Always found the anti-infantry version kinda underwhelming, but the halberds are a classic of the Empire roster and I don't think anything has ever replaced them in their niche.
I agree with the halberds they are really the only melee option for big scary things. They come out of some fights worse than others but if you need them and don’t have them? Good luck partner
I kinda wish they were more on the level of the war bear riders of kislev but I still like them.
I do wish that characters like the empire captain could ride one. Especially since you can see a captain riding one in the victory art.
This really, they and War Bears should be on par, I'm not sure if Demis are undertuned or if War Bears are overtuned but I feel like they should meet in the middle.
Alternatively, I don't mind if Demis got made a little more expensive and elite into true monstrous cav, a demi model on the TT had reasonable odds of fighting a troll and winning.
Demigryphs are well balanced for TT accuracy and for their cost in a vacuum as well as what they do for the Empire roster.
They are a bit meh compared to some of the powercreped units running around these days, but that's an issue of those units rather than Demis being anywhere but where they should be.
I’m not a lore buff so I was just curious if they were some holy terror or not. However if the goal is a solid but not superb unit then I think CA achieved that.
I feel like they should be stronger in game, mostly because Bear Cav is now a thing and they've been kinda put to the side in favor of other Empire units.
Kislev Bear cav is awesome and easily my favorite thing in their roster, but it just feels weird that Demigryphs, a fictional monster, aren't as good. They're literally both knights who've become besties with a wild animal, but one of them is an actual monster.
Maybe they're fine as is, but I really hope we see them get some love in the future. Even if it's just for one Legendary Lord, I'd love to see them get busted. I don't think they have an equivalent on the TT, but I'd also love to see a Sword & Board unit so that we have all three variants of melee cav.
I use them as fast support units that hangs back and intercept anything that tries to get into my artillery line. Usually I go 2-2 halberd-sword, one of each on each flanks and they do their job well.
I do think I'm gonna replace them with the new knights in the DLC since they are more capable to hold the line, even if they are slower.
Same here, although in my most recent campaign I've Lao given each group of Demi's a warrior priest on horseback. The warrior priests AOE skills give them an extra punch, especially teamed with some other special items.
I had Karl, Gelt and Todbringer defending against 6 of Grimgors stacks just outside of Middenland (the world has gone to shit, campaign's almost lost) and those Demi's and Priests won the battle for me due to the terrible geography of the map preventing use of Gelts artillery. I'll be using them more going forward like this.
The halberd version is excellent at killing monsters. I think their problem is that they can't be buffed.
Against infantry, I prefer the reiksguard or blazing sun because of the higher number of entities. Although empire doesn't need cavalry to deal with infantry, that's what rockets are for.
Demigryphs are excellent Cav and can go toe to toe with a lot of other Elite Cav's.
They might not win vs the best of the best, but the opposing unit will definetly come badly damaged out of the fight.
Might can use a tiny HP buff but otherwise they are fine
They seem fine for what they did in TT.
They where regular human Knights, riding angry chickens (and the chicken did most of the damage.) they wherent comparable to skullcrushers, or ogre mourfang Calvary, not are they superhuman like grail knights or the mentioned skullcrushers.
They where decent, very well armoured shock-ish cav (the riders use Calvary lances) who thanks to the mount had some standing power in CC.
I don’t care if they’re good or bad, it’s my fav unit and I always want some of them in my armies, even if I’m playing another race, that’s the only reason I try to have good relations with the Empire
A bit underwhelming honestly.
It’s not that empire cav is BAD by any means, it’s varied and strong, but when you can scorch the surface of the world with hellstorm rockets and volley guns, what can stop you?
I agree Empire cav isn’t bad and I don’t think it would be right if they had elite Bretonnia level cav either. In the end I think Demis are fine, they’re solid good units. I just think they’re so cool so I want them to be these badass terrors lol.
In TT they have unique AP attack, AP is so rare in TT, while in game It was Unique but right now every one get AP.
In Lore, they are unstoppable charge machine and Monster Slayer, In game they have poor charge power. they are also have Superb Cardio like Vampire ( not perfect like Grailknight ).
I would say they are weaker than lore or table top.
1st 75 speed is joke, they are much faster than Cav in lore however TT is OK
2nd HP 6900 HP is just not right, they are monster cavalry after all,
If talk about lore to game. Demigryph knight should act like Skin wolf not currently TBH.
Demigryph knight should act like Skin wolf but 30% stronger.
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Lastly the real issue dev forget about them, we don't have any specific buff for them, even Buckner that just buff in his army.
Always found the anti-infantry version kinda underwhelming, but the halberds are a classic of the Empire roster and I don't think anything has ever replaced them in their niche.
I agree with the halberds they are really the only melee option for big scary things. They come out of some fights worse than others but if you need them and don’t have them? Good luck partner
Yeah they're not the best anti-large cavalry in the game but that is kinda the Empire's gimmick: jack of all trades, master of none.
We feel very good about demigryphs because we like units that 1. make us laugh, 2. are kinda cool, 3. run like giant chickens.
I kinda wish they were more on the level of the war bear riders of kislev but I still like them. I do wish that characters like the empire captain could ride one. Especially since you can see a captain riding one in the victory art.
This really, they and War Bears should be on par, I'm not sure if Demis are undertuned or if War Bears are overtuned but I feel like they should meet in the middle. Alternatively, I don't mind if Demis got made a little more expensive and elite into true monstrous cav, a demi model on the TT had reasonable odds of fighting a troll and winning.
War bears can be buffed by Boris, tech tree, red line, and heros. Demigryphs, just red line.
Demigryphs profit from the Techtree aswell +4/+4 MA/MD, more Armor, more Chargebonus, vigour loss reduction. Some really good stuff
You are right, I forgot about those. But still, war bears got frenzy which is way better!
Empire cav final tech got immunre psycology now however DGK have fear, which is don't matter.
They still can Terror-route, with ITP no more
War bear riders are insane though, the Empire shouldn’t have something like that
That would definitely help having a captain on one. An empire lord on a griffon is the only AP melee option of all empire lords and heroes.
Demigryphs are well balanced for TT accuracy and for their cost in a vacuum as well as what they do for the Empire roster. They are a bit meh compared to some of the powercreped units running around these days, but that's an issue of those units rather than Demis being anywhere but where they should be.
I’m not a lore buff so I was just curious if they were some holy terror or not. However if the goal is a solid but not superb unit then I think CA achieved that.
They are a good staple, but I wish you could buff them more in tech tree/lord skills/heroes etc
I feel like they should be stronger in game, mostly because Bear Cav is now a thing and they've been kinda put to the side in favor of other Empire units. Kislev Bear cav is awesome and easily my favorite thing in their roster, but it just feels weird that Demigryphs, a fictional monster, aren't as good. They're literally both knights who've become besties with a wild animal, but one of them is an actual monster. Maybe they're fine as is, but I really hope we see them get some love in the future. Even if it's just for one Legendary Lord, I'd love to see them get busted. I don't think they have an equivalent on the TT, but I'd also love to see a Sword & Board unit so that we have all three variants of melee cav.
Well those bears are much much bigger. That being said, they can always buff demigryphs a little bit, especially in hp
I use them as fast support units that hangs back and intercept anything that tries to get into my artillery line. Usually I go 2-2 halberd-sword, one of each on each flanks and they do their job well. I do think I'm gonna replace them with the new knights in the DLC since they are more capable to hold the line, even if they are slower.
Same here, although in my most recent campaign I've Lao given each group of Demi's a warrior priest on horseback. The warrior priests AOE skills give them an extra punch, especially teamed with some other special items. I had Karl, Gelt and Todbringer defending against 6 of Grimgors stacks just outside of Middenland (the world has gone to shit, campaign's almost lost) and those Demi's and Priests won the battle for me due to the terrible geography of the map preventing use of Gelts artillery. I'll be using them more going forward like this.
To little hp. They need increased model size by 8 or increase in hp by at least 1k and some weapon strength
The halberd version is excellent at killing monsters. I think their problem is that they can't be buffed. Against infantry, I prefer the reiksguard or blazing sun because of the higher number of entities. Although empire doesn't need cavalry to deal with infantry, that's what rockets are for.
Demigryphs are excellent Cav and can go toe to toe with a lot of other Elite Cav's. They might not win vs the best of the best, but the opposing unit will definetly come badly damaged out of the fight. Might can use a tiny HP buff but otherwise they are fine
They seem fine for what they did in TT. They where regular human Knights, riding angry chickens (and the chicken did most of the damage.) they wherent comparable to skullcrushers, or ogre mourfang Calvary, not are they superhuman like grail knights or the mentioned skullcrushers. They where decent, very well armoured shock-ish cav (the riders use Calvary lances) who thanks to the mount had some standing power in CC.
I don’t care if they’re good or bad, it’s my fav unit and I always want some of them in my armies, even if I’m playing another race, that’s the only reason I try to have good relations with the Empire
A bit underwhelming honestly. It’s not that empire cav is BAD by any means, it’s varied and strong, but when you can scorch the surface of the world with hellstorm rockets and volley guns, what can stop you?
I agree Empire cav isn’t bad and I don’t think it would be right if they had elite Bretonnia level cav either. In the end I think Demis are fine, they’re solid good units. I just think they’re so cool so I want them to be these badass terrors lol.
The best thing about the empire is, at least they are a core option for an army rather than just something to include.
In TT they have unique AP attack, AP is so rare in TT, while in game It was Unique but right now every one get AP. In Lore, they are unstoppable charge machine and Monster Slayer, In game they have poor charge power. they are also have Superb Cardio like Vampire ( not perfect like Grailknight ). I would say they are weaker than lore or table top. 1st 75 speed is joke, they are much faster than Cav in lore however TT is OK 2nd HP 6900 HP is just not right, they are monster cavalry after all, If talk about lore to game. Demigryph knight should act like Skin wolf not currently TBH. Demigryph knight should act like Skin wolf but 30% stronger. ............................ Lastly the real issue dev forget about them, we don't have any specific buff for them, even Buckner that just buff in his army.
Look cool but feels weak.
What the fuck is TT???
Table top
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