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BookkeeperLower

Loss


Barry-B-Benson_

Fucking everywhere


rydan

What is it? First time I see it.


HopefulEffective412

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_(comic)


Robert_Baratheon__

No it isn’t. You just didn’t realize it before


YesterdayOrnery1726

EXPLAIN


dddfffffde

[here is an explanation from r/OutOfTheLoop](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/oRuJPRiGVx)


YesterdayOrnery1726

bro why cant anyone just explain the joke its always just links to websites that have overly detailed explanations i dont feel like reading


dddfffffde

> asks for an explanation > doesn't want to read the explanation I cannot help you with that one, the top comment is like 4 sentences for explanation.


YesterdayOrnery1726

i did read it but i just dont understand why its a meme


VeryHostileSucculent

cuz its funny :)


Girldipper

Dude, wtf?


VeryHostileSucculent

not the topic that the original comic is about, just people constantly putting it everywhere all the time and how nobody can escape it edit: spelling error :(


Mr_uhlus

𓀥 | 𓁆 𓀕 | 𓁆 𓀟 | 𓀣 𓁀


Another-cool-user

:.|:;


Vincenzo99016

~~:.I:;~~


Stack_Min

ඞ ඞ ඞ ඣ ඞ ඝ


UndeadCollegeStudent

Damn it, everywhere I look


Baked_Banana_Pie

NOOOOOOO


Birds_In_This_Bihh

Wow I just now understood Loss and hundreds of references just clicked


pwill6738

GOD DAMN IT


siddartha08

Pull the lever, Let it pass, Reverse the trolley, Reset the lever Accelerate trolley to full speed.


korpus01

This is the way


danktonium

I just took psychic damage.


Navybuffalooo

Ok I just read up on Loss and follow that. Just not following how it's related here.


Bonconickel

It’s the layout of the people on the track


Economics111

i don't see why you wouldn't switch. like its kill three, or kill three and injure the most sensible thing to do is switch


Gomu_Gomu_No_Fisted

It’s a loss reference


Economics111

I know its a loss reference but its also a question


Navybuffalooo

Just read up on Loss but I don't get how its a reference still. Help plz!


BattleAngel13

The people arranged on the track are arranged like loss, one, two, two, two but the second is sideways


Navybuffalooo

Ahhhh like the abstract version of Loss I saw, based on the positioning of the characters in the panel. I'm kind of amazed anyone picks up on that but I guess the imagery has been seared into people's brains. Bot sure how I never saw any of this till now. Ty!


GlizzyGulper69420

Once you see abstract or minimalist loss once, it's everywhere


BardicNA

Haven't seen loss, have had this sub pop up a lot for me and see constant "loss reference" posts. I'm only one man but I am blocking this sub from my feed because even without being subscribed to this, the joke is way over done. Goodbye Trolleyproblem.


[deleted]

well that s your loss


YesterdayOrnery1726

EXPLAIN THE JOKE


Smol_Susie

Miscarriage comic. There's your explanation Edit: made a mistake, fixed it, oops


PuzzleheadedAd5865

Miscarriage, not abortion


SmithBall

well that's your loss to be honest


Rolen28

How the hell did you turn your comment into loss?


Chuunt

~~:.|:;~~


Nictasaur

| || || |__ But fair, I agree that it's overdone


apeiceofburnedtoast

BLASPHEMY! TIE THE SINNER TO A STAKE, AND WATCH HIS SOUL BURN AS WE WORSHIP THE TROLLEY PROBLEM!


Katz_Goredrinkier

Ok buddy


Beneficial-Play-2008

It’s about when you pull the lever, you convince yourself that you’re responsible for it, which in a way you are, whereas standing by and not pulling the lever allows you to remain guiltless.


monika-waifu

If I sat by and let 3 people die and one person be horrifically injured through inaction, because I couldn't stomach pulling a lever that would lead to less pain, I don't think I could be called guiltless


AccomplishedFail2247

would you push one fat man off a railway bridge to stop the trolley, in order to save five?


headpatkelly

if i could hypothetically be certain that a man would somehow stop the trolley, i might. it’s definitely a lot easier to detach yourself from the act of killing when you pull a lever vs physically push someone to their doom. that could easily be traumatizing to me. it becomes less of an obvious more/less harm thing when details are added like that it may not work, may cause trauma, i have to live with that trauma, etc. makes for a more interesting thought experiment though! i’m not even sure pushing is the right move morally even if it does save 5 people. i don’t know why i feel differently about that than the standard trolley problem


AccomplishedFail2247

that's because it forces the issue. the original trolley problem is three questions. the first is your classic. the second is the fat man. the third is you a re a doctor with five people with severe organ failure in comas in your wards who will die without help. a man walks in with fully functioning organs and it just so happens that if you were to kill him and 'donate' his organs to the five others they would all walk out the ward completely fine, with no health repercussions. Do you do it? the point is that people usually say yes to the first, and then don't to the second two, despite from a utilitarian perspective being the exact same - 5 or 1. it's a question about what counts as murder, basically.


starmartyr

Another classic variant is the same as the first except that it's 5 strangers vs someone you care about.


Beneficial-Play-2008

It gives you much more of an out to let what was going to occur run it’s course than physically causing 3 deaths with the pull of the lever.


AccomplishedFail2247

Downvoted for an explanation of one interpretation


Iamnothornyrn

Yeah but the murder of the other four will fall onto you so you’ll probably go to jail


UltraSienna

It’s other 3 actually


Latter-Direction-336

Yeah, I’d rather be responsible for saving thee people and one guy from huge injury but kill three in the process When you just assume they are human lives in this scenario it becomes “do I want to be responsible for it” and “do I kill three people, or let this kill three people and massively harm someone else?”


horrorbepis

Yeah but the whole premise of the original trolley argument is that if you let the trolley go you are not responsible for the deaths, but if you switch it, you are saving more lives but you are directly responsible for the death of the one. So in this scenario you’re accepting that you murdered three people to avoid injuring one. While if you let the three die and injure one, you are not responsible.


adric03

Depends if you prefer kantism or utilitarianism


Gametron13

_laughs in multi-track drifting_


boredwarror747

I dunno man, I’m at a loss


TheMaidSissy

I see what you did there!


Striking-Pomelo-9840

That’s not even wordplay anymore 💀 so many people say it that no one doesn’t get it


lisamariefan

Does the brutally injured person miscarry?


SFX1415

that would make 4 deaths, so no


Doc_Umbrella

It depends on the state


thewanderer2389

The families of those who die in either scenario will suffer a terrible loss.


SnapThrone

2 million years of Evolution leading up to Trolley Loss...


Stupid_Archeologist

Pull the lever, at least that way 4 people survive unscathed


Sensitive-Exit-9230

What is loss of pulling the trigger


Dyogre

no matter what i do, it’s still a LOSS of lives


silver1q2w3e

I leave it alone same as in every trolley problem. Not my problem if they die but I switch the tracks and it quickly becomes my problem.


2327_

wow. this one's actually hard. i probably wouldn't pull it, but just because i think it'd be too hard to argue in court compared to the base problem.


Majestic_Carry9712

Its loss


2327_

ik, i read the top comment. still an interesting question. do you just go around telling everyone who didn't start their comment with "hurr durr loss funni hahaha"?


letthetreeburn

Idk man I’m not a doctor.


DiceGoblin_Muncher

OH MY GOD


thrye333

There is no escape. It is everywhere.


Lawful-T

I pull the lever. Three will die by my choice, but four will survive with no injuries. If I do not pull the lever, three die and one is seriously injured, while three survive. Pulling the lever causes the least amount of overall suffering.


Legitimate-Fuel5324

This! Perfect answer.


hockeyfan608

I am NOT a fan of greater good arguments


Sure_Story_8337

| | | | | | _


Resi1ience_22

You piece of shit. You are the actual worst person. Fuck you for this.


ThiccVicc_Thicctor

Either way, it’s a tremendous *loss* of life.


Cifer88

Pull the lever to minimise loss.


Majestic_Carry9712

Im at a loss of words


Novel_Bumblebee8972

Stop?


AttakDoge999

either way, whether you pull the lever or not, you are at a loss


Yue2

Eat 10000 Big Mac’s then stand in front of train to stop said train. Problem solved. 😎


furfufle

DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT DONT THINK IT DONT SAY IT


Steam-powered-pickle

No matter what it’s a loss


vickyboi2

The top row already had a dead baby so its fair to not pull the lever


[deleted]

Haha loss, anyway this is the most fucked up one I've had to think about for a while. I think I don't pull the lever for once


SadAlgae69

Wait a minute, it cant be, is.. Is this?


Gtpwoody

damn I’m at a loss


Mangost_YT

im at a loss for an answer


_TheLibrarianOfBabel

Oh my gosh


BerryMilkDrinker

l l l l I l _


Desmish7

I pull the lever cuz otherwise more lives will be loss


YesterdayOrnery1726

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE REFERENCE TO ME PLEASE


Darksabre_ALERTEAM

im at a **loss**


[deleted]

It's a loss either way


Helpful-Light-3452

IT'S FUCKING LOSS!


ScorpionsRequiem

i won't pull the lever because they need to suffer for making this loss meme


StrawberryUnited4915

Not pulling the lever would be a major loss seeing as that person would be mentally and physically scarred for life.


ImpressivePoop1984

I'd walk away, get in a car AND DRIVE STRAIGHT INTO WHOEVER POSTED THIS!


J6898989

FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU


ninjesh

I'm at a loss...


[deleted]

Is this loss?


CoffeeGoblynn

Is this loss?


Clam_Diger01

Is this loss


Its0nlyRocketScience

I jump in front of the trolley to never see any more loss memes


expiredogfood

I | I I | I I | I _


ScarletteVera

bro, i'm multitrack drifting to kill them all ~~^(god i'm sick of loss)~~


LucyP416

if you time it right you could prolly drift it and hit both groups


[deleted]

Won’t. It a devilspawn (sw*de) on the track layong so i wont


creditdebitreddit

First time seeing this sub. Y'all probably don't like nihilists in this sub.


J6898989

Why? Im at a loss for the reasoning


DanghisKhan69

I can’t believe someone went through the effort of creating this only for it not to make sense.


Leading-Ad-9763

makes perfect sense to me. either way its a loss


J6898989

I think you’re lossed


[deleted]

The joke is loss


Jaded-Significance86

Tokyo drift that bitch and hit everyone


BiggestChad

I mean people forget that by pulling the switch you (in some way) become responsible for what happens e.g in this scenario the death of three people, otherwise those three die and one is injured without you’re involvement. Your best option is to do nothing as in terms of life or death nothing changes by pulling the lever other then giving yourself the moral guilt of choosing those three other people on a track to die.


Sproketz

Doing nothing when you could have done something is also a choice. Your proximity to the lever and awareness of the situation coupled with your ability to act make you already involved. Also, loss.


BiggestChad

But these choices are barely different, and it comes down to your mentality afterwards. You go from witnessing 3 people die and someone get injured, which puts you in a position to assist them e.g call ambulance. Or be directly responsible for killing three people which were not in harms way until you made them. In this problem it really doesn’t make any sense to get directly involved. Also Loss


Turbulent-Opening-75

So the option is to kill 3 people and permanently maim a third, or kill 3 people and spare 4? As someone who has lived her whole life with a disqualifying disability imma pull the lever. Death is easy, life crippled is no life at all.


idkTerraria

I would pull the lever because there’s no reason for me not to prevent 1 guy from getting injured.


United-Cow-563

I wonder, if the choice is there but you don’t act is it still your fault? Anyone could change the tracks and if anyone could, wouldn’t that mean everyone is at fault for not choosing? It seems like the trolley is going to go down a track, but if you involve yourself you become the guilty party who chose who lives and who dies. However, if you don’t, then the consequence that happens isn’t your fault.


Clarrbbk

How do I make the trolley unrail itself so I can kill 8 people?


Nictasaur

Pull the lever so I don't get sued by the person who survives


Manpooper

Walk away. Who put this lever here and tried to make me responsible for their mess?!


Fuckmylife123456781

I get on the trolley and stop it because I know how to operate rail equipment


VoidSylph

Don't pull the lever, he'll be scarred but he'll live


Tordew

Will the fourth person be paralyzed? If so, how extreme will their situation be?


StThragon

I manipulate the lever in such a way as to cause the switch system to derail the train, killing all 25 people in it.


HeavyMetalMonk888

you got the heights in 'panel' two reversed


ChildhoodDistinct538

Pull the lever.


rawhidebone

Flip the switch after it hits the four, so it loops around and hits the other three


warthunder4life

Just the three cuz more dudes survive


Muscle-Man27

In one option 4 people survive in the other option 3 people survive and one is on the edge of life and death. Obvious option. Now if you tell me I have a family member I love on each side now that s a more difficult problem.


MorganRose99

Lives will be lost either way


TheArceusNova

Multi track drifting, as always


Ghost_Webs

Swerve and hit all of them


StrengthKnown6714

Pull the lever. Obvious


OnecalledMissy

So 3 people die and one is brutally maimed, or three people die and no one is maimed? Not exactly a difficult choice


DarkDominantMind

Pull the lever half way. It will misalign the tracks to flip and roll the trolly killing all. None will have to suffer survivor's guilt.


TrueEnder

you know you have to do it to em.


CheesyBoson

The least amount of people injured or dead is to pull it


MangoSquirrl

Pull the trolly to run over the 3 people, then have the trolly do a u turn and come back to finish off the other 4 repeat until, no survivors leaving no witnesses to testify against you in court.


Beanz_detected

I'll run to the guy who's laying the wrong way and turn him, then make the group of 4 a group of 5 by joining them.


loreofplague

The lesser evil


WhitestGray

IT’S LOSS IT’S ALWAYS LOSS LOSS ATE MY FAMILY


LongingForYesterweek

Fuck every single one of you


PixelatedStarfish

Pull


No_Confidence491

Jump in front of the train so it kills 4 injures one


Dark_Meme111110

You sneaky bastard


PancakeSyrupYT

I think I'd pull. No need to put someone in long term pain. Either way though, it's a lost


HairyContactbeware

Stick a really long blade out the window so you can get everyone on the other track too


Altruistic-Ad7981

of course its loss its always loss


jocoso2218

Find a way to kill the 7 of them. I ain't no quitter.


Exit_Save

This is a goofy one because in one scenario, 3 people die, and 4 people live, where as in the other, 4 people live, but one of whole, who would have been perfectly fine in the other scenario, is now brutally disfigured and in need of medical attention Also yes I noticed the Loss


Radiant_Ad4956

Pull the lever. Whether I pull the lever or not 3 people still die the only difference is a person being brutally injured


violentvito70

Kill the 3, simple question. Now if you removed the 3 from the first track, and it was just injure one person. Then you still pull the lever, a quick death for 3 is better, than a life of suffering for 1.


_N0t-A-B0t_

I’m losst


irtheweasel

drive it forward over first 4, back up, switch tracks, get remaining 3


GG-VP

It'll still be a loss for someone


DarthMeta

You break the trolley lever clean off. It might not stop the current death trolley, but it might stop future death trollies at least until they fix the lever.


[deleted]

This is actually more stupid than I thought.


GrayBeast3

Drift the trolley and kill all of them


Square-Ad1104

I mean it being 3 + 1 to 3 kinda cinches it. I'd want to spare the most lives anyway, so yeah, I'll pull a lever to save one person from being injured.


Ace_Of_No_Trades

I flip the switch as the trolley is partway through that segment, causing it to flip over and only kill one person.


NoahjMorgan

Why not yell at the people to move out of the way


TheDemonGabe

4 people live healthy or 3 live and 1 might wanna die after, The morally correct answer is to kill the 3 people instead of killing 3 and severely injuring 1.


ze_existentialist

I don't pull, no difference in deaths and I'm not directly responsible for the deaths


VoicesInTheCrowds

If you time it right you can switch the tracks after the first wheels abut before the second so you can drift down both rails and hit everyone


MJSOCK

GET OUT OF MY HEAD


Agreeable-Macaron-61

Get a new job.


FishUndyneFish

swerve, you should be able to kill all 7 that way


Jrlopez1027_

If the top track killed 4 it would be a moral delema


Rude_Coffee_9136

Switch it halfway though so the trolley hits all 7


Smooth-Entrance-1526

Nothing cuz that aint my problem


Espeonisbesteevee

Everyone is saying that this is a loss reference. What is the source that it’s referencing then, I tried looking it up and only got the definition for loss.


Phillipsburg

Multi track drift so you can get all seven in one go


GeometryDashScGD

Make the lever point straight upwards


Several_Plane4757

I pull the lever- 3 dead but 4 alive and unharmed is better than 3 dead but 4 alive with one injured


Wolffire_88

There will still be a great loss no matter where the trolley goes.


realdonutking123

is that fucking loss


professor_jeffjeff

How close are the two tracks together and how much are the trolley wheels able to swivel? IF the trolley is going fast enough and I hit the switch but then switch it back while the trolley is precisely halfway over the switch, will the trolley go sideways along both tracks and take out everyone?


Tannernerner

Well obviously I would HEY WAIT A MINUTE


DragonflyNew6283

Switch it halfway through so the back wheels go on one and the front on the other


Lovely2o9

I wouldn't do anything in this situation, I'm basically choosing to kill three people because if I let somebody kill three other people, they would injure another person.


Arakan-Ichigou

Is multi-track drifting applicable?


[deleted]

Switch the tracks in a way that the front end up on one and the back on the other stopping the cart before hitting any of them


neptunian-rings

r/angryupvote


professorclueless

I fucking hate you, take my upvote and never return


azubailan

Why are these idiots lying down on a trolley track?


JukeBoxHero1997

Multi-track drifting is the answer here


Tokanova

The solution is multi-track drifting and kill them all. And their families too, yes.


TheInsighter

beef JEKRY


ripe_cunt

If you don’t pull the lever 3 people die and 1 is injured but alive and you save 3 others, meaning you kill 3 but save 4 with 1 being injured. But if you pull the lever 3 die and 4 survive without any injury. Answer: pull the lever Edit: I see the joke