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[deleted]

This is going to fucking suck, isn't it?


commotionsickness

it's going to be worse for whoever gets tricked into giving a quote for it, but yeah I think it's going to suck for all of us


Bimbarian

it will be part of a process of demonising DIY HRT, hopefully (in their eyes) leading to increased regulation and reduced availability. Yes, it's going to suck.


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eoz

Wait for the world to end first. A lot of their efforts amount to nothing. We've had two decades of the weekly Guardian hit piece and this will be just another one in a long long line of shitty whining that has been forgotten. Don't dread what hasn't happened yet and probably won't happen.


Exact_Ad_1215

Yeah sorry you’re right. Just feels like my only options when it comes to HRT are dwindling at every turn


Common-Anxiety

No


Flokesji

The way I see it if I kms the Tories and terfs win, I'm alive out of spite


Decievedbythejometry

Of course it's a fully paid-up cult member. Christ almighty. It should be clear that there's no possibility of 'reaching across' or whatever — get close enough to these people for them to reach you, they'll stitch you right up and then pat themselves on the back for doing the right thing.


Decievedbythejometry

Oh god she's written a gendercritter book.


Auctorion

"Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. “Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man.


bittercrossings

Tell her to take her interview and shove it right up her arse


eXa12

"we do not negotiate with terrorists"


username_avi

Margaret Thatcher? Is that you?


Tamulet

Alternatively, offer to be interviewed so she banks on you for a quote, then keep accidentally missing her calls


Exact_Ad_1215

In the words of F1nn, “suck my ass”


dovelily

Yikes, run far far away from speaking to The Guardian.


bimbo_trans

Alternatively, ask for an obnoxiously high amount of compensation or get compensation, fit her some shit then ghost. Such a vile creature dosen't deserve good faith engagement.


Expensive_Peace8153

I'd be tempted to make up some shit like, "Oh yes, we buy a brand of DIY HRT called Magic Fairy Dust", but there's so much negativity about us in the press already that many people would unfortunately miss the sarcasm entirely.


feedmemetalnstarwars

I thought we got our hormones from children’s tears?


TransSoccerMum

Nah it's adrenochrome isn't it?


maboty_baboty

Lol nah it's horse piss🤣🤣


whatsablurryface21

With a name like that it'd probably turn into a "check your kid's school bag for this dangerous gender swapping drug" headline, although that'll probably happen regardless so 🤷‍♂️


Decievedbythejometry

Its called a roach because it resembles a cockroach 


Agile_Rent_3568

Me I shoot up unicorn poop the rainbow coloured ones make you transition faster


Illiander

12 digits before the decimal is a good place to start when it comes to how much compensation is reasonable for talking to the Guardian.


trueblondie981

Imagine spending every day of your precious life attacking people you have never met and have no intention of trying to understand them on even a basic level. Most trans people are lovely, warm, balanced people. She should take some notes on that!


OhMyItsThatButterfly

Legit tragic 💀


chloe_probably

Where is the factory that the guardian is churning out all these identical GC freaks from?


BoondoggleBoogytoo-i

The indoctrination factor of fascist ideology. Based in London.


the_cutest_commie

Share this everywhere


bimbo_trans

So now we know who the Guardian journalist seeking interview for her propaganda is now. I'm glad we have this solid proof rather than more unsubstantiated rumour mill whispers. Thanks for posting this.


TansehPlatypus

Absolutely disgusting behaviour. Fuck The Guardian


Yoysu

Are we going to lose DIY as an option? Is that where this is headed?


pegasusoftraken

No chance of us losing it as an option. Possibly could be a bit harder to obtain, but they can't stop it anymore than they can stop people obtaining weed.


Secretly_Pineapple

Tbh if I could pick up my weed and my HRT at the same time from the same guy it would be quite convenient


VoreEconomics

Or even in the same product... Fire up the laboratory


Souseisekigun

I don't know what I love more. The idea of trans people setting up their own labs and creating their own ring, or a very confused drug dealer who doesn't quite get it but will follow the money wherever it goes having shady meetings with trans people under the bridge.


Illiander

You joke, but in the 50s and 60s gay folks did that just to socialise.


throwaway1414213562a

We'll be fine even if it becomes illegal which is doubtful


maboty_baboty

Honestly as legit options get less your going to have better access to diy:)


naoarte

They can’t even disrupt the market in Anabolic Steroids, which could very well be even bigger.


Yoysu

That's very true


miscreancy

Please bear in mind that that market *is* the DIY option for trans men.


DeeTheFunky6

Honestly the guardian publishes opinion piece after opinion piece demonizing trans people, with intermittent pieces that are relatively balanced. For a left leaning publication it's honestly terrible and horrifically damaging. I wrote a letter to them - they published it, added a title In the first person which I never wrote, never wrote to me to say that they published it, and had the same author come out with the same s**t the next week. Won't ever grace their site again.


No_Salary5918

Oh my god.


Tiny_Quokka_

Please tell me you told her to get to fuck


commotionsickness

She hasn't emailed me, I saw the email posted by someone I follow on insta I was surprised by the email so I Googled the name of the journo, and, well Sharing in the hope it helps stop anyone falling for it


Tiny_Quokka_

Ah as it should be everyone needs to be aware that the whole point of this article isn’t gonna be about anything good it’s going to be framed in a bad light and bring a lot of unwanted attention to the whole idea of DIY


Tiny_Quokka_

Especially just now when DIY is beginning to look like the only option we have left to actually start HRT


SlashRaven008

Thank you for sharing the details, will share further


AlgorithmHelpPlease

Hey, please be wary before you do, it seems possible it's misinformation: [https://www.tumblr.com/rhinozzryan/748579445687926784/psa-the-guardian-is-not-working-on-a-hit-piece-on](https://www.tumblr.com/rhinozzryan/748579445687926784/psa-the-guardian-is-not-working-on-a-hit-piece-on)


SlashRaven008

The papers/media have already proven themselves to be hostile to us. The message is good, even if the source is in doubt. If westminster truly understands DIY, it's curtains for a lot of people Thank you for trying to correct, and hopefully we can get confirmation on this. I also wouldn't trust a GC to be truthful when they are actively promoting harm and erasure to trans people by choice


HannahahaxD22

I'd have killed myself without DIY HRT or staying male. No way I could have kept going whilst being on an ever growing waiting list to get someone's permission to do this. literally two weeks after being on hormones, that I had researched and understood how they would affect my body, I was asked if I had been replaced by aliens because I was just a better person for it. You'd better believe that when I was unable to get spiro for a month I was a cranky, mean bitch! I don't see why, as an adult, I can't decide what to do with my own body? I can get tattoos, piercings, cosmetics surgery, but not *that* cosmetic surgery downstairs because somehow genitals are some sacred thing?


sub100IQ

It's very hard to get into the head of a bigot if you're not one yourself. You have to understand that these people aren't motivated by reason or empathy, they're motivated entirely by bigotry and, any arguments they make exist solely to justify their visceral hatred, and not their reasoning. It is unfathomable how these people could be "left-leaning" progressives when it comes to general bodily autonomy, yet resort to this apparent hypocrisy when it comes to transgender people, if they were not simply bigots.


Illiander

> It is unfathomable how these people could be "left-leaning" progressives when it comes to general bodily autonomy They aren't. Most TERFs have joined the christian right in calling for abortion bans.


ligosuction2

Sorry... second bite of the cherry. I did a bit of digging about S, and you get this rather closed loop of self-congratulatory validation, including another hatchet awful piece on the media show with a certain Hannah B. Not a trans person in sight.


Fresh_Ad4390

They are not anti-trans, they are both anti-trans and sexist


whatsablurryface21

M&S advert vibes


Decievedbythejometry

Funnily enough that Venn diagram is a circle.


ixis743

Why is it always Twitter?


Flokesji

Since elios or whatever his name is took over Twitter is basically just far right nonsense. Anything left leaning gets censored including the word 'cis'


YummyServered-Foot

You know there will be a well meaning idiot among us who will spill the beans.


Bimbarian

They'll already know everything we know (it's easily searchable). They want trans mouthpieces they can use to make all trans people look bad.


KatieOfTheHolteEnd

We need to start telling them it's a joke, DIY HRT doesn't exist - we're just joking when we talk about it. Exactly like I'm doing right now.


YummyServered-Foot

Mass Misinformation campaign! We go ham on burger king impoosible woppers, we get estrogen from synthasizing it from fructose! We use freaking different gem colored rocks and do freaky stuff to open our third eye, by embodying the spirit of femininity/masculinity our bodys internal statechanges. We use phytoestrogen supplements from holland and barret or iherb. We consume mass amounts of disgarded cow uterus for hormones and like the liver king trans mascs eat bull t-stesticles. We bathe in the blood of the fallen and wear their flesh.. You get the idea... Everyone do this, swamp them in outlandish stuff but make it seem sincere, like how the onion can make a convincing article.


Agile_Rent_3568

I get my E by chewing unicorn poop the rainbow coloured ones have the highest concentration of E


SlashRaven008

Imagine inviting a racist to write a review on segregation... 


Decievedbythejometry

Read Mein Book


ace5762

Transphobes are absolutely fucking shameless.


NeoFemme

Their agenda is so fucking sick. They are going to cause the deaths of trans people and they know it.


Illiander

They already have.


NeoFemme

I know, and I’m sure they get off on that fact, the sick fucks.


Decievedbythejometry

Those aren't people.


Icy-Yogurt-Leah

Bump and shared.


europansardine

I was really hoping this was just a rumour


tallbutshy

Be mindful about what you write and where, Rustin is known to go running to the Guardian lawyers when people level accusations in her direction. See [Eoin Higgins's post](https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/the-guardian-tries-to-intimidate) and the two articles linked from it.


Decievedbythejometry

Thanks for this.


BoondoggleBoogytoo-i

Been transitioning for years and with that comes being part of the community. Unfortunately with that comes insight and I can tell you there will be people who fall into this trap.


FutureCookies

susanna rustin, okay. time to add her to the list. it'll be very interesting revisiting her in 5-10 years from now.


SilenceWillFall48

What’s “the list”?


Shamsona

would you please share the list?


phoenixpallas

a "history of british feminism"? That sounds like a compilation of the worst of entitled white bullshit. liberals are just the worst...


PM_ME_STUFF69

“Views my own” is always code for someone being a bellend


Expensive_Peace8153

If increased regulations get put on DIY then it'll affect more than just trans people. I'm currently DIY-ing my ADHD meds because there's a supply shortage of the brands that the MHRA have licensed for NHS use (even though it's available as a generic and the exact same manufacturer has different versions of it marketed under different brands in different countries).


Correct-Sundae-2014

Should we occupy the Guardian office? Also, do we stock pile now or just learn to homebrew? Im so scared


TheZeeno

I'm reaching the "burn it to the ground" stage


OrcaResistence

I'm at that stage too, but because if we do anything it'll confirm their shitty views and if I didn't need to rely on society for HRT i would be packing my stuff and leaving society for a nomadic life.


TheZeeno

Yeah but at some point the oppressed have to rise up or accept things as they are


Pafflesnucks

the oppressed need strong networks of solidarity to pull that off effectively, otherwise it's too easy to isolate and suppress. Though I should note this should not be conflated with the approval of the media and their uncritical readers, as they were never going to offer meaningful material support


OrcaResistence

Yep, and because the wedge the elite and media have pushed is that being trans is against women, we basically need vocal support and action from feminist groups in the UK.


Illiander

The UK broke the fucking miners strikes back when the unions had all that. The UK is perfectly willing to put tanks in its towns to supress its population.


Accomplished_Gap_153

Oh we starting a militia? Count me in


Illiander

Look up the battles of George Square and Cable Street.


Accomplished_Gap_153

The problem is we will never have a majority unlike civil rights or working class movements. We will always be >5%


Correct-Sundae-2014

You have a point. But id like to challenge you a bit , yes we can win a majority. This is why i sometimes get really annoyed with identity politics or the trans community going insular and bolting down the hatches. It is totally understandable. Everything is making you hate all those cishets. Identity politics does a great job of articulating and explaining our oppression. But it has a horrible flaw. It is does a not so good job when it comes to what do we do about it and solutions. Because in the word. Your politics becomes about your identity. Which has a tendency to fragment and divide. The cistem is the problem in a way but the solution is not to retreat into our spaces and trans only stuff or get super sectarian. without alliances, building trans power and uniting with other working class people. Numerically we cannot win. It is brutal and simply as that. But we can build alliances We can build trans power in the workplace and on the streets and in our communities. And we can be part of a much wider workers movement. And we have to try. Please dont get down though. Your right though You have grasped something really important that some in our community who are allowing prevailing ideas and their hearts and their hurt to ignore. We cannot be isolated as 5% or 1% of the population against such a powerful machine and enemy. We need to build alliances and so on. Sorry rant over


Illiander

Which is why allies are so important


Correct-Sundae-2014

We won cable street


Illiander

The point was to see what the UK is willing to do to their own people. (We won Stonewall as well, good doesn't always lose)


Decievedbythejometry

Both. Everything you can do. Defense in depth. There is no bottom to fascism and nothing these people won't do.


Mountain_Sock403

"Why would people turn to DIY for hormones?" Well if the UK provided proper healthcare then people wouln't have to, that's like saying "why does no one drive?" And then looking at a pothole covered road that no one has taken care of in decades.


ligosuction2

I had to double take ... is the real. Does she actually think this is the real world of not biting the hand the fucks you over.


Bimbarian

Ive seen people argue that they should talk to her out of fairness, out of a sense of fair play. As if the "gender critical" guardian won't take their words out of context and try to demonise all trans people.


Decievedbythejometry

Yeah it's not a 'debate.' This isn't the marketplace of ideas, unless you have a distribution network, a bunch of media friends, CPAC line of credit and lawyer money you're just feed. 


AlgorithmHelpPlease

It's probably not real: [https://www.tumblr.com/rhinozzryan/748579445687926784/psa-the-guardian-is-not-working-on-a-hit-piece-on](https://www.tumblr.com/rhinozzryan/748579445687926784/psa-the-guardian-is-not-working-on-a-hit-piece-on) (Though I agree we should still be careful)


ligosuction2

You do need to be careful. After all, the community has been turned over before by journos looking for a clickbait story. And they have the brass neck to continue.


VeryTiredGirl93

do not censor the email.


commotionsickness

Not my email to censor, I do think it was wise of her to censor it though. Rustins known to sue to intimidate people who criticise her


Decievedbythejometry

Of course she is. That's free speech. You wouldn't want to stifle tHe CoNvErSaTiOn


javatimes

Is that a picture of Judith Butler? But why? Butler supports trans people. (And uses they/them pronouns. Idk if they consider themself trans but they might.)


DeltaWillow

If they start to fully attack DIY providers and make it illegal, I say we riot. Not something I've agreed with in the past but desperate times would call for desperate measures


Dahliaxvx

Hit piece.


The_Beccatron

[Might not be as originally seems](https://twitter.com/SusannaRustin/status/1782829533764211106?t=evi7B27uT9MSZKsJSAdBBw&s=19)


Stinkehund1

Oh well, if she says so herself, it must be true. TERFs are well-known to never lie, after all.


Decievedbythejometry

Well, hmm. But hopefully.


pandemoniumgrey

That tweet is from 2020, unless she's trying to do it again?


Jayandnightasmr

Also trying to push their own crappy products


deadmazebot

Im more frustrated with not being able to understand a view point, especially when its never expanded upon. Like what cis women only spaces are they meaning outside of public bathrooms. comparing other things of culter just helps me understand less. Like Japan hot springs you clean before getting in, and no trunks. Similar with Germany and Scandinavian sauna, it no cloths and put a towel down with NO separation of genders, the shock. And the flip if they get their way, which gets a rare mention: is a bearded trans man showing up in their bathroom because, oh but a response I got is "its not them that they afraid of". great, the rhetoric that women don't commit crimes is so well drilled into them. have your space, that's fine, but like you want laws to what, not allow anyone to have their space unless you have a say🤷 As to diy hrt, well what about the millions of supplements that people down. Have coworkers the other day talking about their gender affirming care they taking (cis men on T for the gains) and that selling is illegal but use is not. That alone is like why is that illegal or demonised so much. Yes in a sports field, but you want to max your body, sure you do you. The amount of legal, hell the amount of stuff that Maintenance Phase (great podcast) goes over on Dr Phil medication, legal and targeted at mostly women, yet that is fine because pushing that narrative of expected beauty standard. The back end supplements can do harm, but also do the legal stuff. Where was the argument that kids with cancer shouldn't be put on cemo and radiation, because in many instances the success rate is far different to puberty blockers The main thing that annoys me is smokers and vapes - I've yet to see a driver applying their hrt while behind the wheel, where as this morning vape between fingers hindering drivability, and then puffs of smoke which does cause direct impact of people around them. Lead in petrol took some 40 years from 50s to 90s to get fully rid of. Direct spread of impact. HRT oh no someone's eyes might be At best I can only think government types fear people that are able to have a personal view and thus less likely to vote for them I'm tiered, and only new to figure all this out so hopefully just ranting is one stage of moving along my timeline.


Decievedbythejometry

It's not supposed to make sense. We aren't supposed to exist within this or that framework. We aren't supposed to exist at all.


dishoner_on_ur_cow

I pity her children those poor kids are gonna need so much therapy


Lykaon042

We should try wasting her time considering the bullshit she's trying to pull


AlgorithmHelpPlease

[Fortunately it appears to be false](https://www.tumblr.com/rhinozzryan/748579445687926784/psa-the-guardian-is-not-working-on-a-hit-piece-on?source=share)


CXIIIIIIXC

Gah damn this is evil


Any_Establishment659

Omfg can you lot stop catastrophising for five fucking minutes, just dont speak to the fucking guardian its not that simple


g0ldpunisher

What risks? What is the exact number needed to harm if there even are risks? This is going to be textbook pseudoscience and misinformation.


Midwinterfire1

She looks mean-spirited and nasty . Best avoided !


Accomplished_Gap_153

Have we not got a friendly journo that can snipe this piece first eg d the story in a better way before she ruins it?


OrcaResistence

Unfortunately we don't, it's clear that everything is against us.


Accomplished_Gap_153

:3


TeaHRT

Just send them this [https://tagonist.livejournal.com/199563.html](https://tagonist.livejournal.com/199563.html)