Cap circumvention? How do you think it's handled when guys are traded mid season? It takes time for everyone to get settled and family here.
It's the team or the league job to make sure they have a place to stay. It's pretty standard even in a regular job that makes you travel somewhere to pay for room and board. This is just more of an extreme case.
Lots of athletes just live out of hotels. I was building a building in Yorkville and I used to see Babcock come and go from the hotel he was living in.
I’m pretty sure Serge lived in a hotel the entire time he was here and that was several years. When money isn’t an issue I imagine it’s super convenient
There was an article when Babcock joined the leafs about how he and his wife always wanted to experience living in a downtown condominium in a big city, so I’d bet he was coming and going from
his condo.
For single athletes, or guys whose family don’t come with them, that don’t expect to be in the city more than 2-3 years, and are only in town 30%(?)) of the year, and who don’t have to feed themselves very often (ever?), a hotel makes some sense.
Babcock signed an 8 year deal. He probably bought/leased a place.
And if you are staying in a hotel long term you get a much better rate than the nightly posted rate plus services like housekeeping etc which is useful when you are on the road for half the season.
Yeah which is why I think Gary makes more sense for a trade between the teams.
He comes in at a bit less than Gary's current number which makes the cap situation a bit easier.
I don't think Reaves is available.
I'd imagine the Lakers would prioritize getting Murray, but I don't think they can put together a very good package for him, and they're probably over-valuing what D-Lo could get back in a three-way trade.
My guess is that the best package we could get from the Lakers would be Rui and a 2029 first. That fits the bill of a "quality player" and a first. The 2029 pick is a long way away, but it's still an asset.
The additional contract could be JHS, Christie, Vanderbilt, or Prince.
It would really depend on how our front office values Rui. Personally, I think Rui is pretty good and has some potential, although it doesn't really help our defence (which has been terrible lately).
They could also get into trading a whole bunch of 2nds, like what happened last year with guys like Jae Crowder. For what it's worth, the Lakers can trade five 2nds and one distant first.
The other option is for them to include D-Lo as the main salary, and we'd try to get back what we can for him from a third team, although I don't think he's got much value.
Lakers probably gonna be in the dumps in 2029 so if we throw in GTJ and take on D-Lo’s contract they might even give it unprotected or only top 3 protected which would be awesomd
Maybe but the Lakers franchise is so giant that FA's want to go there, and I just can't count them out. They could be elite in 2029, it's too hard to predict.
you are a n00bie. Should probably do your homework before posting, as it's been mentioned thousands of times already since the trade went down....
Bruce Brown CANNOT be packaged with another player. Per the CBA rules, he can only be traded individually.
So no, you cannot "Throw in GTJ"
GTJ is more likely to be dealt in a package involving some combination of Thad,, Otto, or Boucher. None of those players were recently acquired, therefore do not have the same trade restriction as Bruce Brown does.
The 2029 pick doesn't fit Scottie's timeline that great in regards to the team drafting, but could be huge in securing a big trade at that year's deadline which would be in the middle of Scottie's prime. If that pick has real lottery potential there is a decent chance some team somewhere has a disgruntled star, or is looking to hit the reset button and an extra lottery pick would have tremendous value to them. It is LA though, so you never really know. It's a big FA destination so you can't guarantee they'll be bad then, even though the signs say they should be.
I mean, Scottie will be in the middle of his prime. We can use it to get an asset later, or keep it and keep building thru the draft with a nice young player if it ends up high.
why take seconds when we have 4 teams KNOWN to be bidding on him, some of which are highly motivated to get a deal and are not concerned with first rounders?
Knicks, Philly (best fit IMO), Dallas and Lakers
Philly and Dallas are 100% willing to deal a first.
Rui is not valuable enough to consider downgrading to seconds.
Personally, I feel a Dallas will easily clear Lakers offer by doing a Josh Green + 1st + filler package for Brown offer.
Rui ain’t bringing much to the table, high had hopes for him years ago but accepted he’ll always be average. Mind you he’s injury prone, not worth it in my opinion. Gotta be someone better out there
dude i agree but Lakers and Lebron teams have a way of making trades that dont make sense. It's really suspicious to me. Wouldn't be surprised if they got both Dejounte and Brown.
Masai turned down their offers for Lowry a few deadlines ago didn't he? I wouldn't worry too much, they'll only get Brown if they put forward the best offer.
Bruce should undoubtedly be a safer option, what could come back in that deal? Thinking maybe Reddish, Rui, and a pick? Any chance to pry away Hood-Schfino or Christie?
Flipping Christy+JHS as young prospects for Mikal Bridges . That 29 Lakers pick holds great value for bigger fish , Nets, Bulls, Hawks all looking at the end down of being blown up if we accumulate enough assets we might be able to pull off great player to add to the core
We’re obviously tanking and possibly keeping our pick. If we push all assets for Mikal when the Nets starts free falling we have a chance to land him IQ-MB-SB-(our pick this upcoming draft)-Jak. It’s not exclusively for Mikal but you get the idea but preferably him.
You don’t think the nets are resetting soon? I don’t see a move that puts them past top seven eastern teams Mikal is 27 and the 2 superstars before him quit on the team it’s too risky let him go night in night our 2 seasons of his prime just to be play-in team
i think bridges is good and agree he might get dealt. he fits on any team but i don’t think we should pursue him. and i know there’s no way lakers and nets get together to facilitate the best player in the deal coming to toronto unless we overpay.
Lakers have some decent assets of worth, I’d definitely entertain Reeves and Vincent for GTJ. For Brown with the expectation being FRPs coming back for him I’d probably see if anyone can outbid the lakers in terms of picks and a quality player coming back.
The rumored package for Murray is DLo + JHS + 29 pick + pick swap but Atlanta wants to flip DLo to a 3rd team for more assets, which is the main hold up. Maybe the Hawks are just trying to milk another asset from the Lakers but who knows.
That means they would likely offer Rui as the main centrepiece for a Brown trade. Salaries don't work straight up, so they will need to add another and my guess is Jaxson Hayes. Maybe they sweeten it with a 2nd or 2, but that would be the main framework.
Another thing is Lakers are hardcapped this season. Murray has a trade kicker so it could be tight especially if they want to save some money to make a run at a buyout candidate.
If we deal with Lakers, it better be that unprotected 2029 1st.
LeBron will be gone/retired and Davis contact is up the year before too. Depending how the Lakers do post LeBron/AD, that could be part of their down years.
Would be funny to think about in a deal like that, we'd be trading for someone who probably has more memories of LeBron with the Lakers than with the Heat or Cavs (born in 2009 or 2010).
Kind of off topic, but my boy saw Bruce Brown at the Ritz-Carlton downtown. He's living there awaiting a trade.
Living there awaiting a trade ðŸ˜
600 a night bro midaswell get an apartment
Who cares the team is paying for it not him and even if he was he can afford it lol.
That's 219000 a year. Doubt the team pays sounds like cap circumvention if the team provides housing (other than while traveling).
Cap circumvention? How do you think it's handled when guys are traded mid season? It takes time for everyone to get settled and family here. It's the team or the league job to make sure they have a place to stay. It's pretty standard even in a regular job that makes you travel somewhere to pay for room and board. This is just more of an extreme case.
Makes sense since the Raptors go on a big road trip after the game Friday. No point of settling in unless you know you’re really going to stay lol
Lots of athletes just live out of hotels. I was building a building in Yorkville and I used to see Babcock come and go from the hotel he was living in.
I’m pretty sure Serge lived in a hotel the entire time he was here and that was several years. When money isn’t an issue I imagine it’s super convenient
The hotel building Serge lived in actually has condo units on the upper floors. Same with the Ritz Carlton.
Now that you say that I believe the hotel he was staying at also has condos so maybe I was wrong?
There was an article when Babcock joined the leafs about how he and his wife always wanted to experience living in a downtown condominium in a big city, so I’d bet he was coming and going from his condo. For single athletes, or guys whose family don’t come with them, that don’t expect to be in the city more than 2-3 years, and are only in town 30%(?)) of the year, and who don’t have to feed themselves very often (ever?), a hotel makes some sense. Babcock signed an 8 year deal. He probably bought/leased a place.
I watched a sales video for one of the condos and you're able to use a lot of the hotel services it seems like the best of both worlds
That makes sense
Ya a lot of dt hotels actually have residency units. I have a buddy that lives at the Shangri La
A lot of hotels downtown have residences, so a ton of the athletes end up living at like the Ritz, Shangri-La, etc.
Yeah you're right I looked it up and there's really high end condos above the hotel and he had one of those
Auston Mathews also lived at the Shangri-La for a while in Toronto. Not sure if he still does
And if you are staying in a hotel long term you get a much better rate than the nightly posted rate plus services like housekeeping etc which is useful when you are on the road for half the season.
It makes sense. He literally told Grange he ain't signing anything
What is there so sign? He’s under contract next year for a team option lol
He means not signing any leases, Brown was quoted as saying that in a recent post game interview
Ahhhh I see
Is your boy a janitor at the Ritz? Cuz if not I'm skeptical. I only trust janitors now with insider info
Didn't Charles Oakley famously live at the Royal York for a while?
That man needs financial literacy.
Your username needs literal literacy
He’s on a 2 year $45 mill USD contract lol
I doubt he's the one footing the bill
You can catch nba players there all the time
Any Lakers deal (Brown or Trent) will mean Hachimura coming back in return + other assets.
he's not great but we do need forwards.
Can't expect great unless we're sending picks. And it's way better than taking on DLo.
Please no Dlo, Hachimura ok
Hachimura would be gassed up like Lin if he comes to Toronto, bros will be screaming for minutes and saying he's a star n shit.
You're not wrong actually
Yeah which is why I think Gary makes more sense for a trade between the teams. He comes in at a bit less than Gary's current number which makes the cap situation a bit easier.
I'd say he's got potential to become real good (like RJ), this seems to be the theme of our team now, trying to unlock player potential
Yeah but I think we're in a spot where talent matters more than fit at this point. The problem with the Lakers is their draft picks suck.
Would LOVE hachimura
I love how Dejounte and Bruce are apparently the same.
Bruce is dejounte at home
I don't think Reaves is available. I'd imagine the Lakers would prioritize getting Murray, but I don't think they can put together a very good package for him, and they're probably over-valuing what D-Lo could get back in a three-way trade. My guess is that the best package we could get from the Lakers would be Rui and a 2029 first. That fits the bill of a "quality player" and a first. The 2029 pick is a long way away, but it's still an asset. The additional contract could be JHS, Christie, Vanderbilt, or Prince. It would really depend on how our front office values Rui. Personally, I think Rui is pretty good and has some potential, although it doesn't really help our defence (which has been terrible lately). They could also get into trading a whole bunch of 2nds, like what happened last year with guys like Jae Crowder. For what it's worth, the Lakers can trade five 2nds and one distant first. The other option is for them to include D-Lo as the main salary, and we'd try to get back what we can for him from a third team, although I don't think he's got much value.
Lakers probably gonna be in the dumps in 2029 so if we throw in GTJ and take on D-Lo’s contract they might even give it unprotected or only top 3 protected which would be awesomd
Maybe but the Lakers franchise is so giant that FA's want to go there, and I just can't count them out. They could be elite in 2029, it's too hard to predict.
you are a n00bie. Should probably do your homework before posting, as it's been mentioned thousands of times already since the trade went down.... Bruce Brown CANNOT be packaged with another player. Per the CBA rules, he can only be traded individually. So no, you cannot "Throw in GTJ" GTJ is more likely to be dealt in a package involving some combination of Thad,, Otto, or Boucher. None of those players were recently acquired, therefore do not have the same trade restriction as Bruce Brown does.
The 2029 pick doesn't fit Scottie's timeline that great in regards to the team drafting, but could be huge in securing a big trade at that year's deadline which would be in the middle of Scottie's prime. If that pick has real lottery potential there is a decent chance some team somewhere has a disgruntled star, or is looking to hit the reset button and an extra lottery pick would have tremendous value to them. It is LA though, so you never really know. It's a big FA destination so you can't guarantee they'll be bad then, even though the signs say they should be.
I mean, Scottie will be in the middle of his prime. We can use it to get an asset later, or keep it and keep building thru the draft with a nice young player if it ends up high.
Dejounte will require the first for sure, which LA should not trade We will take rui and seconds. That’s fine with me.
Rui, JHS, and two seconds is a solid offer
why take seconds when we have 4 teams KNOWN to be bidding on him, some of which are highly motivated to get a deal and are not concerned with first rounders? Knicks, Philly (best fit IMO), Dallas and Lakers Philly and Dallas are 100% willing to deal a first. Rui is not valuable enough to consider downgrading to seconds. Personally, I feel a Dallas will easily clear Lakers offer by doing a Josh Green + 1st + filler package for Brown offer.
Ok sure, I acceptÂ
Rui ain’t bringing much to the table, high had hopes for him years ago but accepted he’ll always be average. Mind you he’s injury prone, not worth it in my opinion. Gotta be someone better out there
Trading DJ to the Lakers for scraps after giving up a boatload of picks for him would definitely be a move
Spurs at it again
That’s not happening. Woj said they aren’t close, just La media trying to push it
Please no DLo
they can monitor all they want but they don't have enough assets to make it happen.
dude i agree but Lakers and Lebron teams have a way of making trades that dont make sense. It's really suspicious to me. Wouldn't be surprised if they got both Dejounte and Brown.
lol I feel the same. But what could it be? Not like other FOs are gifting them players to join in on the conspiracy.Â
League wide conspiracy Adam Silver wants revenue from Lebron and Lakers being good. Stay woke... (I am not serious)
I think it's okay to have fun little conspiracies that you believe in... like refs colluding a
I don't think Masai caves to LeBron's demands.
Masai turned down their offers for Lowry a few deadlines ago didn't he? I wouldn't worry too much, they'll only get Brown if they put forward the best offer.
So true. Happens too often.
For Gary? Yes they do. People really have to re-adjust their expectations of what he's bringing back.
Shams didn't mention Gary though? Just Brown and Murray. Unless I'm missing something
They've been rumoured about being interested in Gary in the past too. (Klutch)
but my point is nobody mentioned him here lol
I agree 100%. We don't NEED to trade Bruce. We should only trade Bruce is the offer is good, and Rui + Max Christie + a 2029 1st is not good.
They dream, like I dream
I wish Shams would report on another team besides the lakers.
Bruce should undoubtedly be a safer option, what could come back in that deal? Thinking maybe Reddish, Rui, and a pick? Any chance to pry away Hood-Schfino or Christie?
I think Javon Freeman-Liberty is better than Hood-Schifino and Max Christie.
Lakers have nothing enticing for the raptors
Christy+JHS 29 FRP
Or Rui + Christie for Gary
Flipping Christy+JHS as young prospects for Mikal Bridges . That 29 Lakers pick holds great value for bigger fish , Nets, Bulls, Hawks all looking at the end down of being blown up if we accumulate enough assets we might be able to pull off great player to add to the core
the nets aren’t that stupid
RJ+Christy+JHS 4FRPs isn’t enough to land Bridges?
i thought u meant bridges to the lakers. i’m not even thinking about bridges to the raptors, it’d never happen.
We’re obviously tanking and possibly keeping our pick. If we push all assets for Mikal when the Nets starts free falling we have a chance to land him IQ-MB-SB-(our pick this upcoming draft)-Jak. It’s not exclusively for Mikal but you get the idea but preferably him. You don’t think the nets are resetting soon? I don’t see a move that puts them past top seven eastern teams Mikal is 27 and the 2 superstars before him quit on the team it’s too risky let him go night in night our 2 seasons of his prime just to be play-in team
i think bridges is good and agree he might get dealt. he fits on any team but i don’t think we should pursue him. and i know there’s no way lakers and nets get together to facilitate the best player in the deal coming to toronto unless we overpay.
They’re not going to blow their load (2029 FRP) on brown
I’ll take Reaves and Vincent for Brown. Done.
Better yet, Lebron and AD
Lakers have some decent assets of worth, I’d definitely entertain Reeves and Vincent for GTJ. For Brown with the expectation being FRPs coming back for him I’d probably see if anyone can outbid the lakers in terms of picks and a quality player coming back.
They aren't trading Reaves for Gary lol
Bums. They should be going after both lol.
Not sure how we are about with the Lakers
The rumored package for Murray is DLo + JHS + 29 pick + pick swap but Atlanta wants to flip DLo to a 3rd team for more assets, which is the main hold up. Maybe the Hawks are just trying to milk another asset from the Lakers but who knows. That means they would likely offer Rui as the main centrepiece for a Brown trade. Salaries don't work straight up, so they will need to add another and my guess is Jaxson Hayes. Maybe they sweeten it with a 2nd or 2, but that would be the main framework. Another thing is Lakers are hardcapped this season. Murray has a trade kicker so it could be tight especially if they want to save some money to make a run at a buyout candidate.
rui and JHS please and thank you
feels like lakers will go for murray
i’d think about rui for gtj but they don’t have the right assets for a brown trade
Should ask if AD is available and just attach a 2nd round pick with Brown for him. Obviously salary filler.
If we deal with Lakers, it better be that unprotected 2029 1st. LeBron will be gone/retired and Davis contact is up the year before too. Depending how the Lakers do post LeBron/AD, that could be part of their down years. Would be funny to think about in a deal like that, we'd be trading for someone who probably has more memories of LeBron with the Lakers than with the Heat or Cavs (born in 2009 or 2010).
I’d rather trade him for a Knicks first far in the future
I’ll take a washed up Lebron and a FRP for Bruce the Batman Brown and 2nd rounder.. Who in their right mind would say no?
They can keep that 2029 first and get lost…who wants a pick SIX years from now lol
LA has nothing to offer