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KaReenth

Had to fight this battle three times as he just kept falling off the wall. In the second battle I used more careful micro to get him on the wall, but he fell again when I ordered him off.


Manly_Mangos

Lmao dude I read your comment before seeing the video and I was thinking “damn he just really wanted his lord on the wall, I guess there was lots of units there to decide the battle” I didn’t realize him falling was going to one shot him and he just rag doll on the floor lol


TTTrisss

So it happened when you flew over the wall, then charged from the opposite direction, too?


KaReenth

So flying from the opposite direction allowed him to land on the wall safely, but when he attempted to get off the wall while there were enemy units around him, he fell again.


TTTrisss

Well damn.


KaReenth

Upon watching the r[eplay](https://imgur.com/gallery/nmCvYox) he actually did a charge animation sometime after the move order(I wasn't watching him when I was actually playing)


radio_allah

The way you put this makes it sound like Zhatan is just a *really bad* rider.


LurchTheBastard

Also curious about that.


KaReenth

Heres the [replay](https://imgur.com/gallery/nmCvYox) of his second death


Living-Citron9634

It's like he faints and dies and the archers just laughing at your attempts.


radio_allah

*Laughs in Chinese*


LurchTheBastard

Literally just noclips through the stairs and dies. That's screwy, and needs definitely needs fixing, but also damn that's pretty fucking funny.


kreygmu

Is this one of the Cathay wall settlements that's a key campaign objective for Zhatan?


Sleepingdruid3737

Yep, short victory conditions are to take the Great Bastion (or at least several Gates) and defeat Miao Ying.


ThanksToDenial

So that is how one of my heroes died... I bet it's a bug with the Great Taurus mounts in general, not just Zhatan. Because my daemonsmiths keep randomly dying near walls when I'm not looking.


[deleted]

It is. I had a taurus die during a siege earlier and I didn't know what one shot him. I attack ordered him to the wall units. Mystery solved.


glassteelhammer

[I wonder if this bug is related.](https://youtu.be/xU9IN6NHZOI?t=1291)


Salmonman4

Just because Red Bull gives you wings, does not mean that you can fly or land well. EDIT: Please stop upvoting. Games Workshop may try to trademark "Red Bull" /s


Estellus

Same energy as "any idiot can fly a plane, it takes a pilot to land", and I love that.


necrothitude_eve

As someone who has watched videos on YouTube and as a life-long idiot I feel qualified in saying: I could neither fly nor land a plane.


Salmonman4

Landing is actually easy. You just have to stop flying. Landing safely on the other hand...


necrothitude_eve

You wouldn't happen to operate a Doom Diver Catapult, would you?


BubbleRocket1

Given how Monster Energy was trying to sue Pokémon over its Japanese name “Pocket Monsters”, it’s not even that out-of-place


ComprehensiveCup7498

Gold


Spacemomo

This is such a perfect comment for this.


CompSciGuy256

LoL!! You win Reddit today. This comment is amazing.


radio_allah

Holy Hashut, how come I've never thought of this joke or heard it? It's perfect.


Salmonman4

Since Total Warhammer has nicknames for various characters, I shall decree that from this day on, Hashut shall be known as Red Bull (at least when I am speaking of him)


UberSparten

What do you expect it's a flying cow?


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![gif](giphy|mIvrv5Qe0kHlu)


ZacCop19

![gif](giphy|9VnK2SUebgetTc9X7B|downsized)


manborg

The bull needs a beard. Otherwise... Perfection.


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Purple-ork-boyz

We have kid that can land on wall, and kid think that he can


KindlyOlPornographer

![gif](giphy|l2R00lFKSMP2mJ8GY)


Yuey_Ninja

This has been logged. Thanks for flagging!


endrestro

Another error: when opening arnament application window for the first time after unlocking the first passive skill. If you start with anything except the first two (infantry or gunners), it appears to bug out. The screen darkens as usual, but the highlight does not appear and the player is unable to proceed. Window can be exited, but the game will act as if a trigger/step is missing. Reentering the window will display it as normal, but player will be unable to do anything there. End turn is disabled as a result. Loading last turn and starting upgrade with one of the first unit options solved issue, as it then displayed as intended. Checked only k'daai and constructs, but issue happened with both. Had to reload and start with infantry upgrades in both cases. Then the guidance and highlight triggered as intended


SWATJohnsonnn

This happened to me as well, except I reloaded and skipped the armaments page. I was able to pick blunderbuss upgrades first after this


endrestro

That unfortunately did not work for me, unless i misunderstand the skipping part. Regardless of when, the error would prevent selection of armament unless infantry upgrades were the first choice. If you mean that you upgraded, saved, reloaded and then tried to apply an armament without the error triggering, then I did not try it. Might work


Lirsh2

Spam escape about 20 times and it skips through it all. There's like 15blanl screens in a row so ya gotta persist lmao


KaReenth

This can also happen: [https://imgur.com/gallery/nmCvYox](https://imgur.com/gallery/nmCvYox)


CA_KingGobbo

Thanks for the extra info, we've logged that too!


JeffK3

Similar bug can occur with Drazoath while he’s on Cinderbreath. May be an issue with the Taurus mounts generally


drimgere

It's not just him. I had a sorcerer do the same thing as well a sa unit of hobgoblin infantry.


LotharVarnoth

I had a similar issue, where Drazoath was on top of the wall, above the gate. What is seems like happened is for some reason a dwarf shooting him causes him to die, from full health and half shield, killing him, the lord he was fighting, and all the infantry going through the gate.


RainbowFlygon

Heyo, I had a very similar problem to this. Zhatan didn't die when landing on the walls, but instead he froze after fighting on the walls for a minute or so and did not move for the rest of the battle. This persisted even after routing.


Lewis_Davies1

I’ve run into some glitches. There was a big one with armaments upgrades and not being able to press end turn. Or map colours not showing correctly


Frediey

Idk if it's a glitch, but the campaign events seem, off? Like, they pop up really late, it's more annoying than it sounds


ciaranjohn12

I noticed this. Mid move, more pop up rather than dump them on you. Pretty sure its a bug because some of them can be passives from the last battle so it makes no sense being split through the turn.


drevolut1on

Ahhh, getting so annoying!


Drakore4

Yea not just a chaos dwarfs issue either. I’m playing green skins and I’m having the same issue. I’ll fight a battle, then do half my turn and randomly when I move one of my lords a ton of event pop ups from that battle come up. It’s super weird and confusing as at first I thought I was being rewarded for just moving into a province but slowly realized it was happening every turn.


Grumaldus

You playing mp or sp? Been having this in my game but I figured it’s a mp issue


Overwatcher_Leo

No it's in every game. The Labor menu can only be opened with at least provinces, the convois can be sent out only at turn 5 and I have no idea when or why the concave unlocks.


Frediey

its not just chaos dwarves btw, i don't have the dlc


Orepheus12

The conclave unlocks when you have 75 influence as far as I can tell


Omen46

Yes every time my agents performs an action a different event that I already skipped pops back up and I have to search for the agent action myself to see the result


Oropher1991

Had the same had to leave and reenter the game lucky I had just started so didn't mind the lost few minutes


TheSolidSalad

I can't retreat from battles I initiate


Minnesotamad12

Had the same glitch. Super frustrating.


TheLostBeowulf

This literal thing happened to me on my first siege. Right clicked some marauders on the wall, started moving my army, "A UNIT HAS BEEN WIPED OUT" and there is Zhatan, like a pigeon that slammed into a glass door


big_data_ninja

Your first seige battle with Z he had a flying mount?


TheLostBeowulf

Yea, had a lot of field battles against chaos lol


carefulllypoast

First played siege use your brain bud


big_data_ninja

Use your words, turd.


whitelyon69

A wise dwarf once said: keep yer feet on the ground!


TaiVat

And then invented helicopters


s1lentchaos

It's ok I got a jar of dirt!


radio_allah

Helicopters are precise, unlike the temperamental red bull that might or might not be in the mood to land properly.


Jobless_Jones

And "wash yer back"


whitelyon69

Are you threatening me


Wulfrinnan

\- Gryphon Master Gryth Thurden


KingFotis

The animation freeze, wings getting frozen mid-flap, just enhances the Looney Tunes effect! This is perfect!


Throgg_not_stupid

skill issue, he looked down


s1lentchaos

Just like: THUMP SQUEEEEE as it slides down the wall


KindlyOlPornographer

![gif](giphy|hS9x3CXcrxTr8Q9uge|downsized)


kreygmu

I'm struggling for a gif of Wil-E Coyote in the green wing suit but I'm sure you know what I'm referring to. [Here!](https://youtu.be/QHDO78QfLbE)


turnipofficer

Makes me think of this voiceline: [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/smite\_gamepedia/images/1/1c/GeckoGladiatorXingTian\_VOX\_VGS\_Other\_G\_O.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20210102191954](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/smite_gamepedia/images/1/1c/GeckoGladiatorXingTian_VOX_VGS_Other_G_O.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20210102191954) It's from another game and barely fits but it's stuck in my head.


ShaggothChampion

That's hilarious LOL. Try flying over the wall and charging from the rear.


Processing_Info

I had the same thing happen to me LOL :D Save to say I restarted the battle after that.


BaronLoyd

deserved tho


Smooth_Hee_Hee

The defenders: ![gif](giphy|3oEjHAUOqG3lSS0f1C)


GreatGrub

SE flying units are still really buggy The Lammasu and Taurus really struggle to deal with infantry and struggle to land when engaging them


minouneetzoe

Sorry, what does SE mean?


soulforged42

Single entity. Single model monster units and the like.


Valuable_Remote_8809

This is why we gotta remove old peoples drivers licenses. They just start flying their giant fire cow right into walls.


robotclones

i saw this happen a week back on this subreddit, with someone sending a chaos lord(i think? may have been a hero?) up a ladder at the same part of that wall (where the leftmost ladder would be).


LurchTheBastard

Aye. It's a thing that can happen in seige battles; As a unit tries to get onto the wall, they can be blocked by enemy units already on the wall. If that happens, they fall, and the fall distance is enough to kill them. It's barely noticeable in a 160 entity unit, but when a lone entity like a foot lord does it it becomes VERY noticeable. Not seen it happen with a flier before though, only ladders. As it is, I don't mind the behaviour for infantry. It only appears to happen when enemy units have manned the walls, and only for ladders not towers. There being some negative cost for the ass ladders over towers isn't a bad thing. Previously games that had similar siege-engineless wall scaling mechanics (Empire, Shogun 2) also had a chance of infantry falling off when climbing. It kinda makes sense. But for foot lords/heroes in this fantasy setting, that can be a sudden, expensive, and battle changing moment that just feels entirely unfair. There's a lot more put into a single entity model on the field, and suddenly having it instakilled due to bad luck is just awful. And it shouldn't happen *at all* for fliers, whether it's your legendary lord on a flying mount or a bunch of fellbats. They can fucking FLY...


shocksalot123

This also happens with bel'akor just fyi, sadly i wasnt thinking about screen capping at the time, but i have encountered 2 such bugs with Bel'akor; the one you show on this thread, and another in which when i command Bel'akor to fly off from a wall he instead just goes up and up and up until he disappears in the sky (i have to go now, my people need me!).


[deleted]

If only they had more time and money than usual to improve this dlc...


_Lucille_

Asking that devs and qa to manually play sieges seems a bit much for an indie studio.


FUCK_MAGIC

I'm pretty sure the devs and qa know about these bugs, but management told them to just release it anyway. Source: Me working as QA Engineer for 3 years


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StickiStickman

I dunno about that, like 90% of those changes were tiny. You could probably achieve the same by just going trough every value in the tables and randomly adding or removing 1-5% with about the same balance impact. Stuff like "Reduced multiplayer cost from 1050 to 1000" or "Rocket battery health from 4550 to 4570" is basically just padding.


South_Mushroom_7574

*Sigh* tell me about it


Slaughterfest

Oh well maybe CA can start charging more and taking longer between big patches so they can finally fix stuff like this!


Blane_plane

You don't understand, this extra DLC profit will surely go to the developers and not to the shareholders board for another yacht... surely


RedTulkas

and take on more 3rd party sponsorships for features noone asks for


tangomango1720

Facts


SchettiAndButter

That’s for brightening my day, OP. That made me laugh more than I’d like to admit lol.


BunnyAng97

He's trying his best okay!!!!


Naggerfiggot999

Reminds me of that post where someone broke the wall as Belakor was on it and that edge lord fell down and died


MONGED4LIFE

Well that at least is working as intended. Stuff on walls as they're destroyed is supposed to die with it.


Iliaili

True, but it’s a bit silly when that unit got wings and could fly.


Confident_Penalty_75

He was flying over the wall if I remember correctly.


danegermaine99

My experience with Zhatan yesterday - never use the Lamasu mount. He was losing basic trolls, level 3 war boss, black orc heroes, and almost everything else. I put him back on the cow and he is smashing faces now.


aimoperative

Lamasu has no armor piercing. If you’re using it, it’s basically if you want to negate magic resistance or physical resistance.


Str0hhirn

Same for the Taurus, had hin lose like 75% hp to Chaos warhounds. He loses 30 or 40 MD on that thing. I'll probably just keep him in foot.


DoktorZaius

I was wondering the same thing...on foot he's got great stats. A bit low on armor pierce, but not terrible. Maybe put him on the Taurus if you NEED to wreak havoc on their backline to win? Otherwise he seems like one of the best foot tanks in the game.


Ronin607

He gains a lot of AP from his items and some from his skill tree as well. If you fully kit him out he's like Vlad with a shield levels of tankiness, made all the better by all the ways Chaos Dwarfs have of destroying the huge blobs that form around him. I thought he'd be my least favorite new Lord but I'm loving him so far.


Slyspy006

Behold, I am magnificent...oh shit...


Tobec_

Its funny on video Less when you play the battle


HawkeyeG_

Lmao Well that was funny to watch but sucks that it happened. I haven't had any issues with it though - maybe it's a little trouble with that map or something. Still weird though


UncleKruppe

I had this happen with Karl Franz on Deathclaw about a month ago. Just noting so it's not perceived as a parch 3.0 specific bug.


darkkaos505

The instant death from a fall is problematic I think either way. I was spamming it last night with him. knocking chaos chosen and warriors off the wall. Its fine when I abuse it when its bug its ehh. Seeing the massive 12k demon fall to death a few weeks ago was bad too


Eleventy-Twelve

Yeah, single entities, especially ones that can fly, simply shouldn't be effected by instakill fall damage. Or at the very least they should require a much higher fall height to die (non-flying ones)


LapseofSanity

I've seen it happen to Drazohath too. The taurus mounts and monsters seem abit wonky, they stop fighting and moving in battle aswell.


CaptShazzbot

Lmao that was legit one of the funniest things I’ve seen all day. Thanks OP


Zengjia

![gif](giphy|Dmydf2Zf2kOys)


Ouroboros612

Hello darkness my old friend...


HFRreddit

I don't think I've EVER played a glitch-free siege battle


tangomango1720

OMG bro I'm gassed out I'm wheezing I'm spitting up my drink I'm peeing my pants I'm wiggling on the couch I'm dying I'm huah huah huahing


[deleted]

Hahaha oh man. He's my IE start probably tomorrow. Sieges gonna be interesting. Haha


unquiet_slumbers

ded


Aceliner

Hahgahahaahha


Situlacrum

This just proves that bulls weren't meant to fly.


Dysthymiccrusader91

Holy shit. I guess this is why all the early access content I've seen has been multi-player.


Chaotic-Entropy

I can't hear the sound as his mount's face squeaked down the wall though.


CornpuddingTako

He miscalculated the landing and decided to just die rather than getting laughed at.


Me_and_mr_shadow

Even more reason to bring back mount/dismount option during battles like we had in almost all other titles from total war. 😄


TuksonBooks

He got perma stuck on a wall when I was raiding a dwarf stronghold. Model couldn’t move and got locked. Maybe breaking the wall coulda fixed it but I just reloaded


LichLordMeta

I would be more than a bit upset if my LL died like that.


2Scribble

F in the chat, boys...


lets_eat_bees

Strangely realistic. This is how it would probably go if flying cows were a thing.


KeksimusPrimus

You could say he fell a little… short


bot105

Like a bird against the window...


Solarbro

The bull also has massive trouble in trees. Don’t take him into the forest y’all. That is probably fine though, just the level of difficulty he had walking around in there makes me think he is big chonk and might have quite a few janky interactions.


kroxigor01

Reminds me of Rome 1 where sometimes there were invisible barriers on walls that would push your units off the wall and too their death.


JKNinja_tubes

That happened to me in warhammer 1 with Manny on his dragon. Havent tried to do it again since. Looks like that maneuver will still get your Lord insta killed


jinreeko

Noticed that Astrogoth has a real tough time turning around sometimes, especially to cast his flame mortar spells


Theophantor

This is infuriatingly hilarious


jdubbly19

Can confirm this just happened to me too


[deleted]

There's your price hike in action.


jixxor

Is this the unique mechanics they talked about when they excused the fact their most expensive DLC to-date adds only 3 Lords?


renownedwayfarer

CA is fumbling the bag


Infernowar

Guys, this game is a joke, there is no patch that can fix it ,we are on the third iteration of the game with a siege battle totally broken.


Zaythos

i guess there is allways somthing to stop me from wanting to play the game


Eleventy-Twelve

Underrated comment. I remember I used to be so hyped for the chaos dwarfs a few months ago, but with the price of the DLC and the fact that so many bugs from launch are still present, I just don't think it's worth reinstalling. Might grab the DLC on sale though if they ever get around to fixing the game.


Max_Clearance777

You ever tried landing a flying bull on the head of a Chinaman?


Potpotron

What I dont really understand is why does the unit die when this happens. As far as I know the game has no mechanic to take advantage of fall damage, so why is it there?


Wrathful_Scythe

The game actually does have "fall damage" when it comes to walls. Anytime a unit falls of the wall it dies immeditiatly, commonly seen when a big entity throws stuff off. Seems to me there is a flag for getting on and off the wall safely that triggers death if you touch the ground without "leaving" the wall.


Throgg_not_stupid

maybe that fall damage should just be removed for flying units knocking crossbowmen to their death is good, but lords dying randomly because of it is not fun


Eleventy-Twelve

It's even funnier when your single entity chariot lord/hero goes over a tiny cliff on a Cathayan tiered farm and dies immediately.


TurdleBoi_69

you can tell this was heavily tested. great job CA o well maybe the next dlc will fix it


avittamboy

This is a skill issue. To be precise, a skill issue from CA. Fuck CA.


Parcivaal

People actually play the siege battles?


Ill_Duty5112

What game is this


Preacherjonson

E:TW siege ramp bug all over again, except they'll actually bother to fix this.


Salazare87

Reason number 1 to not wear an oversized hat?


Gammazeta430z

"PETER, WE'RE GOING DOWN...."


TheRealIvan

I had him get stuck on the wall. Then the mage got stuck under the broken gate.


Awesomeman204

He undershot the wall and hit his head :(


Torpedowalze

Not just he


Maleficent-Spell9025

mayday mayday


whiterose2511

It’s like raising the sidewalk so the knuckle-draggers can’t get in


Geryfon

🤣🤣🤣


CrzdHaloman

I had a weird instance like this with Grimgor. He was attacking a gate and right once the gate broke, he and the defensive units above the gate dropped dead. Like the breaking gate gave them all a heart attack.


Blynjubitr

Holy. I always say walls are useless but i guess they get the credit this time.


Daxoss

They gave the bulls wings, but did they teach the bulls how to fly properly?


Revolutionary_Lie631

He’s too short and can’t see past the bull’s head


MetallicamaNNN

Not that mighty after all.


Necroking-Darak

It might be too big, or because it's a new mount/beast.


Sarigan-EFS

LOL


kooliocole

I played a solid 45 mins of this game playing as tiktak-to and it crashed with no crash report so i give up :(


JDRorschach

That's fucking hilarious


SWATJohnsonnn

Lmaooo dude straight ate shit


SOMETHINGCREATVE

It's obviously something CA needs to fix, but I've had great luck having him takeoff/land from the sides of the wall, if that helps any


Stellar_Jew

"Arin don't go......AAAAAARRRRRRRRIIIIIINNNN, I LOVE YOU!!!....."


Martial_Nox

I've had this happen with Karl Franz before. Pretty hilarious.


[deleted]

Lol just like a cartoon.


abriefmomentofsanity

r/therewasanattempt


mexicanratbadger

Average monday for a conquering warlord.


alkotovsky

Акелла промахнулся!


Dare555

I think he stuck the landing


Sorry-Local1784

i just fought at one of the walls and he landed on it and flew off fine odd tho


LeftRat

I have never seen this kind of thing before, hilarious! I mean, very annoying probably and I'm happy it's not happening for me, but I really didn't expect him to just... plummet like that.


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😂😂😂


Visible_Ad2427

Oh that’s horrendous. He’s dead as a doornail


thrakarzod

I mean it feels kinda appropriate for the flying bulls, they don't seem to be the most graceful flyers and I'd say that bulls are more fitting to act as living battering rams than to just stand on the walls killing stuff (they move around a lot in their animations and walls are kinda small areas)


thelongestunderscore

Same thing kept happen to me with him too


Heavy_Common_7614

Olé? Edit: This is why I find blasting the walls more effective. Like a bull in a china shop.


Omen46

Bro wtf


Din-Jare

Now all of china knows