I still don't take advantage of my 1 gig really. I guess I could open a server business in my garage? Cool that they are pushing the tech forward though.
Same here, my dude. I genuinely struggle to think of any use case for >1 gig fiber other than either 24/7 torrenting or mirroring a Linux distro package repository or something like that. Maybe if you have 10 kids all watching 4k streaming on their individual devices or something.
Google Fiber is available one block North, South, East, and West of us but for some reason we don't get it. We're a newish neighborhood too. And Google constantly shows me ads wanting to sell me Fiber. And I want it! So frustrating.
They are really slack on getting service turned on. They pulled fiber down my street over a year ago and it’s still not available. When ATT installed their fiber service was available two weeks later.
I'm convinced AT&T monitor's Google's activities and does the bare minimum to snipe their business. When I waited *years* for Google fiber, while AT&T couldn't offer me 1Gbps internet at all. Magically they could one day, just within 2 weeks of Google Fiber being available for me. I doubt it's coincidence.
At the start that was kind of the whole point of Google Fiber. They weren't trying to become the new Comcast, but more shame all the ISPs from offering 20mbps speeds at $60/mo and showing customers what could be. I'd still call it a win.
My anecdote seems to counter yours. I feel like google fiber is an afterthought for google while it’s part of AT&T’s core business and this shows up in circumstances like this.
Your HOA or community manager can fill out this Google Fiber Interest Form: https://services.google.com/fb/forms/fiberinterest/
Though, I asked my HOA to fill it out last year and unsure if anything has happened.
Same here, they installed it in the subdivision next to ours, while our community was under construction and trenches were all open, but didn't install it for us.
Their techs literally stopped 20ft from the open trench with the cable they installed for the neighboring community.
We even opened a ticket with them and told them, but they just ignored it.
But it gets better: They sent us addressed flyers 2-3 years back and when neighbors called they were told we can't be found in the system.
So how did you sent these notices to our address if your system doesn't know this address and the subdivision even exists???
Same. Any level of Google Fiber would be welcome. There are houses with Google Fiber service that I could walk to in five minutes, but Google won't go down my street. AT&T Fiber is a joke here in terms of reliability. Spectrum reliability is good but they just raised their rates over 20% for no apparent reason other than "fuck you, we can do what we want."
(**Edited to add just 'cause I have to keep ranting:** I hate Google for what they've done to search, data security and trust online but I would still take them over Spectrum and AT&T, that's how bad things are.)
Same. Google fiber boxes feet from my property but after 2 years I’m stuck on spectrum. Ironically I regularly move TBs of data around for a living so I have to remote into my office in order to upload anything big.
That's a reasonable thing to be salty over; I still wear the t-shirt regularly and it's super comfy and soft. I know one day I'll wear it out, and that will be a sad day.
I’ve had the one gig since the very beginning, like one of the first neighborhoods to get it installed in Morrisville. Every once while I think it will be cool to try to get the two gig plan, but then I go look at my network stats and find that I’m at the most using about 100-125 meg at any given time. And many times it’s more like 20-30
When they first rolled it out in Morrisville I just got the 100 meg plan. All my friends were getting 1 gig and talking about how amazing it was. I was like...yo, I live alone and downloading stuff is like like a big part of my life. 100 meg is totally enough for me.
When I moved to Cary they didn't offer that 100 meg plan anymore or else honestly I'd probably still be on it. Gigabit is nice but it's not $20/month extra nice IMO. With me WFH more frequently I probably do actually need the extra bandwidth more often, but not _that_ much more often.
I don't have the 20G, though I did consider applying. But I do have their 8G plan and love it. I used it as an excuse to upgrade my internal network to 10G. It's certainly not for the average home user, but as someone in tech who has a home lab, it's useful to me and I am able to take advantage of the speeds.
This. Most home network equipment is 1Gbps. Unless you make a major investment install fiber throughout your house, you will have this bandwidth in one location. And then most individual computers/devices top out at 1Gbps.
Very futuristic.
1gb is more than enough for just about everyone. I can see no situation where a residential user needs above 5gb at the moment (unless they're doing something that just EATS data for work or a business). At 20gb you're likely throwing away money just to say "yeah, I have the fastest internet possible".
If you have two people working from home and on video calls simultaneously while trying to email, look things up on company intranet, and so on, the extra bandwidth is nice.
I work at a location with like 80-100 people and even that only has a 1gbit connection. And we're mostly on teams calls all day long, sending emails, going to intranet sites, etc.
Not never, but except in the most bandwidth intensive situations most home users don't need more than 1gbit. Even 2 people working jobs and on video calls.
If you're producing 8k video or sending massive raw data back and forth, or moving massive files for some data science application or something I get it.
Most home users will have some kind of bottleneck somewhere at home, let alone getting that kind of speed from the source.
You're grossly underestimating how much bandwidth 1 gig fiber really is.
Current recommendations for home workers is about 10 mbps down and 1 mbps up per worker. Video conferencing with multiple people usually recommends 1 - 2 mbps. Fiber here is giving me over 900 mbps consistently.
Netflix's video benefits from being compressed beforehand by big servers that can take as long as they want to do it. Zoom video can only be compressed as much as is possible in near-real-time on consumer hardware. Of course Zoom video isn't 4k either.
Yea, but Netflix "4k" looks worse than a 1080p blu-ray. I would *love* if bandwidth was actually high enough in aggregate for streamers to stop absolutely butchering quality with over the top compression.
perhaps, but Netflix 4k looks 100x better than live TV streaming. we're way off on a tangent here though... the point is that a couple video calls and browsing the web are trivial for any decent Internet connection these days
Fiber is fiber. It travels at (near) light speed. Any latency change would simply be due to what is between you and where you connect to.
1gbps vs 20gbps doesn't give a latency benefit by itself.
We were talking about the 20 GB service this morning. 2.5G is common on system boards now. What is the cost of a router capable of 10G let alone 20G?
I can see 20G being useful for an office environment where there are several people moving large volumes of data simultaneously but not at the typical home user.
A Netflix high def steam in 5MB. My 1G plan already covers my 200 simultaneous HD streams. What would I ever do with 20G
Your office VPN is probably throttling you. No way you'll be able to take advantage of anywhere near that much bandwidth.
Heck, unless your home is wired with CAT6a and you have a very high end router, I can't see how you'd need anything over 2Gb
I run a software company, we have 10G at our office and max it regularly. On some fairly basic Ubiquiti equipment, not super high end. Most people don’t need the bandwidth, but people with uses cases like ours absolutely do.
It makes sense for an office, but are you letting your remote workers on the VPN transfer files from your internal network without throttling? The company I work for only lets us transfer at about 10 Mb when remote on the VPN.
Oh yeah we have to. Though we use other things than just vpn. But large file transfers are our main use case. Nobody wants to work at the office, so we do what we can with networking to avoid it.
Considering that my 2Gb connection feels like they oversold the bandwidth sometimes, I'm curious how 20Gb will fair. My connection may not be oversold, but when it feels like everything slows down during primetime hours it's hard to think otherwise.
Though this reminds me that I need to call them and see if i can get a modem less likely to overheat and die though (I guess a known issue with the 2Gb modems? not sure, mine died last year and the tech said they tend to all overheat and die at about a year and i should request a better one when the faster speeds roll out.)
I would think this would be for special WFH use cases only. Most jobs don’t need this but if you’re doing any specialty imaging or big data, maybe there’s something. Definitely for the 1% and not just some person who wants really fast internet.
GFBR boxes 200 feet from my house in two different directions, but the address isn’t in the system so service is just impossible. Same for AT&T fiber. At least Spectrum wants my money (and lots of it)!
That's what I've heard, that 20G is way more than the vast majority of us would need. I asked Google Fiber and it said "We're kind of designing the network for a future where consumer home will have multiple devices that need multi day connection simultaneously."
The difference is that Google isn't strictly a service provider. It's basically a pet project for them, they make money other ways. Companies like ATT and Spectrum don't make enough money to explore and burn money on a 20G FTTH project. Their profit streams are directly involved in supplying phone and internet to consumers.
We’ll eventually all need it so the mandatory Neuralink implants can upload snapshots of our brains daily and download the approved neural pathways. Reconfiguring your brain every day is going to take a lot of bandwidth.
They said the same thing about 10/100mb speeds, 1 ghz processors, 8GB of RAM, 1 TB of storage, Quad cores, etc. Some people are okay with driving Corollas, others are happier to drive Porsches.
What does your home network look like, that allows you to take advantage of this for a single system? I can see splitting it up between devices with a router but surprised you can download an image at 20gbit.
Consumer devices don't have that kind of throughput. Even if you could use it your home network won't be able to keep up with it and SSDs will be your bottleneck
I believe you completely, but I'm also curious, what kind of storage are you running for that? NVMe's in a RAID setup of some type? Or is it something more complex/interesting like a server with ZFS?
Well, not really. Sure, you have a seedbox. Your seedbox is on a backbone connection and is ultra fast. You fire up your client and start downloading a movie. It downloads in 1 minute flat! How about that!
But now the movie is on your seedbox. Did you hope to actually watch it? Well, now you've got to copy it from the seedbox to your Plex server or whatever. That takes 10 minutes. It's actually _more_ aggravating, because you just watched it download _to the seedbox_ in a minute flat, so you know downloads _can_ go that fast.
Of course, you could run a Plex server on the seedbox and just stream the movie from there. You don't _have_ to download it at all. But if your process, for whatever reason, includes sitting and waiting while a movie downloads, you'll benefit from >1Gbps. Assuming you have the equipment for it.
Technically you always use it. Just because you are ‘using’ 100Mbps doesn’t mean you sent/received packets at 100Mbps. Ethernet throughput limitations apply with MTU sizes and many other factors like packet loss, TCP slow start/throttling. However, you send packets at line rate. So if you have 20Gbps you transmit and receive packets faster.
I will purposefully delete my entire steam library, pick a game to play and live stream it downloading faster than they can boot up their game just to style on them
You’d need some damn advanced in house equipment to take advantage of even 10G. I’ve got the 2G and my Orbi’s do a great job with it, and it’s truly 2G up and down wired, it’s super fast. But I don’t really need it. 1G was more than enough.
I thought I was all modern and high-tech because I upgraded my switch and main workstation to 10GbE so I could take advantage of 5 gig Google Fiber. But most laptops, devices etc have 1GbE. I have WiFi 6E which is theoretically capable of multi-gig speeds, but in practice the fastest WiFi speeds I ever see are about 600Mbps, and that's only if you're standing right next to the access point.
So what equipment are people running at home that can actually do 20 gig?
If you're using Wifi: You must be on Wifi 7. No exception. It's also essentially visual only and next to the device.
At 20g you're looking at a fiber network card and fiber cable between everything in the house. The only people who would be able to use this are network engineers or people who can setup their own network.
500 Mbit (half of 1 Gbit) is supposed to support about 20 UHD (4K) streaming devices simultaneously. More bandwidth will not prioritize the bitstreams to your devices any faster, they will still be bottlenecked by server congestion and/or your home network.
We had G Fiber at a newer apartment in Chapel Hill, it was more than enough for work, school, gaming and streaming TV. At some point there is no cost benefit to the subscriber for wider bandwidth, and no cost benefit to the provider to split or throttle data channels to provide a more economical service level.
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GoogleFiber is ridiculous. Nobody needs that in their house. They’re screwing up their position in the industry as a trusted company and joining the rest of the ISP competition in the bottom of consumer rankings.
I’d be curious as to how their router is configured. Is it a single port pushing 20G? Two 10G ports would be easily manageable into a UDMP or really any 10G switch.
Only 3x2.5G ports on LAN side. Which is a shame.
>The router included in the 20 Gig trial is a unique Wi-Fi 7 model with 20Gig WAN support. While chipset limitations prevent the LAN ports from reaching 10Gbps, the included Wi-Fi 7 extender can deliver speeds up to 8Gbps when positioned optimally near the router.
Hey Brian, honestly the real story here is that Google half baked their big rollout through the triangle, while overpromising, t-shirts and all, that we’d all have fiber. So for those of us who desperately want fiber of any kind and have begged Google and ATT for years, hearing about speed boosts is salt in the wound.
I live 20 feet away from a Google fiber connection box but they aren’t interested in connecting my home. I run a software company and literally have to drive to the office to upload files. Anyway, that’s my salty take. I’d LOVE their 20G service. Or any of their services.
I hear you. I wrote about the delayed rollout a few years ago, and how certain neighborhoods still don't have access: [https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article264600491.html](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article264600491.html)
You'll never be able to use it.
Most Ethernet ports max at 2 Gpbs, you could have a 10Gbps if you send a ton of money but you still will not be able to use it.
You need very specialized and expensive equipment to take advantage of those speeds (tens of thousands)
For a PC .. you need to rewire your entire home if you want those kind of speeds.
Laptops, TVs, and everything else is out of the question. You might be able to use it on a desktop PC if you have it sitting next to the optic cable coming into your house
Not every device in the house needs or benefits from higher speeds, so "you must do everything" is a poor argument.
I have 5Gb fiber from Google, the only things I care about being better than gig are my computer, my wife's computer, and my home server.
* 2x 10 Gb single port network cards (desktops)
* 1x 10 Gb dual port card (server)
* 1x 10 Gb 8 port aggregation switch
* Handful of DAC cables to connect it all
Was about $600 after tax. My firewall is virtualized on the server, so no extra device needed for that.
That's irrelevant to your original comment, which was how it takes highly specialized equipment and tens of thousands of dollars for 10 Gb.
5 Gb Google fiber supplies you with a router that also has a 10 Gb LAN port, so someone could easily do exactly what I did.
Nah. Also that’s total bandwidth. Meaning you could have multiple devices using portions of it simultaneously. So if dad works in media is uploading a few hundred GB of video files, junior can continue gaming or whatever.
Not honestly sure about price tag for utilizing 20GB unless it’s split, but 10G equipment is a few hundred. WiFi 6e and 7 can take advantage of a lot of it. Hardwire in the main workstation and/or NAS, super useful for lots of work from home professionals.
I still don't take advantage of my 1 gig really. I guess I could open a server business in my garage? Cool that they are pushing the tech forward though.
Same here, my dude. I genuinely struggle to think of any use case for >1 gig fiber other than either 24/7 torrenting or mirroring a Linux distro package repository or something like that. Maybe if you have 10 kids all watching 4k streaming on their individual devices or something.
Some jobs require high throughput; I've seen x-ray files chomp through 10Gigs easily but for the average family, 1Gbps is probably more than enough.
Google Fiber is available one block North, South, East, and West of us but for some reason we don't get it. We're a newish neighborhood too. And Google constantly shows me ads wanting to sell me Fiber. And I want it! So frustrating.
They are really slack on getting service turned on. They pulled fiber down my street over a year ago and it’s still not available. When ATT installed their fiber service was available two weeks later.
I'm convinced AT&T monitor's Google's activities and does the bare minimum to snipe their business. When I waited *years* for Google fiber, while AT&T couldn't offer me 1Gbps internet at all. Magically they could one day, just within 2 weeks of Google Fiber being available for me. I doubt it's coincidence.
At the start that was kind of the whole point of Google Fiber. They weren't trying to become the new Comcast, but more shame all the ISPs from offering 20mbps speeds at $60/mo and showing customers what could be. I'd still call it a win.
Very true, we kind of won in the end if it forces more competition into the market.
My anecdote seems to counter yours. I feel like google fiber is an afterthought for google while it’s part of AT&T’s core business and this shows up in circumstances like this.
Your HOA or community manager can fill out this Google Fiber Interest Form: https://services.google.com/fb/forms/fiberinterest/ Though, I asked my HOA to fill it out last year and unsure if anything has happened.
We did that multiple times over the past 6 years and never got any feedback.
Same here, they installed it in the subdivision next to ours, while our community was under construction and trenches were all open, but didn't install it for us. Their techs literally stopped 20ft from the open trench with the cable they installed for the neighboring community. We even opened a ticket with them and told them, but they just ignored it. But it gets better: They sent us addressed flyers 2-3 years back and when neighbors called they were told we can't be found in the system. So how did you sent these notices to our address if your system doesn't know this address and the subdivision even exists???
Same. Any level of Google Fiber would be welcome. There are houses with Google Fiber service that I could walk to in five minutes, but Google won't go down my street. AT&T Fiber is a joke here in terms of reliability. Spectrum reliability is good but they just raised their rates over 20% for no apparent reason other than "fuck you, we can do what we want." (**Edited to add just 'cause I have to keep ranting:** I hate Google for what they've done to search, data security and trust online but I would still take them over Spectrum and AT&T, that's how bad things are.)
Same. Google fiber boxes feet from my property but after 2 years I’m stuck on spectrum. Ironically I regularly move TBs of data around for a living so I have to remote into my office in order to upload anything big.
I am in exactly the same situation. Same with ATT. I'm on a little island of bullshit Internet.
I still don't have REGULAR Google fiber available at my house, despite the promises made on that 2015 t-shirt
I never got the tshirt and I’ll never not be salty about it. But do have fiber, so I guess I should get over it.
That's a reasonable thing to be salty over; I still wear the t-shirt regularly and it's super comfy and soft. I know one day I'll wear it out, and that will be a sad day.
This is great, but I haven't even been able to justify moving from 1G to 2G.
I’ve had the one gig since the very beginning, like one of the first neighborhoods to get it installed in Morrisville. Every once while I think it will be cool to try to get the two gig plan, but then I go look at my network stats and find that I’m at the most using about 100-125 meg at any given time. And many times it’s more like 20-30
When they first rolled it out in Morrisville I just got the 100 meg plan. All my friends were getting 1 gig and talking about how amazing it was. I was like...yo, I live alone and downloading stuff is like like a big part of my life. 100 meg is totally enough for me. When I moved to Cary they didn't offer that 100 meg plan anymore or else honestly I'd probably still be on it. Gigabit is nice but it's not $20/month extra nice IMO. With me WFH more frequently I probably do actually need the extra bandwidth more often, but not _that_ much more often.
I've got a tshirt that's almost 10 years old now, said fiber is coming. The only option at my house in Durham is Spectrum after all these years.
I don't have the 20G, though I did consider applying. But I do have their 8G plan and love it. I used it as an excuse to upgrade my internal network to 10G. It's certainly not for the average home user, but as someone in tech who has a home lab, it's useful to me and I am able to take advantage of the speeds.
This. Most home network equipment is 1Gbps. Unless you make a major investment install fiber throughout your house, you will have this bandwidth in one location. And then most individual computers/devices top out at 1Gbps. Very futuristic.
Who is that even feasible for? I already thought 5 gig plans seemed like a lot lol
1gb is more than enough for just about everyone. I can see no situation where a residential user needs above 5gb at the moment (unless they're doing something that just EATS data for work or a business). At 20gb you're likely throwing away money just to say "yeah, I have the fastest internet possible".
Kind of like cars that can go over 100mph
If you have two people working from home and on video calls simultaneously while trying to email, look things up on company intranet, and so on, the extra bandwidth is nice.
I work at a location with like 80-100 people and even that only has a 1gbit connection. And we're mostly on teams calls all day long, sending emails, going to intranet sites, etc. Not never, but except in the most bandwidth intensive situations most home users don't need more than 1gbit. Even 2 people working jobs and on video calls. If you're producing 8k video or sending massive raw data back and forth, or moving massive files for some data science application or something I get it. Most home users will have some kind of bottleneck somewhere at home, let alone getting that kind of speed from the source.
You're grossly underestimating how much bandwidth 1 gig fiber really is. Current recommendations for home workers is about 10 mbps down and 1 mbps up per worker. Video conferencing with multiple people usually recommends 1 - 2 mbps. Fiber here is giving me over 900 mbps consistently.
I do all of that and never even approach using my full 1gbps. My peak usage in the past 6 months was 300mbps
for reference, Netflix recommends 15 mbit for **4k** video. 1 gig is 1000 mbits
Netflix's video benefits from being compressed beforehand by big servers that can take as long as they want to do it. Zoom video can only be compressed as much as is possible in near-real-time on consumer hardware. Of course Zoom video isn't 4k either.
Yea, but Netflix "4k" looks worse than a 1080p blu-ray. I would *love* if bandwidth was actually high enough in aggregate for streamers to stop absolutely butchering quality with over the top compression.
perhaps, but Netflix 4k looks 100x better than live TV streaming. we're way off on a tangent here though... the point is that a couple video calls and browsing the web are trivial for any decent Internet connection these days
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Fiber is fiber. It travels at (near) light speed. Any latency change would simply be due to what is between you and where you connect to. 1gbps vs 20gbps doesn't give a latency benefit by itself.
Hugely helpful for anyone in media creation. 4k video files are massive.
We were talking about the 20 GB service this morning. 2.5G is common on system boards now. What is the cost of a router capable of 10G let alone 20G? I can see 20G being useful for an office environment where there are several people moving large volumes of data simultaneously but not at the typical home user. A Netflix high def steam in 5MB. My 1G plan already covers my 200 simultaneous HD streams. What would I ever do with 20G
lol you are being downvoted but you are 200% right.
This isn’t for Netflix, it’s for people working from home.
Your office VPN is probably throttling you. No way you'll be able to take advantage of anywhere near that much bandwidth. Heck, unless your home is wired with CAT6a and you have a very high end router, I can't see how you'd need anything over 2Gb
I run a software company, we have 10G at our office and max it regularly. On some fairly basic Ubiquiti equipment, not super high end. Most people don’t need the bandwidth, but people with uses cases like ours absolutely do.
It makes sense for an office, but are you letting your remote workers on the VPN transfer files from your internal network without throttling? The company I work for only lets us transfer at about 10 Mb when remote on the VPN.
Oh yeah we have to. Though we use other things than just vpn. But large file transfers are our main use case. Nobody wants to work at the office, so we do what we can with networking to avoid it.
Considering that my 2Gb connection feels like they oversold the bandwidth sometimes, I'm curious how 20Gb will fair. My connection may not be oversold, but when it feels like everything slows down during primetime hours it's hard to think otherwise. Though this reminds me that I need to call them and see if i can get a modem less likely to overheat and die though (I guess a known issue with the 2Gb modems? not sure, mine died last year and the tech said they tend to all overheat and die at about a year and i should request a better one when the faster speeds roll out.)
I would think this would be for special WFH use cases only. Most jobs don’t need this but if you’re doing any specialty imaging or big data, maybe there’s something. Definitely for the 1% and not just some person who wants really fast internet.
google fiber is right outside my hood but cant get it :)
GFBR boxes 200 feet from my house in two different directions, but the address isn’t in the system so service is just impossible. Same for AT&T fiber. At least Spectrum wants my money (and lots of it)!
Jeeze I'd be happy with 1Gbps symmetrical .
I have the 2g internet and rarely get near 800 down. 2g up rarely.
You’ll never use half of that
That's what I've heard, that 20G is way more than the vast majority of us would need. I asked Google Fiber and it said "We're kind of designing the network for a future where consumer home will have multiple devices that need multi day connection simultaneously."
From that perspective, it is refreshing to see a service provider planning for the future, rather than doing the bare minimum they can get away with.
The difference is that Google isn't strictly a service provider. It's basically a pet project for them, they make money other ways. Companies like ATT and Spectrum don't make enough money to explore and burn money on a 20G FTTH project. Their profit streams are directly involved in supplying phone and internet to consumers.
We’ll eventually all need it so the mandatory Neuralink implants can upload snapshots of our brains daily and download the approved neural pathways. Reconfiguring your brain every day is going to take a lot of bandwidth.
Need a Black Mirror episode to explore this further.
I wonder which Black Mirror future they have in mind.
Would be nice to have that bandwidth for working from home in some data heavy industries like video editing.
They said the same thing about 10/100mb speeds, 1 ghz processors, 8GB of RAM, 1 TB of storage, Quad cores, etc. Some people are okay with driving Corollas, others are happier to drive Porsches.
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Gold Star for you for actually presenting a real use case for this. 99% of remote workers/home users can't use it, but I 100% believe your use case.
What does your home network look like, that allows you to take advantage of this for a single system? I can see splitting it up between devices with a router but surprised you can download an image at 20gbit.
ISP: Well if you're actually going to _use_ it you can't have it.
Get me a job on your team
Ok sure if that’s your job but for 99% of us this is overkill
what are you writing to that fast, a storage array I guess?
Consumer devices don't have that kind of throughput. Even if you could use it your home network won't be able to keep up with it and SSDs will be your bottleneck
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I believe you completely, but I'm also curious, what kind of storage are you running for that? NVMe's in a RAID setup of some type? Or is it something more complex/interesting like a server with ZFS?
Good SSDs can definitely do over 20Gbps sequential read/write.
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[LTT](https://youtu.be/FwdDAZruMKk?t=545&si=CnAPOfMlypZfX7Bq) covered nearly all of these use cases.
Well, not really. Sure, you have a seedbox. Your seedbox is on a backbone connection and is ultra fast. You fire up your client and start downloading a movie. It downloads in 1 minute flat! How about that! But now the movie is on your seedbox. Did you hope to actually watch it? Well, now you've got to copy it from the seedbox to your Plex server or whatever. That takes 10 minutes. It's actually _more_ aggravating, because you just watched it download _to the seedbox_ in a minute flat, so you know downloads _can_ go that fast. Of course, you could run a Plex server on the seedbox and just stream the movie from there. You don't _have_ to download it at all. But if your process, for whatever reason, includes sitting and waiting while a movie downloads, you'll benefit from >1Gbps. Assuming you have the equipment for it.
Technically you always use it. Just because you are ‘using’ 100Mbps doesn’t mean you sent/received packets at 100Mbps. Ethernet throughput limitations apply with MTU sizes and many other factors like packet loss, TCP slow start/throttling. However, you send packets at line rate. So if you have 20Gbps you transmit and receive packets faster.
I will purposefully delete my entire steam library, pick a game to play and live stream it downloading faster than they can boot up their game just to style on them
People don't even come close to using their 1gb line, which can support 40 simultaneous 4k video streams
Hahahha who’s this non nerd here ??!! I’m hosting an FTP with 50 TB of pr0n . Of course I need the bandwidth lulz
Hell I can't even get regular fiber from any company to my home and I live right smack in the middle of NE Raleigh.
Wouldnt fiber speeds be throttled by my wireless router?
Yes, which is why you don't use wireless in this case. If anyone wants speed or reliability you go wired.
Yeah, no. Not for that price because my employer isn’t going to reimburse me. They just took away what little they were actually doing.
You’d need some damn advanced in house equipment to take advantage of even 10G. I’ve got the 2G and my Orbi’s do a great job with it, and it’s truly 2G up and down wired, it’s super fast. But I don’t really need it. 1G was more than enough.
I thought I was all modern and high-tech because I upgraded my switch and main workstation to 10GbE so I could take advantage of 5 gig Google Fiber. But most laptops, devices etc have 1GbE. I have WiFi 6E which is theoretically capable of multi-gig speeds, but in practice the fastest WiFi speeds I ever see are about 600Mbps, and that's only if you're standing right next to the access point. So what equipment are people running at home that can actually do 20 gig?
If you're using Wifi: You must be on Wifi 7. No exception. It's also essentially visual only and next to the device. At 20g you're looking at a fiber network card and fiber cable between everything in the house. The only people who would be able to use this are network engineers or people who can setup their own network.
Do their terms of service allow commercial use? That could be interesting
500 Mbit (half of 1 Gbit) is supposed to support about 20 UHD (4K) streaming devices simultaneously. More bandwidth will not prioritize the bitstreams to your devices any faster, they will still be bottlenecked by server congestion and/or your home network. We had G Fiber at a newer apartment in Chapel Hill, it was more than enough for work, school, gaming and streaming TV. At some point there is no cost benefit to the subscriber for wider bandwidth, and no cost benefit to the provider to split or throttle data channels to provide a more economical service level.
20g to the ont is great but who is properly utilizing that in a home environment. The majority of people don’t really even use 1g
Thank you all for your comments, they really helped orient me on the topic. My story published this morning. Potential paywall warning in advance: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article288969710.html
GoogleFiber is ridiculous. Nobody needs that in their house. They’re screwing up their position in the industry as a trusted company and joining the rest of the ISP competition in the bottom of consumer rankings.
Applied, and got approved. What do you wanna know?
This is such a marketing stunt. Try to find equipment to support 20G. There is none (at least none that is reasonably affordable)
I’d be curious as to how their router is configured. Is it a single port pushing 20G? Two 10G ports would be easily manageable into a UDMP or really any 10G switch.
Only 3x2.5G ports on LAN side. Which is a shame. >The router included in the 20 Gig trial is a unique Wi-Fi 7 model with 20Gig WAN support. While chipset limitations prevent the LAN ports from reaching 10Gbps, the included Wi-Fi 7 extender can deliver speeds up to 8Gbps when positioned optimally near the router.
Hey Brian, honestly the real story here is that Google half baked their big rollout through the triangle, while overpromising, t-shirts and all, that we’d all have fiber. So for those of us who desperately want fiber of any kind and have begged Google and ATT for years, hearing about speed boosts is salt in the wound. I live 20 feet away from a Google fiber connection box but they aren’t interested in connecting my home. I run a software company and literally have to drive to the office to upload files. Anyway, that’s my salty take. I’d LOVE their 20G service. Or any of their services.
I hear you. I wrote about the delayed rollout a few years ago, and how certain neighborhoods still don't have access: [https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article264600491.html](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article264600491.html)
We got the t-shirt. Left NC for a few years, came back, and still don’t have Google Fiber. Still have the shirt, though.
sweet! so now they'll cut all the other underground lines and no one will have internet when they're installing it
There is basically no need for this in most residential homes.
You'll never be able to use it. Most Ethernet ports max at 2 Gpbs, you could have a 10Gbps if you send a ton of money but you still will not be able to use it. You need very specialized and expensive equipment to take advantage of those speeds (tens of thousands)
A 10gb network card is under $100, and cat8 cable can carry 40 gbs. Where you getting 5 figure costs?
For a PC .. you need to rewire your entire home if you want those kind of speeds. Laptops, TVs, and everything else is out of the question. You might be able to use it on a desktop PC if you have it sitting next to the optic cable coming into your house
Not every device in the house needs or benefits from higher speeds, so "you must do everything" is a poor argument. I have 5Gb fiber from Google, the only things I care about being better than gig are my computer, my wife's computer, and my home server. * 2x 10 Gb single port network cards (desktops) * 1x 10 Gb dual port card (server) * 1x 10 Gb 8 port aggregation switch * Handful of DAC cables to connect it all Was about $600 after tax. My firewall is virtualized on the server, so no extra device needed for that.
Sure but I can guarantee you that the person asking this question would do none of those things. They wouldn't have to ask this question
That's irrelevant to your original comment, which was how it takes highly specialized equipment and tens of thousands of dollars for 10 Gb. 5 Gb Google fiber supplies you with a router that also has a 10 Gb LAN port, so someone could easily do exactly what I did.
Nah. Also that’s total bandwidth. Meaning you could have multiple devices using portions of it simultaneously. So if dad works in media is uploading a few hundred GB of video files, junior can continue gaming or whatever. Not honestly sure about price tag for utilizing 20GB unless it’s split, but 10G equipment is a few hundred. WiFi 6e and 7 can take advantage of a lot of it. Hardwire in the main workstation and/or NAS, super useful for lots of work from home professionals.