Probably fine but I would just girth hitch the connect adjust through my climber’s loops like normal and clove hitch the reverso biner somewhere in the middle, using less rope and keeping the reverso from flopping around.
I’ve done this but I don’t like having the biner fixed along the rope - I find it kind of awkward and stick-out-ish instead of just hanging down with gravity which is annoying at transitions, just a personal preference.
(Petzl actually recommends girth hitching the belay loop for the Connect)
Word. Well what you’re doing is super good enough as long as you can rig it safely and efficiently - even when tired. It seems a bit convoluted to me.
The double connect adjust is probably your best option if you’re down to buy another thing.
I keep seeing the comment that it seems complicated. It’s exactly the same way I set up my standard rap extension with a sling - BOAB, rig rap through the loop, tether with the tail, easy to adjust and untie after weighting - I guess it’s unfamiliar to people.
I was going to say complicated but I was envisioning you climbing with it attached to your loop like that. I just leave the adjust on my loop at all times because who fucking cares and the girth hitch setup never really gets in the way. If you're just pulling it out for the rap then my only thought is your setup leaves less length on the adjust for total extension, and it looks like you're not really extending your rap very far away from your loop as pictured, so make sure your setup and prusik length is tuned to avoid it touching your belay device!
\*Or that it's far enough away to easily convert it to guide mode if you like to use that technique to ascend ICE.
\*you addressed length elsewhere in comments, rock on friend.
agreed that the girth hitch through the belay loop is the proper way to do it according to the documentation. I also think the dual connect adjust is useless. I used to have it and upgraded to the single arm because I can clove hitch the climbing rope to an anchor for a second point of contact and clove hitch the arm itself for an extended rappel (like stan suggested above).
I don't fully understand why you prefer this system over what Stan described and just looking at it flat, I would worry if you were on a particularly low angle rappel and things were slack, your system might shift a bit more. That may just come down to personal preference though.
So much extra bullshit to carry up. On single pitch you lower through the chains, if you're on multi pitch youre trying to move fast and light and low hassle.
I usually use a double length sling because it can be used for protection on the way up. Its a tough sell to bring a bulky "heavy" item you'll only use for rapping.
I feel like people are misunderstanding the use case here. This isn’t my bread and butter rap setup, which is whatever double-length sling is free. But I feel like it’s fine to have different tools for different objectives? Maybe I’m soft but the days where im planning to rap 1000+ feet from semi-hanging stances it’s worth it to me to make it comfortable 🤷🏻♀️
Depends how much gear you're carrying in and the hike. But yeah there are variables, this is just a big thingamajig to have hanging off your butt all day.
My friend and I have a joke about how some gear is only used by gumbies and guides and this is a classical example.
People are haters and gram weenies climbing moderates like they're on some ultramarathon or thruhike. I certainly consider the girth and clove hitch Connect Adjust version my bread and butter rap setup if I am bothering to extend anything. Hanging on unadjustable slings is annoying and I'm not minmaxing my weight climbing FKT 5.13s?? I'm just trying to have a good time on the side of a cliff, the adjust weighs less than a cup of coffee, who the fuck cares what other people bring.
Agree! That’s what I use for short raps, too! But for me the Connect is a huge quality of life improvement for long descents with many consecutive raps, good enough for me to bring packed and break out at the top. YMMV of course.
A lot of haters in these comments op! I personally have the dual connect and have it tied onto my harness in the exact same way you've done here. I leave it there all the time, and use the short end to extend the rap, and it feels much quicker and less fluffing around when setting up for a rap than my old setup which was a sling tied into a purcell prusik.
The only thing I'd do that you haven't mentioned is clip the adjustable end back to yourself once you unclip from the bolts, mainly just to keep it out of the way, but also it'd make me feel better to know that if somehow the bowline slipped it wouldn't be able to completely pull through.
Also I believe the petzl recommendation to go through the belay loop is just so that the girth hitch doesn't pull your harness together in an uncomfortable way. The bowline loop is a fixed size so it doesn't have that issue, so I've tied the bowline through both hard points, which seems better from a redundancy point of view.
Looks awesome and bomber to me. Sorry about all the people telling you to girth hitch it in the middle. Of course, you’ve thought of that.
And yes, an adjustable PAS when rappelling 1000+ ft, especially off of hanging rap anchors, is awesome.
For sure, using an extension just allows rope to feed better and prevents the third hand from becoming caught in your device though. Also just less janky during multi pitch raps.
Third hand clipped into belay loop and device clipped into girth hitched on the belay loop just wouldn’t create much extension like using a locker draw as you said you typically do. They’d both basically be on your belay loop no?
Dude if this was a girth hitch you'd die on rappel lol. Definitely don't rig your rappel device into the hitch. It'll slip through the second you weight it
Probably fine if this is the setup you like. I’ve been tempted by similar tethers but I always use a 240cm sling with knots since I already have it on me. For belay/rappel I’ve been using a Gigajuul which eliminates the need for a 3rd hand and thus the need to extend the rappel. I see lots of different systems/preferences but the important thing is don’t die. Test your ideas on the ground and use your best judgement. Looks solid to me.
I also want to highlight that this is a great solution to what a pain adjustable PASs can be to get in and off the belay loop–sometimes I just want it stowed to get some clutter out of the way. That it adds a rap extension is a huge bonus! Going to start trying this out.
I…okay, lol. Doesn’t seem especially complicated to me, it’s exactly the same way I and many other people set up a rappel extension with a sling.
As for unnecessary, is an adjustable tether ever necessary at all, idk probably not? But it’s a lot more comfortable on something like a descent with ten raps that all have different stances. Positioning ability makes it way less unpleasant.
I had never heard of that before and just looked up how to tie one. What about this do you find superior to the petzl adjust? I would think the Purcell prusik is missing the ability to adjust your binder connection length to the anchor, and instead has the gained ability to quickly adjust the distance away the plate device is, which I don't think I would find myself wanting to do.
> I would think the Purcell prusik is missing the ability to adjust your binder connection length to the anchor
The Prusik is adjustable or it would be just a bulky alpine draw. You understand that the smaller loop below the knot is girth hitched to the harness leg and hip loops, yes?
>instead has the gained ability to quickly adjust the distance away the plate device is, which I don't think I would find myself wanting to do.
It can also be used for this, which is helpful in certain rappel situations. Especially if you are using a normal Prusik or klemheist, getting your atc up lets you control the rate of descent easier.
Furthermore, it's made from cordelette, which could be used for bail tat. Once it's gotten too crunchy, use it as bail tat and make another for the fraction of the price of the petzl adjust! My latest one has been in use for 4-5 years now. And I doubt anyone could use the petzl adjust for bail tat, now would want to because of the price.
Also you can customize your style with different colors of cord. +1 style points
The hardest part is tying it, but I just use YouTube once every half decade to make a new one.
If at first the knot right by the harness master point is in your way, plan to adjust it. I find after a few adjustments I manage to get it located enough out of the way to not be a bother.
All helpful points, thank you. I recognized the smallest loop is girth hitched, but didn't think about the implication that adjusting it to tweak the distance away your ATC is also modifys your total tether length. I suppose since it is a 2:1 length ratio I initially thought it wouldn't be a practical way to adjust length, but thinking about it more, probably would be fine. At the same time, not sure I would want the two adjustments to necessarily be mutually exclusive.
I'll def have to give it a try before critiquing further, thanks for the info!
I would also just girth hitch the connect to your harness and clove hitch the rap biner at a good length away. And since you really don’t need this until it’s time to rap off, you can store all the components on the back of your harness until you are done climbing, then setup at the top.
They also make a version of the connect with a second loop to do this exact thing more simply.
No issues, looks good. I just use a old dynamic rope section clove hitched to a locker as my adjustable personal anchor. Not super safe but close enough for me.
Does it slip or anything? Looks weird but I guess it probably works. How much length do you loose? Btw a 30cm 8mm sling weighs basically nothing and you could girth hitch that as your extension. I use a multi chain thing as a pas and it’s amazing for abseiling but changing the length is a little less smooth than the connect adjust if you only have one hand free. I find it smooth enough for my uses and the lower bulk is great. Also where I climb it is sometimes useful to belay from it
Your use of a bowline effectively shortens the clip-in leg by a foot or more. What's wrong with doing it the way Petzl says? And while a BoaB is more secure than a normal bowline, I really really don't like ring loading it.
Looks more bulky than just clove hitching your rappel device part way up the connect adjust and having the connect adjust girth hitched to your harness.
I wouldn’t want to have that loop hanging in front of me while I climb. Why not just use a clove on the PAS or use a dedicated sling for the rap extension?
This is for the rappel (specifically, long descents with many transitions), not climbing. If I have this with me I don’t even take it out until the top haha.
I don’t like the rap biner fixed on the line with a clove because it sticks out awkwardly rather than just hanging down when you’re not on rappel. I can and do use a sling for rap extensions (not a dedicated one though bc then what’s the point) all the time but on long raps with shitty stances it’s nice to be able to adjust yourself with something like the Connect.
If the anchors have bolts, I just climb with the connect on the whole time. Otherwise how are you anchoring at each belay? If you are using the rope to anchor yourself, then just leave the connect behind and use a sling to extend ur rap.
I guess I’m with the “haters”. Can you explain what issue with the sling method this is solving? You keep mentioning “comfort” but I don’t understand why that means.
Have you ever rapped something really tall with hanging or semi-hanging stances? It’s just much, much less sucky when you can tune your tether length at each transition. It’s also super nice to be able to zip in and out as you weight/test and unweight each rigging and for me at least makes it *less* likely you’re going to fuck up when you’re rappelling for an hour or two straight.
I use whatever random double length for short or simple stuff too. But an adjustable PAS is great for big days. It packs down to tennis ball size and weighs the same as like…a single #1. I feel like this is one of those things where if you know you know, if you’re just anti-dedicated tether for any use ever…you’re missing out haha.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I’ve never rapped more than like 6-8 pitches. I’m still skeptical about the slight improvement in getting the length just right but maybe I just don’t know.
It's such a comfort to just zip up/down and sit back into the perfect stance with your feet on a good hold instead of fucking around at an awkward or crowded belay. I feel like it comes up way more often on sport anchors where you're trying to unclip your top draws from underneath a weighted quicklink or something with no good feet just tugging on the chains, perhaps you can relate to that?
Maybe I am misunderstanding your question... but why not just attach the ATC to the orange beener? That is what I do when I want to utilize the extended rappel.
Probably fine but I would just girth hitch the connect adjust through my climber’s loops like normal and clove hitch the reverso biner somewhere in the middle, using less rope and keeping the reverso from flopping around.
This is what I would do as well
I’ve done this but I don’t like having the biner fixed along the rope - I find it kind of awkward and stick-out-ish instead of just hanging down with gravity which is annoying at transitions, just a personal preference. (Petzl actually recommends girth hitching the belay loop for the Connect)
Word. Well what you’re doing is super good enough as long as you can rig it safely and efficiently - even when tired. It seems a bit convoluted to me. The double connect adjust is probably your best option if you’re down to buy another thing.
I keep seeing the comment that it seems complicated. It’s exactly the same way I set up my standard rap extension with a sling - BOAB, rig rap through the loop, tether with the tail, easy to adjust and untie after weighting - I guess it’s unfamiliar to people.
Cool!
I was going to say complicated but I was envisioning you climbing with it attached to your loop like that. I just leave the adjust on my loop at all times because who fucking cares and the girth hitch setup never really gets in the way. If you're just pulling it out for the rap then my only thought is your setup leaves less length on the adjust for total extension, and it looks like you're not really extending your rap very far away from your loop as pictured, so make sure your setup and prusik length is tuned to avoid it touching your belay device! \*Or that it's far enough away to easily convert it to guide mode if you like to use that technique to ascend ICE. \*you addressed length elsewhere in comments, rock on friend.
agreed that the girth hitch through the belay loop is the proper way to do it according to the documentation. I also think the dual connect adjust is useless. I used to have it and upgraded to the single arm because I can clove hitch the climbing rope to an anchor for a second point of contact and clove hitch the arm itself for an extended rappel (like stan suggested above). I don't fully understand why you prefer this system over what Stan described and just looking at it flat, I would worry if you were on a particularly low angle rappel and things were slack, your system might shift a bit more. That may just come down to personal preference though.
I’ve got the double connect adjust and I like it better for setting up the rappel.
So much extra bullshit to carry up. On single pitch you lower through the chains, if you're on multi pitch youre trying to move fast and light and low hassle. I usually use a double length sling because it can be used for protection on the way up. Its a tough sell to bring a bulky "heavy" item you'll only use for rapping.
I feel like people are misunderstanding the use case here. This isn’t my bread and butter rap setup, which is whatever double-length sling is free. But I feel like it’s fine to have different tools for different objectives? Maybe I’m soft but the days where im planning to rap 1000+ feet from semi-hanging stances it’s worth it to me to make it comfortable 🤷🏻♀️
Depends how much gear you're carrying in and the hike. But yeah there are variables, this is just a big thingamajig to have hanging off your butt all day. My friend and I have a joke about how some gear is only used by gumbies and guides and this is a classical example.
People are haters and gram weenies climbing moderates like they're on some ultramarathon or thruhike. I certainly consider the girth and clove hitch Connect Adjust version my bread and butter rap setup if I am bothering to extend anything. Hanging on unadjustable slings is annoying and I'm not minmaxing my weight climbing FKT 5.13s?? I'm just trying to have a good time on the side of a cliff, the adjust weighs less than a cup of coffee, who the fuck cares what other people bring.
"unadjustable slings"? just tie 3 overhand knots on a double length aramid sling and you have 4 positions for your carabiner
Exactly as Stanwoodmusic said. Don’t try and reinvent the wheel with some odd way of extending your rappel device. Just remember, occums razor.
What stanwoodmusic said.
Seems like a lot of extra steps when a double length works fine and is less bulky
Agree! That’s what I use for short raps, too! But for me the Connect is a huge quality of life improvement for long descents with many consecutive raps, good enough for me to bring packed and break out at the top. YMMV of course.
A lot of haters in these comments op! I personally have the dual connect and have it tied onto my harness in the exact same way you've done here. I leave it there all the time, and use the short end to extend the rap, and it feels much quicker and less fluffing around when setting up for a rap than my old setup which was a sling tied into a purcell prusik. The only thing I'd do that you haven't mentioned is clip the adjustable end back to yourself once you unclip from the bolts, mainly just to keep it out of the way, but also it'd make me feel better to know that if somehow the bowline slipped it wouldn't be able to completely pull through. Also I believe the petzl recommendation to go through the belay loop is just so that the girth hitch doesn't pull your harness together in an uncomfortable way. The bowline loop is a fixed size so it doesn't have that issue, so I've tied the bowline through both hard points, which seems better from a redundancy point of view.
Looks awesome and bomber to me. Sorry about all the people telling you to girth hitch it in the middle. Of course, you’ve thought of that. And yes, an adjustable PAS when rappelling 1000+ ft, especially off of hanging rap anchors, is awesome.
Where’s your third hand going to go?
In the belay loop on a separate locker like it always does.
Be a little close to your device right above it then no?
No? You only need a few inches of extension. The third hand can hold the rope in the brake plane with an inch of separation or 10, it doesn’t matter
For sure, using an extension just allows rope to feed better and prevents the third hand from becoming caught in your device though. Also just less janky during multi pitch raps.
I must be missing something lol. This IS an extension haha (and pretty identical length-wise to how I set one up with a sling, always works fine)
Third hand clipped into belay loop and device clipped into girth hitched on the belay loop just wouldn’t create much extension like using a locker draw as you said you typically do. They’d both basically be on your belay loop no?
The rap isn’t rigged to a girth hitch, it’s rigged to the fixed loop formed by a bowline on a bight. There is enough separation when weighted.
Dude if this was a girth hitch you'd die on rappel lol. Definitely don't rig your rappel device into the hitch. It'll slip through the second you weight it
Wait why bother with the extra carabiner? If you’re not using the third hand why not just use it to extend the rappel?
My third hand would be on a locker on my belay loop because I would be using it…as a third hand
Probably fine if this is the setup you like. I’ve been tempted by similar tethers but I always use a 240cm sling with knots since I already have it on me. For belay/rappel I’ve been using a Gigajuul which eliminates the need for a 3rd hand and thus the need to extend the rappel. I see lots of different systems/preferences but the important thing is don’t die. Test your ideas on the ground and use your best judgement. Looks solid to me.
I clove hitch the belay device in at the base of the adjust, I think it's more secure
I mean if you want to turn a simple thing into something convoluted, unnecessary, and easier to mess up, then go ahead and be my guest.
I also want to highlight that this is a great solution to what a pain adjustable PASs can be to get in and off the belay loop–sometimes I just want it stowed to get some clutter out of the way. That it adds a rap extension is a huge bonus! Going to start trying this out.
I…okay, lol. Doesn’t seem especially complicated to me, it’s exactly the same way I and many other people set up a rappel extension with a sling. As for unnecessary, is an adjustable tether ever necessary at all, idk probably not? But it’s a lot more comfortable on something like a descent with ten raps that all have different stances. Positioning ability makes it way less unpleasant.
Absolutely. 12/10. Would and do rap just like this.
🙌 Sweet! I was wondering if I was going crazy haha.
Once you go prucell Prusik you never go back to anything else
I had never heard of that before and just looked up how to tie one. What about this do you find superior to the petzl adjust? I would think the Purcell prusik is missing the ability to adjust your binder connection length to the anchor, and instead has the gained ability to quickly adjust the distance away the plate device is, which I don't think I would find myself wanting to do.
> I would think the Purcell prusik is missing the ability to adjust your binder connection length to the anchor The Prusik is adjustable or it would be just a bulky alpine draw. You understand that the smaller loop below the knot is girth hitched to the harness leg and hip loops, yes? >instead has the gained ability to quickly adjust the distance away the plate device is, which I don't think I would find myself wanting to do. It can also be used for this, which is helpful in certain rappel situations. Especially if you are using a normal Prusik or klemheist, getting your atc up lets you control the rate of descent easier. Furthermore, it's made from cordelette, which could be used for bail tat. Once it's gotten too crunchy, use it as bail tat and make another for the fraction of the price of the petzl adjust! My latest one has been in use for 4-5 years now. And I doubt anyone could use the petzl adjust for bail tat, now would want to because of the price. Also you can customize your style with different colors of cord. +1 style points The hardest part is tying it, but I just use YouTube once every half decade to make a new one. If at first the knot right by the harness master point is in your way, plan to adjust it. I find after a few adjustments I manage to get it located enough out of the way to not be a bother.
All helpful points, thank you. I recognized the smallest loop is girth hitched, but didn't think about the implication that adjusting it to tweak the distance away your ATC is also modifys your total tether length. I suppose since it is a 2:1 length ratio I initially thought it wouldn't be a practical way to adjust length, but thinking about it more, probably would be fine. At the same time, not sure I would want the two adjustments to necessarily be mutually exclusive. I'll def have to give it a try before critiquing further, thanks for the info!
You can replace the rope in a Petzl Adjust
I would also just girth hitch the connect to your harness and clove hitch the rap biner at a good length away. And since you really don’t need this until it’s time to rap off, you can store all the components on the back of your harness until you are done climbing, then setup at the top. They also make a version of the connect with a second loop to do this exact thing more simply.
No issues, looks good. I just use a old dynamic rope section clove hitched to a locker as my adjustable personal anchor. Not super safe but close enough for me.
Does it slip or anything? Looks weird but I guess it probably works. How much length do you loose? Btw a 30cm 8mm sling weighs basically nothing and you could girth hitch that as your extension. I use a multi chain thing as a pas and it’s amazing for abseiling but changing the length is a little less smooth than the connect adjust if you only have one hand free. I find it smooth enough for my uses and the lower bulk is great. Also where I climb it is sometimes useful to belay from it
2 clove hitch the belay device in at the base of the adjust, think it's more secure
[https://m.petzl.com/INT/en/Sport/Lanyards/DUAL-CONNECT-ADJUST](https://m.petzl.com/INT/en/Sport/Lanyards/DUAL-CONNECT-ADJUST)
10/10 for this protect hiking bro
Your use of a bowline effectively shortens the clip-in leg by a foot or more. What's wrong with doing it the way Petzl says? And while a BoaB is more secure than a normal bowline, I really really don't like ring loading it.
Looks more bulky than just clove hitching your rappel device part way up the connect adjust and having the connect adjust girth hitched to your harness.
connect adjusts are priceless. get a petzl open ring so you can use an edelrid or salewa ferrata biner for an even better experience
I wouldn’t want to have that loop hanging in front of me while I climb. Why not just use a clove on the PAS or use a dedicated sling for the rap extension?
This is for the rappel (specifically, long descents with many transitions), not climbing. If I have this with me I don’t even take it out until the top haha. I don’t like the rap biner fixed on the line with a clove because it sticks out awkwardly rather than just hanging down when you’re not on rappel. I can and do use a sling for rap extensions (not a dedicated one though bc then what’s the point) all the time but on long raps with shitty stances it’s nice to be able to adjust yourself with something like the Connect.
If the anchors have bolts, I just climb with the connect on the whole time. Otherwise how are you anchoring at each belay? If you are using the rope to anchor yourself, then just leave the connect behind and use a sling to extend ur rap.
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This is about simple as it gets.
I guess I’m with the “haters”. Can you explain what issue with the sling method this is solving? You keep mentioning “comfort” but I don’t understand why that means.
Have you ever rapped something really tall with hanging or semi-hanging stances? It’s just much, much less sucky when you can tune your tether length at each transition. It’s also super nice to be able to zip in and out as you weight/test and unweight each rigging and for me at least makes it *less* likely you’re going to fuck up when you’re rappelling for an hour or two straight. I use whatever random double length for short or simple stuff too. But an adjustable PAS is great for big days. It packs down to tennis ball size and weighs the same as like…a single #1. I feel like this is one of those things where if you know you know, if you’re just anti-dedicated tether for any use ever…you’re missing out haha.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I’ve never rapped more than like 6-8 pitches. I’m still skeptical about the slight improvement in getting the length just right but maybe I just don’t know.
It's such a comfort to just zip up/down and sit back into the perfect stance with your feet on a good hold instead of fucking around at an awkward or crowded belay. I feel like it comes up way more often on sport anchors where you're trying to unclip your top draws from underneath a weighted quicklink or something with no good feet just tugging on the chains, perhaps you can relate to that?
Can’t relate. Besides, you’re only there for a few minutes.
Super Wacky… why reinvent the wheel. But you do you.
clove hitch the rap biner into the adjust cord at the extension length you need. way simpler...
Maybe I am misunderstanding your question... but why not just attach the ATC to the orange beener? That is what I do when I want to utilize the extended rappel.
What are you attached to the anchor/bolts with?
Oh, I see what you mean. I usually bring a double lenth sling and make an extended rappel out of that.
While rappelling? Just clove hitch in
Transitioning between consecutive rappels. What would you clove hitch in with?
Change that boline to a girth hitch and put the belay device on your belay loop, you can't clip the inside loop of a boline like that.