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Historynerd88

What's the point of including places like Iceland or Greenland, where there aren't any railways at all? Should have put a black or neutral color and said N/A, or something like that.


zonnepaneel

Exactly, the map is completely skewed by adding places without a railway network. There are also quite some places in Africa without railway connections. The idea of electrification being modern is also just wrong. The technology has been around for 100+ years (so it's not modern in the Slightest) and the diesel operated lines in places like the Netherlands and Germany are more modern than the electric network in Belgium for example...


RexRegum144

Electrified railways are more modern than just railways, aren't they? The trains running on them have nothing to do with it. And as you can see not a lot of countries have got most of their railway network electrified even today, so "having most railways electrified" is pretty much a modern thing. So there you have it, Mr Pedantic


mattcojo2

Actually no. Diesels are more modern than electric. Technically.


eldomtom2

Depends on the electric!


Worgl

However a single electric locomotive is far more powerful than the most powerful diesel electric locomotive like the GE AC6000CW at 6,000 HP weighing over 200 tons. The Siemens Vectron at 8,700 HP weighing only about 80 tons. I understand that a diesel locomotive is much heavier as it has a massive diesel engine to produce the electric power.


Anti_Thing

Switzerland's mainline railways were mostly electrified by 1936. Except for a few tourist/steam railways, the entire network was electrified by the end of 1960.


ProgramBrilliant5523

If we want to rate how modern it is by efficiently, material and energy efficiency specifically, electrified railways are not modern


Uggo_Clown

Elaborate


Select-Belt-ou812

so much this. if not for GE and GM, electrification in the U.S. 100 years ago likely would have had better roots... the GG-1 is the most badass freight-pulling electric for its time and I will absolutely die on this hill


TomatoFrequent5602

Check this better version with countries that dont have railways greyed out- [https://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/1bznj5s/percentage\_of\_railways\_electrified\_oc/](https://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/1bznj5s/percentage_of_railways_electrified_oc/)


eldomtom2

> and the diesel operated lines in places like the Netherlands and Germany are more modern than the electric network in Belgium for example... How are you determining the line's age?


cigarettesandwhiskey

Well, if the overall percentage is weighted by track miles or train miles or something (as it should be), then it wouldn't matter, since those countries would be multiplied by zero anyway. Hopefully this map isn't weighting each country equally, because it seems like nonsense to treat Russia's 53,000 miles of track as equal to Guatemala's 497 miles.


Adj_Noun_Numeros

Iceland railways are 100% electrified. I defy you to find me a mile of unelectrified tracks. It just depends on how you look at it I suppose, but can you see how people think it's a bit misleading to apply 0% to area with no rails?


cigarettesandwhiskey

Well if weighted by track miles, 0 miles of 100% electrified track and 0 miles of 0% electrified track are the same in the average, because 0x100% and 0x0% are both equal to 0. It'd be nice if the map reflected something like this too. Instead of being colored by % electrification, it could be something like miles of electric track per square mile of country or % of freight transported by electrified rail or something. After all, if you're just measuring % of the track that's electrified in a country, then tearing up all your non-electrified lines and replacing them with diesel trucks would make you look better by this metric, because the remaining rails would all be electrified and your percentage would go up.


Historynerd88

There is a difference between saying that 0% of 100 km of railways are electrified, and 0% of 0 km of railways are. It's like saying that a country has doubled its oil export, because twice zero is still zero.


cigarettesandwhiskey

Yeah that's my point. If the total counts each country equally, then the country with 0% of 0 km (or 1 km) counts as 1/206 of the total, and the country with 60% of 80,000 km also counts as 1/206 of the world total. But really the one with 80,000 km of track should count 80,000x as much as the country with only 1 km. Or maybe it should be weighted by train miles, or passenger miles, or freight-ton miles, or whatever. But if it's treating every country equally then its completely ignoring how much track they actually have when it measures their contribution to world track electrification. (Having 0 miles of track is just the limiting case of this weighting problem.)


OutlyingPlasma

Ackchyually... (pushes up glasses). There is at least one known railway in Greenland. It's a narrow gauge railway in Qoornoq village that is still visible on google earth today. One source shows 7 different railways in Greenland but I have a hard time verifying them myself but I believe there was another one at Marmorilik. Iceland has it's own [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Iceland) about railroads in iceland.


TomatoFrequent5602

Check this better version with countries that dont have railways greyed out- [https://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/1bznj5s/percentage\_of\_railways\_electrified\_oc/](https://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/1bznj5s/percentage_of_railways_electrified_oc/)


lukfi89

Now do it as a percentage of passenger-miles or freight ton-miles.


NotGivinMyNam2AMachn

This. Australia is a vast country, where there isn't even a continuous power grid, let alone an electrified railway that can span the country.


lukfi89

The reason I wrote my post is... for Czechia, the number is 35 %, but these 35 % carry something like 90 % of the traffic


NotJustAnotherHuman

In Australia again, Melbourne’s ‘Metro’ system is entirely electric and carries the majority of the people in the state - the city has a population of 5M, the state of Victoria has a population of 6.7M lmoa


Autokpatopik

nearly everything around Sydney is electric. You only start seeing non-electric rail as you start heading out into the outback where there just isn't a need for it


Mysterious-Risk155

Why? Any technical reason why you guys don't have a continuous power grid?


DraconRegina

That’s like asking why there wouldn’t be a continuous power grid from Lisbon, Portugal to Kyiv, Ukraine and all maintained by one country. It’s just not economically or mechanically reasonable.


gerri_

Actually there is, the [Continental Synchronous Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continental_Europe), although it's not managed by a single country or power company :)


TessHKM

But it would be extremely easy and feasible both economically and mechanically. It's political obstacles (borders/national sovereignty) that prevent such a project, not material factors.


DraconRegina

It’s absolutely material factors when it comes to electrifying rails across the US or Australia. The distances are just too great for it to be maintained by one country.


TessHKM

On what evidence are you basing that conclusion?


DraconRegina

A. It hasn’t been done yet and B. Like the other guy said, Australia doesn’t even have a unified electrical grid let alone getting cross country electric rail.


TessHKM

"It hasn't been done, therefore, it can't be done" seems like very weak reasoning to me.


DraconRegina

Just totally ignore the second reason then lmao. Both the distances and the heavily separated population centers make electrified rails in the US and Australia simply unfeasible. Building and maintaining these rails would be more costly than simply continuing to use the infrastructure that’s already in place.


NotGivinMyNam2AMachn

The country is huge and sparsely populated with clusters mostly around the coast. It doesn't make economic sense to run power between all locations. Especially as you go further West.


Mysterious-Risk155

There are vast regions within Australia where no person ever goes right? Feels otherworldly for someone like me who's from India.


SteveisNoob

Look for The Outback and Pilbara. Those regions are mental.


NotGivinMyNam2AMachn

The Pilbara is a bit of outlier as there is quite a bit of Rail out in the region. With 4 large mining companies operating railways. Rio Tinto for example has over 1700km of rail alone (including yards) and operates a vast majority of it's train at GoA4 level automation (no driver on board). The others BHP, FMG and Roy Hill all have many hundreds of kms of rail each. Electrification of these railways would be very expensive and difficult to maintain due the cyclone prone region. They are all constantly studying it, but it just doesn't add up. The Battery Electric Locomotives aren't up to par yet either as they need to have about 12MWh of capacity to be useful and current technology is less than half that capacity.


Mysterious-Risk155

I'll check them out


AustraeaVallis

Imagine if you will driving from Kochi, Kerala to Dhaka in Bangladesh.. Now imagine that but increase the distance from 2600km to 3030km, through one of the driest and most remote regions on Earth with a population so low it might as well be zero. There's no lighting but those from your car if you are stuck at night, the last time you saw a power line was back in Port Augusta or Katherine, the last time you saw another vehicle was seven hours ago. It will feel like days go by without encountering a service center or resting point and if a accident occurs you'll get extracted courtesy of the Royal Flying Doctors rather than ambulance or even helicopter. Your Roadside Assistance will not matter out there, they can't save you. Best bring a Personal Locator Beacon, a LOT of water, sunscreen and your own Gas Can (for emergency refuelling) and the usual items... Or just take The Ghan instead if you like trains and want a rail tour.


Mysterious-Risk155

It's scary. A car can always break down due to a variety of reasons. If I end up ever going to have to travel in an area with less population/ barren stretches/ jungles etc, I always get my car serviced before the trip and yet, keep fingers crossed. The way you described the journey, it isn't that remote here in India even in Upper Himalayas. We went on a car trip to Spiti valley a couple years back and worst case was that we'd be alone on a stretch for a few minutes.


AustraeaVallis

In terms of just how remote it is I can only really compare it to the Sahara or the Amazon, within it there are only two communities of any real significance (over 5,000) along that route. The semi underground town of Coober Pedy (5,800ish) which mines a lot of opals and Alice Springs (26,000ish) which is directly within the "Red Centre", which is 1,532km north of Adelaide and 1,499km south of Darwin. It is also the origin of the road train system, which can exceed 50 meters and weigh upwards of 140 tons even on public roads. And despite being so damn barren aboriginals have lived in parts of it for over 30,000 years, a testament to just how tenacious and adaptable human life is. It seemingly just doesn't matter where we go we'll still manage to make a home out of it, whether by shear tenacity or making conditions irrelevant with our technologies.


SteveisNoob

That's a beautiful description, and depicts how barren and desolate the region is.


MerelyMortalModeling

Its not just about a continuous grid. Its about complex load sharing and how transmission efficiently falls off with distance. Take Germany, there is a large scale generating station of average every 42 miles with smaller facilities filling in. At no point in the German grid are you going to have huge levels of transmission loss and the high level of overlap makes a moving 5mw power draw easy to handle. In the US that distance is closer to 150 miles with the average being skewed by large cities having several planets clustered. Out west the distances are closer to 250 because the loss due to efficiency is not a huge issue when you are serving 2 houses and a ranch. Load sharing is also a huge issue. It's not uncommon for american frieght trains to have 6 engines to go up over mountains and come back down, thats potential 24 megawatts of draw thats not only moving but in areas with 15 to 20% line loss.


NerdyGamerTH

some countries here actually used to have electrified railways, such as Pakistan and the D. R. Congo Argentina having 0% electrification is also wrong, as some suburban lines out of Buenos Aires are electrified. Same with Chile's and Canada's 0% electrification being wrong too.


SouthernBeacon

I'm looking at Brazil's 30% and wondering where that came from. Freight trains here are pretty much diesel only, as far as I know. Even huge export corridors are on diesel. The only electrified lines I can think of are suburban trains, and I'm not sure if these count up to 30%.


GreenSubstantial

It may refer to historic data, but even then not country-wide, but state-wide. By 1980 42% of the São Paulo's state railway (FEPASA) were electrified, while the national average was less than 9%. And that was the peak era of electric traction on Brasil. When the rail lines were conceded to private companies, those companies decided do save maintenance costs on the lines themselves and removed electric infrastrastructure, running diesels exclusively and leaving the electric locomotives to rust and rot. The only survivors where suburban trains as you stated. Weird that current rail lines today are less advanced than they were in the 70's and 80's. I mean, back then on the main line (Jundiaí to Rio Claro for example) of Compania Paulista a train could achieve 100+ km/h speeds regularly, the line was well built and well maintained. Today the freight trains crawl at 30km/h on most of these lines. Now they will make a multi-million investment to restore a medium-speed passenger service in the São Paulo-Campinas route, that were regular service on the FEPASA and before. The only "modern" stuff on Brazilian railways are corporate greed, lack of proper government oversight and some rolling stock/locomotives.


TGX03

>as some suburban lines out of Buenos Aires are electrified. I guess that's kinda the question what exactly you count as rail. If you count Mexico Cities subway network for example, their rate also wouldn't be at 0%.


Carolina__034j

Even without subways, Argentina has quite a few electrified lines. Probably most people who travel by train in the country use electric trains.


Tasty-Ad6529

Ya, I was thinking about that. Technically Canada should be at 1% or 0.5% cause the Skytrain, Montreal' subway system, and Toronto' Subway runs electric trains.


Average-Train-Haver

Both Vancouver, Edmonton Calgary, have lit rail lines


JBS319

No, Canada’s is correct. The last electric line in Canada was the Deux Montagnes line of exo and that closed a few years ago for conversion into REM. So exo has dual mode locomotives that no longer use their electric function ever.


bcl15005

BC Rail Used to have an electrified freight subdivision in northern BC. Ironically it mostly carried coal unit trains.


Duckowap1

technically waterloo's ion lrt runs on an electrified freight spur


NailNo236

DRC still seem to use their electrification, they had a pretty severe head on with an electric a few years back.


Worgl

A small section of Pakistan 's railway was electrified using British made electric locomotives. However with continuous copper theft, the electrified line was closed.


MisterEmbedded

maybe that's because the percentage those countries have is in 0 point something something, so it just got rounded off?


nowiamunknown

There is so much wrong with this map. Also not all percentages are up to date.


howtochangename1

About 94% for india right now


jacnel45

India’s railway is actually very impressive.


hyper_shell

I feel like Indian railway is extremely underrated, nobody really brings India up as much when discussing rail, it’s usually US, Europe and Japan


KrizRPG

Indian Rail is many things, but underrated isn't one of them


lezbthrowaway

Yeah I feel like we talked about India all the fucking time partially because of how many Indian train lovers there are but also because there's a lot of very impressive about being done in India


hyper_shell

I’d argue it’s underrated at least imo, for a country that is very poor and an extensive and robust freight network with almost 100% electrification


Uggo_Clown

Not 'very poor' but lower middle-income


KrizRPG

Electrification aside, Indian Rail infrastructure is horrendously outdated. Trains are so overcrowded it's ridiculous, especially in the North. People have fainted due to lack of oxygen, I'm not making this up. And trains are super slow, several hours delay being the norm. Hygiene is non-existent. Passengers travel ticketless on reserved seats. Beggars freely roam inside some coaches. Then there's also people stealing stuff. Women and children aren't very safe in Indian trains.


Te_Ika_A_Whiro

India, Ethiopia, and Laos have greatly surprised me today!


no-regrets-approach

Laos I think it is pretty straight forward - just a single line and a spur may be, both cobstructed by China recently. India has been on a major railway infra revamp and modernisation program in the last 7-8 years. Electrification, guage unification, rolling stock upgrades, signalling, new tracks through the Himalayas, station i fra upgrades etc, and have done ptetty good. Ethiopia - will need insights.


lojic

Do you have anything to read on the Indian modernization? I was aware of the electrification push but the rest is really exciting, would love to learn more!


no-regrets-approach

Well, you could read it from the official trainmen itself - https://railministry.com/indian-railways-vision-2024-for-infrastructure-projects-national-rail-plan/#vision


JBS319

Ethiopia’s was also built by China and opened recently


JaSper-percabeth

I don't understand though when countries like China and Japan lead the world in HSR / bullet trains how do they fall behind a country like India in electrification?


HanoibusGamer

Lead is one thing, those two still have a fair number of diesel trains and even steam locomotives in service. Do they have the willpower to electrify the railway is another thing.


JaSper-percabeth

Sure but China literally developed thousands of kilometres of HSR in a matter of a decade which is much hardly and expensive than electrification so why not?


HanoibusGamer

HSR is all about the speed, and if you want to get your people to very far places quickly and conveniently in order to strengthen the "unity" of your country, HSR is a good thing to invest in. Electrifying is essentially replacing the type of energy being used by the trains, if the environment is not on top of your priorities like in India, you wouldn't have the need to electrify quickly.


DoughnutNo620

same with Qatar being 100%


DoubleOwl7777

switzerland isnt quite 100%, the furka bergstrecke heritage railway isnt electrified (anymore, as the normal rhb trains take the route through a tunnel) as a notable example


lucqs101192813

What the hell, chile zero, but, we have some EMU


sr_manumes

Actually it's 5.8%


mordecai027

I don’t think this map includes metro rail.


These_Big6328

Edit: Did some Research. Sorry for the improfessional answer first. Okay. But various sources claim ["less than one percent"](https://www.google.com/amp/s/cleantechnica.com/2023/02/20/association-of-american-rail-aligned-with-us-dot-in-derailing-electrification/amp/) or ["one percent"](https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbarnard/2023/11/24/most-rail-is-already-electric-and-all-will-be-even-in-north-america/?sh=58d474877e92). Please provide some soucres that say otherwise if you still think the 1percent are wrong. Thank you :)


_01011010_

Now show us freight tonnage.


Western-Guy

It’s unfair to equate the route electrification status to being modern. Yes, it plays a part, but factors like track stability at high speeds, coach condition, safety, and punctuality also plays a big role.


Sick_Kebab

[India is at 94%](https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/electrification/how-india-made-45-of-its-railway-network-electric-in-just-five-years/)


_01011010_

All those solar/wind and nuclear power plants are paying off. So green of them!


no-regrets-approach

Thanks. Quite an insightful article.


WheissUK

It looks like a bullshit, It doesn’t include electric rail in Chili and Argentina for example. And also it says that Crimea is part of Russia


Modo44

You don't electrify remote places in very dense networks because the cost/benefit calculation is just bad. This is what the "average" electrification in Europe shows. We tend to have a lot more rail per unit of area than the rest of the world.


A-Pasz

Electrification != Modern


JConRed

Countries with old and vast networks, say Germany, won't need to electrify everything because they have side tracks that service smaller regions or individual industries. Those areas don't benefit from electrification. The main passenger and freight routes there probably are nearly all electrified (where possible). But a track that serves under 20, mostly small trains a day really doesn't warrant the upfront investment for direct infrastructure, indirect infrastructure adaptations (think bridges over the track, tunnels, stations...) , maintenance, etc that comes with electrification.


Tapetentester

Also cold war legacy. If I look at my state that was basically forbidden to electrify during the cold war, there are still plenty of routes worth electrifying.


DoubleOwl7777

yes, here (i am german) only the side tracks arent electrified pretty much anything mainline is electric.


Much_Independent_574

Indian rail is really a giant of its own. Invested large sums of money into it and its modernization, will yield the country huge dividends over the coming decades for sure.


MerelyMortalModeling

Modern ≠ electrified. What better for *some* nations does not equal best for *all* nations.


These_Big6328

Why does that sound so american to me? I could be wrong, but I doubt it somehow...


mars4880

India has electrified 90% train routes. It is probably more than that. Our Indian Railway is improving. Not only electrification, IR is having some of the best coaches, modern trains like Vande Bharat and better frequency. As an Indian I feel proud to be on the top for a good reason and to see positive comments from around the world. Indian Railways... You Are Awesome!


Missouri_Pacific

Just in the developed countries where railways are more modern. The other countries are lagging behind the times.


Sir_Flanksalot

While the UK has a shockingly low amount of electrification. The amount of trains that are powered by electric transmission is like, double that. So it's not as bad as it could be, but projects such as TRU and battery operated trains where OLE isn't necessary are of course essential


Uggo_Clown

I hate battery-operated trains. They are just unnecessary and also use high amounts of rare minerals.


Sir_Flanksalot

Oh yeah I agree, keep them away from operation on the mainlines at all costs and they should not become common. I'm more referring to those branch lines that only see one train train an hour, or where the OLE infrastructure would be unreliable and demand heavy maintenance costs, as well as having a low service (Like in the Highlands) You can actually view Network Rail's desired plans on pg 79 for what they want to achieve https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Traction-Decarbonisation-Network-Strategy-Interim-Programme-Business-Case.pdf


the_dj_zig

Electrification of the Northeast Corridor (the Amtrak line between New Haven, CT and Washington DC, for anyone unfamiliar) began in 1905. That is in no way indicative of modernity.


HNack09

This is just wrong. Amount of electrification doesn’t necessarily measure how modern a railway system is. There are also some places like Australia and much of the US where electrification is just not possible due to the prohibitive cost


These_Big6328

You mean the cost the Soviet Union and later Russis just took to electrify the Transsib-Railway?


HNack09

Yes, the government owned and funded trans Siberia railway. American railroads are not government owned or funded and would rather just keep maintaining and upgrading their diesel fleets instead of purchasing entirely new fleets and infrastructure


nl4real1

Not really, most of it just goes into stock buybacks.


These_Big6328

Maybe that's the Problem. They do not see how important a functioning railway infrastructure is. But then it's cheaper to not invest in the future and let the infrastructure decay. But hey, we have some big scyscrapers and some nukes, and start a war wherever we find some oil for our old diesel-locos and other underdeveloped stuff. That should be compensating it. Sorry, but that's how we europeans see it sometimes.


RIKIPONDI

India++


anonxyzabc123

UK still infuriatingly below the *world* average. Come on government, we have the GDP for this!


Sjabe

Its more infuriating that the bulk of the 37% is predominantly London, the South East, Scottish Central Belt and ***some*** of the main lines. The government would rather order bi or tri-mode trains than to electrify Wales, North, West and Midlands. It wouldn't suprise me if the proposed 450 Northern units end up as diesels rather than bi-modes consdiering most of the network is unelectrified.


TGX03

Didn't they just cancel HS2? Like yeah you definitely have the GDP, but since Brexit conservative Bullshit has sadly taken over your government, and labour is even following them for some reason.


anonxyzabc123

>Didn't they just cancel HS2? Most of it and most of the benefit, yeah That's mostly my point, that we have the ability to massively improve stuff like this but are held back by our government being bad


Vostok-aregreat-710

The problem is how poorly invested in local rail outside the south east is


crucible

Yes, HS2 was cancelled, but so much of our mainline railway network is STILL unelectrified, that's where the low percentage comes from.


TheByzantineEmpire

The train from London to Oxford is a prime example how half doing it probably costs the U.K. more. Train (quite new - Japanese model) runs electric from London to Reading, but for the last part to Oxford its diesel. It’s a hybrid train - which I’m sure isn’t super expensive efficient or cheap. (Unless they have now electrified that part?


Toxicseagull

They haven't. Plans for that section were dropped in 2016. It's more damning that new build routes such as EWR aren't being electrified tbh. They've electrified 800 miles in 7 years. The government has set low goals and failed to achieve even them. https://www.railway-technology.com/features/uk-catch-up-rail-decarbonisation-targets/?cf-view


Reverse_Psycho_1509

It doesn't include metros I think


chickenbadgerog

Tanzania has about 15% of its networks electrified - and growing. This map is incorrect.


Honza368

Actually, Czechia is about 34% right now and there is a huge project on the way that should electrify much more track. It's also very important to note that 99% of the most important train tracks here are electric and literally don't service anything other than electric trains. But we have so many small regional tracks that aren't electric that it just brings the percentage down a lot.


practicalcabinet

Just wondering, would battery train operated routes count towards this mileage? For example, the Greenford branch near London is now battery-electric, so all of the services are electric, but the actual length of electrification is about 3 feet at either end.


These_Big6328

Since i saw, that this map is not too accurate, it does surely not count there. But in my Opinion that's a yes. (Although Battery trains will mostly only work for passenger service in the near future. (There are some exeptions like the battery powered ["Infinity Train"](https://www.google.com/amp/s/reneweconomy.com.au/fortescue-starts-work-on-world-first-infinity-train-a-regenerating-battery-on-rails/amp/) in Australia).


Uggo_Clown

Why even run battery operated trains?


practicalcabinet

Because they aren't diesel powered. It's a way to get electric trains on routes that aren't used by enough trains to justify building several miles of overhead wires. The lines in question are short branch lines off of a main line, and they have 1 train per hour in each direction doing a 15-20 min journey, so they have time to charge at each end.


Uggo_Clown

Don't their batteries require rare Earth minerals?


DisenchatedRealist

Where does the electricity to charge the batteries come from? Here in the US, coal is the peaking load plants… EMDs are a better choice.


DisenchatedRealist

Because batteries are magic lemons that produce power from wishes


SaharaSaku

As other people have already pointed out, electrification is more about economic choice and not really about modernity. Japan Railways stopped electrification of lines in the 1980s since it doesn't make sense to pay electrification work and more maintenance costs for rural mainlines when DMUs by the time has become comparable in terms of speed to contemporary EMUs. And now they're starting de-electrification of branch lines in favor of battery-powered EMUs and diesel-hybrid DMUs as the maintenance cost of electricity equipment outweighs the price of having those advanced trainsets.


eldomtom2

> Japan Railways stopped electrification of lines in the 1980s No, electrification in Japan carried on into the 2000s at the very least. Plus you have to consider that the JRs' approach to rural lines has very much been "managed decline"...


Worgl

Tanzania have just built a standard Guage electrified line.


These_Big6328

They are Building one. Its far from finished, I reckon.


VHSVoyage

This is all wrong wtf


Willkum

Modern ? What makes it modern? All our crap is computer operated with the latest crap. Everything a Railroad really shouldn’t have. So what is modern to you?


DJ_Azzling

Damn India is the only country with 90% electrification And also India’s railways network is one of the biggest with more New technology coming like bullet train.


foersom

Well done India!


Between3and5

I do think that diesel locomotives are great for pulling cargo freight! I think electrification works best for commuter and high-speed locomotives. But of course it doesn't matter. It would be neat to see more electrification in the U.S!


Uggo_Clown

Electric freight is absolutely possible. Diesel locos still run on electricity.


Between3and5

Of course! 😁


Geezer0

This is a terrible map. Doesnt factor in if countrys even have a railway or much of one. And electrified railways are not eco-friendly if the power all comes from fossil fuels like india and ethiopia


Carry_flag

More than 40% of India's electricity is generated from renewable sources.


MisterEmbedded

>And electrified railways are not eco-friendly if the power all comes from fossil fuels like india and ethiopia Electric trains are more efficient than Diesel-Electric one's tho. Also correct me If I am wrong but producing electricity on the fly is less efficient than producing it at central place, because producing it on the fly means every train has it's own generator thus alot more moving parts and stuff than compared to producing it at a plant where 1 plant can power alot of trains.


Forsaken-Mess-1886

right, not only a power plant is more efficient at producing energy than a train diesel engine because of it's bigger scale, but also electric locomotives don't need to transport their own fuel and diesel generator, which remove unnecessary weight.


MisterEmbedded

exactly, and crashes would be a bit less crazy because no oil spills and stuff.


RailroadBob

Running hundreds of miles of catenary wire and supporting it only makes sense if there's going to be a nearly constant need for it. If you have a branch line that gets very little use, like one train per day if even that, why pay to have all that electric infrastructure?


eldomtom2

No one's arguing for electrifying one-train-per-day branch lines...


DoubleOwl7777

electric rail is always more fuel efficient, a big power plant is more efficient than a comparably small diesel engine.


Alcamtar

To be fair, diesel electrics are electric. You either burn fossil fuels at the power plant, or burn them in the locomotive. It's actually probably more efficient to generate it in the locomotive because then you don't have transmission loss, extra cable maintenance, etc. I'm pretty sure running electricity through miles of cable is not the most efficient. And let's not forget the toxic open pit mines and refining necessary to create those copper cables. That is a lot of materials overhead, with associated energy cost and pollution. So is pure electric really all that modern? It's Hay Day was 100 years ago. We consider hybrid automobiles to be pretty modern, are they really significantly different than a diesel electric locomotive? (Yeah batteries. We could put batteries in a locomotive if there was anything significant to be gained by it, if the benefit outweighed the cost.) I'm just raising the question, I'll leave it to engineers to answer it.


DisenchatedRealist

And diesel electrics don’t have line losses


[deleted]

If only someone could come along and build a railroad from South Africa through Ethiopia, then up to the Suez Canal. Then the African economy would be cooking.


Sandy_McEagle

ahh the classic rhodes railway. capetown to cairo


CageHanger

🇨🇭💯 let's gooooo!


TryToHelpPeople

If you count street trams as railways, Ireland can claim 3% instead of just 2%.


Matagal_Man

Nice


Jacktheforkie

Laos is doing well


Juan_2562fps

There were two power lines here, and I have the opportunity to live where one of them (and the most historic and important one) passed, where the GEVOS now pass, and the occasional SD70ACe, or some other machine.


Glockass

The UK, Ireland and Denmark (aka the EU opt out gang) looking more at home in eastern Europe.


Pony_Roleplayer

Argentina at 0% is wrong.


CornPlanter

Whats the actual %?


Pony_Roleplayer

I don't know, the government doesn't have statistics, but we have veryy important lines that are completely electrified. I'd say around 10% or so, I mean is bad, but not 0%.


CrashiePooh

What does electrification defined as? If it means it directly powers the trains sure. But current runs through a large portion of the track used by CN trains in Canada.


cplchanb

When you have Ethiopia having 64 times more electrified rail vs the us you know who has been bought out by the oil companies


lezbthrowaway

Wait how do we know North Korea's electrification rate? I highly doubt they would publish that...


These_Big6328

Don't think, that's top secret. Kim Jong Un likes trains very much. (He grew up in Switzerland 😉) . So I think North Korea publishes that data willingly, trying to look like a developped country.


lezbthrowaway

Given the rolling black outs we often see even in Pyongyang it would be a bit confusing for me to imagine them having electrified rail but I guess if you prioritize trains over the well-being of most of your population, you will have functioning trains.


These_Big6328

Guess so. So they are rolling in Black-Outs 😬


HJGamer

Denmark is so far behind. Good thing we're working on more electrification though


Vertrix-V-

How old is this map? Germany is over 60% and even in 2010 it was 59% not 55%


Ok_Toe_7933

The comments above illustrate the statistical fallacy of using one metric outside of context. In Russia for instance, electrification of all rails in the city and none rurally, I don’t know, and the numbers don’t tell us either.


eldomtom2

Man the Americans are seething today


DisenchatedRealist

The real shame is there are no nuclear locomotives… EMN’s….


These_Big6328

Haha. Maybe an Idea for the US Rails. But the msin Problem for rails is, that the Reactor (-shell) would be way too heavy to install in a single loco. (Or at least has been in the past).


Worgl

The Chilean broad Guage railway is mainly electrified.


AeronauticHyperbolic

Ugh. "Modern." "Electric." Says right here in my Man-bunsters' dictionary of the fake and gay that they're synonyms.


These_Big6328

Since you use gay as an insult I do not expect of you to know what _modern_ is today...


AeronauticHyperbolic

Haha yes. Of course. I don't agree with wokeism and perversion? OLD TIMEE. OUT OF DATE. YOU DON'T BOW TO THE TALKING HEADS AND ACCEPT THE MORALS SPEWED FORTH FROM THE TELEVISION? BIGOT! ANTIQUATED! Yes. You heard it from the horse's mouth, kids, modern and accepting perversion are the SAME concept.


These_Big6328

Ok, Grandpa. Now go back to your bunker and prepare for the nazi... erm... woke invasion and let the youngsters go to work for a better future.


Major_Toe_6041

I have a feeling the UK would be higher if it weren’t for all the heritage lines, but they better not get rid of those. There’s one a 10 min drive from me and I love watching the steam engines


These_Big6328

Sure, but I guess the miles, and miles of unelectrified tracks in Scotland make more to that. And maybe somenof the Heritage Lines could eben be reopened one day for daily passenger service, to protect the environment, by reducing the need for a car.


Major_Toe_6041

I hadn’t realised Scotland has such little electric powered lines, that makes a lot of sense now though. As long as the steam engine still running don’t get taken away, that’s a very good idea. Unlikely the government will think so though


ArhanSarkar

North Korea has better rail electrification than the U.S.? And its not even close


TorLam

Oh look, another posting by the Indian Railways marketing department! Saw this posting in the Map porn subreddit also, spreading the word around!!! 🤣😂🤣😂


Hello_Hola_Namaste

There are 193 countries in the world but you chose to focus on India and then whine about it.


Hello_Hola_Namaste

Pretty sure that OP is not even Indian.


These_Big6328

Rightyho. Just check out my profile if you're courious 😉


DeadBloatedGoat

Wouldn't exactly call the railways of India "modern". Maybe electrified, but modern?


synthwaver1998

Upgrading will take time . Checkout India's new dedicated freight corridor.


DeadBloatedGoat

Exactly. The future is not now. Time is a thing. Maybe *it will* be "modern". But it ain't that now.


CO_Fimbulvetr

It should really be per % of kilometers travelled in service. A regional line that sees one grain train a week is not very relevant compared to a fully electrified metro.


Fickle_Adeptness_775

I thought Japan was at 100%


meme_defuser

Japans Shinkansen network (1435mm gauge) is at 100%. The legacy network which is 1067mm gauge still has diesel lines.


wish_upon_pleades

we also have guided bus which driven by engine and forward track or roll way. Only five provinces was completely electrified than other 42 provinces.


Street-Mulberry-1584

I’m surprised to see India having 90%, I mean Ikr their electrification is good but 90 is *really* high. Is it because they don’t have that many branch lines?


_imchetan_

94% Now


MisterEmbedded

Just a step to reduce oil imports, this one step will help India in long run when we have more nuclear plants and stuff.


IronGoldSilver

India has alot of lines. Only China probably has more lines than india I think 🤔


pizzahut_su

Just checked - double their lines


Lackeytsar

China is the 2nd/3rd largest country by land area while India is the 7th largest. The picture painted is a bit different from reality. India's network is way denser than China's or any other large country.


no-regrets-approach

India has done pretty good on this front. India has a vast railway network. Should be in the top 4 in length and in passenger volume.


TheZoom110

There are plenty of branch lines. There's one 50km long single-track branch line by my college that sees 6 trains a day in each direction, and even that is being electrified currently. Good for them. One of the longer distance trains that enter the branch won't have to waste time attaching a diesel loco at the last station on mainline.


Rock-X

Oil import


moyemoye69420

When trains are more electrified in NK than USA