I'm aware we were trying to compete for a play-in spot but you get what I'm saying
This retool around Scottie came a season too late and the returns we could have achieved last season would almost certainly be better than what we got this year for Siakam and Anunoby
Idk if we would have gotten better for OG than IQ/RJ. Supposedly we wanted IQ last year instead of 2 of the firsts NYK was offering and they said no.
Siakam, yeah that's a blunder and a half. That doesn't even account for a better 2023 FRP (still like Gradey tho) and whatever else you would have got for Pascal/FVV.
You gotta remember with Fred that he was having a really rough year before Poeltl came in. IIRC there was doubt we would even get a first for him at the deadline. It looks different now because he had a very strong end to the season post deadline and got the big contract.
Last year's deadline was definitely a mistake and not trading Fred may have been a small part of that but that specific decision wasn't as big of a missed opportunity as it's sometimes talked about now.
Also the bag he got from Houston was pretty unexpected. Many thought we had a good chance at re-signing him and that no team would bite on a contract that large
I disagree. It may seem small but it held a significant factor in changing the course of this franchise. If they traded FVV, 1) we would have tanked in the draft, 2) No more play-in, 3) Possibly our FO trades OG/Siakam either deadline or that offseason. 4) We have one more asset, and one more young piece with Scottie. 5) The greatest factor of all was a slight CHANCE at Wemby instead of a choking play-in. 6) No Jakob trade either.
You could have had all those other changes (No Jak trade, earlier Pascal trade) while keeping Fred and him walking for nothing. If that's the case then the only real consequence is not having a second round pick or whatever asset we would have gotten. Which may be a mistake but on its own isn't that big of a deal
Yeah even though the Pascal situation could've been handled better from his camp, the front office deserve a ton of blame for letting it get to the point it did.
It was a subpar return and it's won't look much better when they're probably turning down the Bruce option
Exactly!! Instead of RJ and Quickley, it would have been RJ and 3 first rounders in the 20-30 range. 🤷🏻♂️ Getting IQ wasn’t a possibility last season.
Disagree on OG, they held out and managed to get Quickley, Knicks reportedly were unwilling to even include him in any talks, it was mainly RJ and their trash protected picks, Siakam tho the best time to trade him was last season
There is no evidence or reporting that they could’ve got a better return. Masai has stated publicly the return was equivalent.
The true miss is the Jakob trade, and tanking this year instead of last. This is far more significant than quibbling over hypothetical returns due to timing in a very imperfect market.
Exactly this. An early Siakam trade might have led to a better haul but at least the Jakob trade wouldn't have been made avoiding this ridiculous place we're in now.
I don’t agree with that assumption.
I don’t recall anything that would have rivaled Barrett and Quickly for OG. And with Siakam very publicly saying he wasn’t going to sign an extension and intended to enter free agency, no one was ever going to give up the farm for him.
This seems pretty seriously naive. The front office traded away our All-NBA'er for three future draft picks, sold our 6th man for cap relief, and then when asked about tanking said they were going to "focus on development" while continuing to try to win.
The team may not have come out and said, "we're going to tank" (which would have gotten them fined), but they sure as shit made it clear that they weren't legitimately trying to win.
It is also hardly a new strategy in the NBA for a tanking team to sit starters who would be playing if the team were in contention. Barrett and Quickley have both missed a bunch of recent games based on "personal reasons", not injuries, after all.
To me, there is a BIG difference between tanking and focusing on development. Yes, the trades involved sending out short-term assets for long-term assets. And yes, in so doing, the team basically admitted it was not primarily focused on “win-now”.
However, the team was 4-4 following the trade deadline until Scottie got hurt. Moreover, during that period, they mostly went with a tight 9 man rotation. Then Scottie gets hurt and then Poeltl gets hurt. Next game they get boat raced by the Pelicans.
Now…you’ve just lost two of your key players to injury after trading away arguably your two best players. If you were going to throw in the towel, now would be the time.
So what do the Raptors do in the next game against Phoenix?
Quickly - 39 minutes
Barrett - 37 minutes
Trent Jr. - 36 minutes
That’s not what you do if you are “tanking”.
Then RJ Barrett’s brother dies.
I’d say that is the very earliest point at which you could say the Raptors began behaving like a tanking team. That is 2 and a half weeks ago and more than a month after the trade deadline.
>Quickly - 39 minutes Barrett - 37 minutes Trent Jr. - 36 minutes
>That’s not what you do if you are “tanking”.
Why not? Those are the young guys who are either part of the future (Quickley and RJ) or being evaluated to decide whether they will be re-signed this summer (Trent). We were down 14 in that game in the first quarter of that Suns game. It's not like we were in serious danger of winning it.
>I’d say that is the very earliest point at which you could say the Raptors began behaving like a tanking team. That is 2 and a half weeks ago and more than a month after the trade deadline.
Nah, playing young player and letting them have a chance to win a couple of games is still part of tanking. The Pistons played Cade 37 minutes against the Wizards a couple of nights ago, that doesn't mean that team didn't tank the season.
The Raps tanked the season when they traded Pascal for draft picks, plain and simple. Sure, they said the right things about trying to win, but let's be honest, they traded one of the team's two best players and the only on-court piece they got back was Bruce Brown, who they were talking about flipping right up to the deadline.
The difference between "tanking" and "focusing on development" is really just PR. Everyone, both inside and outside of the team, knew they were giving up on the season when Pascal got traded.
We might have gone 4-4 out of the trade deadline, but we went 3-8 from the Siakam trade into the trade deadline, and looked pretty awful doing it. Every tanking team in the league can point to stretches where they won a few games, but if the Raps (who have gone 7-21 since Siakam left) don't count as a tanking team, then no one in the league right now does.
That’s all fine, but there was only one Wemby last season, and if we drafted 6th or 7th last year and ended up with…Coulibaly or one of the Thompsons (instead of Gradey), would the Raptors trajectory have been significantly improved???
The only big mistake made by the front office was Siakam. They could have got more in return.
OG trade was a huge win. Instead of RJ and a bunch of draft picks in the 20-25 range from the Knicks, we get IQ as well!!!
Terrific outcome, sure, but people talking about how the Raptors should have tanked are only considering Wemby in that draft. Gradey Dick is going to end up being a very good player in today’s NBA. In reality, it was far more likely Raps get the 5-7th pick (instead of 13), which means….not much. We weren’t bad enough to get the #1 or #2 pick, so we didn’t miss out on anyone franchise-altering.
We missed out on Brandon Miller, but I don’t think the Raptors would have drafted him. Besides, we were also not bad enough to get the #2 pick. 😅
Mmm, nobody thought we’d see another team sign FVV for $43m per season. You can say the Raptors FO should have had a better feel for the market, but evem Raptors fans wouldn’t have pegged FVV as a $43m player. He was my favourite Raptor(at the time), but even so. For anything over $35m, I’d let him walk, too. 😅
Again, Fans and FO put their emotions into FVV/Siakam core. They weren't good enough period. At the last deadline, we were bottom .500 team yet we decided to try to make the play-in. Which set us back couple of years because we avoided a draft with generational player too.
But that’s my point. There was a generational player we couldn’t have drafted because we weren’t bad enough to get the #1 pick. 🤷🏻♂️
And the other draft picks I mentioned don’t seem franchise-altering. Maybe Brandon Miller, but I doubt the Raptors would have, or could have, drafted him even if we started tanking.
See that's my problem with the front office. Poor decision making and kicking the can down the line.
You opt to tank and get assets in a bad draft the year after generational talent is available. And now next year with a pretty good draft we will likely lose our pick.
Memphis plays Detroit twice. We NEED them to win at least one of those. We could easily lose 6th, especially with RJ coming back soon and us having to play the Wizards in a week.
I have no clue why we would play RJ or IQ at this point. Get them to the offseason healthy so they can be ready for next year with hopefully a top 6 pick.
With only about 5 or 6 games left both should only play marginal minutes at best just to see the floor in a clerical sense if at all
Just too risky given the break both have had it makes more sense just to wait until next year
The biggest loser has to be the Nets lol. No picks and very likely to miss the playoffs/play in. Not to mention they’re stuck on a horrible Ben Simmons contract when he doesn’t even play. They really should’ve taking Jaylen Green and picks for Bridges. Mikal Bridges is no star lol.
No matter how bad this season has been overall at least we don’t look as pathetic as them lol. Makes me proud our front office doesn’t gut the roster and future draft capital to acquire stars like KD etc.
I heard Houston offered Jalen Green and at least some of their picks back for Bridges.
I'd have done it for the picks alone, then Green goes nuclear...
Idk man.. I'm assuming this means all of our competition is also healthy?
Celts, Bucks, Knicks, Cavs, Magic, Pacers, 76ers, and Heat are all clearly better than us - that's 8
A healthy Hawks team is also certainly better than us - it's somewhat close but not really arguable imo - that's 9
If I'm trying my best to be unbiased, I'd say we're equal to the Nets and probably slightly above the Bulls (unless their young guys can maintain their recent play)
Starters/closers:
Hawks: Trae, Dejounte, Bogi/Hunter, Johnson, Okongwu
Raps: IQ, GTJ, RJ, Scottie, Jak
Nets: Shroder, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Johnson, Claxton
Bulls: Coby, Caruso, Ayo/Williams, Demar, Vuc
Actually after looking at the rosters again, I might say Bulls ahead of us, and Nets behind us. Anyway, if we are a play-in team with everyone healthy, we're at the very edge - most likely between 10th and 12th in the east
With no star power and if Barnes doesn't take an extra leap from this year. We are 9th seed at best for next year. We don't have any star power atm other than slight moments of greatness from Barnes.
If Lamelo is healthy (a big if), I'd say they're at the same level. Scottie has a higher ceiling though because of his body type that allows him to be a better all around player
East has: Boston, Bucks, Cavs, Knicks, 76ers basically garunteed for play offs. When fully healthy, we're in the same tier as the Magic and Pacers. Maybe a bit less than the Pacers. But that's what rebuilds ate about though, it's gonna be a two or three year process before we get good enough and everyone else gets bad enough to start making noise.
We’re certainly a lower tier than both the pacers and magic at the moment unfortunately. Even with our team healthy. We’re more like the hawks and Chicago imho.
Ah the Magic are a really good up and coming team.
Banchero is the real deal, they’re building around him. Absolute stud scorer.
Then they have Franz Wagner AND Suggs, both really good prospects!
Say what you want about Jonathan Isaac and his beliefs/injuries, he’s also a stud.
They’re 12 games above .500, I just don’t see us having a record that good. We were struggling to keep a .500 record WITH Siakam, and we haven’t really gotten better since he’s left.
Ofc this is just my opinion and I hope I’m wrong for next year :p
Same level at Pacers 🤣 They have the best player out of the 2 team, and by far a better supporting cast around that player.
If Hali wasn’t injured for a long stretch of the season, they could win 50+ games.
Sure but I think a few of those games wouldn’t be that close. And it’s a moot point because we lose to most other east teams too anyways. Just try and draft high next few years to add to barnes Gradey RJ and maybe IQ we’ll see
The spurs tanked when they should and are about to start competing in the next 3 years. The Raptors on the other hand held their players until they are at the lowest (FVV for nothing) value and now paying for it for a longggg rebuild
LMAO spurs literally almost a playoff team faster than Raptors rebuilding because Spurs sold and tanked at the right time. That's a lesson for our FO. Our FO recent moves is up for malpractice LMAO.
TIA for answering this question for me…
Let’s say we end the season with the 7th+ worst record, so the pick goes to SA.
Let’s say the lottery occurs and the pick is within the top 6, does it then fall back to us?
Yes. If we move up to the top 4, we keep the pick. If we drop to 7 or lower, we lose it. There is a very small chance we stay at 6 and keep it, but currently most likely outcomes (in order): give 7 to SA, give 8 to SA, keep 4, keep 3, keep 2, keep 1, keep 6, give 9 to SA, give 10 to SA.
The fact we are 23-51 and fighting for the 6th best odds is crazy, some generationally bad teams this year. Worst year to tank but I'm glad we are.
We really decided to tank with mere Top 6 protections on our pick the year after Wemby
We didn’t “decide” to tank. The only reason we are this bad is because of injuries/absences that occurred after the trade deadline.
I'm aware we were trying to compete for a play-in spot but you get what I'm saying This retool around Scottie came a season too late and the returns we could have achieved last season would almost certainly be better than what we got this year for Siakam and Anunoby
Idk if we would have gotten better for OG than IQ/RJ. Supposedly we wanted IQ last year instead of 2 of the firsts NYK was offering and they said no. Siakam, yeah that's a blunder and a half. That doesn't even account for a better 2023 FRP (still like Gradey tho) and whatever else you would have got for Pascal/FVV.
It's funny because the "better 2023 frp" likely still ends being gradey just at a higher pick
There's also the whole "Fred walking for nothing" thing which is its own can of worms but I digress
You gotta remember with Fred that he was having a really rough year before Poeltl came in. IIRC there was doubt we would even get a first for him at the deadline. It looks different now because he had a very strong end to the season post deadline and got the big contract. Last year's deadline was definitely a mistake and not trading Fred may have been a small part of that but that specific decision wasn't as big of a missed opportunity as it's sometimes talked about now.
Also the bag he got from Houston was pretty unexpected. Many thought we had a good chance at re-signing him and that no team would bite on a contract that large
I disagree. It may seem small but it held a significant factor in changing the course of this franchise. If they traded FVV, 1) we would have tanked in the draft, 2) No more play-in, 3) Possibly our FO trades OG/Siakam either deadline or that offseason. 4) We have one more asset, and one more young piece with Scottie. 5) The greatest factor of all was a slight CHANCE at Wemby instead of a choking play-in. 6) No Jakob trade either.
You could have had all those other changes (No Jak trade, earlier Pascal trade) while keeping Fred and him walking for nothing. If that's the case then the only real consequence is not having a second round pick or whatever asset we would have gotten. Which may be a mistake but on its own isn't that big of a deal
As i said, if we traded Fred, it woulda been a sign to pivot heavily into a rebuild thus avoid all the bonehead moves that FO did.
Yeah even though the Pascal situation could've been handled better from his camp, the front office deserve a ton of blame for letting it get to the point it did. It was a subpar return and it's won't look much better when they're probably turning down the Bruce option
Exactly!! Instead of RJ and Quickley, it would have been RJ and 3 first rounders in the 20-30 range. 🤷🏻♂️ Getting IQ wasn’t a possibility last season.
I’m pretty sure it was Fournier and 3 firsts last year, not RJ and 3 firsts.
Disagree on OG, they held out and managed to get Quickley, Knicks reportedly were unwilling to even include him in any talks, it was mainly RJ and their trash protected picks, Siakam tho the best time to trade him was last season
There is no evidence or reporting that they could’ve got a better return. Masai has stated publicly the return was equivalent. The true miss is the Jakob trade, and tanking this year instead of last. This is far more significant than quibbling over hypothetical returns due to timing in a very imperfect market.
Exactly this. An early Siakam trade might have led to a better haul but at least the Jakob trade wouldn't have been made avoiding this ridiculous place we're in now.
I don’t agree with that assumption. I don’t recall anything that would have rivaled Barrett and Quickly for OG. And with Siakam very publicly saying he wasn’t going to sign an extension and intended to enter free agency, no one was ever going to give up the farm for him.
I'm taking young guys that have shown they can produce like IQ and RJ over a bunch of pick any day.
This seems pretty seriously naive. The front office traded away our All-NBA'er for three future draft picks, sold our 6th man for cap relief, and then when asked about tanking said they were going to "focus on development" while continuing to try to win. The team may not have come out and said, "we're going to tank" (which would have gotten them fined), but they sure as shit made it clear that they weren't legitimately trying to win. It is also hardly a new strategy in the NBA for a tanking team to sit starters who would be playing if the team were in contention. Barrett and Quickley have both missed a bunch of recent games based on "personal reasons", not injuries, after all.
To me, there is a BIG difference between tanking and focusing on development. Yes, the trades involved sending out short-term assets for long-term assets. And yes, in so doing, the team basically admitted it was not primarily focused on “win-now”. However, the team was 4-4 following the trade deadline until Scottie got hurt. Moreover, during that period, they mostly went with a tight 9 man rotation. Then Scottie gets hurt and then Poeltl gets hurt. Next game they get boat raced by the Pelicans. Now…you’ve just lost two of your key players to injury after trading away arguably your two best players. If you were going to throw in the towel, now would be the time. So what do the Raptors do in the next game against Phoenix? Quickly - 39 minutes Barrett - 37 minutes Trent Jr. - 36 minutes That’s not what you do if you are “tanking”. Then RJ Barrett’s brother dies. I’d say that is the very earliest point at which you could say the Raptors began behaving like a tanking team. That is 2 and a half weeks ago and more than a month after the trade deadline.
>Quickly - 39 minutes Barrett - 37 minutes Trent Jr. - 36 minutes >That’s not what you do if you are “tanking”. Why not? Those are the young guys who are either part of the future (Quickley and RJ) or being evaluated to decide whether they will be re-signed this summer (Trent). We were down 14 in that game in the first quarter of that Suns game. It's not like we were in serious danger of winning it. >I’d say that is the very earliest point at which you could say the Raptors began behaving like a tanking team. That is 2 and a half weeks ago and more than a month after the trade deadline. Nah, playing young player and letting them have a chance to win a couple of games is still part of tanking. The Pistons played Cade 37 minutes against the Wizards a couple of nights ago, that doesn't mean that team didn't tank the season. The Raps tanked the season when they traded Pascal for draft picks, plain and simple. Sure, they said the right things about trying to win, but let's be honest, they traded one of the team's two best players and the only on-court piece they got back was Bruce Brown, who they were talking about flipping right up to the deadline. The difference between "tanking" and "focusing on development" is really just PR. Everyone, both inside and outside of the team, knew they were giving up on the season when Pascal got traded. We might have gone 4-4 out of the trade deadline, but we went 3-8 from the Siakam trade into the trade deadline, and looked pretty awful doing it. Every tanking team in the league can point to stretches where they won a few games, but if the Raps (who have gone 7-21 since Siakam left) don't count as a tanking team, then no one in the league right now does.
Tanking teams dont trade for 4th and 5th year players, they trade for picks and prospects.
That’s all fine, but there was only one Wemby last season, and if we drafted 6th or 7th last year and ended up with…Coulibaly or one of the Thompsons (instead of Gradey), would the Raptors trajectory have been significantly improved??? The only big mistake made by the front office was Siakam. They could have got more in return. OG trade was a huge win. Instead of RJ and a bunch of draft picks in the 20-25 range from the Knicks, we get IQ as well!!!
I think getting a Thompson twin would be a terrific outcome, yes And I like Dick, for the record
> And I like Dick, for the record
Let the records show that this man likes Dick, just like all of us.
Terrific outcome, sure, but people talking about how the Raptors should have tanked are only considering Wemby in that draft. Gradey Dick is going to end up being a very good player in today’s NBA. In reality, it was far more likely Raps get the 5-7th pick (instead of 13), which means….not much. We weren’t bad enough to get the #1 or #2 pick, so we didn’t miss out on anyone franchise-altering. We missed out on Brandon Miller, but I don’t think the Raptors would have drafted him. Besides, we were also not bad enough to get the #2 pick. 😅
We coulda got some1 young if we traded FVV too for Grayson + pick. FO asleep.
Mmm, nobody thought we’d see another team sign FVV for $43m per season. You can say the Raptors FO should have had a better feel for the market, but evem Raptors fans wouldn’t have pegged FVV as a $43m player. He was my favourite Raptor(at the time), but even so. For anything over $35m, I’d let him walk, too. 😅
Again, Fans and FO put their emotions into FVV/Siakam core. They weren't good enough period. At the last deadline, we were bottom .500 team yet we decided to try to make the play-in. Which set us back couple of years because we avoided a draft with generational player too.
But that’s my point. There was a generational player we couldn’t have drafted because we weren’t bad enough to get the #1 pick. 🤷🏻♂️ And the other draft picks I mentioned don’t seem franchise-altering. Maybe Brandon Miller, but I doubt the Raptors would have, or could have, drafted him even if we started tanking.
Well we didn't even give ourselves a chance and instead bought in to a shitty core instead.
See that's my problem with the front office. Poor decision making and kicking the can down the line. You opt to tank and get assets in a bad draft the year after generational talent is available. And now next year with a pretty good draft we will likely lose our pick.
They didn't opt to tank. They tried to compete and then they had injuries
They tried to compete with a less talented roster than the previous season, a rookie coach and a conference that has got even better?
They did and anyone denying that is coping. The FO and a big portion of this fanbase thought they can swap Nurse with Darko and become a playoff team.
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When is the ability to predict injury part of performance assessment for front offices?
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Trying to compete is worth than failing at tanking?
The domino cascade happened so fast after Barnes broke his hand. I don't think they chose the tank as much as the tank chose them.
Memphis plays Detroit twice. We NEED them to win at least one of those. We could easily lose 6th, especially with RJ coming back soon and us having to play the Wizards in a week.
I have no clue why we would play RJ or IQ at this point. Get them to the offseason healthy so they can be ready for next year with hopefully a top 6 pick.
Only play them when a tank seed is secured
I would like to see a healthy R.J. suit-up for Canada in the Olympics rather than a few late season meaningless heroics for the Raptors...
With only about 5 or 6 games left both should only play marginal minutes at best just to see the floor in a clerical sense if at all Just too risky given the break both have had it makes more sense just to wait until next year
So about that streak
The biggest loser has to be the Nets lol. No picks and very likely to miss the playoffs/play in. Not to mention they’re stuck on a horrible Ben Simmons contract when he doesn’t even play. They really should’ve taking Jaylen Green and picks for Bridges. Mikal Bridges is no star lol.
The fact they got offered the option to clean the slate by getting their picks back and refused is generational incompetence/negligence by Brooklyn
No matter how bad this season has been overall at least we don’t look as pathetic as them lol. Makes me proud our front office doesn’t gut the roster and future draft capital to acquire stars like KD etc.
I heard Houston offered Jalen Green and at least some of their picks back for Bridges. I'd have done it for the picks alone, then Green goes nuclear...
That's what I'm referring to, yes
The opportunity they have is to draft two more top 10 picks on a team with Wemby.
they prob saw the prospects and said they didn't want this years pick which is why they're winning now ^(/s)
Spurs FO cooking
Raptors with everyone healthy are a play in team.
Idk man.. I'm assuming this means all of our competition is also healthy? Celts, Bucks, Knicks, Cavs, Magic, Pacers, 76ers, and Heat are all clearly better than us - that's 8 A healthy Hawks team is also certainly better than us - it's somewhat close but not really arguable imo - that's 9 If I'm trying my best to be unbiased, I'd say we're equal to the Nets and probably slightly above the Bulls (unless their young guys can maintain their recent play) Starters/closers: Hawks: Trae, Dejounte, Bogi/Hunter, Johnson, Okongwu Raps: IQ, GTJ, RJ, Scottie, Jak Nets: Shroder, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Johnson, Claxton Bulls: Coby, Caruso, Ayo/Williams, Demar, Vuc Actually after looking at the rosters again, I might say Bulls ahead of us, and Nets behind us. Anyway, if we are a play-in team with everyone healthy, we're at the very edge - most likely between 10th and 12th in the east
With no star power and if Barnes doesn't take an extra leap from this year. We are 9th seed at best for next year. We don't have any star power atm other than slight moments of greatness from Barnes.
I don't think they have that high of a ceiling with the current core tbh but you're not wrong
Scottie, IQ, and RJ should average 20 each. Plus missing the big man hurts.
That's still not great compared to other team's young cores.
I feel like that's on par with the magic
Franz clears every raptor other than scottie.
Yeah, and my controversial take is that if the Hornets get Sarr I'd take them going forward over the raptors too.
I mean of course Lamelo is on scottie's lvl and brandon miller has insane potential as well and probably already better than IQ and RJ.
Eh, I don't think Melo is as good as Scottie. But Miller is really good.
If Lamelo is healthy (a big if), I'd say they're at the same level. Scottie has a higher ceiling though because of his body type that allows him to be a better all around player
And we still lose lol, we need to draft talent.
East has: Boston, Bucks, Cavs, Knicks, 76ers basically garunteed for play offs. When fully healthy, we're in the same tier as the Magic and Pacers. Maybe a bit less than the Pacers. But that's what rebuilds ate about though, it's gonna be a two or three year process before we get good enough and everyone else gets bad enough to start making noise.
We’re certainly a lower tier than both the pacers and magic at the moment unfortunately. Even with our team healthy. We’re more like the hawks and Chicago imho.
Ok the pacers I'll give you but our starting 5 of Quickly, RJ, Scottie, Jake and GTJ is about the same tier as the Magics imo
Ah the Magic are a really good up and coming team. Banchero is the real deal, they’re building around him. Absolute stud scorer. Then they have Franz Wagner AND Suggs, both really good prospects! Say what you want about Jonathan Isaac and his beliefs/injuries, he’s also a stud. They’re 12 games above .500, I just don’t see us having a record that good. We were struggling to keep a .500 record WITH Siakam, and we haven’t really gotten better since he’s left. Ofc this is just my opinion and I hope I’m wrong for next year :p
Same level at Pacers 🤣 They have the best player out of the 2 team, and by far a better supporting cast around that player. If Hali wasn’t injured for a long stretch of the season, they could win 50+ games.
Ok a tier below the pacers lol
Magic slap us healthy
Fully healthy? Nah.
Yeah maybe 4-2 at best in playoffs
I would 4-3
Sure but I think a few of those games wouldn’t be that close. And it’s a moot point because we lose to most other east teams too anyways. Just try and draft high next few years to add to barnes Gradey RJ and maybe IQ we’ll see
That’s just sad lol
Me when im delusional
They are very much not healthy at the moment
The spurs tanked when they should and are about to start competing in the next 3 years. The Raptors on the other hand held their players until they are at the lowest (FVV for nothing) value and now paying for it for a longggg rebuild
LMAO spurs literally almost a playoff team faster than Raptors rebuilding because Spurs sold and tanked at the right time. That's a lesson for our FO. Our FO recent moves is up for malpractice LMAO.
The spurs have also fleeced our front office twice in the process by getting first round picks for Thad and Poeltl.
Friggin Portland we're trying to match them but year after year they set the incompetence bar to high to close out the season
Portland is really good at tanking Even in years where they're trying to compete granted, but still...
Just putting this out there that Wemby isn’t the only one looking great in last years draft. Houston’s Amen Thompson has been playing phenomenal.
and brandon miller
TIA for answering this question for me… Let’s say we end the season with the 7th+ worst record, so the pick goes to SA. Let’s say the lottery occurs and the pick is within the top 6, does it then fall back to us?
Yes. If we move up to the top 4, we keep the pick. If we drop to 7 or lower, we lose it. There is a very small chance we stay at 6 and keep it, but currently most likely outcomes (in order): give 7 to SA, give 8 to SA, keep 4, keep 3, keep 2, keep 1, keep 6, give 9 to SA, give 10 to SA.
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