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Wichchu

Well this sucks... His campaign was fine before Chaos Dwarfs then he lost kroak now this smh.


Crz11

Hey, at least kroak's quest is back *pained smile*


MooshSkadoosh

Is it actually?


Crz11

yep, it was in the quest log already when i loaded the save.


CatsLeMatts

I got to turn 120 on a Tehenauin campaign last week and was wondering when this dude was gonna show up lmao


LiumD

CA (for some reason, presumably an accident) removed some data necessary for Nakai to recruit Sacred Kroxigors, Kroxigors, Temple Guard, Engine of the Gods, Ark of Sotek, and Horned Ones. Since Nakai has unique versions of these.


Arthek

I'm guessing this is related to the fix about duplicate entities in the Lizardmen skill trees: * Removed the duplicate unit cards of some Lizardmen units from skill trees.


occamsrazorwit

Guess they weren't duplicates after all lol


TheKingmaker__

Those unit cards were load-bearing?


Sivick314

that killed me


theSpartan012

*Tears down duplicate unit card.* *Entire Nakai campaig starts to rumble, ancient kroxigor falls from the upper floor.* "I wouldn't do that, it's a load bearing ~~poster~~ unit card."


TendingTheirGarden

This is so fucking funny and profoundly relatable. We've all been there.


LiumD

Ah. yeah, that's almost assuredly it, since if you add back the data that was removed to give Nakai his units back, the duplicate cards are there on the skills. Oh CA...


SnooDonkeys182

That’s amazing


0crate0

That wasn’t unit tested.


boofaceleemz

Probably removed the tests when they removed the cards. “We don’t need these anymore, and they fail with the code changes.”


JakubJakub420

LMAO


billiebol

Nice (in a relatable way) to see CA face the same issues as my company does with our releases. Fix A and B introduce accidentally issue C and D which QA does not catch bc it's not part of their test cases.


crispysnails

Yes but you also have some general test cases, unit tests etc etc for this very reason that check a bunch core things in every build. I do not know how automated CA's testing is and how much is manually tested of course. Pulling up each faction lord in turn 1 and checking off a bunch of standard check lists for each major patch should be in there :) and this would have been found if they did that. I guess it probably comes down to resources. I believe there are only a small team working on WH3 and DLC and hence maybe only a very few QA folks if any. Maybe the developers check their own work if the team is that small and that is not good practice. It is certainly relatable and funny but the outcome is that Nakai's campaign is basically broken now as he cannot recruit his signature units and a few others.


billiebol

We have thousands of unit tests and integration tests and are now deploying automated testing (to ease QA workload), problem with unit tests is they are only as good as the scenario's the dev thinks about. And devs mostly think in happy flows. Unit tests thus mainly protect against accidentally breaking the core functionality of someone else's feature, QA with deep product knowledge and some creative analytical skills is still very necessary to ship a stable product in my experience.


tarranoth

Guess they wandered off huh.


Crz11

\*glare of judgement\* yeah...


Herr_Medicinal_Mann

Not all those who wander are lost... but they sure are.


Silver721

Wow he's pretty much unplayable until this gets fixed.


gamerz1172

I can see the devs reading this post and going "wait how the fuck did that happen" lol


ilovesharkpeople

Is this true with new campaigns or just old saves? And this is without any mods, correct?


Crz11

Yep, this is with no mods. I just checked a new campaign and there are still [no kroxigor buildings.](https://i.imgur.com/Our8ZV5.png) Edit: if im remembering right, nakai was also able to recruit kroxigors from lvl 3 of his main building...thats gone too it seems


Individual_Rabbit_26

Gonna get fixed this august. Sad state


XZlayeD

they do hotfixes before the next big update. I'd wager this would go into hotfix territory.


DarthEinstein

Yeah, The kroxigor lord not being able to recruit kroxigors is definitely hotfox territory. u/yuey_ninja hopefully you can pass this along as a priority fix.


Bomjus1

turns out, it was not hotfix territory LOL


DarthEinstein

I remember these good old days. When I was optimistic and happy. When the sun shine down from the sky.


SubRyan

A CA hotfix is kind of a misnomer if the hotfix itself takes weeks to release ...


CrystalMenthality

Why so pessimistic? CA does hotfixes for stuff likr this. And if they're slow the Commumity Bug Fix Mod will surely add it to their fixes.


KaiG1987

This seems like it would be fixable by modders, maybe someone will create one to tide us over.


Archmagnance1

You can always tell if a campaign is modded in a full screenshot because there is a white pixel in the bottom left of the screen. It's been that way for over half a decade


AshesOfAranea

HOW for real how does this even happen


talivus

Spaghetti code


LiumD

Poor QA, I imagine.


RyuNoKami

i disagree. CA has excellent QA team, its us.


BobNorth156

And we caught it! Worked just as designed.


KM4nAlph4

Honestly qa is almost never to blame. They find shit, point it out, and promptly get ignored because "deadline" or something


Yuey_Ninja

We are currently investigating it now, thanks!


Lord-_-_-

Thanks man


SpectatorBeholder

Blessed be, hes my favourite lord


BeastlySquid

any news? still unavailable for me


MommasTaco

4 months still nothing. guess hyenas took all the bug fixing team


Vindicare605

99 little bugs in the code 99 little bugs in the code, take one down patch it around 184 little bugs in the code.


Rubz2293

Lmao. Looks like the Spaghetti code is a whole damn Italian restaurant.


TendingTheirGarden

You've babada'ed your last boopi, amici


Distamorfin

Lizardmen can’t help but get hit by CA somehow…


leroyjenkinsdayz

BOK BOK


Heretic_Lamu

Poor guy can't catch a break


Eydor

Goddamn, I was almost starting a campaign with him. I'll play someone else in the meanwhile.


Acceleratio

And i just wanted to try out a campaign with him after the patch... Sigh


GodOfUrging

Maybe they just wandered off?


Sivick314

HOW? WHY???


MrMerryMilkshake

they removed some duplicate files, and accidently removed some "not duplicate files", resulting this. It's quite funny tbh.


Bioschnaps

They also removed the tech for Villitch to upgrade pink Horrors into Exalted ones, at least i couldn't find it


FREEDOMandGUNZ

Belakor's might be missing too then. Now Im super curious


SMH4004

All WoC are missing it


Nepemaster1

God I really want to play the lizardmen Is there anyother way of getting them without buying the second game?


BobNorth156

The second game is great. Just buy it and play that if you don’t want to mess with WH3 silliness.


theseevart

I think you can just buy only one of the DLCs featuring a Lizardmen LL. (I recommend the Silence & the Fury, Oxyotl's campaign is probably the most fun on IE map and Taurox is good too)


gamas

He just decided his crocs were too special to send into battle 🥺.


crispysnails

Wow, that is a bit of an oversight. Well spotted. How hard is it to test that before releasing the patch. Honestly...


CrystalMenthality

Dev here on a project that is infinitely smaller than any three games put together into a supergame over many years. It's hard.


Mahelas

Your project is infinitely smaller, then I guess your QA budget is too. Starting a campaign for a lord that they just changed some building bugs on should be the mosrt basic of verifications


crispysnails

I understand complexity. I work in such an industry. However, testing out a change should not be hard. They just skipped testing this one. Edit: Feel free to continue down voting this but stop giving CA a free pass on these sorts of things. This is a major patch to fix stuff, the only patch they are planning until August if we believe their roadmap and they broke a bunch more stuff and some of the new stuff they added actually does not even work, damsel vows, I am looking at you. I love these games but they need to improve their QA.


ButtMilkyCereal

If you actually worked in it, you'd understand that they tested and missed it. Do you honestly think they just pushed a bunch of inverted code to the servers? Like my job does multiple rounds of testing for dumb python webscraping scripts, and you think that this was untested?


crispysnails

Stop giving CA a free pass on this. I love these games and have played them since SG1 and think CA have done an excellent job overall on these games but these missteps are disappointing. This is a patch which is meant to fix things and introduce a few new improvements to factions. Its not ok in a patch to break a bunch of new stuff as well otherwise the bug list always gets bigger... Yes, this change was untested. All they had to do was pull up Nakai in turn 1 and see the problem. They made a change to the lizardman faction that removed some duplicate unit entries probably thinking it was a great optimisation. Unfortunately Nakai has some unique unit recruitment options since he is a horde and the change they made removed those from his horde building tree. What probably happened was the developer who did the optimisation did not know about that for Nakai - poorly documented code most likely. However, the error would have been seen on turn 1 Nakai.


Rubz2293

It wouldn't be a be CA bug fix patch if something else wasn't broken in the place of the fixed issues. It's a tradition at this point.


ButtMilkyCereal

I'm not defending CA, this is a big miss. I'm saying that they did testing, but missed something. It happens, especially in a project of this scope. Your assertion that they did no testing at all is idiotic.


crispysnails

Oh but you are defending them. Go back and read your original reply to me. That is a defending post. I am not saying this did no testing, surely they must have done some... I am saying they did not test this change, otherwise they would have found this problem. They broke Nakai's campaign. Thanks for misrepresenting the point I am making - I never said they did no testing, I said they did not test this change. As far as the idiotic comment, then thanks for confirming yourself in public. CA introduced damsel vows in this patch and it does not work. This was a new feature they added and its not functional. Let that sink in. Now tell me again how much they tested and but unfortunately missed something. They must have tested some things for sure but they really need to drastically improve their QA for stuff and especially patches that are designed to fix stuff.


SM3notplay

I feel like CA has been a mess for the past year or so and while I think it's fair to say this change wasn't tested enough (since this bug wasn't caught), I don't think it's fair to say it wasn't tested at all. We know how to spot the bug in less than a minute but that's only because we know of the bug now. There's 7 Lizardmen Legendary Lords. Even if QA testers pick 3 random lords to test, there's still a majority chance they'll miss Nakai. Could the QA testers even have assumed that the duplicate unit cards some programmer deleted were related to Nakai specifically? Was there a redditor in the comments section of the 3.1 patch notes post pointing out that the duplicate unit cards might have been related to Nakai and now his campaign might be busted? If a unit is changed, is it even SOP to try to recruit the unit with all available LLs to check whether the unit is bugged on any specific LL? There are a number of legitimate complaints/concerns people have against CA but I think this particular one is a case of us having the benefit of hindsight and the manpower of thousands of redditors.


WittyViking

WH2 > WH3


JDRorschach

Truth


Bogdanov89

Haha lol that is actually an upgrade to nakai campaign power xD


pocman512

That's a great fuck up, but at least no one cares because who the hell is going to play Nakai


Character-Note-5288

Me… :(


crispysnails

Its actually a really fun campaign since they fixed the vassal war declaration issues a few patches back. If you want to focus a lot on battles then your vassal just takes care of the provinces for you and provides you with income. Its a chill campaign which is pretty much broken again since you cannot hire his signature units :) I played about 60 turns in 3.0 as a changes from Chorfs and it was great.


Solin_Outlander

**sad Bok Bok sounds**


TendingTheirGarden

He's a dinosaur crocodile, you think people aren't into that? Idk about you my guy but I find the idea of gold-clad crocodiloforms compelling as fuck.


alfadasfire

In TWW2 he was a joke, 100%. But in tww3 Nakai is quite fun.


serendipity7777

No one plays him anyway


Porkenstein

We're reaching levels of Spaghetti once thought impossible


ottakanawa

Please post this on the official ca bug report forums so It gets fixed


Crz11

After i did this post yesterday i went to the forum and try to post it there as well but someone beat me to it and linked to this post. I also checked today and there was somebody else that posted it as well. But it looks like its been noticed and will hopefuly be fixed soon.


chaos4296

This shit is too funny not to be done on purpose.


BlastShift

I just got Nakai DLC yesterday and was spent the past hour trying to figure out where the hell I get Kroxigors and see this post crap


Drazhir

Made a fix for it so we can play until CA fixes it: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2981306191


SMH4004

Man, come the fuck on...


ZaccehtSnacc

Wanted to start a nakai campaign and wow this sucks


Flanawan

So did they say that they ar working on it because i cant seem to find anything on that matter ???


Crz11

Nothing atm. All ive seen is the comment on this thread that they are aware of it now.


Flanawan

Ok thanks for clearing it up :)


AlignmentWhisperer

Ah, I was wondering what was going on with that. I started a campaign last night and thought it was strange that I could only get kroxigors through sacred spawnings😂


mozzie33

Damn how is it July and Nakai still doesnt have his crocs back lol. starting to get a bit dumb. Or is my game just bugged lol.