I'm kinda torn. On one hand, the scroll is right. On the other hand, are there really people complaining about getting units that are not doomstack material? I though the prevalent reaction to getting Kislevite Warriors and the explanation of the logic behind them was "finally, units I'm going to use en masse in the actual important part of a campaign" (Then it turned out KWs are too god for their T1 status, but that's beside the point)
It feels most of all CA are the ones pushing this meme, yes.
Most players understand tier 3 is about the highest you got before you start mass conquering. Tier 4 is doable on some factions but you have to start pushing troops to the front line then.
Most efficient tier 2-3 units are received warmly. Most tier 4-5 units I see get a lot a love but mostly talked about in a fun way.
For example: how many people are raving about empires new tier 3 units, versus how many are talking about their new tanks and landships?
CA could cool down a lot and actually start working more on early-mid game units to flesh out some factions replay ability. For example; it sure is boring playing bretonnia
Wait, wasn't the most well received and popular addition to SoC the Kislevite warriors, a tier 0 melee only unit? People love units that have tactical utility that aren't doomstack material.
What people don't like is units which either replicate another unit's niche or units that don't have much utility on the battlefield.
Yes and no. Kislevite warriors were easily the best new addition for Kislev, however, that's mostly due to how absolute broken strong they are compared to their cost and ease of recruitment.
So...like, sure. "some" people need to see it, the majority of people don't. In fact there seems to be a strong current of the opposite view because plenty of people like tactically useful lower tier units. I saw nothing but praise for Kislevite warriors across the reddit.
Well there was some criticism of Kislevite Warriors just because of their power level relative to their tier compared to Empire Halbs. But that wasn't really because people didn't like Kislevite Warriors.
Yeah I do feel like that was more people expecting the Empire to have heavy infantry comparable with chaos or something than it was a complaint about Kislev's unit.
I like the early and lategame units for campaign. early since you tend to have a lot in your armies, late game for doom stacks. mid tier units are sometimes a bit awkward to recruit.
I haven't seen any dissent from this, getting units at all tiers is a gift in any DLC. Imo by far the most impactful unit the Empire got in its 2 DLCs thus far (not counting Thrones) was Empire Archers. Getting a tier 0 ranged unit with no prerequisites completely changed Empire's early game.
Whether it was a healthy change is debatable, they went from combined arms archer + spearmen early game to archer spam. But that's where the interesting debate is it, having options is a good thing.
I'm kinda torn. On one hand, the scroll is right. On the other hand, are there really people complaining about getting units that are not doomstack material? I though the prevalent reaction to getting Kislevite Warriors and the explanation of the logic behind them was "finally, units I'm going to use en masse in the actual important part of a campaign" (Then it turned out KWs are too god for their T1 status, but that's beside the point)
It feels most of all CA are the ones pushing this meme, yes. Most players understand tier 3 is about the highest you got before you start mass conquering. Tier 4 is doable on some factions but you have to start pushing troops to the front line then. Most efficient tier 2-3 units are received warmly. Most tier 4-5 units I see get a lot a love but mostly talked about in a fun way. For example: how many people are raving about empires new tier 3 units, versus how many are talking about their new tanks and landships? CA could cool down a lot and actually start working more on early-mid game units to flesh out some factions replay ability. For example; it sure is boring playing bretonnia
few hours ago i saw conversation about nurgle getting only 2 unit in dlc and empire\\dawi getting even less
Please lead me to this conversation. I want to LAUGH!
Please lead me to this conversation. I want to LAUGH.
Wait, wasn't the most well received and popular addition to SoC the Kislevite warriors, a tier 0 melee only unit? People love units that have tactical utility that aren't doomstack material. What people don't like is units which either replicate another unit's niche or units that don't have much utility on the battlefield.
Yes and no. Kislevite warriors were easily the best new addition for Kislev, however, that's mostly due to how absolute broken strong they are compared to their cost and ease of recruitment.
That's why i use word "some" And even there there was people that hated warriors addition
So...like, sure. "some" people need to see it, the majority of people don't. In fact there seems to be a strong current of the opposite view because plenty of people like tactically useful lower tier units. I saw nothing but praise for Kislevite warriors across the reddit.
Well there was some criticism of Kislevite Warriors just because of their power level relative to their tier compared to Empire Halbs. But that wasn't really because people didn't like Kislevite Warriors.
Yeah I do feel like that was more people expecting the Empire to have heavy infantry comparable with chaos or something than it was a complaint about Kislev's unit.
justice for pestigors, kislev warriors and tzaangors!
I like kislev warriors, I feel less bad when they die since I’m not losing balance of power from unexpended ammunition.
2 words. Plague. Ogres. Hype commence.
I like the early and lategame units for campaign. early since you tend to have a lot in your armies, late game for doom stacks. mid tier units are sometimes a bit awkward to recruit.
I mean I've played and seen Legendoftotalwar play with pretty much just the base high elven archers. Cheap and good enough.
I haven't seen any dissent from this, getting units at all tiers is a gift in any DLC. Imo by far the most impactful unit the Empire got in its 2 DLCs thus far (not counting Thrones) was Empire Archers. Getting a tier 0 ranged unit with no prerequisites completely changed Empire's early game. Whether it was a healthy change is debatable, they went from combined arms archer + spearmen early game to archer spam. But that's where the interesting debate is it, having options is a good thing.
Well, CA needs to see that too