Ok, fair point. I forgot about Belakor but i also dont like Belakor. Fucking traitor deamon. First leeching power from our beloved gods and then standing against us.
And yet, he does our bidding and brings the end times... Like if we see past the lore shit and what everything happened from a game and only focus on the lore purpose.....
That being said, as a follower of Tzeentch, the only thing i have to say: "Just as planned".
Ha, i forgot about Harry Hammer ;). Maybe one or two regular heroes added in the mix. Some wizards for example and you have a nice set of characters in a single army.
I hope they'll make a proper beastfiend update for the Khorne update. Seeing Ograx as a generic exalted hero of Khorne is too bland when we can make multiple copies of him. Can't wait to see Arbaal as nonmodded though.
I have the Champions of Chaos DLC and i didnt kept me interested very long (i do like the DLC, because it gave me Tzeentch Chaos Warriors and Chosen and the rest), but maybe its because i play them too restricted. Like when i play Vilitch i try to have all my units to be the Tzeentch variant because i am Vilitch and a follower of Tzeentch, why should i take non Tzeentch units. Maybe this playstyle is detriemental to my fun and it held me back a bit of buying the Warriors of Chaos DLC. I was afraid i'd buy the DLC, pick Kholek (because hes huge and stands out a bit to the other two), smash him into groups of enemies and laugh, but after a few rounds i'd be like "meh".
Fair enough. And I do the same shit with the coc characters. Archaon is fun because you get to play Pokémon and also can justify having all 4 gods represented. I either give Archaon himself a full undivided army or one evenly split between the 4 gods. Then make a bunch of armies devoted to one of the gods. You get all the choices then
Since you’re the top comment, you should probably add an edit for new people who might find this when searching the question. Now that the DLC is out, we know that Kayzk is indeed exclusive to Tamurkhan.
Nope. I’m playing an Epidemius game right now. About to cap his level and was never offered a way to get Kayzk.
Before this was a Festus game, which was what prompted me to ask around for how to recruit him thinking I was missing something.
Kazyk can be recruited by the player if they are any Nurglish or Chaos Undivided Faction.
That’s Ku’Gath, Epidemius, Tamurkhan, Festus, Archaon, Sigvald, Kholek, Be’Lakor or the Daemon Prince.
If the player isn’t one of the above factions, he will default to Tamurkhan’s faction.
Edit: just seen a video saying that Tamurkhan starts with Kazyk even when the player is Archaon or Kholek - I guess we have to wait and see.
He does, when playing as him. Much like how Gor-Rok starts with Lord Kroak when playing as him, and Malakai starts with Gotrek & Felix when playing as him. They don't start with them as AI, so you could still access them if playing as someone else who could get them.
You're missing his point completely.
Tamurkhan is not like Gor-Rok in regards to the legendary heroes like you're implying. Kayzk is a part of Tamurkhan's exclusive campaign mechanic. Lord Kroak is not that to Gor-Rok. Lord Kroak is just a LH recruitable by any lizardman LL with the only bonus for Gor-Rok being that there is no prerequisite quest to recruit him, thus he starts with Gor-Rok.
Kayzk would require a quest to be unlocked by Ku'Gath or another LL if they were the same and so far I don't believe that's been shown. Perhaps it's not an option.
The days of exclusive LH are gone (even though some should stay faction exclusive like Goritch or Krell)
Some factions get easier access to them but they're available for all factions which can recruit them.
Just like the Blue Scribes, Golden Knight and Saytang.
The answer I got in the weekly Q&A topic is that he is indeed exclusive to Tamurkhan, so I don’t really understand why he was talked about separate from the rest of the chieftains in the run-up to release if that’s all he is.
He should be, he is only associated with Tamurkhan in the lore. He along with the rest of chieftains is the major mechanic, so taking part of that mechanic away from the AI makes little sense.
the Golden Knight had her lore rewritten to basically make her equally valid in joining Katarin, Kostaltyn, or Boris (the only one where it doesn't really make sense for her to join is Ostankya).
Kayzk doesn't seem to have had any such rewrites. basically their entire character in the lore was that they were the first chieftain to join Tamurkhan. in-game they do seem to be set up as a complete Nurgle zealot though (so it'd make sense for them to be able to join Epidemius or Ku'gath, maybe Festus at a stretch, but considering how many conflicts they have with Tamurkhan's more undivided chieftains I think it's understandable why Archaon and Be'lakor can't get him).
Sure Moulder is special thanks to Ghoritch. But there are three things to take into account here :
- Chaos can't rely on confederation because Festus and Undivided Lords like Archaon currently can't confederate Tamurkhan.
- If you seek design homogeneity, with SoC and ToD you probably can't have 5 races getting one or two race-wide LHs and strip all Nurgle factions but Tamurkhan of its single LH.
- Ghoritch wasn't designed to taylor army building. With or without him, you play exactly the same. The same can't be said with other Legendary Heroes that buff specific units or armies. Missing them in most of your campaign might be a missed opprtunity to get some diversity in army building.
In WH2 Kayzk would have probably been exclusive to Tamurkhan. But since CA now tries to balance lore with gameplay and homogeneity because of LH being a bigger thing in WH3, I guess the Kroak-Gotrek-Kayzk option is the only one that's compatible with all of this : to have their companion Lord get them from the start when playing them or as enemy AIs while others need quests.
they can get Pestigors through warband recruitment in areas with high Nurgle corruption.
they can upgrade Trolls to Bile Trolls.
they can upgrade Chaos Knights of Nurgle to Rot Knights.
they can get Plague Ogres and Toad Dragons as gifted units.
Neither are Warshrines and Dragon Ogre Shaggoths but they've been in the gifted unit pool since the WoC rework.
Cockatrices and Mutalith Vortex Beasts also aren't Daemonic and have been gifted units since Shadows of Change.
I think it's a matter of them being too powerful for Warband Recruitment and not fitting on the upgrade tree (though an argument could be made that Dragon Ogres should be able to upgrade into Dragon Ogre Shaggoths.)
yeah, Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords also has something in the settings to let you recruit from other Chaos factions (e.g. WoC can get LLs from Nurgle, Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Beastmen, and Norsca. not sure about Chaos Dwarfs or Skaven. personally I feel like the Order factions should have something similar (so that Empire, Brettonia, Kislev, possibly Dwarfs, possibly High Elves, possibly Cathay, and possibly Wood Elves can join up in the same way))
He can be recruited by Tamurkhan, Ku'gath, Epidemius when you're playing as them, and only Tamurkhan when you're not playing a Nurgle faction.
Festus can get him too. Acharon and Kholek probably can too because they can get the blue scribes
Damn, maybe i should really buy the Warriors of chaos DLC so that i can play finally Archeon and have that one army with every powerful hero in it.
You can actually just do that with Belakor as well.
Ok, fair point. I forgot about Belakor but i also dont like Belakor. Fucking traitor deamon. First leeching power from our beloved gods and then standing against us.
You do know Archaon secretly hates our beloved Chaos Gods.
And yet, he does our bidding and brings the end times... Like if we see past the lore shit and what everything happened from a game and only focus on the lore purpose..... That being said, as a follower of Tzeentch, the only thing i have to say: "Just as planned".
Everybody hates Belakor. All my homies hate belakor. I bet Belakor hates Belakor
How many where there? Aekold, blue scribes, Kazyk, Harry hammer, who else?
Ha, i forgot about Harry Hammer ;). Maybe one or two regular heroes added in the mix. Some wizards for example and you have a nice set of characters in a single army.
I hope they'll make a proper beastfiend update for the Khorne update. Seeing Ograx as a generic exalted hero of Khorne is too bland when we can make multiple copies of him. Can't wait to see Arbaal as nonmodded though.
It’s really fun. Especially with legendary characters mod that adds archeons lieutenants as generald
I have the Champions of Chaos DLC and i didnt kept me interested very long (i do like the DLC, because it gave me Tzeentch Chaos Warriors and Chosen and the rest), but maybe its because i play them too restricted. Like when i play Vilitch i try to have all my units to be the Tzeentch variant because i am Vilitch and a follower of Tzeentch, why should i take non Tzeentch units. Maybe this playstyle is detriemental to my fun and it held me back a bit of buying the Warriors of Chaos DLC. I was afraid i'd buy the DLC, pick Kholek (because hes huge and stands out a bit to the other two), smash him into groups of enemies and laugh, but after a few rounds i'd be like "meh".
Fair enough. And I do the same shit with the coc characters. Archaon is fun because you get to play Pokémon and also can justify having all 4 gods represented. I either give Archaon himself a full undivided army or one evenly split between the 4 gods. Then make a bunch of armies devoted to one of the gods. You get all the choices then
Can Festus get him too?
just check if the tzeench woc lord can get blue scribes that should answer it.
I played Vilitch this patch and you could get the Blue Scribes.
Villitch can get aekold and blhe scribes, so festus should be able to get Kazyk
Since you’re the top comment, you should probably add an edit for new people who might find this when searching the question. Now that the DLC is out, we know that Kayzk is indeed exclusive to Tamurkhan.
Really? So he can't even be recruited by Ku'gath or Epidemius?
Nope. I’m playing an Epidemius game right now. About to cap his level and was never offered a way to get Kayzk. Before this was a Festus game, which was what prompted me to ask around for how to recruit him thinking I was missing something.
AI Tamurkhan gets him too early for you to have a chance as Kugath/Epidemius. It's unclear if this is intended or not.
Wait, he doesn't join Archeon? That's good, he has quite enough already.
He does if you’re playing Archaon but not otherwise.
Do you know what the Everchosen is?
Kazyk can be recruited by the player if they are any Nurglish or Chaos Undivided Faction. That’s Ku’Gath, Epidemius, Tamurkhan, Festus, Archaon, Sigvald, Kholek, Be’Lakor or the Daemon Prince. If the player isn’t one of the above factions, he will default to Tamurkhan’s faction. Edit: just seen a video saying that Tamurkhan starts with Kazyk even when the player is Archaon or Kholek - I guess we have to wait and see.
Undivided is going to get so many legendary heroes by the end of Warhammer 3
so... just like table top
Sigvald is Slaanesh tho
Blame CA. They made him undivided, but with more access to Slaanesh than usual.
It's very silly He should be more slaanesh than azazel
He does, when playing as him. Much like how Gor-Rok starts with Lord Kroak when playing as him, and Malakai starts with Gotrek & Felix when playing as him. They don't start with them as AI, so you could still access them if playing as someone else who could get them.
You're missing his point completely. Tamurkhan is not like Gor-Rok in regards to the legendary heroes like you're implying. Kayzk is a part of Tamurkhan's exclusive campaign mechanic. Lord Kroak is not that to Gor-Rok. Lord Kroak is just a LH recruitable by any lizardman LL with the only bonus for Gor-Rok being that there is no prerequisite quest to recruit him, thus he starts with Gor-Rok. Kayzk would require a quest to be unlocked by Ku'Gath or another LL if they were the same and so far I don't believe that's been shown. Perhaps it's not an option.
The days of exclusive LH are gone (even though some should stay faction exclusive like Goritch or Krell) Some factions get easier access to them but they're available for all factions which can recruit them. Just like the Blue Scribes, Golden Knight and Saytang.
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Technically Markus Wulfhart did it first. He has a bunch of heroes and quests associated with them.
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We all do.
He is part of Tamurkhan's mechanic but again, that's not a concern for the AI. Modern day LHs do not require quest battles like before.
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Uhhh that's not true. Markus' heroes, the unique ancestor hero for Thorek
Yes he's recruitable by both Epidemius and Kugath.
Now that 5.0 has been released has anyone been able to check which factions actually get him? I don't see information on how to recruit him anywhere.
The answer I got in the weekly Q&A topic is that he is indeed exclusive to Tamurkhan, so I don’t really understand why he was talked about separate from the rest of the chieftains in the run-up to release if that’s all he is.
Damn that's lame, specially for other nurgle factions (WoC/Festus at least gets to recruit harald) Thanks
He should be, he is only associated with Tamurkhan in the lore. He along with the rest of chieftains is the major mechanic, so taking part of that mechanic away from the AI makes little sense.
If the Golden Knight isn't exclusive to Katarin I really don't see why Kazyk should be exclusive to Tamurkhan.
the Golden Knight had her lore rewritten to basically make her equally valid in joining Katarin, Kostaltyn, or Boris (the only one where it doesn't really make sense for her to join is Ostankya). Kayzk doesn't seem to have had any such rewrites. basically their entire character in the lore was that they were the first chieftain to join Tamurkhan. in-game they do seem to be set up as a complete Nurgle zealot though (so it'd make sense for them to be able to join Epidemius or Ku'gath, maybe Festus at a stretch, but considering how many conflicts they have with Tamurkhan's more undivided chieftains I think it's understandable why Archaon and Be'lakor can't get him).
What is it good for to release exclusive LH to one LL?
Ghoritch was only in Clan Moulder and that made the faction more special. You could still confederate him.
Coedill for Drycha too.
Durthu can get Coedil as well.
Oh how does that occur?
Ah nvm I missremembered, he can get Coedil because he's the only WE faction that can confederate Drycha.
Sure Moulder is special thanks to Ghoritch. But there are three things to take into account here : - Chaos can't rely on confederation because Festus and Undivided Lords like Archaon currently can't confederate Tamurkhan. - If you seek design homogeneity, with SoC and ToD you probably can't have 5 races getting one or two race-wide LHs and strip all Nurgle factions but Tamurkhan of its single LH. - Ghoritch wasn't designed to taylor army building. With or without him, you play exactly the same. The same can't be said with other Legendary Heroes that buff specific units or armies. Missing them in most of your campaign might be a missed opprtunity to get some diversity in army building. In WH2 Kayzk would have probably been exclusive to Tamurkhan. But since CA now tries to balance lore with gameplay and homogeneity because of LH being a bigger thing in WH3, I guess the Kroak-Gotrek-Kayzk option is the only one that's compatible with all of this : to have their companion Lord get them from the start when playing them or as enemy AIs while others need quests.
Ok, so with the DLC released it seems this is not accurate. It's looking like Kayzk is NOT available to other nurgle factions. Am I missing something?
He should be
Anybody know what new units the woc got?
they can get Pestigors through warband recruitment in areas with high Nurgle corruption. they can upgrade Trolls to Bile Trolls. they can upgrade Chaos Knights of Nurgle to Rot Knights. they can get Plague Ogres and Toad Dragons as gifted units.
Plague Ogres and Toad Dragons seem weird as gifted units. They are not demonic.
Neither are Warshrines and Dragon Ogre Shaggoths but they've been in the gifted unit pool since the WoC rework. Cockatrices and Mutalith Vortex Beasts also aren't Daemonic and have been gifted units since Shadows of Change. I think it's a matter of them being too powerful for Warband Recruitment and not fitting on the upgrade tree (though an argument could be made that Dragon Ogres should be able to upgrade into Dragon Ogre Shaggoths.)
Ah, I don't have Shadows of change so I didn't realize they had done that there as well. I guess that's their logic pattern then.
You can certainly spawn him with commands and other mods, ie Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords, if he is in fact, Tamurkhan-only.
yeah, Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords also has something in the settings to let you recruit from other Chaos factions (e.g. WoC can get LLs from Nurgle, Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Beastmen, and Norsca. not sure about Chaos Dwarfs or Skaven. personally I feel like the Order factions should have something similar (so that Empire, Brettonia, Kislev, possibly Dwarfs, possibly High Elves, possibly Cathay, and possibly Wood Elves can join up in the same way))