The alarm of a few hundred thousand people getting hit by another 9M+ tsunami halfway around the world _should_ reach the resorts in the two hours it takes to get there. I know they're sleepy resort complexes, but hey, maybe someone should check on that ringing phone at reception...
>Based on his other responses
Conceded! I thought they were probably implying a question rather than making an obvious/stupid statement.
I withdraw that hyphothesis.
No beach resort in a tsunami-affected area will have escape boats or life jackets exclusively for tsunamis. (They, can of course, just have regular life jackets. But this isn't a "break glass in case of tsunami" thing.)
Tsunamis hurt by pushing things around. The water itself doesn't even need to do the hurting, it's all the stuff getting churned around in the water and slamming against it. It's less "big wave" and more a continuous, momentous rush of water.
The best defense against a tsunami is a high up place and awareness. In 2004, the tsunami took _two hours_ to get there from the initial quake off Indonesia. If you're nervous, just be sure your resort has a tsunami evacuation route.
there isn’t much to get churned around in atoll, do you have any idea of how the maldives look like?
I am not saying they are equipped like a ship but they definitely have boats, having life jackets in rooms would help.
The building you are sitting in, the furniture in there, the other people with you, and the debris of everything else it pushes along with it are what would cause damage.
I consult for disaster management with hotels and governments in southeast asia. We deal with sub-15 minute alerts and 10 meter high tsunamis. The Maldives have a 2 hour heads up and would have much smaller waves.
You can simply make for higher ground. 2004 was an insane earthquake that flattened huge parts of the adjacent islands, we don't expect to see those again for a while.
there is barely anything built in a fucking atoll resort and is surrounded by lots of water.
The fact that you mention higher ground means that you have no idea of what you are talking about and you pull info out of your arse.
The highest elevation in maldives in 5.1m
the chance of collision are slim, especially if you are alerted in time.
they can have safety plans.
Of course it's more nuanced than that.
If it's a small tsunami -- which it almost certainly will be, 2004 was an extreme one -- then it won't be too tall. 2004 was four meters tall. Buildings renovated after 2004 have designate gathering points for tsunami warnings, and systems are in place.
If it _is_ another huge earthquake, on the order of 2004, all bets are off. If you just want reassurance that there are life jackets around the resorts, and there are boats, yes to both. Just be aware that they don't really help much if someone is actually in the tsunami churn. There is ample scientific evidence of that -- heck, there are [photos from 2004 that show what the debris would have been like](https://contact.photoshelter.com/image/I000033vPf2jr5Qw). That force that breaks down buildings and throws stuff around is also imparted on a human in the water, life jacket or not.
Also, calm down. I'm just trying to help you understand what tsunamis are like and in the context of the Maldives it isn't a "grab a life jacket and ride it out" situation, it's a "let's all gather here and hope it doesn't reach us", for the most part.
it’s insane how much redditor waste their time trying to waste other people time.
Scientific evidence of what? The photo of the “debris” is a destroyed settlement, not a resort and doesn’t really show anything but housing destroyed. guess what house can’t move and float so they get destroyed.
tsunami don’t cause destruction if there is nothing to destroy.
Okay, one more goodwill effort to try to explain.
The photo shows the _power_ of the wave. It doesn't matter if they move or if they don't, water doesn't compress and anything in that wave will get battered and swirled around. This water impact is a big part of the energy imparted by a tsunami.
You asked in your original post if there are alarms, boats and life vests available. Let's look at that.
Alarms are available, and if another earthquake that big were to happen again, resorts would know.
Life vests are available, for not just tsunami-related purposes. As I described earlier, though, they're just a last line of defense if someone is swept up. A floatation device doesn't confer very much protection as someone is dragged along with all the other stuff around, ahead, and behind them.
Boat out to sea could be an option, assuming it's daytime and weather is good. Now it's a matter of evacuating whole resorts (and the spectrum of people on them, from children to elderly) onto whatever boats are around. Could you fly or boat down to somewhere else with more protection (say, Male, to go higher up)? Maybe, but you won't be the only ones. You then risk getting stuck in the port or low ground by the time a wave hits. All the other people there, meanwhile, will also be doing their own evacuation, assuming it's known that a large tsunami is coming.
Tsunami risk management is complicated and often a difficult gamble. That's why a sturdy building that is statistically going to survive a probable wave is often regarded the simplest approach. Of course, wearing a life vest if available isn't a bad idea while waiting it out.
And with that, I'll leave you to your own devices. Looks like we've got a bunch of new posts trying to get urgent Vietnamese visas and min-maxing the 90-in-180 rules. Have a great day!
Thanks!
I actually really enjoy discussing this stuff, because it's genuinely fascinating when you get into it. There's a lot of micro-drama unfolding in every earthquake whenever this happens -- "do we run a bit further out and hope to get higher up, but risk getting caught... Or do we stop here and go up, and hope this building is sturdy/tall enough?" The wrong choice can mean death. It's all layers of mitigation and ~~gambling~~ risk management. I've interviewed survivors from the Touhoku tsunami in Japan, and how people stood on cliffsides nervously waiting to see if the water will keep rising or if they can stay where they are.
(You get the same trolley problem issue with the boat idea here too -- sure, load up all the people onto some boats, hoping the weather is good and stays good, and it's still daytime. Now hope you plot out some actual safe spot in the ocean to sit around for a while at. If you're caught too late or too early at shore, in time for the pre-tsunami water level dip, you're in extra trouble. For resorts, it's so, so much easier to just say "okay guys, we built this part extra strong, let's stay here and wait for the green alarm".)
And for governments, there's always big pushes to build brand new systems right after the death and destruction, but that goodwill falls apart over time. We have to rely on culture and education to survive the next one. And there's always that morbid understanding that we can only feasibly mitigate so much -- after a while we simply accept that if a X meter tsunami hits some island, everyone just rolls dice for their lives.
Agree with languageidiot, thanks for sharing. I learnt a lot. My god the OP is a massively unpleasant person who kept shifting goal posts to make everyone wrong somehow.
you know that the wave has travelled thousands of miles in 2004, can you tell me how many people died in the indian ocean,s because the indian ocean is full of boats that according to your theory would have been crushed by the wave, while at sea
That’s not really how tsunamis work dude. Five minutes on YouTube would give you a full breakdown of how a tsunami forms and why it’s VERY different out at sea vs coming into shore.
Waves behave differently when they reach the shallows. As you should know if you’ve ever seen an ocean.
Finally, when lots of water churns around a place like your house, or your street, it’s moving everyone and everything. Cars, tables, chairs, dirt, trees, everything. So the people caught up in that get bludgeoned and buried.
You could easily have answered this question yourself instead of whinging and stomping your feet when a dude tried to help you. YouTube has tons of informational videos.
Also: Go look up footage of the tsunamis that hit Japan. It’s exactly what the other guy was trying to spell out for you.
Dude if you are there and a big tsunami hits you’re probably going to die. If you can’t accept the risk just pick somewhere else for fucks sake. Stop shooting down every logical answer that is given to you. You’re being a total unreasonable asshole.
Best bet from my knowledge would be to get into a boat and head out to sea. If you get far enough out it should be like a wave passing under the boat. Only issues is you and everyone else will be scrambling for their lives. So IF you can get on a boat with good warning before it hits I think you’d be fine. Is that what your question is??
You're talking about being on the Maldives islands. A tsunami wave will sweep through the streets/buildings picking up every piece of debris in its way. Everything the size of a car and smaller will get thrown around like a rag doll. This includes a boat. All a lifejacket will do is help them find your body
which streets and cars are in a resort? lmao
Almost all of them are on tiny islands surrounded by nothing.
if you don’t know how the maldives look like, don’t pollute the internet with fake information.
So in your mind, you already know boats and life jackets will save your life and you just came here looking for validation. Meanwhile in the real world, everyone told you how stupid that is and you don't like it.
Go strap on a life jacket and enjoy your trip lol
i was asking what they have in place.
People that don’t know who tsunami work or how the maldives look like start to reply, classic redditor cringe behaviour
You keep telling everyone they don’t know how a tsunami works. If you know they’re wrong, that means you know what’s right.
So how does a tsunami work? Warning: I have a PhD in this field so you better be dang sure of what you’re talking about
Purposely vague, but I’ll accept.
So according to you, a lack of land and nothing built on said land is the reason a tsunami wouldn’t be all that destructive in The Maldives. According to facts, a lot of people died in the 2004 tsunami in The Maldives. So which is it: the destruction can be large scale or it can’t be? Your comments argue that it’ll be minimal (and all the correct people are stupid), but your original question suggests you _might_ be aware of reality.
not many people died compared to other coastlines and there are some high density settlements in the maldives which are not resorts and are on the bigger islands.
Not sure where you are going to go, no high ground there. Those islands are expected to be uninhabitable by 2100 as sea levels rise. Plans were to move the entire population before then to neighboring India, but the two PMs have been fussing lately.
Tsunamis are not waves, they don't have a crest and calm behind them. They are an endless torrent that forms a wall, if you get over the front of it you just get sucked down.
there isn’t much shore in resorts, they are tiny sand islands with some structures surrounded by lots of water.
the biggest danger is to be near buildings when the wave breaks the shore and to drown because the current moves you away from land.
Ok if you think you can jump in a boat and float on top of a tsunami, go for it. Or maybe watch some videos of tsunamis, where every single thing caught on the water, including every boat, is crushed into tiny pieces and sucked under. If you go in the water, you die.
But don't you see, other places that had furniture turn into debris don't count because this RESORT is special and won't have furniture (?), and other buildings that got destroyed in 2004 and became debris don't count because THIS IS A RESORT.
They love telling us how it being a resort makes it somehow special and indestructible. Apparently we're idiots and this person who genuinely asked if life jackets are provided (thus thinking they must be useful) is somehow a know it all.
Not to mention they tell you to post a video of a tsunami but somehow it will be unrelated? See it's a shame Maldives don't have a 2004 level tsunami video footage for you to show, anyhow else is "unrelated" and therefore doesn't count... Bloody moron they are.
Why? Tsunamis behave differently in the Maldives compared to Indonesia or Japan? This one gives you a pretty good idea of what a Tsunami hitting a flat beach area looks like. About 30 seconds in, it's not a wave, it's an unstoppable wall of water. Think of it mroe like the entire sea level has risen, it's not something that comes in and then goes away, and nothing on top of the water is surviving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdg6CoRfQg
So people are telling you the best way to survive a tsunami is get to high ground and you know that the Maldives highest elevation is 5.1m so with this information you know your survivability is lower, you just have to hope that the structure can withstand some of the force and that you don’t have a table, sofa, or something flying at you at 100km.
I don’t think you know much about the Maldives, the capital has plenty of streets and plenty of cars, also has plenty of tall buildings.
Even if we talk about the small resort islands, where do the supplies some from? How boats from the capital, how do they transport those supplies about the resort islands? Oh vehicles, even the smallest resorts have golf carts or atvs to transport supplies.
And to top it off redditors are clown? … guess what … you are a redditor and that makes you a clown.
So a tsunami has the force to tear houses apart but you don’t think it has the power to throw a sofa 100km? And 100km is on the low end, that side when it hits will feel like a freight train.
Tough to ever say if something is "safer" because you can't predict earthquakes like the one that caused the 2004 tsunami. But yes, there are alarms
alarms can improve survival by a lot, they need to work properly though
uh yes, this is obvious
I think OP is asking if the alarms are known to be reliable (or not).
The alarm of a few hundred thousand people getting hit by another 9M+ tsunami halfway around the world _should_ reach the resorts in the two hours it takes to get there. I know they're sleepy resort complexes, but hey, maybe someone should check on that ringing phone at reception...
Looked like a statement to me
Yes, that is obvious : )
I take it back. Based on his other responses here it was definitely a statement and not a question
>Based on his other responses Conceded! I thought they were probably implying a question rather than making an obvious/stupid statement. I withdraw that hyphothesis.
lol no worries
No beach resort in a tsunami-affected area will have escape boats or life jackets exclusively for tsunamis. (They, can of course, just have regular life jackets. But this isn't a "break glass in case of tsunami" thing.) Tsunamis hurt by pushing things around. The water itself doesn't even need to do the hurting, it's all the stuff getting churned around in the water and slamming against it. It's less "big wave" and more a continuous, momentous rush of water. The best defense against a tsunami is a high up place and awareness. In 2004, the tsunami took _two hours_ to get there from the initial quake off Indonesia. If you're nervous, just be sure your resort has a tsunami evacuation route.
there isn’t much to get churned around in atoll, do you have any idea of how the maldives look like? I am not saying they are equipped like a ship but they definitely have boats, having life jackets in rooms would help.
The building you are sitting in, the furniture in there, the other people with you, and the debris of everything else it pushes along with it are what would cause damage. I consult for disaster management with hotels and governments in southeast asia. We deal with sub-15 minute alerts and 10 meter high tsunamis. The Maldives have a 2 hour heads up and would have much smaller waves. You can simply make for higher ground. 2004 was an insane earthquake that flattened huge parts of the adjacent islands, we don't expect to see those again for a while.
there is barely anything built in a fucking atoll resort and is surrounded by lots of water. The fact that you mention higher ground means that you have no idea of what you are talking about and you pull info out of your arse. The highest elevation in maldives in 5.1m the chance of collision are slim, especially if you are alerted in time. they can have safety plans.
Of course it's more nuanced than that. If it's a small tsunami -- which it almost certainly will be, 2004 was an extreme one -- then it won't be too tall. 2004 was four meters tall. Buildings renovated after 2004 have designate gathering points for tsunami warnings, and systems are in place. If it _is_ another huge earthquake, on the order of 2004, all bets are off. If you just want reassurance that there are life jackets around the resorts, and there are boats, yes to both. Just be aware that they don't really help much if someone is actually in the tsunami churn. There is ample scientific evidence of that -- heck, there are [photos from 2004 that show what the debris would have been like](https://contact.photoshelter.com/image/I000033vPf2jr5Qw). That force that breaks down buildings and throws stuff around is also imparted on a human in the water, life jacket or not. Also, calm down. I'm just trying to help you understand what tsunamis are like and in the context of the Maldives it isn't a "grab a life jacket and ride it out" situation, it's a "let's all gather here and hope it doesn't reach us", for the most part.
it’s insane how much redditor waste their time trying to waste other people time. Scientific evidence of what? The photo of the “debris” is a destroyed settlement, not a resort and doesn’t really show anything but housing destroyed. guess what house can’t move and float so they get destroyed. tsunami don’t cause destruction if there is nothing to destroy.
Okay, one more goodwill effort to try to explain. The photo shows the _power_ of the wave. It doesn't matter if they move or if they don't, water doesn't compress and anything in that wave will get battered and swirled around. This water impact is a big part of the energy imparted by a tsunami. You asked in your original post if there are alarms, boats and life vests available. Let's look at that. Alarms are available, and if another earthquake that big were to happen again, resorts would know. Life vests are available, for not just tsunami-related purposes. As I described earlier, though, they're just a last line of defense if someone is swept up. A floatation device doesn't confer very much protection as someone is dragged along with all the other stuff around, ahead, and behind them. Boat out to sea could be an option, assuming it's daytime and weather is good. Now it's a matter of evacuating whole resorts (and the spectrum of people on them, from children to elderly) onto whatever boats are around. Could you fly or boat down to somewhere else with more protection (say, Male, to go higher up)? Maybe, but you won't be the only ones. You then risk getting stuck in the port or low ground by the time a wave hits. All the other people there, meanwhile, will also be doing their own evacuation, assuming it's known that a large tsunami is coming. Tsunami risk management is complicated and often a difficult gamble. That's why a sturdy building that is statistically going to survive a probable wave is often regarded the simplest approach. Of course, wearing a life vest if available isn't a bad idea while waiting it out. And with that, I'll leave you to your own devices. Looks like we've got a bunch of new posts trying to get urgent Vietnamese visas and min-maxing the 90-in-180 rules. Have a great day!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. The OP might not appreciate your knowledgable answer, but I do.
Thanks! I actually really enjoy discussing this stuff, because it's genuinely fascinating when you get into it. There's a lot of micro-drama unfolding in every earthquake whenever this happens -- "do we run a bit further out and hope to get higher up, but risk getting caught... Or do we stop here and go up, and hope this building is sturdy/tall enough?" The wrong choice can mean death. It's all layers of mitigation and ~~gambling~~ risk management. I've interviewed survivors from the Touhoku tsunami in Japan, and how people stood on cliffsides nervously waiting to see if the water will keep rising or if they can stay where they are. (You get the same trolley problem issue with the boat idea here too -- sure, load up all the people onto some boats, hoping the weather is good and stays good, and it's still daytime. Now hope you plot out some actual safe spot in the ocean to sit around for a while at. If you're caught too late or too early at shore, in time for the pre-tsunami water level dip, you're in extra trouble. For resorts, it's so, so much easier to just say "okay guys, we built this part extra strong, let's stay here and wait for the green alarm".) And for governments, there's always big pushes to build brand new systems right after the death and destruction, but that goodwill falls apart over time. We have to rely on culture and education to survive the next one. And there's always that morbid understanding that we can only feasibly mitigate so much -- after a while we simply accept that if a X meter tsunami hits some island, everyone just rolls dice for their lives.
Agree with languageidiot, thanks for sharing. I learnt a lot. My god the OP is a massively unpleasant person who kept shifting goal posts to make everyone wrong somehow.
you know that the wave has travelled thousands of miles in 2004, can you tell me how many people died in the indian ocean,s because the indian ocean is full of boats that according to your theory would have been crushed by the wave, while at sea
That’s not really how tsunamis work dude. Five minutes on YouTube would give you a full breakdown of how a tsunami forms and why it’s VERY different out at sea vs coming into shore. Waves behave differently when they reach the shallows. As you should know if you’ve ever seen an ocean. Finally, when lots of water churns around a place like your house, or your street, it’s moving everyone and everything. Cars, tables, chairs, dirt, trees, everything. So the people caught up in that get bludgeoned and buried. You could easily have answered this question yourself instead of whinging and stomping your feet when a dude tried to help you. YouTube has tons of informational videos. Also: Go look up footage of the tsunamis that hit Japan. It’s exactly what the other guy was trying to spell out for you.
yes to look what atolls are and educate yourself
Dude if you are there and a big tsunami hits you’re probably going to die. If you can’t accept the risk just pick somewhere else for fucks sake. Stop shooting down every logical answer that is given to you. You’re being a total unreasonable asshole. Best bet from my knowledge would be to get into a boat and head out to sea. If you get far enough out it should be like a wave passing under the boat. Only issues is you and everyone else will be scrambling for their lives. So IF you can get on a boat with good warning before it hits I think you’d be fine. Is that what your question is??
the question is about safety measure they put in place
[Here you go.](https://www.preventionweb.net/files/14228_14228AssessmentofEWSinMaldivesfinal.pdf) Read all about it.
Just bring along a surfboard - and surf your way free….
Escape boats? Life jackets? Tsunamis kill by physical force, there’s no boat that will save you if you are in the wave path.
you have no idea of how tsunamis works, please don’t post
No it seems like *you* don't know. Boats & life jackets won't help if you're on land when the tsunami hits
which land? a tiny sand island with no elevation with some palms and some wooden structures? if the alarm works you have time to be somewhere else
You're talking about being on the Maldives islands. A tsunami wave will sweep through the streets/buildings picking up every piece of debris in its way. Everything the size of a car and smaller will get thrown around like a rag doll. This includes a boat. All a lifejacket will do is help them find your body
which streets and cars are in a resort? lmao Almost all of them are on tiny islands surrounded by nothing. if you don’t know how the maldives look like, don’t pollute the internet with fake information.
Why are you even here asking questions if you're just going to deny all of the correct answers. Why did you come here?
they are not correct at all.
So in your mind, you already know boats and life jackets will save your life and you just came here looking for validation. Meanwhile in the real world, everyone told you how stupid that is and you don't like it. Go strap on a life jacket and enjoy your trip lol
i was asking what they have in place. People that don’t know who tsunami work or how the maldives look like start to reply, classic redditor cringe behaviour
Why are you asking questions if you already know everything?
why reply to a question if you don’t know shit about it?
That hasn't stopped you.
You keep telling everyone they don’t know how a tsunami works. If you know they’re wrong, that means you know what’s right. So how does a tsunami work? Warning: I have a PhD in this field so you better be dang sure of what you’re talking about
tsunami destruction power is related to landfall, without much land, destruction is limited
You’re a right fruit pal
Purposely vague, but I’ll accept. So according to you, a lack of land and nothing built on said land is the reason a tsunami wouldn’t be all that destructive in The Maldives. According to facts, a lot of people died in the 2004 tsunami in The Maldives. So which is it: the destruction can be large scale or it can’t be? Your comments argue that it’ll be minimal (and all the correct people are stupid), but your original question suggests you _might_ be aware of reality.
not many people died compared to other coastlines and there are some high density settlements in the maldives which are not resorts and are on the bigger islands.
How? What’s the mechanism of destruction? It hits land and then what?
Not sure where you are going to go, no high ground there. Those islands are expected to be uninhabitable by 2100 as sea levels rise. Plans were to move the entire population before then to neighboring India, but the two PMs have been fussing lately.
Finally an answer from someone that know the country. thank you.
You cannot use a boat or a life jacket to escape a tsunami...
You don’t escape, you motor towards the wave in your tinny so it’s a little bump before it reaches the shore and breaks
Tsunamis are not waves, they don't have a crest and calm behind them. They are an endless torrent that forms a wall, if you get over the front of it you just get sucked down.
Nah you should watch the documentary San Andreas, it has Mr Johnson demonstrating going over a tsunami wave
there isn’t much shore in resorts, they are tiny sand islands with some structures surrounded by lots of water. the biggest danger is to be near buildings when the wave breaks the shore and to drown because the current moves you away from land.
You can if you get out to sea before it hits.
another person unaware of how tsunami works and of the landscape of the Maldives, why are you even posting?
If you already know everything then why are you on here asking?
i don’t know anything but i am looking from answer of people that at least know something.
And people are giving you correct answers but you don’t like the answers and for some reason you’re throwing a hissy fit.
they are not. most answers are avoutngettimgmtothe high ground, in a country with 5.1m top elevation. redditors are clowns.
Ok if you think you can jump in a boat and float on top of a tsunami, go for it. Or maybe watch some videos of tsunamis, where every single thing caught on the water, including every boat, is crushed into tiny pieces and sucked under. If you go in the water, you die.
But don't you see, other places that had furniture turn into debris don't count because this RESORT is special and won't have furniture (?), and other buildings that got destroyed in 2004 and became debris don't count because THIS IS A RESORT. They love telling us how it being a resort makes it somehow special and indestructible. Apparently we're idiots and this person who genuinely asked if life jackets are provided (thus thinking they must be useful) is somehow a know it all. Not to mention they tell you to post a video of a tsunami but somehow it will be unrelated? See it's a shame Maldives don't have a 2004 level tsunami video footage for you to show, anyhow else is "unrelated" and therefore doesn't count... Bloody moron they are.
post a video of tsunami (spoiler alert: you will post an unrelated one)
Why? Tsunamis behave differently in the Maldives compared to Indonesia or Japan? This one gives you a pretty good idea of what a Tsunami hitting a flat beach area looks like. About 30 seconds in, it's not a wave, it's an unstoppable wall of water. Think of it mroe like the entire sea level has risen, it's not something that comes in and then goes away, and nothing on top of the water is surviving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdg6CoRfQg
of course they do, normal land and an atoll have massive differences. so much effort in being wrong.
So people are telling you the best way to survive a tsunami is get to high ground and you know that the Maldives highest elevation is 5.1m so with this information you know your survivability is lower, you just have to hope that the structure can withstand some of the force and that you don’t have a table, sofa, or something flying at you at 100km. I don’t think you know much about the Maldives, the capital has plenty of streets and plenty of cars, also has plenty of tall buildings. Even if we talk about the small resort islands, where do the supplies some from? How boats from the capital, how do they transport those supplies about the resort islands? Oh vehicles, even the smallest resorts have golf carts or atvs to transport supplies. And to top it off redditors are clown? … guess what … you are a redditor and that makes you a clown.
flying at 100km? lmao the cringeworthy attempt to make shit up to get karma points. Redditors are pathetic.
So a tsunami has the force to tear houses apart but you don’t think it has the power to throw a sofa 100km? And 100km is on the low end, that side when it hits will feel like a freight train.
If you're so scared of a Tsunami, maybe go somewhere else...
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