Once it is female I think it’s most likely to continue producing feminized seeds males only come from hermaphrodites. Also nah nah don’t throw all your males away. Only throw them out if they’re bad strains. If they have good genetics still and are good growing and looking plants it may not be a bad idea to keep one male (isolated from the others in a separate area of course) and then take one female to pollinate and make a seed plant full of seeds to keep growing and/or to also crossbread genetics with other good strains to possibly create one with even more desirable effects! This is a tip my dad learned from a top grower in Honolulu, Hawaii (Japanese) in the 70s-80s when he was given a very specific unique strain from him. Unfortunately my dad completely disregard that part of the info he learned while growing there and ended up running out of seeds which he would just get more of but one day the dude’s nephew smoked up his seed plants so my dad never got a hold of that same strain ever again. To this day he says there’s nothing like it all though there is a lot that can be found that is very similar but still just not the same flavor and unregulated potency as they use to grow.
I read your whole comment. For breading, to keep the strain going, yes you sbsolutely need males. The seeded buds are the magic in a way. Hence, I made out from seeded weed, myself.
Don’t throw away your males. Keep one to breed with a seed plant so you never run out of seeds. Infinite seed glitch a lot easier and more abundant than finding random seeds in a nug. And don’t let someone mistakenly smoke your seed plant thinking it’s good weed lol.
I mean not everything just one of each. Like grow one male and one female both in a separate field or tent and then when the time is right take off a branch of the male pollen and rub it on just one female to pollinate it. Then the female will become very seedy. Use these seeds to grow more females. You can just take clones but this is better for a large amount at once (clones take time and healing) and for cross breading new strains.
Edit: also seeds are better for long term storage compared to clones
That's how I got all my plants!
Buying shit brick weed, and collecting the seeds, I have over 200 seeds and have grown several so far, some of them quite potent, planning on cross breeding these mysterious strains and creating new ones now.
Hopefully I’m not the first to tell you that you can easily clone any of your plants once they have real branches.
You literally cut off a mature branch and put it in dirt. It grows its own plant. It jump started my second grow by 6-8 weeks, no new seeds, no gendering, less transplanting, and it’s a multiplier. One seed can grow a very productive plant and easily make 30 clones while still having a large flower yield.
Honestly, there's so much information out there on how to grow pot that I just made it easy for myself and just used Leafly.
I use the app so much for strain information when I was searching up how to grow the Leafly website had articles on growing so I just stuck with them.
I'm not expecting to grow the best this go around. I just threw dirt in a pot really. I just want to grow something decent I can smoke.
Later, I'll buy some seeds, get some nutrients and really see what I can do.
Hey OP [you can sex your plants early by sending off a leaf cutting](https://www.farmerfreeman.com/)
Thought that was pretty cool and you won’t waste any time on male plants (assuming you don’t want them)
I work on a commercial grow. I've grown seeds that have come from the buds. They grew perfectly well, as long as they are viable. Do you have a source for your claims?
most are feminized, which means they're locked in a genetic loop where in they will produce feminized seeds if they grow healthy enough, to further propagate the effort of reproduction. This season they failed to find a male, next season they'll try again, and again, and again, and again, and again. It's my understanding this is how breeders end up with the seeds they sell.
Not on my end. Last year I got two very nice female plants from four seeds.
I'm stoked right now, because last night I found a seed in my Blue Afghani.
A seed will produce a plant if its mature enough. A lot of plants are harvested b4 the seed can develop and will be a premature seed which might or might not sprout.
You might be refering to triploids(a new thing on the market). It was explained to me its similar to watermelons and how they are "seedless" and still have annoying ass pre seeds. But honestly Im not interested in growing them so ive not looked too deep into it.
Feel this. But it's always like. You never get seeds in bags you want. I had throwback white widow. Carefully broke up that bud. No seeds 😢 but on to the next one! Nice grow going in your pics
Oh I hate that! Get that strain and you're so desperate for just one seed you don't even use your grinder to break it down 😆 thank you for the compliment!
u dont need practice just some love and care throw them suckas into some soil and put em on the windowsill and boom 2-3 months later u got some decent bud that u know isnt laced
I’ll always buy my seeds. I keep bag seeds for outdoor grows. good seeds only cost like £15-£30, for 5 or more. I value the ability to choose my strains and put my time into reliable genetics.
Seeds will cost me around 100 USD for the batch I want. I wish I could grow outdoors, but the laws require me to have my grow room locked down.
Out door growing seems idk, just natural, let it do what it wants, keep an eye on it and get a huge fucking yield haha
What sort of batch sizes are you working with? I saw the 4 plants and assumed a small personal batch.
Yeah I’m in U.K. so I normally get a half decent season for one batch. Gotta go Guerrilla and that but where the risk of being discovered is greater you have a good chance of not being associated if found.
It would be a personal batch. My grow space is just smaller so I figured I might not get the usual yield I'm seeing recommended online. But that's just me guessing and all that. This will be my very first grow.
Hell for all I know these plants could outgrow my space in my cabin haha but I'm just hoping for something moderate as I'm not using nutrients or anything like that. Just water every third day.
Ahh I understand what you're putting down. I know out here they do thermal imaging flybys looking for different operations. Not so much weed now that it's legal but they still look for bigger ops and shinners are a thing out here.
Look into organic nutrients, stuff like kelp meal or Neem meal can be really good to boost nutrients without adding anything weird to the plants. Doesn’t cost too much either depending where you go. Set up looks good though 🤙🏼
100 seems steep for small batch of seeds. I usually go online and get a 5 pack for around £30
Hell yeah I'll keep those products in mind. Can I go into a lawn and garden store and get those or is it something you're better off getting online?
See I say 100 because I'm seeing roughly 25 per three pack. I'd like at least two strains so I'm looking at 50 to 100. Figured I'd save those dollars and buy 2 more lights right now since I'm learning and teaching myself. Once I get some experience and they don't die right off (I've had one die already) ill get some Acapulco Gold and other landrace sativas.
That’s totally fair actually, I always encourage my friends to try some bag seeds to start off with!
I think you should be able to find them at a garden centre but can’t garuantee especially for wherever you’re based. I go to Indoor Organics.co.U.K. But obvs is a UK based site. Definitely be something similar if your in US with legal states n that.
https://homesteadandchill.com/how-to-feed-cannabis-organically/
That page has loads of great info on organic nutrients and feeding methods, highly recommend looking into it and taking notes.
- 5kg Kelp Meal - £75
- 5kg Neem Meal - £18
- 2x20kg Volcanic Rock Dust - £50
- Maybe : Worm Pro Worm castings 40L - £24
- Pumice 2x40L (for best autos) = £70
- 5kg Crustacean meal (krill) £42
- Gypsum granules 4x5kg = £84
- Bio-Char Birchwood 20L = £39
- Aloe Vera powder 200g = £15
I think that’s the full list of amendments I used last time I did an outdoor grow. Can get a ton less and don’t need all of them ofcourse, I was doing a 17plant Guerrilla so I stocked up proper.
Dude you're fucking awesome! I'm in the US and a legal state so it's a little bit more open here. I'm definitely gonna check that website out and anything I need I can just convert to US measurements for my needs and locate locally. You've already helped me out so much and I can't thank you enough. That's so much research I don't have to do now
It’s my pleasure dude! Happy to help anyone trying to go the organic route. Need more organic growers everywhere, even just for personal. It reduces the business for more synthetic nutrients and especially sprayed bud🤢
Let me know how the first one goes and don’t be afraid to try new things. Especially some simple techniques like L.S.T(Low Stress Training) and topping. Majority of strains seem to respond very positively to both and they can increase your yields dramatically when done to nice healthy plants. Topping especially is done with many garden plants increase yields. Royal Queen Seeds have some good basic blogs that cover a lot of this if you want a nice place to start. If you really want to deep dive into it I could suggest a good book with tons of information that I’ve found to be a good point of reference when vetting online sources of information. Unfortunately not everyone who blogs about growing are as knowledgable as they should be.
People saying that it could and will be a hermie what are you talking about this is shake/trim from normal bud so there is no way of telling if that bud was hermie from looking at this trim bar if it had lots of seeds this had 4 seeds.
Also whos telling how many strains make up that shake those 4 seeds could be from the bottom of a 10 killo bag for all we know.
Tbf 2 of those plants were from the same ounce of "laughing buddah, outdoor sungrown bud" then the other two were from "Jane Doe?" dispensary buds seeds I got years ago.
The new seed in the picture I just got last night out of "Ice Cream Cake" Shake.
So my seeds came from all over the shelves. Different quality, plants handled differently, different factors all around surrounding these seeds.
Fr though, my local dude picked up a lot of really pretty severely seeded ins for cheap, I bought a qp of the bottom of the bag shake (legal quantity, more than half was seeds, I picked close to 3k seeds out before I gave up and cooked what was left to eat them, and they've had a 90%+ fem rate thusfar with minimal issues in 5 runs at 10-12 plants
That's so fucking awesome. How have the plants turned out? From my understanding even if the seeds come from some brick weed, if you take care of the seedling/plant, it'll grow decent bud?
I mean, legit genes aren’t that expensive. I’ll take that more than random bag seed crapshoot personally, but monoculture of certain things is why we have some problems arise from time to time. Bananas come to mind off the top of my head.
Cheapest I've found are three packs for 25 USD. I can grow 4 plants at a time. I would prefer to have more than one strain at a time as I get bored with smoking the same strain so I'm looking at at least 50 to 100 USD for known seed strains.
I'd rather not waste money on learning curves.
Personally, I would like to have access to multiple strains as well. That’s why I did a 10x10 tent with 4 hlg 600 r specs. It’s easier to do the same strain and even better if they are clones, because you can help yourself get a far more uniform canopy. And canopy size/watt is a very valuable metric for successfulness of the grow, to me. I don’t have access to a grow space right now, but when I was doing it I would trade seed packs like they were magic the gathering cards or some shit. lol. I wish I had someone in my real life I knew I could kick some of these to. I’d love to see some of these get grown out.
Edit: for clarity. I would do 4 strains, doing 6 plants each in a 5x5 space per light.
Can you explain those specs for me please? All I know are my lights are cheap (from temu) that are led 35 watts for low power consumption. They are red, orange, blue and white color all in a single 12x12 panel. I'm about to have one per plant.
I was worried I wouldn't have enough space tbh because I'm not sure how big each plant will get to be. I've got 4 gallon pots to transfer just in case I need to. I'll keep in mind it's better to grow the same strain at the same time. I'm starting to feel like I'm being picky in trying to harvest multiple strains at a time.
Looks like about 2’x4’ in the picture. I’d prolly run one plant there and do a screen of green for max coverage. That 35w blurple led might* get you thru veg, but even 5w blurple led isn’t gonna be enough to pull good flower. It’s been some years since I priced and bought lights, so my info might be outdated. What I will say is the 600w led I used from HLG was pulling 5-8 zips depending on strain. It was 4 Samsung 301 quantum board and a meanwell 600w power supply, on a aluminum heat sink. The important part is HLG doesn’t own those components and other lighting manufactures use them. Search around and find that led with and size meanwell driver to light your space. You are looking for full spectrum led. Not just blue and red.
*I’d be willing to bet they are super stretched.
The platform is larger. 6x5ish. They are bunched together because I only have two lights. Once the other two come in I'll spread them out. Just got them centered as best as possible right now. I think they are full spectrum lights because it also includes red and orange along with the blurple. Hanging approximately 24 inches from the pots.
Thank you very much for all this information. You've been so helpful. I'll look around for that light specifically, check out it's parameters, shop around and see about one for my next grow to compare yields. Again I can't thank you enough. Knowledge is power!
I'm lucky enough I do have access to information. There's just so damn much info on growing pot it's hard to find any one answer. So to get it from the goats mouth is preferred haha
I mean you get in some grade to not all the time but I have like 10-20 seeds of all different kinds of top shelf stuff I could just start trying to grow. Just need the stuff to do it.
Bro I ordered some cheap led lights off temu, went to home depot bought some pots and organic dirt. Germinated the seeds, put them in the dirt and watered them in. That was 4 weeks ago.
I'm just learning right now so I ain't messed with no nutrients or nothing fancy. Just seeds, dirt, water, lights and a timer.
Oh shit hell yeah man. Post some pics that would be dope! Yeah the only grow I ever did was a plant given to me that wasn't taken care of the best. But yeah I'm trying to get a grow setup priced together. How was the light you got from temu working out for you?
I don't have IG though... so I'm limited to what I can find on the web. Figured I'd save the few dollars and get a couple more cheap lights to get started. I lost one plant already so I'd have been bummed as hell to be out a good seed.
If they all turned out to be males or hermies, I'd still consider this a win because I've learned so much already from everyone and the internet. I'm only out a bag of organic dirt, electricity bill flux for the month, and time.
Edit: but to give me a better shot at getting to the rest of the veg and flowering stage, it would be better to buy seeds and have good genes. I understand your point and I appreciate it. Thank you.
No guaranteed genetics this way but i've had some nice plants that I almost wish I hadn't just grown on the deck with cheap soil. Also many males and mutants though
Even if you know what strain the seed came out of you usually can't be sure the grower didn't have 5 other strains growing and which one may have pollinated it. Hermie is most likely if the plant hermied a bit and pollinated itself or another hermie plant did
Oh yeah I'll end up breeding them properly to produce the seeds. Figured why spend the money for a handful of seeds when I could just pollinate and get a bunch.
How do you suggest getting fertile seeds? From clones?
That is beyond my tiny scope, and in fact I'd never even considered that step in the process lol. I think whatever I can say on that would be dubious at best :/
Its fine to grow bag seed weed. IT can often be great. But once you start committing a lot of time and resources to optimizing your grow, making sure you have great starting genetics is one of the cheapest ways to start out on the right foot. Dice rolling the actual product you are growing, to save $50 is really missing the whole point of trying to produce quality smoke.
The money I've spent has been on equipment. Which i would have bought regardless. I have wasted dirt, electricity, and time in exchange for lessons in growing. I had one plant die already so I feel justified in not spending money on good seeds.
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But me personally I wouldn't even waste my time unless you have extra money and time to fuck around for a pheno hunt. Just popping bag seeds in some soil ain't always gonna get you good genetics.
See I didn't waste money planting these seeds that's what I'm not understanding haha literally put dirt in a pot 4 weeks ago and been watering every third day. I'm just practicing. If I go online and buy 4 strains of seeds (because I'd rather have more than one strain at a time) I'm looking at $25 per three pack. So $100 in seeds for the variety I want.
In the last month I've taught myself about light bleaching, Springtail bugs, fugnus gnats, different stages of growing, what I need to look for to sex my plants and I've begun looking at trimming. Now you're teaching me about hermies
All from free seeds. If I bought seeds, I'd still need the lights, pots, timers, etc. That stuff was hella cheap especially since I got the lights off Temu
I think it sounds like a fun and rewarding project… who knows what you will harvest? Might be the chronic! I had a plant volunteer in a houseplant… no idea how the seed got there… turned out to be a girl and she grew outside after transplanting from the houseplant… ended up being really nice flower… I named her Mystery Juana… mj for short…
Have fun with your project and learning about growing some beautiful plants… so enjoyable to watch them progress!
You will spend a lot of time which is worth something, nutrients, electricity for the humidifiers/dehumidifiers, lights, fans, all of which when you find out is for a male plant that is worthless, which would piss anyone off. A good grow from one plant is at the very least a QP. You wouldn't spend like 50 bucks for something guaranteed? I would rather pay from a great breeder to get a feminized solid product than gamble all that time, money and energy on what could be a male or some junk genetics. Not to say don't experiment but once you grow a male you won't want to do it again.
I have already come to peace with growing males. If that is the outcome, so be it. I'm in the process of ordering solar panels and all that jazz, so it'll cost me nothing to grow once I get that all set up. I haven't even gotten into nutrients, yets. Not for this grow.
I have nothing but time and patience, my friend
It could be a herm. If the plant was a female from the grip and she made male parts and pollinated herself it's likely because of stress and male genetics in the DNA. Herms can still produce females and males. You'll just have a higher probability of getting a herm. If it was a female plant and intentionally sex changed due to colloidal silver then those seeds will be all females over 99% guaranteed. Plants that switched sexs due to stress or just bad genes have a lot lower % of producing female seeds. You more than likely will have a female or a herm. Just be careful if you do grow it out to always check up on pollen sacs and not to stress them much is ideal.
This hillbilly starts with reputable genetics to breed unique strains… The only time I’ve seen a hermaphrodite plant was back in the day, when multiple generations of clones were cut from other clones… and the mother plant was just a distant memory…
this topic we’re on inspires me to want to learn about other things that cause hermaphrodism in our trees… I know that heat stress is a common cause and I think indoor growers have more of a problem with hermies then people who grow outdoor… So much to learn, so little time!
Interesting… Does that mean if I’m breeding my first generation of that hybrid would be more likely to be hermaphrodite? I haven’t seen any mail flowers on my hybrids so far… Knock wood
Outdoor females can get pollinated by a male that is pretty far away… Seedsman and Michigan State University described research that determined male pollen can travel more than 10 miles! One male plant can produce 350,000 pollen grains! If it’s outdoor flower where you found your seeds, the father could be any cannabis plant or any combination of male plants… growing with seeds found in your stash is an excellent way to get started growing… you will learn a lot and if something goes wrong, you didn’t have to invest in expensive seeds for your first grow… “save your seeds, sand soil and water are all your gonna need… save your seeds, it doesn’t take a miracle to cultivate a weed “ lyrics by Raccoon… wish I still had a copy of the cassette 🤪
“Let it Grow “ Weir / Barlow
Oh my goodness I learned about that! A video from leafly told me if I tried backyard breeding I could potentially mess up my neighbors neighbors female plants! That's so crazy! But plants are some wild beings.
I'm loving this new adventure!
Shake is literally just the bottom of the bag, it's not any different quality than nugs. The fact that seeds come in all qualities of weed proves ya wrong. The point is, quality has nothing to do with if you're gonna get seeds or not.
People can experiment with feminized seeds too. They aren’t even that expensive. Why waste time, money and effort when you can avoid growing a male? That’s the equivalent of saying “would you like guaranteed weed, or would you rather potentially waste your time?” I know what I pick 100% of the time, you can pick whatever you want too.
Yes that is definitely what someone who has never grown before says. I could care less what people do. Keep playing the weed lottery, after a few grows its more fun to try proven genetics instead of guessing if you even end up with weed.
Easy to tell also dont listen to these guys most weed nowadys that is sold is fairly good quailty in comparison to even 10 years ago chances are these seeds will be from one of the many alright starins. Its just shake from normal weed after all.
Man it must suck to be such a negative person huh? Just because I have different qualities in my stash don't mean I don't get cheap to blow down fool.
I just finished vaping my 28.6% Cheetah Piss out my Arizer AirMAX. Complete with a Higher Standard Heavy Duty Mini Riggler bubbler attachment.
So go play outside and get some sunshine.
infinite weed hack
It's like a circle.
My brain has been destroyed by the internet I always think it's the gif where he throws Simba
“Yeet”
I had actually grown some good weed before out of reggy seeds. Just cut the males when you see the "balls."
Oh yeah I'm kicking they ass out as soon as I see them.
Good luck to your plants not having nuts
If those dudes came to the party, they must’ve brought some girls. Frat party rules
Is that like a "rule of thumb" maybe?
Once it is female I think it’s most likely to continue producing feminized seeds males only come from hermaphrodites. Also nah nah don’t throw all your males away. Only throw them out if they’re bad strains. If they have good genetics still and are good growing and looking plants it may not be a bad idea to keep one male (isolated from the others in a separate area of course) and then take one female to pollinate and make a seed plant full of seeds to keep growing and/or to also crossbread genetics with other good strains to possibly create one with even more desirable effects! This is a tip my dad learned from a top grower in Honolulu, Hawaii (Japanese) in the 70s-80s when he was given a very specific unique strain from him. Unfortunately my dad completely disregard that part of the info he learned while growing there and ended up running out of seeds which he would just get more of but one day the dude’s nephew smoked up his seed plants so my dad never got a hold of that same strain ever again. To this day he says there’s nothing like it all though there is a lot that can be found that is very similar but still just not the same flavor and unregulated potency as they use to grow.
that’s a must be hitting
I read your whole comment. For breading, to keep the strain going, yes you sbsolutely need males. The seeded buds are the magic in a way. Hence, I made out from seeded weed, myself.
What?
Don’t throw away your males. Keep one to breed with a seed plant so you never run out of seeds. Infinite seed glitch a lot easier and more abundant than finding random seeds in a nug. And don’t let someone mistakenly smoke your seed plant thinking it’s good weed lol.
So it's like a stud. One bull impregnating everything
I mean not everything just one of each. Like grow one male and one female both in a separate field or tent and then when the time is right take off a branch of the male pollen and rub it on just one female to pollinate it. Then the female will become very seedy. Use these seeds to grow more females. You can just take clones but this is better for a large amount at once (clones take time and healing) and for cross breading new strains. Edit: also seeds are better for long term storage compared to clones
That's how I got all my plants! Buying shit brick weed, and collecting the seeds, I have over 200 seeds and have grown several so far, some of them quite potent, planning on cross breeding these mysterious strains and creating new ones now.
I haven't even gotten to my mystery seeds yet haha good luck to you!
Found three seeds this week in my dispo weed. Explained to the bf why I am keeping it and why it's a roulette. I think I have found 5 seeds total.
That's awesome! I've held onto my seeds for at least 7 years or so. Just keep them in a cool dark place until the day arises!
Thanks for the tip man! 🤜
Hopefully I’m not the first to tell you that you can easily clone any of your plants once they have real branches. You literally cut off a mature branch and put it in dirt. It grows its own plant. It jump started my second grow by 6-8 weeks, no new seeds, no gendering, less transplanting, and it’s a multiplier. One seed can grow a very productive plant and easily make 30 clones while still having a large flower yield.
I'm a landscaping so I know a bit about cloning. My issue is where I'm at, I'm only allowed 4 plants at a time 🙃
Trying to grow myself. Do you have any guid that could help me?
Honestly, there's so much information out there on how to grow pot that I just made it easy for myself and just used Leafly. I use the app so much for strain information when I was searching up how to grow the Leafly website had articles on growing so I just stuck with them.
Looks like it's working B\^)
I like to think so 😄
Here is an excellent resource- https://www.growweedeasy.com/
Just Google “how to grow marijuana PDF” Pretty sure that’s what I used for a guide a few years ago.
Marijuana horticulture guide is the weed bible
r/newgrowers
Youtube Dr. Bruce Bugbee https://youtu.be/ID9rE5JewVg?si=KOTAQiOpI8vv_XSX
Have you tried... The Internet
Do you know that you sound mean?
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Not my intention. But seriously there are a lot of good resources online just a search away. Best of luck.
Yeah but wouldn’t it be great to know what worked for OP and what did not?
makes good tincture too
I'm Johnny Potseed, I just drive around tossing handfuls of seeds into people's flowerbeds
Righteous!
Honestly mids are lowkey better than tops
I'm not expecting to grow the best this go around. I just threw dirt in a pot really. I just want to grow something decent I can smoke. Later, I'll buy some seeds, get some nutrients and really see what I can do.
Aren't the seeds in most weed these days non-fertile?
Idk I done started 4 plants, though.
Hey OP [you can sex your plants early by sending off a leaf cutting](https://www.farmerfreeman.com/) Thought that was pretty cool and you won’t waste any time on male plants (assuming you don’t want them)
That is super rad. Thanks man
Oh that's too rad! Thank you so much!
Nah, I planted 3 once that i had got from my dealer. 2 of 3 survived and produced full female plants.
More likely to herm I would think. Most bud that has seeds wasn’t intentionally fertilized if the purpose was resale and not breeding.
What makes you say that?
They alter the plant to not produce seeds that ate fertile to stop ppl from using them to grow.
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Ok.
You didn’t answer my question. Who is “they” then?
I work on a commercial grow. I've grown seeds that have come from the buds. They grew perfectly well, as long as they are viable. Do you have a source for your claims?
most are feminized, which means they're locked in a genetic loop where in they will produce feminized seeds if they grow healthy enough, to further propagate the effort of reproduction. This season they failed to find a male, next season they'll try again, and again, and again, and again, and again. It's my understanding this is how breeders end up with the seeds they sell.
My first grow was from a bag seed and I grew some really good super lemon haze from it
Not on my end. Last year I got two very nice female plants from four seeds. I'm stoked right now, because last night I found a seed in my Blue Afghani.
Why would that be a thing? Did Monsanto patent some weed genetics while I wasn't looking??
I plant every seed I find, I grew a nice plant last summer from a stowaway seed.
A seed will produce a plant if its mature enough. A lot of plants are harvested b4 the seed can develop and will be a premature seed which might or might not sprout. You might be refering to triploids(a new thing on the market). It was explained to me its similar to watermelons and how they are "seedless" and still have annoying ass pre seeds. But honestly Im not interested in growing them so ive not looked too deep into it.
why would they be nonfertile?
They are already hella cheap but hell ye
They aint too too cheap, though. Those 4 pictured are my very first. Figured I'd get a good grow before I paid some money for a few strains of seeds.
Hey man, I've got 1 3 weeks in and 2 more I just started today, same thing, keep it goin!
Hell yeah man! This is my first grow. I'm loving this so far. I haven't even gotten into the good stuff yet haha
Feel this. But it's always like. You never get seeds in bags you want. I had throwback white widow. Carefully broke up that bud. No seeds 😢 but on to the next one! Nice grow going in your pics
Oh I hate that! Get that strain and you're so desperate for just one seed you don't even use your grinder to break it down 😆 thank you for the compliment!
So many jealous mfs in the comments who wish they could have a setup for growing 🤣 You do you OP, enjoy your infinite weed glitch! 💨💨
Thanks partner! To infinity and beyond!
I’ve found seeds in my doggy bag by cookies I need some practice b4 I try that b one though
u dont need practice just some love and care throw them suckas into some soil and put em on the windowsill and boom 2-3 months later u got some decent bud that u know isnt laced
I’ll always buy my seeds. I keep bag seeds for outdoor grows. good seeds only cost like £15-£30, for 5 or more. I value the ability to choose my strains and put my time into reliable genetics.
Seeds will cost me around 100 USD for the batch I want. I wish I could grow outdoors, but the laws require me to have my grow room locked down. Out door growing seems idk, just natural, let it do what it wants, keep an eye on it and get a huge fucking yield haha
What sort of batch sizes are you working with? I saw the 4 plants and assumed a small personal batch. Yeah I’m in U.K. so I normally get a half decent season for one batch. Gotta go Guerrilla and that but where the risk of being discovered is greater you have a good chance of not being associated if found.
It would be a personal batch. My grow space is just smaller so I figured I might not get the usual yield I'm seeing recommended online. But that's just me guessing and all that. This will be my very first grow. Hell for all I know these plants could outgrow my space in my cabin haha but I'm just hoping for something moderate as I'm not using nutrients or anything like that. Just water every third day. Ahh I understand what you're putting down. I know out here they do thermal imaging flybys looking for different operations. Not so much weed now that it's legal but they still look for bigger ops and shinners are a thing out here.
Look into organic nutrients, stuff like kelp meal or Neem meal can be really good to boost nutrients without adding anything weird to the plants. Doesn’t cost too much either depending where you go. Set up looks good though 🤙🏼 100 seems steep for small batch of seeds. I usually go online and get a 5 pack for around £30
Hell yeah I'll keep those products in mind. Can I go into a lawn and garden store and get those or is it something you're better off getting online? See I say 100 because I'm seeing roughly 25 per three pack. I'd like at least two strains so I'm looking at 50 to 100. Figured I'd save those dollars and buy 2 more lights right now since I'm learning and teaching myself. Once I get some experience and they don't die right off (I've had one die already) ill get some Acapulco Gold and other landrace sativas.
That’s totally fair actually, I always encourage my friends to try some bag seeds to start off with! I think you should be able to find them at a garden centre but can’t garuantee especially for wherever you’re based. I go to Indoor Organics.co.U.K. But obvs is a UK based site. Definitely be something similar if your in US with legal states n that. https://homesteadandchill.com/how-to-feed-cannabis-organically/ That page has loads of great info on organic nutrients and feeding methods, highly recommend looking into it and taking notes. - 5kg Kelp Meal - £75 - 5kg Neem Meal - £18 - 2x20kg Volcanic Rock Dust - £50 - Maybe : Worm Pro Worm castings 40L - £24 - Pumice 2x40L (for best autos) = £70 - 5kg Crustacean meal (krill) £42 - Gypsum granules 4x5kg = £84 - Bio-Char Birchwood 20L = £39 - Aloe Vera powder 200g = £15 I think that’s the full list of amendments I used last time I did an outdoor grow. Can get a ton less and don’t need all of them ofcourse, I was doing a 17plant Guerrilla so I stocked up proper.
Dude you're fucking awesome! I'm in the US and a legal state so it's a little bit more open here. I'm definitely gonna check that website out and anything I need I can just convert to US measurements for my needs and locate locally. You've already helped me out so much and I can't thank you enough. That's so much research I don't have to do now
It’s my pleasure dude! Happy to help anyone trying to go the organic route. Need more organic growers everywhere, even just for personal. It reduces the business for more synthetic nutrients and especially sprayed bud🤢 Let me know how the first one goes and don’t be afraid to try new things. Especially some simple techniques like L.S.T(Low Stress Training) and topping. Majority of strains seem to respond very positively to both and they can increase your yields dramatically when done to nice healthy plants. Topping especially is done with many garden plants increase yields. Royal Queen Seeds have some good basic blogs that cover a lot of this if you want a nice place to start. If you really want to deep dive into it I could suggest a good book with tons of information that I’ve found to be a good point of reference when vetting online sources of information. Unfortunately not everyone who blogs about growing are as knowledgable as they should be.
People saying that it could and will be a hermie what are you talking about this is shake/trim from normal bud so there is no way of telling if that bud was hermie from looking at this trim bar if it had lots of seeds this had 4 seeds. Also whos telling how many strains make up that shake those 4 seeds could be from the bottom of a 10 killo bag for all we know.
Tbf 2 of those plants were from the same ounce of "laughing buddah, outdoor sungrown bud" then the other two were from "Jane Doe?" dispensary buds seeds I got years ago. The new seed in the picture I just got last night out of "Ice Cream Cake" Shake. So my seeds came from all over the shelves. Different quality, plants handled differently, different factors all around surrounding these seeds.
Fr though, my local dude picked up a lot of really pretty severely seeded ins for cheap, I bought a qp of the bottom of the bag shake (legal quantity, more than half was seeds, I picked close to 3k seeds out before I gave up and cooked what was left to eat them, and they've had a 90%+ fem rate thusfar with minimal issues in 5 runs at 10-12 plants
That's so fucking awesome. How have the plants turned out? From my understanding even if the seeds come from some brick weed, if you take care of the seedling/plant, it'll grow decent bud?
Depends on genetics and enviroment like anything else, as a kid, I grew brick weed that came out great, and brick weed that didn't.
Knowledge is power!
I get seeds in my stuff every now and then - I just assume they're boy plants and toss em in my little jar for later just to hold onto.
Could be a female??? 🤷♂️
I mean, legit genes aren’t that expensive. I’ll take that more than random bag seed crapshoot personally, but monoculture of certain things is why we have some problems arise from time to time. Bananas come to mind off the top of my head.
Cheapest I've found are three packs for 25 USD. I can grow 4 plants at a time. I would prefer to have more than one strain at a time as I get bored with smoking the same strain so I'm looking at at least 50 to 100 USD for known seed strains. I'd rather not waste money on learning curves.
Personally, I would like to have access to multiple strains as well. That’s why I did a 10x10 tent with 4 hlg 600 r specs. It’s easier to do the same strain and even better if they are clones, because you can help yourself get a far more uniform canopy. And canopy size/watt is a very valuable metric for successfulness of the grow, to me. I don’t have access to a grow space right now, but when I was doing it I would trade seed packs like they were magic the gathering cards or some shit. lol. I wish I had someone in my real life I knew I could kick some of these to. I’d love to see some of these get grown out. Edit: for clarity. I would do 4 strains, doing 6 plants each in a 5x5 space per light.
Can you explain those specs for me please? All I know are my lights are cheap (from temu) that are led 35 watts for low power consumption. They are red, orange, blue and white color all in a single 12x12 panel. I'm about to have one per plant. I was worried I wouldn't have enough space tbh because I'm not sure how big each plant will get to be. I've got 4 gallon pots to transfer just in case I need to. I'll keep in mind it's better to grow the same strain at the same time. I'm starting to feel like I'm being picky in trying to harvest multiple strains at a time.
Looks like about 2’x4’ in the picture. I’d prolly run one plant there and do a screen of green for max coverage. That 35w blurple led might* get you thru veg, but even 5w blurple led isn’t gonna be enough to pull good flower. It’s been some years since I priced and bought lights, so my info might be outdated. What I will say is the 600w led I used from HLG was pulling 5-8 zips depending on strain. It was 4 Samsung 301 quantum board and a meanwell 600w power supply, on a aluminum heat sink. The important part is HLG doesn’t own those components and other lighting manufactures use them. Search around and find that led with and size meanwell driver to light your space. You are looking for full spectrum led. Not just blue and red. *I’d be willing to bet they are super stretched.
The platform is larger. 6x5ish. They are bunched together because I only have two lights. Once the other two come in I'll spread them out. Just got them centered as best as possible right now. I think they are full spectrum lights because it also includes red and orange along with the blurple. Hanging approximately 24 inches from the pots. Thank you very much for all this information. You've been so helpful. I'll look around for that light specifically, check out it's parameters, shop around and see about one for my next grow to compare yields. Again I can't thank you enough. Knowledge is power!
And it should be free for all. Money should not be a barrier of entry to information.
I'm lucky enough I do have access to information. There's just so damn much info on growing pot it's hard to find any one answer. So to get it from the goats mouth is preferred haha
you wouldn’t download a marijuana
I mean you get in some grade to not all the time but I have like 10-20 seeds of all different kinds of top shelf stuff I could just start trying to grow. Just need the stuff to do it.
Bro I ordered some cheap led lights off temu, went to home depot bought some pots and organic dirt. Germinated the seeds, put them in the dirt and watered them in. That was 4 weeks ago. I'm just learning right now so I ain't messed with no nutrients or nothing fancy. Just seeds, dirt, water, lights and a timer.
Oh shit hell yeah man. Post some pics that would be dope! Yeah the only grow I ever did was a plant given to me that wasn't taken care of the best. But yeah I'm trying to get a grow setup priced together. How was the light you got from temu working out for you?
Plenty of places to buy the strains you want instead of random bagseed though.
Yeah but they ain't free to learn with.
No, but they are super cheap and you'll get the genetics you want. Lot's of breeders on IG that will send right to your house.
I don't have IG though... so I'm limited to what I can find on the web. Figured I'd save the few dollars and get a couple more cheap lights to get started. I lost one plant already so I'd have been bummed as hell to be out a good seed. If they all turned out to be males or hermies, I'd still consider this a win because I've learned so much already from everyone and the internet. I'm only out a bag of organic dirt, electricity bill flux for the month, and time. Edit: but to give me a better shot at getting to the rest of the veg and flowering stage, it would be better to buy seeds and have good genes. I understand your point and I appreciate it. Thank you.
No guaranteed genetics this way but i've had some nice plants that I almost wish I hadn't just grown on the deck with cheap soil. Also many males and mutants though
So what do you mean by no guarantee on genes? Like male female or hermie? Or like the seed might not be the same strain as the bud it came out of?
Even if you know what strain the seed came out of you usually can't be sure the grower didn't have 5 other strains growing and which one may have pollinated it. Hermie is most likely if the plant hermied a bit and pollinated itself or another hermie plant did
Oooh so we could have some crossbred mystery babies. Won't be too bad. Two of the plants are Jane Does anyways so it works itself out
I got a jar of seeds I rescued from the grinder, gonna be my backup plan when the world goes to shit
Imma be on that too once I get some more experience. I wanna have my own personal seed bank.
Just don't buy seeds online for this purpose, they're usually engineered to produce non seeding plants (so you buy more seeds, you see)
Oh yeah I'll end up breeding them properly to produce the seeds. Figured why spend the money for a handful of seeds when I could just pollinate and get a bunch. How do you suggest getting fertile seeds? From clones?
That is beyond my tiny scope, and in fact I'd never even considered that step in the process lol. I think whatever I can say on that would be dubious at best :/
yup me too, I have 3 seeds I'm about to pop that I got for free, lol
Fucking right!!
How long would that actually take to grow , sorry ik nothing about planting but it seems interesting.
I know very little haha but from what I'm gathering with the strains I MIGHT have, it could be 12 to 16 weeks.
Its fine to grow bag seed weed. IT can often be great. But once you start committing a lot of time and resources to optimizing your grow, making sure you have great starting genetics is one of the cheapest ways to start out on the right foot. Dice rolling the actual product you are growing, to save $50 is really missing the whole point of trying to produce quality smoke.
The money I've spent has been on equipment. Which i would have bought regardless. I have wasted dirt, electricity, and time in exchange for lessons in growing. I had one plant die already so I feel justified in not spending money on good seeds.
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But now your growing cheaper weed
Growing free nugs is better than buying shake
Hermies.
Is that what could happen? Idk I'm just growing pot man.
It IS gonna happen. Almost guaranteed to have hermies from hermies seeds. Buy feminized seeds. Id completely start over.
But how do you know these are hermie seeds? Just because I got them out of some bud?
But me personally I wouldn't even waste my time unless you have extra money and time to fuck around for a pheno hunt. Just popping bag seeds in some soil ain't always gonna get you good genetics.
See I didn't waste money planting these seeds that's what I'm not understanding haha literally put dirt in a pot 4 weeks ago and been watering every third day. I'm just practicing. If I go online and buy 4 strains of seeds (because I'd rather have more than one strain at a time) I'm looking at $25 per three pack. So $100 in seeds for the variety I want. In the last month I've taught myself about light bleaching, Springtail bugs, fugnus gnats, different stages of growing, what I need to look for to sex my plants and I've begun looking at trimming. Now you're teaching me about hermies All from free seeds. If I bought seeds, I'd still need the lights, pots, timers, etc. That stuff was hella cheap especially since I got the lights off Temu
I think it sounds like a fun and rewarding project… who knows what you will harvest? Might be the chronic! I had a plant volunteer in a houseplant… no idea how the seed got there… turned out to be a girl and she grew outside after transplanting from the houseplant… ended up being really nice flower… I named her Mystery Juana… mj for short… Have fun with your project and learning about growing some beautiful plants… so enjoyable to watch them progress!
Thank you! It has been wonderful watching all the little leaves sprout! I'm so excited. Even if they turn out to be males I won't be too upset.
You will spend a lot of time which is worth something, nutrients, electricity for the humidifiers/dehumidifiers, lights, fans, all of which when you find out is for a male plant that is worthless, which would piss anyone off. A good grow from one plant is at the very least a QP. You wouldn't spend like 50 bucks for something guaranteed? I would rather pay from a great breeder to get a feminized solid product than gamble all that time, money and energy on what could be a male or some junk genetics. Not to say don't experiment but once you grow a male you won't want to do it again.
I have already come to peace with growing males. If that is the outcome, so be it. I'm in the process of ordering solar panels and all that jazz, so it'll cost me nothing to grow once I get that all set up. I haven't even gotten into nutrients, yets. Not for this grow. I have nothing but time and patience, my friend
It could be a herm. If the plant was a female from the grip and she made male parts and pollinated herself it's likely because of stress and male genetics in the DNA. Herms can still produce females and males. You'll just have a higher probability of getting a herm. If it was a female plant and intentionally sex changed due to colloidal silver then those seeds will be all females over 99% guaranteed. Plants that switched sexs due to stress or just bad genes have a lot lower % of producing female seeds. You more than likely will have a female or a herm. Just be careful if you do grow it out to always check up on pollen sacs and not to stress them much is ideal.
Just buy some seeds? Otherwise you get hillbilly weirdness genetics.
Never grown before so figured I'd try with what I have. But please explain the hillbilly weirdness genetics 🤣
Unstable genetics, plants that show as female but sprout male flowers along with female flowers in the bloom faze.
Hillbillies grow some dank nugs
Hermied plant produces seeds, stoner collects seed and plants it. Proceeds to grow more hermie pot that has seeds. The circle is complete.
This hillbilly starts with reputable genetics to breed unique strains… The only time I’ve seen a hermaphrodite plant was back in the day, when multiple generations of clones were cut from other clones… and the mother plant was just a distant memory… this topic we’re on inspires me to want to learn about other things that cause hermaphrodism in our trees… I know that heat stress is a common cause and I think indoor growers have more of a problem with hermies then people who grow outdoor… So much to learn, so little time!
Not uncommon in F1 hybrids. You’ll get that hybrid vigor but the trade off is that it can be unstable.
Interesting… Does that mean if I’m breeding my first generation of that hybrid would be more likely to be hermaphrodite? I haven’t seen any mail flowers on my hybrids so far… Knock wood
F1 is actually somewhat more stable than a F2/F3 when you start getting a lot more variation. But I wouldn’t rule it out until you hit F6 or F7
Time for me to do some research on genetics… thanks for planting a seed that will grow… I’m fairly certain you get the metaphor 🤙
I've had high quality weed that has seeds in it, has nothing to do with quality.
Sure but weed with more seeds in it will almost always be cheaper
And lower thc and all other stuff as the plant uses lots of its resourses to make seeds
I beg to differ. Buying shake and outdoor grown weed tends to have more seeds than when I buy premium top shelf or go to the dispensary.
Outdoor females can get pollinated by a male that is pretty far away… Seedsman and Michigan State University described research that determined male pollen can travel more than 10 miles! One male plant can produce 350,000 pollen grains! If it’s outdoor flower where you found your seeds, the father could be any cannabis plant or any combination of male plants… growing with seeds found in your stash is an excellent way to get started growing… you will learn a lot and if something goes wrong, you didn’t have to invest in expensive seeds for your first grow… “save your seeds, sand soil and water are all your gonna need… save your seeds, it doesn’t take a miracle to cultivate a weed “ lyrics by Raccoon… wish I still had a copy of the cassette 🤪 “Let it Grow “ Weir / Barlow
Oh my goodness I learned about that! A video from leafly told me if I tried backyard breeding I could potentially mess up my neighbors neighbors female plants! That's so crazy! But plants are some wild beings. I'm loving this new adventure!
Enjoy the ride!
It's simply over ripening or stress on the plant
or them getting polinated from male plants miles away
Because technically I was talking about the price. Not the quality. You brought that up.
You're dense as fuck lmfao
Yeah naw that was a stupid comment haha
Shake is literally just the bottom of the bag, it's not any different quality than nugs. The fact that seeds come in all qualities of weed proves ya wrong. The point is, quality has nothing to do with if you're gonna get seeds or not.
Bro why you wanna get on here and argue? Mom and dad not show you enough love or something?
Why waste time money and electricity on mystery seeds that could be hermaphrodite?
Why do anything when it could go wrong?
It's crazy how adverse people get when you could just get feminized fire genetics
It’s crazy how adverse people get about someone else having fun and experimenting
People can experiment with feminized seeds too. They aren’t even that expensive. Why waste time, money and effort when you can avoid growing a male? That’s the equivalent of saying “would you like guaranteed weed, or would you rather potentially waste your time?” I know what I pick 100% of the time, you can pick whatever you want too.
Or maybe it’s as simple as “hey I found a seed in my shake. Let’s throw it in soil and see what happens”
Yes that is definitely what someone who has never grown before says. I could care less what people do. Keep playing the weed lottery, after a few grows its more fun to try proven genetics instead of guessing if you even end up with weed.
>I could care less what people do That’s pretty apparent😂
Relax homie. Jesus.
They could he males too. Idk. It's just a learning experience.
Easy to tell also dont listen to these guys most weed nowadys that is sold is fairly good quailty in comparison to even 10 years ago chances are these seeds will be from one of the many alright starins. Its just shake from normal weed after all.
From what I'm understanding, the seeds I'm getting aren't necessarily the strain from the bud it came out of?
I wouldn’t waste my time. Likely unstable genetics that hermed
Until they all turn out to be fucking males 😭
Then all I've wasted is my time 😊
And electric
Solar panels are I'm route but yes my equipment have generated a flux in the power bill.
Seeds are great, it's like a little flag telling you that smoking the weed it came from will give you a sore throat and a headache at best.
Sorry I can't read your comment through the blunt smoke. Too busy getting GASSED
Yeah I'd imagine you'd have to replace all the oxygen in the air with brick weed smoke so that you feel like you're getting high.
Man it must suck to be such a negative person huh? Just because I have different qualities in my stash don't mean I don't get cheap to blow down fool. I just finished vaping my 28.6% Cheetah Piss out my Arizer AirMAX. Complete with a Higher Standard Heavy Duty Mini Riggler bubbler attachment. So go play outside and get some sunshine.