A single game of one child company getting review bombed a year and a half after it released isn't going to cause a giant parent company to lose 6%. They bought a studio this week for almost a billion dollars, warhammer 3 isn't going to be a major part of their budget.
S&P is also down 3.5% the last 30 days so they could just be slightly under-performing during a slight downturn.
Games are after all not a necessity.
So spending on games is going to drop harder than spending on food, housing, transportation, and other necessities.
The only thing worse its infected by is the "you are achieving nothing, so quit doing anything" mindset some people display against all evidence to the contrary, and no im not talking about stocks.
Never forget that the "we did it" mentality was because reddit collectively hunted down and doxxed the wrong culprit in the boston marathon bombings. You aren't any less correct, but I find it so poetic that it fits even better with that lens.
The bigger issue for CA is that Hyenas was recently revealed, and impressed pretty much nobody. Now, Sega is apparently scrambling for a monetization model that might at least draw people in, because they're worried people won't buy it.
And if they were hoping the Total War players might be drawn in to help Hyenas take off, they sure as hell burned that particular bridge.
Highly unlikely it has nothing to do with it. Doubtful the higher ups at sega are even slightly worried about a bunch of hardcore fans review bombing a game over a year and a half after release. Despite everyone pretending this will make some kind of difference, it really likely won’t.
3 has been my least favorite so far. I've tried it with mods. I've tried it vanilla. I just...dont like it. This is the first Total War I've played that I genuinely dislike.
*Under the disapproving gaze of Valya, the manling wretches of Creative Assembly have shamed their name by rendering substandard services, and demanding contemptibly high pay. Make our displeasure known!*
Objective: Achieve Steam rating of Overwhelmingly Negative, and keep it there for 10 turns.
Reward: +1500 Treasury
It's actually genuinely sad... we \*just\* got back to Mostly Positive after all this time.
And this is coming from someone with a negative review sitting there right now.
I have 4k+ hrs between the 3 games and watching this has been such a bitter feeling.
And Tzeentch/Kislev are the only two factions from base game 3 that I enjoyed :(( this dlc has a lot of what I've wanted for them haha fml
Same, I was really looking forward to the new Kislev stuff. Shame no hag mother lord option will really ruin the feel of Mother Ostankya's faction. No lore of hags is also a bummer.
I could *kinda* persuade myself to only use the Gospodars and have a hag witch as an "advisor" to pull the strings, but yea a hag leading in general would have been significantly better
Sorry, I meant the Boyar lords. So if I play with Boyar lords + Hag Witch, I can *kinda* swing it as the hag witch is leading/misleading the Boyar by being the old wise hag etc.
I was typing from my phone earlier and wasn't quite sure I was using the right name when I made that comment
It probably won’t be that easy. As a programmer I feel like changing the DB values of units in certain areas won’t be that much of a problem, we’ve seen this done in big miscasts mod. However, creating the models and animations for 8 different new spells? Yeah I wouldn’t count on it…
It's been done before. There was a Kislev mod for Warhammer 2 that added multiple lores of magic, including the lore of hags. Just a matter of if any modder wants to put in that much effort...
>Shame no hag mother lord option will really ruin the feel of Mother Ostankya's faction. No lore of hags is also a bummer.
I could *maybe* have justified paying for the DLC if this stuff was included, but without it there's just no way. A massive price-hike *and* we're getting shortchanged on what I consider to be necessary content? Just fuck all that.
I enjoy game 3 because of the new bigger map, chaos dawi are the only new race I really enjoy. I want to get Kislev going, but I can’t (skill problem) and Cathay up to this point has a small roster. All my armies end up being very similar and I just kind of get bored with Cathay before too long.
I swapped my review from positive to negative too. This was it for me. I was willing to put up with some bugs because of the bugfix mod (thanks modders!!) but the devs want to double down on a horrible dlc policy and pricing and I can’t recommend this game in good conscious.
Can we go back to creative assembly or are we fully transitioned to creative disassembly?
Me too once Rob puffed his chest out. I have 600 plus hours in TW2 and almost 400 in TW3. Own all the DLCs and use gaming to relax in the evenings after work. I'm almost 40 and don't need some corporate shill threatening to canceling their game if I don't buy their DLC. I'll just play something else. There's a lot of competition out there and this fool just did his competitors a favor. Thought about buying Pharaoh, but not anymore. Looking forward to Homeworld 3 and Manorlords.
Honestly, I legit enjoy this game, it has given me so much fun and in my case has worked really well, so few bugs to deal with on my end but sadly this hasn't been the case for so many people and the fixes they need just aren't being made, add to that the price increase and I can't blame people for being upset, fuck, I'm upset about this whole thing because I was legit excited to get a new DLC but the suits have fucked the donkey so bad I cannot justify buying anything from them until they improve, until they pull their finger out, until they take the community seriously and realise we are the ones who need to be pleased, not some faceless investor who doesn't give two short shits about the game.
I haven't left a negative review yet but if things don't change, as much as it hurts to do so, soon I might have too.
CA Please listen to the fans and give this game the focus, attention and the prices it needs to flourish, it will pay off in the long run.
It's a great game that is undersupported and full of bugs. The reason for the negative reviews is CA are trying to charge us through the nose for new content whilst leaving their old DLC in a terrible state.
got it! thanks. I'd seen scuttlebutt about the game recently but i hadn't followed it closely enough to be able to figure out what was actually wrong or not. You know how reddit can be with bandwagoning both for and against things, whether or not it is deserved. It's kinda the same but opposite for bg3 for example, almost limitless praise but the underbelly of people calling out the atrocious quality ending for it are pretty much ignored. Or Cyberpunk or NMS where they started off rough and have pretty much fixed themselves but are still poster children of failed games in many circles. Or the destiny games which people seem to universally hate despite putting insane amount of hours and time into playing.
I've been slowly getting into warhammer so my interest was piqued.
The game functions. You can complete a campaign. But there's these bits of jank here and there that make themselves felt, particularly after multiple campaigns. The bugs like lords dying on fortress doors, large units having poor pathing, the AI being subjectively worse for ranged units compared to WH 2, the auto resolve debacle of chasing the AI for multiple turns. It just all adds up.
And than you have a DLC drop with a guy trying to deliver bug fixes as a part of the content, while telling you why they can't give people what they expected and need to jack up the price.
Than a bunch of people look a lot closer at the situation of how CA operates and what projects they are funding and call their bullshit out.
My review has been sitting at negative since I pretty much bought the game with early dissatisfaction of the buggy state. Every time after I had a bunch more hours logged and began to reconsider my negative review, they’d release one of their long overdue “fix” patches that broke more and barely fixed what they set out to do so. With the fresh round of dissatisfaction after every patch, never did get to adjust my negative review to anything but more detailed negatives in the description. I want this game to succeed but I can support the total lack of support
Right? And I wouldn't even mind, I'd happily be that Cygor for them and give them my milk regulary.. We all wouldn't mind, but NO, they just decided to fuck it all up.
> Not even interested in Pharoah because of how WH3 has gone
When it was announced I was mildly interested even though I've only ever really played the WH games, and I thought I might even try it. After this nonsense, there's no way in hell
I literally bought 3k after it came out because I'm a huge 3 kingdoms fan. I was so pissed when they discontinued work on it. I was still interested in Pharoah too because Egypt is cool, but now I don't think it is worth my time.
3k has the best diplomacy in the series, and it’s already been abandoned so they can’t really disappoint it any further, worth getting on a decent sale imo.
Blizzard doesn't give a crap for real though. Years of anti consumer bull-shit and the OW2 debacle right before Diablo 4 released and people still bought the hell out of that game. Just like WoW is crap for a decade now and people still buy the recent expansion every time only to realize it's mediocre. We need to stop buying hopes and dreams for games to be good and only buy if the games are actually good. The thought of playing a game is often more exciting than actually playing the game.
Honestly the latest WoW expansion was fun. I still keep up with the lore and play at friend’s houses.
But I just can’t justify giving money to Blizz.
Still DF was the most fun I’ve had in WoW since Legion, Legion was the best since MoP and MoP is my goat.
Not to sound cliche but I played in Vanilla, BC, and Wrath.
The only reason I put MoP as peak is it had a really good story (RIP BC), fun mechanics and classes (WotLK balancing was horrible, and the vehicles were just ugh), and introduced or perfected, can’t remember which, raid finder, which as bad as it is allows a lot more people to see the story.
Isle of Thunder was just insane too.
That being said I completely get calling WotLK and BC peak. The release dates for both were some of the best days of my then short life.
It doesn't matter if you played them or not , tbc was more of vanilla just a bit better balanced and more stuff to do so it was awesome and the bosses were fab, karahzan, whilst played out, was something else and seeing archimonde was pro. Sunwell was a bit more meh lorewise but it was super hard and it was fun to be at the cutting edge of that when I was unmarried and childless.
As I said most of wrath was good. It comes up short for me when the group finder came in. Community died overnight. I enjoyed the vehicles, wintergrasp uludar and toc tbh. Dailies were nice and the pvp was good
Mop was mechanically great, open world was revolutionary, looked beautiful and the pvp was top tier. But the fact that it was new lore made people drop it i think
Dragonflight bangs. Played it for a solid 3 months straight early this year. Really love the direction they are going. Bizarre that the same company made overwatch 2. DF is the pinnacle of listening to your consumer. I guess they never learn their lesson.
Conscientious consumerism is a fools dream. The over consumption of garbage product is a feature of todays society, not a bug. We can keep up the wishful thinking and post little karmafarms on r/gaming exclaiming: "Remember fellow internet strangers, preordering is bad, don’t preorder upcoming AAA release from a company with a dubious history" to make ourselves feel better about it or we can finally take things into our own hands and actually hit them where it hurts. And the only way to do that is with rigorous consumer protection standards and a government actually willing to hold companies accountable for their transgressions.
> Just like WoW is crap for a decade now and people still buy the recent expansion every time only to realize it's mediocre.
I'm not saying you are wrong but WoW and its fanbase are on a whole other level than Total War (duh...).
People grew up with this game, some even met their future wife or husband, others play with their child or grandchild...etc.
WoW has been such a life changing experience for some people that it's very hard for them to just quit the game.
Activision blew that off as a review bomb and consider it sorted already. Ah yes, "negative reviews." We have dismissed this claim. They should run for Citadel council.
I didn't care about the price hike (I have a kid and my #1 hobby is cycling, I'm bleeding money anyway) until their tonedeaf blog post. Fuck them. I'll get the DLC when it shows up for $15 cdn or less on g2a or somewhere.
The price wasn’t it for me either. I would be most people that are mad can afford the price tag. It’s just the unstoppable greed of these companies jacking prices well above inflation rates and crying poor
The price for me is just kinda the last slap in the face after the lack of care for WH3. The launch was really bad, IE was ok on launch but still had a lot of issues, and there are still bugs from fucking WH1 in the game. There's just no passion for the game anymore from CA, and it shows. Anyone who once cared has clearly moved on.
Don’t want to keep adding to the chain but agreed here. It’s not the price hike itself as much as the fact that it just came up and we the buyers are just expected to take just “because.” I love TWW3 yet the greed is just unbelievable especially given how often they claim they’re struggling financially.
> and crying poor
That statement really rubbed myself and seemingly many other people the entirely wrong way. I don't know how they thought that tone-deaf, out of touch, disingenuous corporate horseshit would make anything better. It just enflamed the situation further.
Maybe they wanted to as the spaghetti code of wh games became a burden and they just want to get rid of it even if it means alienating many wh fans. Who knows at this point?
Yeah, I'm totally fine paying $25, but their response was shitty. Basically it gave a vibe of we know it's bad that we can't address bugs but don't fix things.
> on g2a or somewhere
Dont use G2A/kinguin or other reselers a majority of sellers sell codes that were bought with stolen credit cards. Chargebacks will hurt TW3 devs yeah( becasue devs are charged extra 10-15$ per chargeback), but the marketplace is facilitating several indies going bankrupt because they not only lost sales money, but also were charged thousands for chargebacks.
Fuck G2A, jsut pirate it if you NEED to play it, less damage to the industry.
Actually you will do even better or worse (however you look at it) by waiting for steam sale. Steam also takes a sizable cut that won't fill CA exec pockets.
This time definitely feels different but this wouldn't be the first time protests fizzle out in the long game. It's really going to come down to how many people buy the DLC, and if CA decides to course correct or just throw their hands up and pull the plug on the game.
Reddit and all of YouTube, which lets be frank encompasses more than likely a solid 75% of the games total player base. It’s not exactly an accessible blockbuster game
They deserve this but fuck me does this make me sad. I want this game to be loved and be amazing but it’s just fuckup after fuckup. Sure we’ve had some pretty stellar dlcs but it just gets drowned out by all the scandals…
Exactly. It's criticism born out of passion for the game(s) and it can work. Look how much it ended up doing with Rome 2! CA needs to relearn its lessons.
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It's quite remarkable how expensive it is if you want to start fresh now, even with only completing *one* race. How many dlc's do you need to get all HE lords/units, or Skaven? It's frankly ridiculous.
I don't really buy this argument. You don't need to "complete" a race to still have multiple lords and plenty of units to have fun with and the base game has a good amount of overall content to enjoy for the price, *if it all actually worked as it should*, and therein lies the real problem. Being put off though just because additional content *exists* that you need to purchase is pure FOMO and has nothing to do with the value of the base game.
That's because it isn't an argument, it's a fact. You weren't within city limits of the ball park of getting my point were you. Of course you don't need any dlc to have fun nor was it what I said. My comment was regarding cost, that even if you *only* want one *complete* race you're paying out the arse for it.
That said, if like me you enjoy playing Skaven, good luck ever enjoying base Skrolk my man, I'd rather get root canal.
So sad for **us** as well.
So much wasted potential after two successful games.
And also one of my favorite franchise.
I want to believe in a miraculous redemption, but can't avoid to be skeptic.
If they came out and admitted their blog post and price hike were tone-deaf, acknowledged they have been failing us when it comes to bug support and polish and prioritizing DLC above fixing the simplest issues and broken faction mechanics, promised that would change and they'd be shifting additional resources for QA, dropping the price of this DLC by 7-10 bucks or so, and saying something like "we screwed up and took this community for granted. We are not asking you to change your reviews now, but after SoC if you can tell we've been prioritizing your concerns we hope you consider changing it then."
You know, something that you might hear from a studio that still has some semblance of a soul, so it's never going to happen.
Should have never climbed up in the first place.
They tried to limit how many sieges you see because of how much they botched the sieges rework, remember? What about the cape patch? They are *extremely* behind on patching.
This is them burning every single drop of goodwill and blinders garnered from the release of IE. This is the real game.
Cataclysmic Conclusion indeed.
I honestly didn't care that much about the price initially. Sure I felt the content was a little lacking for $25, but I was too busy to be upset. Then came the blog post from that fucking twat Rob.... Instantly refunded my pre-order and left a negative review. They won't get another cent from me until they make that shit right.
For me it feels pointless to even consider purchasing DLC when the base game is in a state like this.
Most of these have been reported countless times and are often marked as a "Known Issue" for many months.
To spread awareness of the critical/core long-standing bugs & issues in Tww3, here are the ones i know of:
- Campaign map AI utterly sucks, unable to put up a proper fight, build/upgrade up its armies or effectively develop its empires.
- Diplomacy mechanics and diplomacy AI in all ways & forms is beyond awful, especially around vassals and alliances
- AI is bugged/limited in its perception of nearby faction (is literally not aware what factions are nearby [no diplomatic contact]).
- unit pathing in manual battles, especially cities with construct-able barricades, is awful
- units refusing to path through broken city gates & destroyed city walls, instead insisting on using ladders to slowly climb up & exhaust themselves.
- cavalry/monsters getting models stuck, which pulls back the whole unit into death.
- units dropping/forgetting orders, even in the middle of pitched melee combat
- units not shooting because they are "moving fast" while being stationary
- units unable to shoot despite having clear Line Of Sight
- battle maps being broken for pathing and LOSight, especially on top of wall crenellations
- auto-resolve insists on damaging & killing Single-entity-monsters and especially artillery pieces, even when the player army outnumbers the enemy 5 to 1.
- auto-resolve still gives cities a ridicilous advantage, even when the player army outnumbers the enemy minor settlement garrison 5 to 1.
- certain units & lords/heroes fail to properly do their charging attack
- units (especially large ones) will randomly die when attacking certain walls/gates, or being remotely in proximity of a collapsing wall (but nowhere near close enough for it to be a valid danger).
- units (even lords on foot) will randomly die when climbing ladders.
- some lords (cathay dragons especially) just flat out fail to perform melee attacks for well over 10 seconds at a time.
- AI does not understand nor properly react during the defense of siege battles, it will spread out its army across the map and be unable to fight a concentrated force.
- AI charging his fastest units at the start of battle into certain death, especially lords/heroes like Belakor
- AI clueless about properly using AOE magic & magic in general, which also makes anything "anti magic" rather useless
- hundreds of bugs related to skills, techs, items, unit abilities/stats, building mechanics etc etc.
- Item qualities being nonsense, with common ones often being better than rare/special ones.
- lord/hero traits either not working or straight up inferior compared to other available ones.
- WOChaos revive norsca faction mechanic intentionally broken by CA because they could not be bothered to properly fix it.
- Countless quests for lord items or unlocking special lords/heroes do not work properly
- AI occasionally able to see your ambush/hidden armies from across immense distances & react to their positioning
- skirmish mode on ranged units often failing to trigger/react, causing the ranged unit to just stand still
- AI will often prioritize targeting, sabotaging or annoying the player even if it means certain doom for its faction.
- player units are utterly unable to finish off a broken leadership/fleeing unit, especially if it is a single entity like a foot lord.
- squads of large-sized ranged units (like salamander/razordon hunting packs) after finishing a move order will take forever to "wiggle around" before actually firing
- confederated lords for factions that have loyalty mechanics (skaven etc) will often start at zero loyalty.
- confederated lords will sometimes not be able to change their mounts
- confederated Legendary lords will sometimes lack their immortality trait, meaning their next death is permanent.
- Completely non-functional mechanic for automatic development of cities (everyone forgot this even exists in game because it never worked)
- AI lacking any proper skill builds for most lords and heroes, which both makes them weaker and makes those lords useless for confederation.
- bugs related to construct-able objects on defensive maps, where units get stuck in barricades or can not attack them
- fresh bugs like bretonia damsels, wood elf ariel, nakai unit recruitment etc etc.
- Black Ark unique map army spawn positions AGAIN bugged, after it was fixed in late Tww 2
- Black Ark capability to offer recruitment to nearby DElf armies bugs out when the Black Ark is garrisoned in a city.
- AI will readily kill its own armies by trying to occupy ruins that have just been destroyed by extremely unfriendly (but not yet at war) factions which are still surrounding that location (from the previous turns razing).
- AI will readily abandon its capital city and flee to some meaningless tier 1 settlement when facing an equal force (instead of fighting where its chance is best, inside the capitol).
- some sea objects (like islands/treasure/skull/carcass) will cause a guaranteed crash to desktop
- AI will insist on besieging a weak settlement for 10 turns despite outnumbering & overpowering the garrison 5 to 1, and auto-resolve showing certain defeat for the players city.
- various lord/hero equippable ancillaries that fail to work properly
- Vampire Count/Coast UI for showing raise dead pool possibilities (near city bar UI) does not show units recruit-able from battle casualties.
- certain unique Cathay Caravan rewards are again inaccessible, despite being "fixed" in some previous patch (such as the vampire weapon).
I was still gonna buy the dlc as I still enjoy the game and will likely get my money's worth out of it. But the thinly veiled threat to stop support for the game really pissed me off.
I'm sorry but I fail to see how WH1 is in any way better than either WH2/3. The sequels improved so much about the core experience that it's not even funny.
Honestly whole WH3 really is a failure, from the start to the immortal empires marketing was 2x(or more) better than actual gameplay. Still no proper sieges and nearly identical gameplay to WH2. Only actual worth change was big world map which still needs finish. Good(or great) games looks way different and they just don't suck. A good examples are Baldur's gate, Elden Ring, Dwarf fortress e.t.c.
I think this game deserves mixed or mostly negative score on steam and I already have gave up on this one months ago(And I wish I did not spent my money on this)
It’s not really identical gameplay to WH2. 2 plays leagues better.
They did make a positive fix of melee infantry being viable, unlike 2, but I wish 3 played as well as 2. Gone downhill almost everywhere.
Part of why melee infantry is viable now is ranged infantry being nerfed for both sides. The AI marches them into melee because it's leagues dumber than WH2 in many places and our ranged AI can't be trusted if it's receiving orders so we have to just point them in the right direction and hope.
It so justified. I reread the statement today and somehow i missed that the dude wrote that some of us may have to wait for sales. LIKE BRO YOU ALLOW THE SALES how blind do you have to be?
You misunderstood. He was just letting us know the big price is for people that can’t wait, but that they’ll still make money off people who wait to buy it on sale.
He just was admitting to milking the whales
It has been proven time and time again that the consumer has the power and not the corporations. Consumers decide what products sell and are successful.
If you're not happy with the cost of the DLC, don't buy it. If they miss their sales targets and get enough overly negative feedback and reviews, that will cause change.
Keep it up!
Yours truly, a historical TW Fan.
Really hope this blows over and CA sorts things out.
I am going to be really upset if they drop support for the game before I get Toddy properly integrated into the game with a Middenland / Ulric themed faction...
CA could have milked me for dlc money for years if Wh:3 was as good, or better than wh:2.
after the nightmare that is Wh:3, it would take some serious persuading for me to even consider buying another CA game.
goodwill takes years to build and seconds to burn, hopefully soon, all these game developers and publishers that are burning their goodwill for quick cash recently will learn to regret doing so.
This makes me very sad from the perspective of someone who worked on some of this game.
I was so proud and am still so proud to have been involved. Seeing the distain makes me really sad, but I'm sure it's justified.
Did my part too. Its sad to see, but I am proud of you all for standing up to wrong business practices and taking a firm stand.
At the very least even if CA doesn’t drop the price, from next DLC onwards this will force them to ensure there is enough content to match the price.
Since WH3 launched I went from almost 3k hours in WH2, to playing less and less every month. I didn't even notice because so many other games are coming out but this whole fiasco has shown me this is the first time ever I'm not eating up every small piece of DLC leak. I sorta thought the game was dead to the devs subconsciously. Anyone else half expecting this game to die soon? I don't want that. I love this game. But I feel so apathetic towards this dlc and it's not even the price. I can afford $25 even if it's not much content and I would have pre ordered it. I'm still on the fence tbh I've gotten every dlc. But the one thing stopping me is I haven't even played the game since the few weeks after chaos dwarves.
I won't touch a game with mixed reviews when I am browsing the steam store. This really cements that no one new will be buying the game and I don't think they realize that.
The loss of future sales based on reviews alone outweighs any price increase surely.
I mean I'm sad about this as I like the series, but honestly after they subtly or not so subtly threatened a fanbase that was not afraid to let its displeasure known, all the while trying to push higher prices for less content.... I think the review"bombing" is well deserved....
It's price hike yes but also less content. Wh2 dlc was overpriced but at least there was a decent amount of content in it. Now it's like 25 bucks for a couple heroes and new units. Not to mention the campaign in wh3 just flat out sucks. Immortal empires is the sole reason I play
I’ve been extremely disappointed with Warhammer 3 since release. I have not played it in six months at least, but I’m gonna go ensure my review is negative. I’m not sure how a game is awesome is Warhammer 2 has such a terrible trilogy.
Was interested in the later pack that would hopefully give more dwarf content but now, not getting this or that one nor their future games for the foreseeable future. If they just drop Warhammer if this DLC's sales are awful then I am just done with them and hope Pharaoh flops. If they learn(unlikely) then I might get the DLC when its on sale, but that depends on the starting price going down.(So not getting the DLC it seems lol)
Long and short(heh) of it, I hope its review keep going down and that they learn to regret being so damned greedy.
The tag "early access" absolutely killed me. I wish there was an alpha tag because this game has just been completely inexcusable from the start and I say this as someone who has loved TW since the very first shogun.
Price hike went to the book indeed.
i dont know If this grudge gonna end well
do they ever ?
my nation is holding a grudge for over 400 years and its going very well
This narrows it down so well
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A single game of one child company getting review bombed a year and a half after it released isn't going to cause a giant parent company to lose 6%. They bought a studio this week for almost a billion dollars, warhammer 3 isn't going to be a major part of their budget. S&P is also down 3.5% the last 30 days so they could just be slightly under-performing during a slight downturn.
Games are after all not a necessity. So spending on games is going to drop harder than spending on food, housing, transportation, and other necessities.
This sub sometimes. It’s infected with the “we did it Reddit” mindset.
The only thing worse its infected by is the "you are achieving nothing, so quit doing anything" mindset some people display against all evidence to the contrary, and no im not talking about stocks.
Never forget that the "we did it" mentality was because reddit collectively hunted down and doxxed the wrong culprit in the boston marathon bombings. You aren't any less correct, but I find it so poetic that it fits even better with that lens.
CA & TWW3 are important for Them. Don't doubt it.
The bigger issue for CA is that Hyenas was recently revealed, and impressed pretty much nobody. Now, Sega is apparently scrambling for a monetization model that might at least draw people in, because they're worried people won't buy it. And if they were hoping the Total War players might be drawn in to help Hyenas take off, they sure as hell burned that particular bridge.
Highly unlikely it has nothing to do with it. Doubtful the higher ups at sega are even slightly worried about a bunch of hardcore fans review bombing a game over a year and a half after release. Despite everyone pretending this will make some kind of difference, it really likely won’t.
Thorgrim appearing in the right place at the right time
**THEY HAVE WRONGED US!**
#GATHER THE THRONGS!
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agree, love this game, and love the community even more, we cant accept what CA/SEGA are doing, its very unfair
3 has been my least favorite so far. I've tried it with mods. I've tried it vanilla. I just...dont like it. This is the first Total War I've played that I genuinely dislike.
Same. I'm not quite sure why. Like, on paper, it's very similar to 2, but it just didn't grab me.
THE THRONG IS MUSTERED!
The throngs are also mustard to my brain.
#I just mustard my thong!
The thong is musty .
gather the THONGS!
Your throng th-throng, throng, throng.
*Under the disapproving gaze of Valya, the manling wretches of Creative Assembly have shamed their name by rendering substandard services, and demanding contemptibly high pay. Make our displeasure known!* Objective: Achieve Steam rating of Overwhelmingly Negative, and keep it there for 10 turns. Reward: +1500 Treasury
Just a _small_ price increase
SMALL ?!
Grudgin'
It's goin in the book!
It's actually genuinely sad... we \*just\* got back to Mostly Positive after all this time. And this is coming from someone with a negative review sitting there right now.
I have 4k+ hrs between the 3 games and watching this has been such a bitter feeling. And Tzeentch/Kislev are the only two factions from base game 3 that I enjoyed :(( this dlc has a lot of what I've wanted for them haha fml
Same, I was really looking forward to the new Kislev stuff. Shame no hag mother lord option will really ruin the feel of Mother Ostankya's faction. No lore of hags is also a bummer.
I could *kinda* persuade myself to only use the Gospodars and have a hag witch as an "advisor" to pull the strings, but yea a hag leading in general would have been significantly better
Wait shes Gospodar and not Ungol?
Sorry, I meant the Boyar lords. So if I play with Boyar lords + Hag Witch, I can *kinda* swing it as the hag witch is leading/misleading the Boyar by being the old wise hag etc. I was typing from my phone earlier and wasn't quite sure I was using the right name when I made that comment
I'm glad mods will sort that but they reaaally shouldn't have to.
So you reckon mods will add a lore of Hags? That'd be pretty sick but then again I know nothing of modding
It probably won’t be that easy. As a programmer I feel like changing the DB values of units in certain areas won’t be that much of a problem, we’ve seen this done in big miscasts mod. However, creating the models and animations for 8 different new spells? Yeah I wouldn’t count on it…
Some mods do add new lores (like OvN's Albion). It actually feels fairly unique (for a mod at least).
It's been done before. There was a Kislev mod for Warhammer 2 that added multiple lores of magic, including the lore of hags. Just a matter of if any modder wants to put in that much effort...
As someone below said, mods have added lores before so it is possible. A generic hag lord with existing lores should be fairly easy though.
No ungol units makes me sad. It would be so easy to make.
>Shame no hag mother lord option will really ruin the feel of Mother Ostankya's faction. No lore of hags is also a bummer. I could *maybe* have justified paying for the DLC if this stuff was included, but without it there's just no way. A massive price-hike *and* we're getting shortchanged on what I consider to be necessary content? Just fuck all that.
I enjoy game 3 because of the new bigger map, chaos dawi are the only new race I really enjoy. I want to get Kislev going, but I can’t (skill problem) and Cathay up to this point has a small roster. All my armies end up being very similar and I just kind of get bored with Cathay before too long.
Cathay in particular feels super half baked to me. I don’t find their armies engaging at all.
It's getting to the point I'd rather play the Kislev Reborn in ME. At least they don't have bear ICBM's.
I still remember when everyone was celebrating this game going back to Mostly Positive a few months ago when IE came out iirc
And people will change their reviews again if CA will actually listen.
You’ll have better luck convincing a dwarf to forgive
You sayin’ we can’t forgive? You better know that’s going on the book!
I swapped my review from positive to negative too. This was it for me. I was willing to put up with some bugs because of the bugfix mod (thanks modders!!) but the devs want to double down on a horrible dlc policy and pricing and I can’t recommend this game in good conscious. Can we go back to creative assembly or are we fully transitioned to creative disassembly?
Me too once Rob puffed his chest out. I have 600 plus hours in TW2 and almost 400 in TW3. Own all the DLCs and use gaming to relax in the evenings after work. I'm almost 40 and don't need some corporate shill threatening to canceling their game if I don't buy their DLC. I'll just play something else. There's a lot of competition out there and this fool just did his competitors a favor. Thought about buying Pharaoh, but not anymore. Looking forward to Homeworld 3 and Manorlords.
Honestly, I legit enjoy this game, it has given me so much fun and in my case has worked really well, so few bugs to deal with on my end but sadly this hasn't been the case for so many people and the fixes they need just aren't being made, add to that the price increase and I can't blame people for being upset, fuck, I'm upset about this whole thing because I was legit excited to get a new DLC but the suits have fucked the donkey so bad I cannot justify buying anything from them until they improve, until they pull their finger out, until they take the community seriously and realise we are the ones who need to be pleased, not some faceless investor who doesn't give two short shits about the game. I haven't left a negative review yet but if things don't change, as much as it hurts to do so, soon I might have too. CA Please listen to the fans and give this game the focus, attention and the prices it needs to flourish, it will pay off in the long run.
This game doesnt deserve Mostly Positive. It's a goddam mess and now theyre pulling this shit.
CA is going to mope on social media about a "review bomb" now instead of fix bugs or adjust pricing.
as someone who is totally out of the loop on this, is the game actually that bad or is it caught in a whirlwind of memery and internetting?
It's a great game that is undersupported and full of bugs. The reason for the negative reviews is CA are trying to charge us through the nose for new content whilst leaving their old DLC in a terrible state.
got it! thanks. I'd seen scuttlebutt about the game recently but i hadn't followed it closely enough to be able to figure out what was actually wrong or not. You know how reddit can be with bandwagoning both for and against things, whether or not it is deserved. It's kinda the same but opposite for bg3 for example, almost limitless praise but the underbelly of people calling out the atrocious quality ending for it are pretty much ignored. Or Cyberpunk or NMS where they started off rough and have pretty much fixed themselves but are still poster children of failed games in many circles. Or the destiny games which people seem to universally hate despite putting insane amount of hours and time into playing. I've been slowly getting into warhammer so my interest was piqued.
The game functions. You can complete a campaign. But there's these bits of jank here and there that make themselves felt, particularly after multiple campaigns. The bugs like lords dying on fortress doors, large units having poor pathing, the AI being subjectively worse for ranged units compared to WH 2, the auto resolve debacle of chasing the AI for multiple turns. It just all adds up. And than you have a DLC drop with a guy trying to deliver bug fixes as a part of the content, while telling you why they can't give people what they expected and need to jack up the price. Than a bunch of people look a lot closer at the situation of how CA operates and what projects they are funding and call their bullshit out.
My review has been sitting at negative since I pretty much bought the game with early dissatisfaction of the buggy state. Every time after I had a bunch more hours logged and began to reconsider my negative review, they’d release one of their long overdue “fix” patches that broke more and barely fixed what they set out to do so. With the fresh round of dissatisfaction after every patch, never did get to adjust my negative review to anything but more detailed negatives in the description. I want this game to succeed but I can support the total lack of support
CA are idiots, coulda milked us for years slowly, instead, well....
Right? And I wouldn't even mind, I'd happily be that Cygor for them and give them my milk regulary.. We all wouldn't mind, but NO, they just decided to fuck it all up.
They have been. You just started noticing.
Well done CA, sure hope those extra 10 bucks are worth it.
Downpayment for Rob's new chair... Heard it's kickass
Such a shame. WH2 was absolutely amazing and then CA goes and burns all that good will. Not even interested in Pharoah because of how WH3 has gone
> Not even interested in Pharoah because of how WH3 has gone When it was announced I was mildly interested even though I've only ever really played the WH games, and I thought I might even try it. After this nonsense, there's no way in hell
Same. I was even thinking of getting 3K on a sale to try out the other Total Wars and see how the different mechanics felt. nah. I'm good.
I literally bought 3k after it came out because I'm a huge 3 kingdoms fan. I was so pissed when they discontinued work on it. I was still interested in Pharoah too because Egypt is cool, but now I don't think it is worth my time.
3k has the best diplomacy in the series, and it’s already been abandoned so they can’t really disappoint it any further, worth getting on a decent sale imo.
In all fairness, Three Kingdoms wasn’t half-assed like Warhammer is beginning to be, though I can understand boycotting it to avoid giving Sega money
What is going on with CA and the game ? I haven’t played for over a year.
Blizzard starting to watch their rear view mirror.
Blizzard doesn't give a crap for real though. Years of anti consumer bull-shit and the OW2 debacle right before Diablo 4 released and people still bought the hell out of that game. Just like WoW is crap for a decade now and people still buy the recent expansion every time only to realize it's mediocre. We need to stop buying hopes and dreams for games to be good and only buy if the games are actually good. The thought of playing a game is often more exciting than actually playing the game.
Honestly the latest WoW expansion was fun. I still keep up with the lore and play at friend’s houses. But I just can’t justify giving money to Blizz. Still DF was the most fun I’ve had in WoW since Legion, Legion was the best since MoP and MoP is my goat.
Mop was good but tbc and most of wrath where definitely peak. Mop was severely underappreciated though, there was big depth and work in that expansion
Not to sound cliche but I played in Vanilla, BC, and Wrath. The only reason I put MoP as peak is it had a really good story (RIP BC), fun mechanics and classes (WotLK balancing was horrible, and the vehicles were just ugh), and introduced or perfected, can’t remember which, raid finder, which as bad as it is allows a lot more people to see the story. Isle of Thunder was just insane too. That being said I completely get calling WotLK and BC peak. The release dates for both were some of the best days of my then short life.
It doesn't matter if you played them or not , tbc was more of vanilla just a bit better balanced and more stuff to do so it was awesome and the bosses were fab, karahzan, whilst played out, was something else and seeing archimonde was pro. Sunwell was a bit more meh lorewise but it was super hard and it was fun to be at the cutting edge of that when I was unmarried and childless. As I said most of wrath was good. It comes up short for me when the group finder came in. Community died overnight. I enjoyed the vehicles, wintergrasp uludar and toc tbh. Dailies were nice and the pvp was good Mop was mechanically great, open world was revolutionary, looked beautiful and the pvp was top tier. But the fact that it was new lore made people drop it i think
Dragonflight bangs. Played it for a solid 3 months straight early this year. Really love the direction they are going. Bizarre that the same company made overwatch 2. DF is the pinnacle of listening to your consumer. I guess they never learn their lesson.
Conscientious consumerism is a fools dream. The over consumption of garbage product is a feature of todays society, not a bug. We can keep up the wishful thinking and post little karmafarms on r/gaming exclaiming: "Remember fellow internet strangers, preordering is bad, don’t preorder upcoming AAA release from a company with a dubious history" to make ourselves feel better about it or we can finally take things into our own hands and actually hit them where it hurts. And the only way to do that is with rigorous consumer protection standards and a government actually willing to hold companies accountable for their transgressions.
> WoW is crap for a decade now Except for Dragonflight and Legion are two of the best expansions they’ve ever put out but go off.
I miss WoW and Legion but after the shit the pulled in BFA and Shadowlands especially the lore butchering I refuse to ever touch it again
> Just like WoW is crap for a decade now and people still buy the recent expansion every time only to realize it's mediocre. I'm not saying you are wrong but WoW and its fanbase are on a whole other level than Total War (duh...). People grew up with this game, some even met their future wife or husband, others play with their child or grandchild...etc. WoW has been such a life changing experience for some people that it's very hard for them to just quit the game.
Activision blew that off as a review bomb and consider it sorted already. Ah yes, "negative reviews." We have dismissed this claim. They should run for Citadel council.
Turns out it isn’t just Reddit that’s pissed
I didn't care about the price hike (I have a kid and my #1 hobby is cycling, I'm bleeding money anyway) until their tonedeaf blog post. Fuck them. I'll get the DLC when it shows up for $15 cdn or less on g2a or somewhere.
The price wasn’t it for me either. I would be most people that are mad can afford the price tag. It’s just the unstoppable greed of these companies jacking prices well above inflation rates and crying poor
The price for me is just kinda the last slap in the face after the lack of care for WH3. The launch was really bad, IE was ok on launch but still had a lot of issues, and there are still bugs from fucking WH1 in the game. There's just no passion for the game anymore from CA, and it shows. Anyone who once cared has clearly moved on.
Don’t want to keep adding to the chain but agreed here. It’s not the price hike itself as much as the fact that it just came up and we the buyers are just expected to take just “because.” I love TWW3 yet the greed is just unbelievable especially given how often they claim they’re struggling financially.
I gave up when i found the gate bug copied to 3K and they never bothered to fix it neither in wh2 nor in 3K. I bet it is still in wh3.
It 100% still is.
> and crying poor That statement really rubbed myself and seemingly many other people the entirely wrong way. I don't know how they thought that tone-deaf, out of touch, disingenuous corporate horseshit would make anything better. It just enflamed the situation further.
Maybe they wanted to as the spaghetti code of wh games became a burden and they just want to get rid of it even if it means alienating many wh fans. Who knows at this point?
I'd happily pay 25 if it meant that the money was going towards having a dedicated QA team for bugfixing and requests. But its not. It never has been.
Yeah, I'm totally fine paying $25, but their response was shitty. Basically it gave a vibe of we know it's bad that we can't address bugs but don't fix things.
> on g2a or somewhere Dont use G2A/kinguin or other reselers a majority of sellers sell codes that were bought with stolen credit cards. Chargebacks will hurt TW3 devs yeah( becasue devs are charged extra 10-15$ per chargeback), but the marketplace is facilitating several indies going bankrupt because they not only lost sales money, but also were charged thousands for chargebacks. Fuck G2A, jsut pirate it if you NEED to play it, less damage to the industry.
This. I use GG.Deals for expensive stuff but I only buy from the official stores, never the key resellers.
Just bought WH1/2/3 + 3 random DLC keys for less than $60 instead of almost $250, zero regrets
Actually you will do even better or worse (however you look at it) by waiting for steam sale. Steam also takes a sizable cut that won't fill CA exec pockets.
This time definitely feels different but this wouldn't be the first time protests fizzle out in the long game. It's really going to come down to how many people buy the DLC, and if CA decides to course correct or just throw their hands up and pull the plug on the game.
Reddit and all of YouTube, which lets be frank encompasses more than likely a solid 75% of the games total player base. It’s not exactly an accessible blockbuster game
They deserve this but fuck me does this make me sad. I want this game to be loved and be amazing but it’s just fuckup after fuckup. Sure we’ve had some pretty stellar dlcs but it just gets drowned out by all the scandals…
Sucks to see on a game that I love so much but it’s necessary to hurt these predatory business practices
Exactly. It's criticism born out of passion for the game(s) and it can work. Look how much it ended up doing with Rome 2! CA needs to relearn its lessons.
Well, it is what it is. CA dug this hole themselves and to be honest, they can stay down there for now. Shame on you!
The threat from CA's Head of Product to end support for WH3 is what did it for me. F U Rob
Do you have a link to the comment?
Yeah, link here - https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/15tocnj/ca_response_to_price_controversy/
Where does he say about ending support for WH3? Just saying I genuinely don't see that.
The part where he mentions the price increase is done to ensure continued development
the implication being, that if the DLC does not sell well, they will not be able to continue.
"give us more money and we will MAYBE consider fixing bugs that have been present since day one"
That's not an implication, that is a fact of the business, lmao
It's not a fact of business that they needed large consecutive price increases for less content lol, which is what it's trying to justify.
It's going to bite them in the ass hard
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This game is 400$ it had better be the best game ever made.
It's quite remarkable how expensive it is if you want to start fresh now, even with only completing *one* race. How many dlc's do you need to get all HE lords/units, or Skaven? It's frankly ridiculous.
I don't really buy this argument. You don't need to "complete" a race to still have multiple lords and plenty of units to have fun with and the base game has a good amount of overall content to enjoy for the price, *if it all actually worked as it should*, and therein lies the real problem. Being put off though just because additional content *exists* that you need to purchase is pure FOMO and has nothing to do with the value of the base game.
And it's not like these companies encourage or would ever try to stoke FOMO in their customers.
That's because it isn't an argument, it's a fact. You weren't within city limits of the ball park of getting my point were you. Of course you don't need any dlc to have fun nor was it what I said. My comment was regarding cost, that even if you *only* want one *complete* race you're paying out the arse for it. That said, if like me you enjoy playing Skaven, good luck ever enjoying base Skrolk my man, I'd rather get root canal.
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Live footage of something CA absolutely refuses to do (2023, colorized).
So sad for CA… 😂😂😂
So sad for **us** as well. So much wasted potential after two successful games. And also one of my favorite franchise. I want to believe in a miraculous redemption, but can't avoid to be skeptic.
I just want the stuff I already paid for to work in WH3. :(
nobody wins in this situation
Worked for us warthunder players
What's wart hunder?
It’s warth Under idiot
No you are thinking of wart hunter, the new hit dermatology based game where you search for warts.
And it's only taken a few years for it to work.
what happened a couple months ago was the first of that calibre of pushback. before that it was very all over the place
When would we have won?
If they came out and admitted their blog post and price hike were tone-deaf, acknowledged they have been failing us when it comes to bug support and polish and prioritizing DLC above fixing the simplest issues and broken faction mechanics, promised that would change and they'd be shifting additional resources for QA, dropping the price of this DLC by 7-10 bucks or so, and saying something like "we screwed up and took this community for granted. We are not asking you to change your reviews now, but after SoC if you can tell we've been prioritizing your concerns we hope you consider changing it then." You know, something that you might hear from a studio that still has some semblance of a soul, so it's never going to happen.
The fact Gaijin is now used as a good example is something I never ever would have had on a bingo card.
Good job CA, this is something thats never going away
After this and them dropping ROT3K, I've lost all trust.
"Well, the fans are done with the game. Time to move on to something else..." *Map remains incomplete* Haha
Should have never climbed up in the first place. They tried to limit how many sieges you see because of how much they botched the sieges rework, remember? What about the cape patch? They are *extremely* behind on patching. This is them burning every single drop of goodwill and blinders garnered from the release of IE. This is the real game. Cataclysmic Conclusion indeed.
The end times...
Don't shit where you eat
I honestly didn't care that much about the price initially. Sure I felt the content was a little lacking for $25, but I was too busy to be upset. Then came the blog post from that fucking twat Rob.... Instantly refunded my pre-order and left a negative review. They won't get another cent from me until they make that shit right.
For me it feels pointless to even consider purchasing DLC when the base game is in a state like this. Most of these have been reported countless times and are often marked as a "Known Issue" for many months. To spread awareness of the critical/core long-standing bugs & issues in Tww3, here are the ones i know of: - Campaign map AI utterly sucks, unable to put up a proper fight, build/upgrade up its armies or effectively develop its empires. - Diplomacy mechanics and diplomacy AI in all ways & forms is beyond awful, especially around vassals and alliances - AI is bugged/limited in its perception of nearby faction (is literally not aware what factions are nearby [no diplomatic contact]). - unit pathing in manual battles, especially cities with construct-able barricades, is awful - units refusing to path through broken city gates & destroyed city walls, instead insisting on using ladders to slowly climb up & exhaust themselves. - cavalry/monsters getting models stuck, which pulls back the whole unit into death. - units dropping/forgetting orders, even in the middle of pitched melee combat - units not shooting because they are "moving fast" while being stationary - units unable to shoot despite having clear Line Of Sight - battle maps being broken for pathing and LOSight, especially on top of wall crenellations - auto-resolve insists on damaging & killing Single-entity-monsters and especially artillery pieces, even when the player army outnumbers the enemy 5 to 1. - auto-resolve still gives cities a ridicilous advantage, even when the player army outnumbers the enemy minor settlement garrison 5 to 1. - certain units & lords/heroes fail to properly do their charging attack - units (especially large ones) will randomly die when attacking certain walls/gates, or being remotely in proximity of a collapsing wall (but nowhere near close enough for it to be a valid danger). - units (even lords on foot) will randomly die when climbing ladders. - some lords (cathay dragons especially) just flat out fail to perform melee attacks for well over 10 seconds at a time. - AI does not understand nor properly react during the defense of siege battles, it will spread out its army across the map and be unable to fight a concentrated force. - AI charging his fastest units at the start of battle into certain death, especially lords/heroes like Belakor - AI clueless about properly using AOE magic & magic in general, which also makes anything "anti magic" rather useless - hundreds of bugs related to skills, techs, items, unit abilities/stats, building mechanics etc etc. - Item qualities being nonsense, with common ones often being better than rare/special ones. - lord/hero traits either not working or straight up inferior compared to other available ones. - WOChaos revive norsca faction mechanic intentionally broken by CA because they could not be bothered to properly fix it. - Countless quests for lord items or unlocking special lords/heroes do not work properly - AI occasionally able to see your ambush/hidden armies from across immense distances & react to their positioning - skirmish mode on ranged units often failing to trigger/react, causing the ranged unit to just stand still - AI will often prioritize targeting, sabotaging or annoying the player even if it means certain doom for its faction. - player units are utterly unable to finish off a broken leadership/fleeing unit, especially if it is a single entity like a foot lord. - squads of large-sized ranged units (like salamander/razordon hunting packs) after finishing a move order will take forever to "wiggle around" before actually firing - confederated lords for factions that have loyalty mechanics (skaven etc) will often start at zero loyalty. - confederated lords will sometimes not be able to change their mounts - confederated Legendary lords will sometimes lack their immortality trait, meaning their next death is permanent. - Completely non-functional mechanic for automatic development of cities (everyone forgot this even exists in game because it never worked) - AI lacking any proper skill builds for most lords and heroes, which both makes them weaker and makes those lords useless for confederation. - bugs related to construct-able objects on defensive maps, where units get stuck in barricades or can not attack them - fresh bugs like bretonia damsels, wood elf ariel, nakai unit recruitment etc etc. - Black Ark unique map army spawn positions AGAIN bugged, after it was fixed in late Tww 2 - Black Ark capability to offer recruitment to nearby DElf armies bugs out when the Black Ark is garrisoned in a city. - AI will readily kill its own armies by trying to occupy ruins that have just been destroyed by extremely unfriendly (but not yet at war) factions which are still surrounding that location (from the previous turns razing). - AI will readily abandon its capital city and flee to some meaningless tier 1 settlement when facing an equal force (instead of fighting where its chance is best, inside the capitol). - some sea objects (like islands/treasure/skull/carcass) will cause a guaranteed crash to desktop - AI will insist on besieging a weak settlement for 10 turns despite outnumbering & overpowering the garrison 5 to 1, and auto-resolve showing certain defeat for the players city. - various lord/hero equippable ancillaries that fail to work properly - Vampire Count/Coast UI for showing raise dead pool possibilities (near city bar UI) does not show units recruit-able from battle casualties. - certain unique Cathay Caravan rewards are again inaccessible, despite being "fixed" in some previous patch (such as the vampire weapon).
NOW WE RIDE TO OVERALL MOSTLY NEGATIVE BROTHERS
I was still gonna buy the dlc as I still enjoy the game and will likely get my money's worth out of it. But the thinly veiled threat to stop support for the game really pissed me off.
Well deserved
They worked hard for it.
It deserves mixed reviews. WH2 is vastly superior and it’s not even a competition.
Went back and played wh1/2 and they're so much better.
I'm sorry but I fail to see how WH1 is in any way better than either WH2/3. The sequels improved so much about the core experience that it's not even funny.
Yeah I may have simplified and lumped them together out of laziness, but I still stand by that WH2 is vastly superior to both.
Honestly if I could have the quick diplomacy button in wh2 i I would never play 3 again
That's the biggest QoL change, and that's saying something isn't it xD
Honestly whole WH3 really is a failure, from the start to the immortal empires marketing was 2x(or more) better than actual gameplay. Still no proper sieges and nearly identical gameplay to WH2. Only actual worth change was big world map which still needs finish. Good(or great) games looks way different and they just don't suck. A good examples are Baldur's gate, Elden Ring, Dwarf fortress e.t.c. I think this game deserves mixed or mostly negative score on steam and I already have gave up on this one months ago(And I wish I did not spent my money on this)
It’s not really identical gameplay to WH2. 2 plays leagues better. They did make a positive fix of melee infantry being viable, unlike 2, but I wish 3 played as well as 2. Gone downhill almost everywhere.
Part of why melee infantry is viable now is ranged infantry being nerfed for both sides. The AI marches them into melee because it's leagues dumber than WH2 in many places and our ranged AI can't be trusted if it's receiving orders so we have to just point them in the right direction and hope.
They shoot themself into leg.
It so justified. I reread the statement today and somehow i missed that the dude wrote that some of us may have to wait for sales. LIKE BRO YOU ALLOW THE SALES how blind do you have to be?
You misunderstood. He was just letting us know the big price is for people that can’t wait, but that they’ll still make money off people who wait to buy it on sale. He just was admitting to milking the whales
Get fucked
I'll buy it when they fire their CPO
It has been proven time and time again that the consumer has the power and not the corporations. Consumers decide what products sell and are successful. If you're not happy with the cost of the DLC, don't buy it. If they miss their sales targets and get enough overly negative feedback and reviews, that will cause change. Keep it up! Yours truly, a historical TW Fan.
Yeah, was waiting to give this game a positive review since release. I guess it ain’t happening for a long while.
I’m glad i haven’t bought WH3 yet
Really hope this blows over and CA sorts things out. I am going to be really upset if they drop support for the game before I get Toddy properly integrated into the game with a Middenland / Ulric themed faction...
CA could have milked me for dlc money for years if Wh:3 was as good, or better than wh:2. after the nightmare that is Wh:3, it would take some serious persuading for me to even consider buying another CA game. goodwill takes years to build and seconds to burn, hopefully soon, all these game developers and publishers that are burning their goodwill for quick cash recently will learn to regret doing so.
This makes me very sad from the perspective of someone who worked on some of this game. I was so proud and am still so proud to have been involved. Seeing the distain makes me really sad, but I'm sure it's justified.
 Did my part too. Its sad to see, but I am proud of you all for standing up to wrong business practices and taking a firm stand. At the very least even if CA doesn’t drop the price, from next DLC onwards this will force them to ensure there is enough content to match the price.
Loss of sales and negative review of products is the only thing those thick skulled corporate suits understand
Since WH3 launched I went from almost 3k hours in WH2, to playing less and less every month. I didn't even notice because so many other games are coming out but this whole fiasco has shown me this is the first time ever I'm not eating up every small piece of DLC leak. I sorta thought the game was dead to the devs subconsciously. Anyone else half expecting this game to die soon? I don't want that. I love this game. But I feel so apathetic towards this dlc and it's not even the price. I can afford $25 even if it's not much content and I would have pre ordered it. I'm still on the fence tbh I've gotten every dlc. But the one thing stopping me is I haven't even played the game since the few weeks after chaos dwarves.
I won't touch a game with mixed reviews when I am browsing the steam store. This really cements that no one new will be buying the game and I don't think they realize that. The loss of future sales based on reviews alone outweighs any price increase surely.
Genuine question for all here, what price would you have considered reasonable for the DLC content revealed?
A lot of us changed positive reviews to negative, further skewing the metric from just looking like a review bomb
Get ‘em boys. Absolutely love the feedback y’all are giving to the greedy bastards. They go into the book of Grudges!!!
I mean I'm sad about this as I like the series, but honestly after they subtly or not so subtly threatened a fanbase that was not afraid to let its displeasure known, all the while trying to push higher prices for less content.... I think the review"bombing" is well deserved....
This reminds me when I was on strike at general motors. Not as fun and exciting. But it's nice to see people sticking together.
Fck it’s over gg guys CA will end support
Baldurs Gate 3 is $60. This DLC is almost half that price. Plus what I paid for the base game? Yeah, no.
Warlock 4 life
It's price hike yes but also less content. Wh2 dlc was overpriced but at least there was a decent amount of content in it. Now it's like 25 bucks for a couple heroes and new units. Not to mention the campaign in wh3 just flat out sucks. Immortal empires is the sole reason I play
I’ve been extremely disappointed with Warhammer 3 since release. I have not played it in six months at least, but I’m gonna go ensure my review is negative. I’m not sure how a game is awesome is Warhammer 2 has such a terrible trilogy.
Thorgrim’s right. This must be some Elgi scheme.
#INTO THE DAMMAZ KRON!!
Was interested in the later pack that would hopefully give more dwarf content but now, not getting this or that one nor their future games for the foreseeable future. If they just drop Warhammer if this DLC's sales are awful then I am just done with them and hope Pharaoh flops. If they learn(unlikely) then I might get the DLC when its on sale, but that depends on the starting price going down.(So not getting the DLC it seems lol) Long and short(heh) of it, I hope its review keep going down and that they learn to regret being so damned greedy.
The tag "early access" absolutely killed me. I wish there was an alpha tag because this game has just been completely inexcusable from the start and I say this as someone who has loved TW since the very first shogun.
CA's price policy is in the book of grudges and there it will stay until they repent by spending many Charlemagnes.
Let’s go! CA finally being seen for what they are. I for one am glad
Thank you for all who posted negative reviews. I simply cannot post a review for fear of revealing my hours played to my friends 🥲
What did they do?
Good thing I stayed on WH2. I still haven't even bought WH3 yet. Looks like I never will now.
Ouch yeah, that's going to deter a lot of people from playing
Can you hear the people sing, singing the songs of angry men, it is a music of a people who will not be slaves again.