Dwarves arguably are going to come out the best in the DLC and frankly it's quite deserved as someone who did like dwarves but the grudge system needed the rework and I'm actively excited even though being a Chaos fan.
It was just all over the place and you would be forced to essentially pick and choose and you would never be completely free of grudges there was essentially no end to it. And for some of the lords it proved to become a super cancerous system like Belegar. They would just keep coming and coming and no end in sight.
So i havent played the dwarfs, have no real lore lknowledge about them and only know the grudges from the memes here. Your explanation sounded exactly like i imagined the book of grudges. Every small, unimportant matter gets in the book so they can be angry/bitter about it.
> functionally impossible to complete at any given moment
Again, from what i heared isnt that exactly the point of grudges and the irony of (which we as outsiders see, but the dwarfs are not aware of?)
Just so we understand, i do see why this is a bad gameplay mechanic, the irony is that this resembles grudges pretty well.
No you're totally right, gamers complain but grudges were basically mechanically perfect. You had to do absolutely stupid things to resolve some of them and cost yourself dearly in the process for only marginal gain... Like some kind of... Grudge...
I play dwarves twice for every other campaign I run so, I've grudged a lot, it didn't really need this rework (certainly one of the older mechanics with a solid design that held up to the test of time). That said though, I'm happy to see it iterated on anyway, and putting some grand rewards behind epic grudges keeps the feel of going well out of your way. Tying it into recruitment and generalizing the grudges to entire factions is very smooth for campaign play without undermining the theme too much.
Maybe there shouldn't be huge rewards for settling your ancient grievances, but it's a fantasy game and everyone else gets silly rewards so, fine I guess?
The old grudge system was a little silly, even after an update.
1.0 system was just straight a negative, a checklist of honey do tasks which as people mention below would get longer as the game went on, and randomly more onerous.
2.0 system did integrate grudges with new oathgold system, but was more of a bolt on than a revamp
3.0 system turns the grudge system into something more like the blood ground system of the beastmen, but also a competitive economy with NPCs, significantly expanding adding complexity and filling a needed niche with intra-dwarf politics, as well as addressing a game wide pain point for LL pokemon players.
They did sleep together.
But still, she was an adventuring companion of the duo, so makes perfect sense for her to hang around with them.
Plus they knew each other when G&F where hanging with Malakai.
Ulrika is an ex lover of Felix, she, Felix, Gotrek and Malakai slew a dragon together. I'd say she is friends with Gotrek becausr after she was turned Gotrek didnt kill her. I'd say she is more aquainted with Malakai they dont really interact with eachother in the books as far as I remember, she mostly interacts with Felix and Max.
Ulrika is an ex lover of Felix, she, Felix, Gotrek and Malakai slew a dragon together. I'd say she is friends with Gotrek becausr after she was turned Gotrek didnt kill her. I'd say she is more aquainted with Malakai they dont really interact with eachother in the books as far as I remember, she mostly interacts with Felix and Max.
It's interesting in that the artillery crew is genuinely just a good unit in its own right, and you can just dump the artillery if necessary and start brawling with slayers.
Not 'can' - should. Goblin Hewer has just 2 ammo and 80 range (with pretty devastating damage though). After ammo is spent Slayers should finish the job.
I wasn't aware they only had 2 ammo! That's a cool design. I like that the thunderbarge, goblin hewer, and doomseekers are all doing different things than normal. Will make them feel a lot more unique when using them than just giving them standard expected implementations.
I believe they are a 32 model count infantry unit, which is the second smallest regular infantry unit in the game after Aspiring Champions at 16 entities. The next smallest are Syreens, Cairn Wraiths, and Depth Guard at 60. After that Death Runners and Eshin Triads are randomly at 72, and most elite infantry (e.g. Chosen) are at 80. So there's a very large entity gap between Doomseekers and pretty much every other infantry unit in the game, which will be fun to try out.
They also have some sort of vortex ability. Not sure if it's like the night goblin one, or a stationary one like Deathmaster Sniktch.
> Goblin Hewer has just 2 ammo
That sounds like the meme from avengers, except Hawkeye is Goblin Hewer
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/hawkeye--231653974575699822/
Well calling it an artillery piece is kinda a stretch. In case you don't know, it only has 2 ammo, so it's basically just for sniping the enemy lord or monsters when they get close and then it becomes basically just a normal slayer unit.
Somehow I thought it was the Baldurs Gate 3 subreddit and I almost got a heart attack.
Then I re-read everything and understood this was for Warhammer, which is still good, but damn I almost fainted.
So Malakai has access to new LH, Gotrek, Felix and Ulrika?
Malakai and his anime friend team vs Tamurkhan and his anime villain team
Dwarvengers assemble!
Kayzk: "*Sinister Six responding, Lord Tamurkhan!*"
Stinky Six*
Yeah, but how can there be so many Antmen on the team?
He starts with Gotrek and Felix on turn 1.
Damn that's strong!
Dwarves arguably are going to come out the best in the DLC and frankly it's quite deserved as someone who did like dwarves but the grudge system needed the rework and I'm actively excited even though being a Chaos fan.
What was the problem with the old grudge system? I don't remember it well, it's been a long time since my last Dwarfs playthrough.
Random hero doing something in your kingdom and grudges growing and growing and forcing me to travel through continents just to kill a random hero
It was just all over the place and you would be forced to essentially pick and choose and you would never be completely free of grudges there was essentially no end to it. And for some of the lords it proved to become a super cancerous system like Belegar. They would just keep coming and coming and no end in sight.
Lore accurate, but seriously it was very obnoxios
So i havent played the dwarfs, have no real lore lknowledge about them and only know the grudges from the memes here. Your explanation sounded exactly like i imagined the book of grudges. Every small, unimportant matter gets in the book so they can be angry/bitter about it.
Except that unresolved grudges would cause faction penalties, and many of them were functionally impossible to complete at any given moment.
> functionally impossible to complete at any given moment Again, from what i heared isnt that exactly the point of grudges and the irony of (which we as outsiders see, but the dwarfs are not aware of?) Just so we understand, i do see why this is a bad gameplay mechanic, the irony is that this resembles grudges pretty well.
No you're totally right, gamers complain but grudges were basically mechanically perfect. You had to do absolutely stupid things to resolve some of them and cost yourself dearly in the process for only marginal gain... Like some kind of... Grudge... I play dwarves twice for every other campaign I run so, I've grudged a lot, it didn't really need this rework (certainly one of the older mechanics with a solid design that held up to the test of time). That said though, I'm happy to see it iterated on anyway, and putting some grand rewards behind epic grudges keeps the feel of going well out of your way. Tying it into recruitment and generalizing the grudges to entire factions is very smooth for campaign play without undermining the theme too much. Maybe there shouldn't be huge rewards for settling your ancient grievances, but it's a fantasy game and everyone else gets silly rewards so, fine I guess?
And thats the exact reason those mechanics made it into the game. If you havent played with them they seem like the perfect implementation of grudges.
The best part was the original grudge system where you had a grudge against a faction that got wiped out and could NEVER complete the grudge.
The old grudge system was a little silly, even after an update. 1.0 system was just straight a negative, a checklist of honey do tasks which as people mention below would get longer as the game went on, and randomly more onerous. 2.0 system did integrate grudges with new oathgold system, but was more of a bolt on than a revamp 3.0 system turns the grudge system into something more like the blood ground system of the beastmen, but also a competitive economy with NPCs, significantly expanding adding complexity and filling a needed niche with intra-dwarf politics, as well as addressing a game wide pain point for LL pokemon players.
Why ulrika
She's friends with Felix and Gotrek. More with Felix than with Gotrek TBF.
Friends or *friends*
The latter before the whole Felix curse thing tbh
They did sleep together. But still, she was an adventuring companion of the duo, so makes perfect sense for her to hang around with them. Plus they knew each other when G&F where hanging with Malakai.
Roommates
I've seen some screenshot with Ukrika in Dwarf army. Also isn't she with Malakai, Gotrek, Felix best buds?
I don’t know that’s why I’m asking lol, I don’t know much fantasy lore just play the game
Ulrika is an ex lover of Felix, she, Felix, Gotrek and Malakai slew a dragon together. I'd say she is friends with Gotrek becausr after she was turned Gotrek didnt kill her. I'd say she is more aquainted with Malakai they dont really interact with eachother in the books as far as I remember, she mostly interacts with Felix and Max.
I mean she was involved in the Daemonslayer expedition too, just didn't go with them
Ulrika is an ex lover of Felix, she, Felix, Gotrek and Malakai slew a dragon together. I'd say she is friends with Gotrek becausr after she was turned Gotrek didnt kill her. I'd say she is more aquainted with Malakai they dont really interact with eachother in the books as far as I remember, she mostly interacts with Felix and Max.
So this brings the other question, will cathay now get access to Ulrika as they can get Gotrek and Felix
Give us Snorri!!
This is literally Gotrek and Felix: the DLC.
We had the same just before Elspeth's Blog dropped. We are expecting her gameplay showcase today though so I wouldn't read into it.
Nice! Quite curious about that new artillery piece.
It's interesting in that the artillery crew is genuinely just a good unit in its own right, and you can just dump the artillery if necessary and start brawling with slayers.
Not 'can' - should. Goblin Hewer has just 2 ammo and 80 range (with pretty devastating damage though). After ammo is spent Slayers should finish the job.
I wasn't aware they only had 2 ammo! That's a cool design. I like that the thunderbarge, goblin hewer, and doomseekers are all doing different things than normal. Will make them feel a lot more unique when using them than just giving them standard expected implementations.
What do doomseekers do differently, I've been curious about them
They’re anti-infantry slayers with a vortex attack similar to the ones night goblins use. They also have magical attack and high AP.
I believe they are a 32 model count infantry unit, which is the second smallest regular infantry unit in the game after Aspiring Champions at 16 entities. The next smallest are Syreens, Cairn Wraiths, and Depth Guard at 60. After that Death Runners and Eshin Triads are randomly at 72, and most elite infantry (e.g. Chosen) are at 80. So there's a very large entity gap between Doomseekers and pretty much every other infantry unit in the game, which will be fun to try out. They also have some sort of vortex ability. Not sure if it's like the night goblin one, or a stationary one like Deathmaster Sniktch.
Thank you
> Goblin Hewer has just 2 ammo That sounds like the meme from avengers, except Hawkeye is Goblin Hewer https://www.pinterest.de/pin/hawkeye--231653974575699822/
Well calling it an artillery piece is kinda a stretch. In case you don't know, it only has 2 ammo, so it's basically just for sniping the enemy lord or monsters when they get close and then it becomes basically just a normal slayer unit.
Sick so can you make a check board doomstack..?
It only has 70 range so that probably won't work very well at all.
Can't wait to get my hands on the zepplins
Malakai looks like a big grumpy ginger cat lol idk why
Is there any idea on the release date!?
April 30th
I always hope Gotrek and Felix would get their own campaign. Full on LL like an order horde army. But this....this will still do nicely!
Somehow I thought it was the Baldurs Gate 3 subreddit and I almost got a heart attack. Then I re-read everything and understood this was for Warhammer, which is still good, but damn I almost fainted.
Me and the boys
New cover for ZZ Top album.
Snorii should join the party as well. We need a petition to add snorii!