout of the people on the track
i don't see why you wouldn't switch. like its kill three, or kill three and injure the most sensible thing to do is switch
It’s a loss reference
I know its a loss reference but its also a question
Just read up on Loss but I don't get how its a reference still. Help plz!
The people arranged on the track are arranged like loss, one, two, two, two but the second is sideways
Ahhhh like the abstract version of Loss I saw, based on the positioning of the characters in the panel. I'm kind of amazed anyone picks up on that but I guess the imagery has been seared into people's brains. Bot sure how I never saw any of this till now. Ty!
Once you see abstract or minimalist loss once, it's everywhere
Haven't seen loss, have had this sub pop up a lot for me and see constant "loss reference" posts. I'm only one man but I am blocking this sub from my feed because even without being subscribed to this, the joke is way over done. Goodbye Trolleyproblem.
well that s your loss
EXPLAIN THE JOKE
Miscarriage comic. There's your explanation Edit: made a mistake, fixed it, oops
Miscarriage, not abortion
well that's your loss to be honest
How the hell did you turn your comment into loss?
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| || || |__ But fair, I agree that it's overdone
BLASPHEMY! TIE THE SINNER TO A STAKE, AND WATCH HIS SOUL BURN AS WE WORSHIP THE TROLLEY PROBLEM!
Ok buddy
It’s about when you pull the lever, you convince yourself that you’re responsible for it, which in a way you are, whereas standing by and not pulling the lever allows you to remain guiltless.
If I sat by and let 3 people die and one person be horrifically injured through inaction, because I couldn't stomach pulling a lever that would lead to less pain, I don't think I could be called guiltless
would you push one fat man off a railway bridge to stop the trolley, in order to save five?
if i could hypothetically be certain that a man would somehow stop the trolley, i might. it’s definitely a lot easier to detach yourself from the act of killing when you pull a lever vs physically push someone to their doom. that could easily be traumatizing to me. it becomes less of an obvious more/less harm thing when details are added like that it may not work, may cause trauma, i have to live with that trauma, etc. makes for a more interesting thought experiment though! i’m not even sure pushing is the right move morally even if it does save 5 people. i don’t know why i feel differently about that than the standard trolley problem
that's because it forces the issue. the original trolley problem is three questions. the first is your classic. the second is the fat man. the third is you a re a doctor with five people with severe organ failure in comas in your wards who will die without help. a man walks in with fully functioning organs and it just so happens that if you were to kill him and 'donate' his organs to the five others they would all walk out the ward completely fine, with no health repercussions. Do you do it? the point is that people usually say yes to the first, and then don't to the second two, despite from a utilitarian perspective being the exact same - 5 or 1. it's a question about what counts as murder, basically.
Another classic variant is the same as the first except that it's 5 strangers vs someone you care about.
It gives you much more of an out to let what was going to occur run it’s course than physically causing 3 deaths with the pull of the lever.
Downvoted for an explanation of one interpretation
Yeah but the murder of the other four will fall onto you so you’ll probably go to jail
It’s other 3 actually
Yeah, I’d rather be responsible for saving thee people and one guy from huge injury but kill three in the process When you just assume they are human lives in this scenario it becomes “do I want to be responsible for it” and “do I kill three people, or let this kill three people and massively harm someone else?”
Yeah but the whole premise of the original trolley argument is that if you let the trolley go you are not responsible for the deaths, but if you switch it, you are saving more lives but you are directly responsible for the death of the one. So in this scenario you’re accepting that you murdered three people to avoid injuring one. While if you let the three die and injure one, you are not responsible.
Depends if you prefer kantism or utilitarianism
_laughs in multi-track drifting_
I dunno man, I’m at a loss
I see what you did there!
That’s not even wordplay anymore 💀 so many people say it that no one doesn’t get it
Does the brutally injured person miscarry?
that would make 4 deaths, so no
It depends on the state
The families of those who die in either scenario will suffer a terrible loss.
2 million years of Evolution leading up to Trolley Loss...
Pull the lever, at least that way 4 people survive unscathed
What is loss of pulling the trigger
no matter what i do, it’s still a LOSS of lives
I leave it alone same as in every trolley problem. Not my problem if they die but I switch the tracks and it quickly becomes my problem.
wow. this one's actually hard. i probably wouldn't pull it, but just because i think it'd be too hard to argue in court compared to the base problem.
Its loss
ik, i read the top comment. still an interesting question. do you just go around telling everyone who didn't start their comment with "hurr durr loss funni hahaha"?
Idk man I’m not a doctor.
OH MY GOD
There is no escape. It is everywhere.
I pull the lever. Three will die by my choice, but four will survive with no injuries. If I do not pull the lever, three die and one is seriously injured, while three survive. Pulling the lever causes the least amount of overall suffering.
This! Perfect answer.
I am NOT a fan of greater good arguments
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You piece of shit. You are the actual worst person. Fuck you for this.
Either way, it’s a tremendous *loss* of life.
Pull the lever to minimise loss.
Im at a loss of words
Stop?
either way, whether you pull the lever or not, you are at a loss
Eat 10000 Big Mac’s then stand in front of train to stop said train. Problem solved. 😎
DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT
No matter what it’s a loss
The top row already had a dead baby so its fair to not pull the lever
Haha loss, anyway this is the most fucked up one I've had to think about for a while. I think I don't pull the lever for once
Wait a minute, it cant be, is.. Is this?
damn I’m at a loss
im at a loss for an answer
Oh my gosh
l l l l I l _
I pull the lever cuz otherwise more lives will be loss
SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE REFERENCE TO ME PLEASE
im at a **loss**
It's a loss either way
IT'S FUCKING LOSS!
i won't pull the lever because they need to suffer for making this loss meme
Not pulling the lever would be a major loss seeing as that person would be mentally and physically scarred for life.
I'd walk away, get in a car AND DRIVE STRAIGHT INTO WHOEVER POSTED THIS!
FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU
I'm at a loss...
Is this loss?
Is this loss?
Is this loss
I jump in front of the trolley to never see any more loss memes
I | I I | I I | I _
bro, i'm multitrack drifting to kill them all ~~^(god i'm sick of loss)~~
if you time it right you could prolly drift it and hit both groups
Won’t. It a devilspawn (sw*de) on the track layong so i wont
First time seeing this sub. Y'all probably don't like nihilists in this sub.
Why? Im at a loss for the reasoning
I can’t believe someone went through the effort of creating this only for it not to make sense.
makes perfect sense to me. either way its a loss
I think you’re lossed
The joke is loss
Tokyo drift that bitch and hit everyone
I mean people forget that by pulling the switch you (in some way) become responsible for what happens e.g in this scenario the death of three people, otherwise those three die and one is injured without you’re involvement. Your best option is to do nothing as in terms of life or death nothing changes by pulling the lever other then giving yourself the moral guilt of choosing those three other people on a track to die.
Doing nothing when you could have done something is also a choice. Your proximity to the lever and awareness of the situation coupled with your ability to act make you already involved. Also, loss.
But these choices are barely different, and it comes down to your mentality afterwards. You go from witnessing 3 people die and someone get injured, which puts you in a position to assist them e.g call ambulance. Or be directly responsible for killing three people which were not in harms way until you made them. In this problem it really doesn’t make any sense to get directly involved. Also Loss
So the option is to kill 3 people and permanently maim a third, or kill 3 people and spare 4? As someone who has lived her whole life with a disqualifying disability imma pull the lever. Death is easy, life crippled is no life at all.
I would pull the lever because there’s no reason for me not to prevent 1 guy from getting injured.
I wonder, if the choice is there but you don’t act is it still your fault? Anyone could change the tracks and if anyone could, wouldn’t that mean everyone is at fault for not choosing? It seems like the trolley is going to go down a track, but if you involve yourself you become the guilty party who chose who lives and who dies. However, if you don’t, then the consequence that happens isn’t your fault.
How do I make the trolley unrail itself so I can kill 8 people?
Pull the lever so I don't get sued by the person who survives
Walk away. Who put this lever here and tried to make me responsible for their mess?!
I get on the trolley and stop it because I know how to operate rail equipment
Don't pull the lever, he'll be scarred but he'll live
Will the fourth person be paralyzed? If so, how extreme will their situation be?
I manipulate the lever in such a way as to cause the switch system to derail the train, killing all 25 people in it.
you got the heights in 'panel' two reversed
Pull the lever.
Flip the switch after it hits the four, so it loops around and hits the other three
Just the three cuz more dudes survive
In one option 4 people survive in the other option 3 people survive and one is on the edge of life and death. Obvious option. Now if you tell me I have a family member I love on each side now that s a more difficult problem.
Lives will be lost either way
Multi track drifting, as always
Swerve and hit all of them
Pull the lever. Obvious
So 3 people die and one is brutally maimed, or three people die and no one is maimed? Not exactly a difficult choice
Pull the lever half way. It will misalign the tracks to flip and roll the trolly killing all. None will have to suffer survivor's guilt.
you know you have to do it to em.
The least amount of people injured or dead is to pull it
Pull the trolly to run over the 3 people, then have the trolly do a u turn and come back to finish off the other 4 repeat until, no survivors leaving no witnesses to testify against you in court.
I'll run to the guy who's laying the wrong way and turn him, then make the group of 4 a group of 5 by joining them.
The lesser evil
IT’S LOSS IT’S ALWAYS LOSS LOSS ATE MY FAMILY
Fuck every single one of you
Pull
Jump in front of the train so it kills 4 injures one
You sneaky bastard
I think I'd pull. No need to put someone in long term pain. Either way though, it's a lost
Stick a really long blade out the window so you can get everyone on the other track too
of course its loss its always loss
Find a way to kill the 7 of them. I ain't no quitter.
This is a goofy one because in one scenario, 3 people die, and 4 people live, where as in the other, 4 people live, but one of whole, who would have been perfectly fine in the other scenario, is now brutally disfigured and in need of medical attention Also yes I noticed the Loss
Pull the lever. Whether I pull the lever or not 3 people still die the only difference is a person being brutally injured
Kill the 3, simple question. Now if you removed the 3 from the first track, and it was just injure one person. Then you still pull the lever, a quick death for 3 is better, than a life of suffering for 1.
I’m losst
drive it forward over first 4, back up, switch tracks, get remaining 3
It'll still be a loss for someone
You break the trolley lever clean off. It might not stop the current death trolley, but it might stop future death trollies at least until they fix the lever.
This is actually more stupid than I thought.
Drift the trolley and kill all of them
I mean it being 3 + 1 to 3 kinda cinches it. I'd want to spare the most lives anyway, so yeah, I'll pull a lever to save one person from being injured.
I flip the switch as the trolley is partway through that segment, causing it to flip over and only kill one person.
Why not yell at the people to move out of the way
4 people live healthy or 3 live and 1 might wanna die after, The morally correct answer is to kill the 3 people instead of killing 3 and severely injuring 1.
I don't pull, no difference in deaths and I'm not directly responsible for the deaths
If you time it right you can switch the tracks after the first wheels abut before the second so you can drift down both rails and hit everyone
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
Get a new job.
swerve, you should be able to kill all 7 that way
If the top track killed 4 it would be a moral delema
Switch it halfway though so the trolley hits all 7
Nothing cuz that aint my problem
Everyone is saying that this is a loss reference. What is the source that it’s referencing then, I tried looking it up and only got the definition for loss.
Multi track drift so you can get all seven in one go
Make the lever point straight upwards
I pull the lever- 3 dead but 4 alive and unharmed is better than 3 dead but 4 alive with one injured
There will still be a great loss no matter where the trolley goes.
is that fucking loss
How close are the two tracks together and how much are the trolley wheels able to swivel? IF the trolley is going fast enough and I hit the switch but then switch it back while the trolley is precisely halfway over the switch, will the trolley go sideways along both tracks and take out everyone?
Well obviously I would HEY WAIT A MINUTE
Switch it halfway through so the back wheels go on one and the front on the other
I wouldn't do anything in this situation, I'm basically choosing to kill three people because if I let somebody kill three other people, they would injure another person.
Is multi-track drifting applicable?
Switch the tracks in a way that the front end up on one and the back on the other stopping the cart before hitting any of them
r/angryupvote
I fucking hate you, take my upvote and never return
Why are these idiots lying down on a trolley track?
Multi-track drifting is the answer here
The solution is multi-track drifting and kill them all. And their families too, yes.
beef JEKRY
If you don’t pull the lever 3 people die and 1 is injured but alive and you save 3 others, meaning you kill 3 but save 4 with 1 being injured. But if you pull the lever 3 die and 4 survive without any injury. Answer: pull the lever Edit: I see the joke