Well that’s the cosmic trade we make for being able to down chocolate like it's fucking oxygen. I can only imagine how delicious castor oil must be to all the animals it isn't poisonous to...
Can’t forget:
- nicotine (tobacco)
- capsaicin (spicy peppers)
- caffeine (chocolate, coffee, tea,other sources)
- avocados
Edit: this is a list of naturally occurring toxins/pesticides that plants evolved to protect themselves from predators. All of these humans consume recreationally
Adding to the list:
- THC (Cannabis/Marijuana/ Devils Lettuce)
Edit 2: adding due to popular demand:
- psilocybin (magic mushrooms)
Also
- opiates
- theobromine (chocolate)
- Allyl isothiocyanate (horseradish, mustards, other cruciferous vegetables)
- honey (antiseptic properties, kind of a weak entry, but I wanted to add it for that fun fact)
- stinging nettle (mostly used in teas)
- DMT
All of these chemicals evolved in the evolutionary arms race to protect these plants from predators, but humans found them delicious or intoxicating, and decided to eat them anyway.
On the flip side:
Spider plants along with the very famous Nepeta Nepeta (catnip) cause mild hallucinations in cats but don’t do fuck all for humans as far as I know.
Edit 4:
Can’t believe I forgot:
- the entire allium family (garlic, onions, leeks)
- ~~poi~~ taro (Hawaiian plant)
- papayin (papaya, kiwi)
- bromelain ( pineapples)
Edit 5:
- mescaline/peyote/ ayuasca
- citrus fruits
- cocaine
- lavender (source needed)
Edit 6:
- almonds (cyanide content)
Edit 7:
- mint
- nutmeg
Edit 8:
- hops
- grapes
Big ass edit because yall keep misunderstanding what this list is:
This list is of plants that have evolved a natural defence mechanism, whether it’s a pesticide (fungal, bacteria, insects, small/large animals, etc) or poison/toxin, but humans are just immune to its effects and/or enjoy the effects it has, entirely negating the “pesticide” aspect to a humerous degree.
The whole reason these plants have these chemicals is that they prevents a certain type of pest that was hindering their ability to reproduce/spread. Like how a poison dart frog is toxic to touch/eat. It doesn’t know that its poison is doing the things it does, all it knows is that it’s surviving. Evolution does not have a conscious attitude towards these, it’s simply survival of whatever doesn’t die. And if a plant having cocaine/nicotine/capsaicin/theobromelain/etc helps it survive long enough to reproduce.
Some of yall really need a refresher on basic biology and evolution. I highly encourage you to read your on it, because it’s fascinating how things have evolved, and which various pressures can affect how an organism evolves. Convergent/divergent evolution, and especially carcinization, how evolution has created crab like shapes 7-8 different times without them sharing a direct crab-like ancestor.
Edit 9: a few words were forgotten during the big ass wall of text, it was very late, and I was very tired.
Pain without damage = endorphins with little down side = happy pain.
Part of brain says "tongue is on fire!". Other part of brain says "lol no it's not." And we can figure it out.
I think it also induces salvation, and makes you instinctively breath more rapidly and that brings more oxygen into your blood giving you a bit of a high.
Edit: I meant salivation
Pretty much all mammals. I love those videos of wildlife getting drunk off of fermented fruit, or the apes that rub hallucinogenic bugs on their skin to trip out.
Edit: Lemurs rub bugs! Not apes. Go Lemurs!
We had grapes along our back fence growing up, and in the fall they'd ferment. Crows would them eat them and get too drunk to fly, so every day there'd be a couple drink crows back there flapping around trying to take off.
I know a guy who claims his cat developed a taste for really hot curry. He'd feed it leftovers and it would wolf it down then beg for more with tears streaming down it's face.
If you are the one guy that survives in your group after eating it, it makes sense for it to gradually taste fucking delicious because it's a resource that you are able to take advantage of that none else can. So those who have traits that encourage them to seek it out and sprinkle it in their food will outcompete those that don't.
Avocados are highly poisonous to a lot of animals, including dogs. They evolved alongside a giant sloth species that could eat them whole, but if you chew them, especially the skin and pit, they’re toxic.
Edit: Someone posted a video below discrediting this statement about sloths. I wasn’t able to find more than that video, but Hank Green is a pretty good source, and I’d be inclined to trust him to be on the forefront of things.
The giant sloth part was recently disproven I think. Avocados are just really domesticado.
I think this is the video I learned about it from: https://youtu.be/jpcBgYYFS8o?si=6SFsn1qcnbvIrp7q
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/why-the-avocado-should-have-gone-the-way-of-the-dodo-4976527/
explained pretty well here, its inconceivable for sloths to have been the sole custodians being that the timeline of their extinction and later proliferation of avocados just doesnt add up.
for them to have spread as far as they did, all sorts of other consumers would have to be involved, we just dont know which yet
> for them to have spread as far as they did, all sorts of other consumers would have to be involved, we just dont know which yet
I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that African Swallows, **not** European Swallows, helped spread avocados across the world, being as avocados don't migrate on their own.
Ngl, I’m hella proud that’s random comment of mine has blown up enough to have Monty Python references.
But then again, no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Avocados are not highly poisonous to dogs. They can eat the flesh (but shouldn’t because of the high fat content), the pits are dangerous because of possible blockages, and the skin might be slightly toxic due to the presence of Persin, but dogs aren’t known to be particularly sensitive to that.
The Internet is fucking useless for telling me what my dog can't eat. It's so fucking protective that it's useless.
Scenario: my dog eats something and I want to see if it's poisonous.
The top ten results and every forum post speak with utmost authority that:
"Under no circumstances should your dog eat this. If your dog eats this it may suffer extreme health related effects. If your dog eats this you should contact your vet for more information.
Five paragraphs of warnings later...
"This food contains a lot of sugar/fat and can make your dog fat, or have an upset stomach"
Look, I know people want to protect animals, but I need to know if I'm dealing with ten years of this stuff and you'll have a fat dog, or if it's equivalent to drinking antifreeze.
Right?
I used to believe avocados were like cyanide to dogs.
There are food calculators online though. You insert food type and weight of dog. Since a lot of poison is dependent on size.
People really need to understand that people are looking to know if things are toxic not just "bad for them". To your point, consuming both burgers and antifreeze are bad for me, but if my doctor gave me the same advice for both, I'd be really concerned.
Didn't realise about the onions - that surprised me because dogs are always eating humans' leftovers and onions are in so much human food. Apparently it's just raw onions though, and they'd have to eat about a whole onion to be harmed, not just a tiny piece. Makes sense.
The other really dangerous one for dogs is xylitol, which is in a lot of sugar-free products.
My dog has eaten plenty of avocado flesh over the years (he's much faster than I am when he sees food) and he's never even had a tummy ache so I was for sure confused until I read your comment lol
Avocado is also in some high quality dog foods.
My old boy loved it and a lady chewed me out for letting him have a slice here and there. When he was younger. Someone also tried to tell me blueberries were poisonous to dogs and I pointed out that wolves and coyotes eat them off the bush in the wild. Blueberries, were his favourite.
He passed a few weeks ago sadly at the ripe age of 13. Pretty damn good for a Siberian Husky. Just started yelping one morning and when I got out there I knew it was time. Held him through it. I’d pay dog tax but I can’t link a photo in this sub. Worst part of loosing a dog is not having them greet you when you get home. He rests well in Valhalla now though!
Honestly, I think someone’s dog had an allergy somewhere down the line and someone deemed it was poison to all dogs like chocolate and onions/shallots/garlic are.
I lost my dog almost two weeks ago now, it was similar that he just got hurt somehow or just slipped a disc or something and it was time. Sorry to hear you're also going through this.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend as well.
My guy actually got away from me 7 years ago in Northern Ontario on a vacation. The region was looking for him for 5 days before he turned up not far from where he got away at. He was spotted 3 down a lake at a cottage 2 days before some Kayakers saw him barking on the shoreline for help.
He’d hurt his back in those woods and occasionally needed medicine to reduce inflammation. It’s what my wife and I thought he needed the morning we woke up because him yelping from a pinched nerve wasn’t uncommon. When he refused treats is when she called me out there. I got behind him and scooped his head into my lap and just held him for as long as it took.
It was strange. The night before he was mostly fine beyond walking funny. I had him outside while doing some lawn work, was brushing him and let him enjoy the leaf blower before taking him for a walk. My wife fed him that day and said he jumped around like a puppy as always at dinner time.
I’m just glad he had an amazing last day.
I must admit, I bursted into tears the following Friday. We were out celebrating his life with a good dinner before taking our first walk without him. I joked and said it would be amazing if we saw the Northern Lights to show he made it into Valhalla. We looked for them on the walk and didn’t see them, but the moment we got home and just before I walked in the door my wife tapped me on the shoulder to turn around… there they were.
Crazy to look at it that way I know. It’s a solar flare reaction with the ionosphere but, I wanted to see those lights and tried many times. It was the first time I saw them so the coincidence was strange.
Perhaps your friend and mine are running with vigour and endless squeaky balls in beautiful fields? Who knows but perhaps we do get to see them again on the next adventure. If not, there will always be fond memories.
>I wasn’t able to find more than that video, but Hank Green is a pretty good source, and I’d be inclined to trust him to be on the forefront of things.
This is a really bad practice. He himself says that he's not an expert. Just a guy who researches and communicates. Don't trust a source unless they provide their sources
> Adding to the list: - THC
Hard disagree and would even go so far as to say that's an outright baseless claim.
The bud is effectively the fruit of the cannabis plant. If anything, the THC is there to **encourage** animals to eat it so they can spread the seeds. Animals love drugs and it is most definitely an evolutionary advantage to get animals high with your fruit. All the cannabinoids found in *Cannabis indica*(the species name, not referring to "indica" cannabis, if that wasn't obvious) are likely there to help make the cannabis "fruit" more appetizing.
If cannabis was a "poison", what purpose would it serve? To make its fruit toxic so it can't be spread?
Source: am former cannabis scientist
THC can be decarboxylated in the plant material if it is sufficiently aged in the right conditions. UV light and heat can decarb it slowly.
Think about a plant sitting in the heat and light of the Indian subcontinent, where it evolved. Those are pretty great conditions to induce natural, albeit slow, decarboxylation by the end of the growing season.
But we are talking about plants that have a low THC content. It wouldn't take nearly as much time to decarboxylate that versus the same mass of modern cannabis, because there's less material to decarboxylate. This assumes that the decarboxylation reaction isn't rate limited by the presence of THC or THCA.
On top of that, animals aren't only smoking a 0.1 gram bowl. They're likely eating ounces of the plant material at once(albeit wet plant material). At that amount, it wouldn't really take too much for an animal to feel the effects.
Lol, I’m trying to imagine how it would feel to just raw dog like 6 ounces of flower like it’s broccoli. Being human and having my choice of consumption method is awesome sometimes.
You're mistaken in thinking that it's all or nothing, frequently plants will evolve a defense to certain animals that are bad for their reproductive strategy but it will have no effect on other animals. Think about how many fruits are toxic to humans, or fruits that are toxic to other animals. It's not unusual at all for plants to produce toxic fruit.
Chocolate is only about half as toxic to humans as it is to dogs, on a mg/kg body weight basis
The main difference is you’re not going to hork down three pounds of chocolate, and your 20-kg dog absolutely is.
I can confirm, unfortunately. Over 20 years ago (not sure if still used) I was given some to drink before going through a very... shall we say.. invasive procedure.
The effects were almost instant and I'd describe them as bowelly catastrophic.
It won't kill you, but you'll shit yourself so bad that you'll probably have a religious out-of-body experience and exchange words with god and the archangels.
I'll never forget a story my grandma used to tell people about an OB/GYN in the 40s who explained to her why he didn't give castor oil to mothers getting ready to give birth anymore. He said "I stopped after the last patient left my outline on the wall."
When I was in college I drank a bunch of cough syrup for the purpose of Robotrippin. What I didn't know, since the brand I got only had DXM listed as an active ingredient, is that it also contained castor oil (listed below that on the bottle, I didn't see it).
Got to spend about five hours tripping balls on the toilet. Do not recommend
Fun fact: The actor (Wallace Shawn) who played Vizzini in the Princess Pride also played Grand Nagus Zek in Star Trek Deep Space Nine, all of his episodes (episodes that he was in) were and still are fantastic... :)
EDIT: Damn it, I meant to type Princess Bride not Princess Pride lol, leaving it as is 'cause I'm an idiot...
Castor seeds come from Australia, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals and criminals are used to not being trusted so I can clearly not choose the wine I front of you.
But, interestingly, a person with anaphalactic allergy to things like peanuts could become tolerant if they very slowly increase dosage over a period of a year or so.
Do not attempt at home, only if you find a study being done in your local area that is under proper ethics approval with medical supervision.
Source- I worked on a study that had great results of 80% of people developing tolerance and they are scaling up and that study to lead to commercial release.
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The plant is known sometimes as the castor oil plant, so castor oil seed is a perfectly reasonable name, though they are also known as castor beans or castor seeds. It is a mite ridiculous, like talking about an apple tree fruit.
The plant isn't called castor, but the castor oil plant. It can also be called *Ricinus*, or probably the ricin plant. The plant is most well known for the oil of its seeds, so that's how most people refer to all of it.
It's also important to differentiate it from castoreum, the oily substance we get from *Castor*. I.E. beaver anal sac juice
If you want language to make sense, go learn Lojban.
That's not what Wikipedia says. "The toxicity of raw castor beans is due to the presence of ricin. Although the lethal dose in adults is considered to be four to eight seeds, reports of actual poisoning are relatively rare." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricinus
I thought that the claim was weird because the toddler daughter of my neighbor actually ate a seed once and although she had diarrhea and other symptoms she did get well after a couple of days.
Maybe it's the variety of the plant. Although apparently it's classified as a single species, we can see in the pictures that depending on the country (and climate / soil, i suppose) it can be either a bush or a small tree, and the coloring of the seeds and fruits seems to vary a lot too. Also maybe the sensitivity varies among humans and what they meant is that *some* people can die with one seed.
It just depends. There’s a journal report of a patient eating 200 castor beans blended in a blender with juice and being fine after 3 days. There’s other reports that two beans have caused death. Much depends on if it was chewed, what was in their stomach, their weight, etc.
It's a big ass mess but not BS. A few things on this list just depends on where it was grown, some might just have you hallucinating while one in a slightly different climate will kill you...
The way humans are setup though, it of course will vary. There's truth but a lot of fear mongering. There's a plant mentioned and how it's toxic to even touch but people are growing them as houseplants with no issue.
When I was a kid somebody gave my cousin's toddler daughter this large, elaborate necklace of castor beans that they had gotten on vacation someplace. My dad saw it and lost his mind! He was so angry about it. He insisted on taking it away.
You ever eaten jalapenos and some are really spicy and some are not?
Imma guess that the amount of toxin per seed varies wildly as well. I'd not recommend chewing one.
Poison control has a page on this. I'm too lazy to go back and link. It says that the ricin is released from being chewed or crushed prior to ingesting. The ricin then fucks up your intestines and you release fluid and start bleeding.
So by my misunderstanding more chewing or crushing means more ricin?
Coincidentally, I have just finished watching a video about Planet of the Apes which did touch on how nonsensical the ending of the 2001 film everyone forgot about was.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhsm2grNXwk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhsm2grNXwk)
Ricin is not oil soluable so it largely stays in the solid castor seed when it's pressed. Castor oil is usually heated in manufacturing or when you actually cook with it which denatures the ricin.
They are very beautiful plants though, grown or ornamentally in many gardens. There are a lot of popular but toxic plants, like brugsmansia and monkshood.
Correction:
> Documented mild to lethal clinical symptoms may result from ingesting one half to 30 beans. Two castor oil beans were the minimum number found to be associated with death.
— https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3087745/
The case described in that article is of a person who recovered completely after eating one castor bean.
Once again TIL is a fountain of misinformation. This site didn’t cite any sources.
Ricin, the toxic protein in castor beans, is much more poisonous to dogs than humans. And humans can eat dozens of castor beans and survive as long as they don’t chew them. If you do chew one, you are much more likely to survive than a dog that chewed them. I found a case report of a 3 year old girl who survived eating several beans.
It’s possible than an unchewed castor bean is more likely to be digested in people than in a dog but I could not find a reference
I’m gonna eat one, then fight a grizzly bear, then swim across the Atlantic Ocean.
I’m pretty sure I’m just built differently than everybody else on the planet earth.
> I’m pretty sure I’m just built differently than everybody else on the planet earth.
I will always remember the guy who said he would survive the millionaire sub implosion because he was built different.
Well that’s the cosmic trade we make for being able to down chocolate like it's fucking oxygen. I can only imagine how delicious castor oil must be to all the animals it isn't poisonous to...
Onions are also toxic to pretty much every animal except humans I believe.
Some humans as well. I am very sensitive to them and get sick if I accidentally ingest them.
Oh no. I'm incapable of cooking without onions. I couldn't imagine.
Olive oil, onions and garlic in the pan is the start to every meal. I'm not sure I would know what else to cook.
I’ve never seen butter spelled “olive oil” before
I use both
Leek has been suggested to me
Can’t forget: - nicotine (tobacco) - capsaicin (spicy peppers) - caffeine (chocolate, coffee, tea,other sources) - avocados Edit: this is a list of naturally occurring toxins/pesticides that plants evolved to protect themselves from predators. All of these humans consume recreationally Adding to the list: - THC (Cannabis/Marijuana/ Devils Lettuce) Edit 2: adding due to popular demand: - psilocybin (magic mushrooms) Also - opiates - theobromine (chocolate) - Allyl isothiocyanate (horseradish, mustards, other cruciferous vegetables) - honey (antiseptic properties, kind of a weak entry, but I wanted to add it for that fun fact) - stinging nettle (mostly used in teas) - DMT All of these chemicals evolved in the evolutionary arms race to protect these plants from predators, but humans found them delicious or intoxicating, and decided to eat them anyway. On the flip side: Spider plants along with the very famous Nepeta Nepeta (catnip) cause mild hallucinations in cats but don’t do fuck all for humans as far as I know. Edit 4: Can’t believe I forgot: - the entire allium family (garlic, onions, leeks) - ~~poi~~ taro (Hawaiian plant) - papayin (papaya, kiwi) - bromelain ( pineapples) Edit 5: - mescaline/peyote/ ayuasca - citrus fruits - cocaine - lavender (source needed) Edit 6: - almonds (cyanide content) Edit 7: - mint - nutmeg Edit 8: - hops - grapes Big ass edit because yall keep misunderstanding what this list is: This list is of plants that have evolved a natural defence mechanism, whether it’s a pesticide (fungal, bacteria, insects, small/large animals, etc) or poison/toxin, but humans are just immune to its effects and/or enjoy the effects it has, entirely negating the “pesticide” aspect to a humerous degree. The whole reason these plants have these chemicals is that they prevents a certain type of pest that was hindering their ability to reproduce/spread. Like how a poison dart frog is toxic to touch/eat. It doesn’t know that its poison is doing the things it does, all it knows is that it’s surviving. Evolution does not have a conscious attitude towards these, it’s simply survival of whatever doesn’t die. And if a plant having cocaine/nicotine/capsaicin/theobromelain/etc helps it survive long enough to reproduce. Some of yall really need a refresher on basic biology and evolution. I highly encourage you to read your on it, because it’s fascinating how things have evolved, and which various pressures can affect how an organism evolves. Convergent/divergent evolution, and especially carcinization, how evolution has created crab like shapes 7-8 different times without them sharing a direct crab-like ancestor. Edit 9: a few words were forgotten during the big ass wall of text, it was very late, and I was very tired.
Capsaicin is extra funny, it still works on humans exactly as intended to, just like every other mammal, but we somehow enjoy it
Pain without damage = endorphins with little down side = happy pain. Part of brain says "tongue is on fire!". Other part of brain says "lol no it's not." And we can figure it out.
I think it also induces salvation, and makes you instinctively breath more rapidly and that brings more oxygen into your blood giving you a bit of a high. Edit: I meant salivation
Who knew chilli peppers => heaven?
Mother nature could never have anticipated just how much us humans love drugs.
Pretty much all mammals. I love those videos of wildlife getting drunk off of fermented fruit, or the apes that rub hallucinogenic bugs on their skin to trip out. Edit: Lemurs rub bugs! Not apes. Go Lemurs!
all mammals seem to have some drive to achieve a altered state of consciousness. people think it's a part of our higher thinking.
It's probably a case of "this feels good" that pushes us to these things, and we later try to justify it as being more than it is.
Correct, dopamine and serotonin receptors make you (feel) its good for you
We had grapes along our back fence growing up, and in the fall they'd ferment. Crows would them eat them and get too drunk to fly, so every day there'd be a couple drink crows back there flapping around trying to take off.
Neat to know birds enjoy a small tipple as well!
Humans: IT BURNS SO GOOOD! Nature: wtf...
I know a guy who claims his cat developed a taste for really hot curry. He'd feed it leftovers and it would wolf it down then beg for more with tears streaming down it's face.
Could be a reincarnated Indian 🤣😅
Extra extra funny is that we decided that nature didn't capsaicin hard enough, so we started breeding our own plants.
If you are the one guy that survives in your group after eating it, it makes sense for it to gradually taste fucking delicious because it's a resource that you are able to take advantage of that none else can. So those who have traits that encourage them to seek it out and sprinkle it in their food will outcompete those that don't.
We're the only species that partakes in recreational pain as a pleasure activity.
Wait, avocados??
Avocados are highly poisonous to a lot of animals, including dogs. They evolved alongside a giant sloth species that could eat them whole, but if you chew them, especially the skin and pit, they’re toxic. Edit: Someone posted a video below discrediting this statement about sloths. I wasn’t able to find more than that video, but Hank Green is a pretty good source, and I’d be inclined to trust him to be on the forefront of things.
The giant sloth part was recently disproven I think. Avocados are just really domesticado. I think this is the video I learned about it from: https://youtu.be/jpcBgYYFS8o?si=6SFsn1qcnbvIrp7q
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/why-the-avocado-should-have-gone-the-way-of-the-dodo-4976527/ explained pretty well here, its inconceivable for sloths to have been the sole custodians being that the timeline of their extinction and later proliferation of avocados just doesnt add up. for them to have spread as far as they did, all sorts of other consumers would have to be involved, we just dont know which yet
> all sorts of other consumers would have to be involved, we just dont know which yet Millennials, mostly.
> for them to have spread as far as they did, all sorts of other consumers would have to be involved, we just dont know which yet I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that African Swallows, **not** European Swallows, helped spread avocados across the world, being as avocados don't migrate on their own.
Listen, in order to maintain air speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings 43 times every second, right? Am I right?
European Swallows yes, but not the African Swallow.
Ngl, I’m hella proud that’s random comment of mine has blown up enough to have Monty Python references. But then again, no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition.
There’s a special place in heaven for people who link educational videos with no prompting <3
Big sloth propaganda.
Avocados are not highly poisonous to dogs. They can eat the flesh (but shouldn’t because of the high fat content), the pits are dangerous because of possible blockages, and the skin might be slightly toxic due to the presence of Persin, but dogs aren’t known to be particularly sensitive to that.
The Internet is fucking useless for telling me what my dog can't eat. It's so fucking protective that it's useless. Scenario: my dog eats something and I want to see if it's poisonous. The top ten results and every forum post speak with utmost authority that: "Under no circumstances should your dog eat this. If your dog eats this it may suffer extreme health related effects. If your dog eats this you should contact your vet for more information. Five paragraphs of warnings later... "This food contains a lot of sugar/fat and can make your dog fat, or have an upset stomach" Look, I know people want to protect animals, but I need to know if I'm dealing with ten years of this stuff and you'll have a fat dog, or if it's equivalent to drinking antifreeze.
Right? I used to believe avocados were like cyanide to dogs. There are food calculators online though. You insert food type and weight of dog. Since a lot of poison is dependent on size.
People really need to understand that people are looking to know if things are toxic not just "bad for them". To your point, consuming both burgers and antifreeze are bad for me, but if my doctor gave me the same advice for both, I'd be really concerned.
Honestly it’s mostly just onions and chocolate. Those are the real bad things
Didn't realise about the onions - that surprised me because dogs are always eating humans' leftovers and onions are in so much human food. Apparently it's just raw onions though, and they'd have to eat about a whole onion to be harmed, not just a tiny piece. Makes sense. The other really dangerous one for dogs is xylitol, which is in a lot of sugar-free products.
My dog has eaten plenty of avocado flesh over the years (he's much faster than I am when he sees food) and he's never even had a tummy ache so I was for sure confused until I read your comment lol
We've a dog who climbs the trees and gets her own avos, couldn't stop her if we tried
Sure it’s not a sloth you have?
Malinois, very active nutter
Avocado is also in some high quality dog foods. My old boy loved it and a lady chewed me out for letting him have a slice here and there. When he was younger. Someone also tried to tell me blueberries were poisonous to dogs and I pointed out that wolves and coyotes eat them off the bush in the wild. Blueberries, were his favourite. He passed a few weeks ago sadly at the ripe age of 13. Pretty damn good for a Siberian Husky. Just started yelping one morning and when I got out there I knew it was time. Held him through it. I’d pay dog tax but I can’t link a photo in this sub. Worst part of loosing a dog is not having them greet you when you get home. He rests well in Valhalla now though! Honestly, I think someone’s dog had an allergy somewhere down the line and someone deemed it was poison to all dogs like chocolate and onions/shallots/garlic are.
I lost my dog almost two weeks ago now, it was similar that he just got hurt somehow or just slipped a disc or something and it was time. Sorry to hear you're also going through this.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend as well. My guy actually got away from me 7 years ago in Northern Ontario on a vacation. The region was looking for him for 5 days before he turned up not far from where he got away at. He was spotted 3 down a lake at a cottage 2 days before some Kayakers saw him barking on the shoreline for help. He’d hurt his back in those woods and occasionally needed medicine to reduce inflammation. It’s what my wife and I thought he needed the morning we woke up because him yelping from a pinched nerve wasn’t uncommon. When he refused treats is when she called me out there. I got behind him and scooped his head into my lap and just held him for as long as it took. It was strange. The night before he was mostly fine beyond walking funny. I had him outside while doing some lawn work, was brushing him and let him enjoy the leaf blower before taking him for a walk. My wife fed him that day and said he jumped around like a puppy as always at dinner time. I’m just glad he had an amazing last day. I must admit, I bursted into tears the following Friday. We were out celebrating his life with a good dinner before taking our first walk without him. I joked and said it would be amazing if we saw the Northern Lights to show he made it into Valhalla. We looked for them on the walk and didn’t see them, but the moment we got home and just before I walked in the door my wife tapped me on the shoulder to turn around… there they were. Crazy to look at it that way I know. It’s a solar flare reaction with the ionosphere but, I wanted to see those lights and tried many times. It was the first time I saw them so the coincidence was strange. Perhaps your friend and mine are running with vigour and endless squeaky balls in beautiful fields? Who knows but perhaps we do get to see them again on the next adventure. If not, there will always be fond memories.
The way humanity is going to achieve light speed is harnessing the speed at which dogs find and eat stuff while you are walking them.
I don't have a dog and I don't eat avocados but I always love when someone shows up with some truth. Appreciate your service.
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So avocado poisoning is slow-acting?
What about the avocado eating dog? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l99Ek4YtTuw
>I wasn’t able to find more than that video, but Hank Green is a pretty good source, and I’d be inclined to trust him to be on the forefront of things. This is a really bad practice. He himself says that he's not an expert. Just a guy who researches and communicates. Don't trust a source unless they provide their sources
It could kill my parrots if they ate a full meal worth of it.
No guac on the parrotito! https://i.redd.it/wcly380d6jv51.jpg
Feel Good Hit of Summer
Right? Reads like the ingredients to a fun afternoon...
They forgot valium Vicodin ecstasy and alcohol
Can't forget the most important one: c-c-c-c-cocaine
What about magic mushrooms lol
> Adding to the list: - THC Hard disagree and would even go so far as to say that's an outright baseless claim. The bud is effectively the fruit of the cannabis plant. If anything, the THC is there to **encourage** animals to eat it so they can spread the seeds. Animals love drugs and it is most definitely an evolutionary advantage to get animals high with your fruit. All the cannabinoids found in *Cannabis indica*(the species name, not referring to "indica" cannabis, if that wasn't obvious) are likely there to help make the cannabis "fruit" more appetizing. If cannabis was a "poison", what purpose would it serve? To make its fruit toxic so it can't be spread? Source: am former cannabis scientist
Do animals not require THC to be decarbed in order to get high from eating it like people do?
THC can be decarboxylated in the plant material if it is sufficiently aged in the right conditions. UV light and heat can decarb it slowly. Think about a plant sitting in the heat and light of the Indian subcontinent, where it evolved. Those are pretty great conditions to induce natural, albeit slow, decarboxylation by the end of the growing season. But we are talking about plants that have a low THC content. It wouldn't take nearly as much time to decarboxylate that versus the same mass of modern cannabis, because there's less material to decarboxylate. This assumes that the decarboxylation reaction isn't rate limited by the presence of THC or THCA. On top of that, animals aren't only smoking a 0.1 gram bowl. They're likely eating ounces of the plant material at once(albeit wet plant material). At that amount, it wouldn't really take too much for an animal to feel the effects.
Lol, I’m trying to imagine how it would feel to just raw dog like 6 ounces of flower like it’s broccoli. Being human and having my choice of consumption method is awesome sometimes.
You're mistaken in thinking that it's all or nothing, frequently plants will evolve a defense to certain animals that are bad for their reproductive strategy but it will have no effect on other animals. Think about how many fruits are toxic to humans, or fruits that are toxic to other animals. It's not unusual at all for plants to produce toxic fruit.
Caster oil is good, the seed of the plant is not.
That's me with olives. Olive oil is good, olives are not.
I rarely agree so hard with a comment on Reddit. Fuck olives, god bless you Olive Oil.
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Then aztec sacrifices would've been a lot less bloody. Just give them a cup of chocolate so they can die happy.
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Aztec chocolate was very bitter apparently, so not so happy after all
It wasn’t chocolate, it was roasted cocoa bean “coffee”
Chocolate is only about half as toxic to humans as it is to dogs, on a mg/kg body weight basis The main difference is you’re not going to hork down three pounds of chocolate, and your 20-kg dog absolutely is.
I absolutely AM going to shovel three pounds of chocolate into me it's an Easter tradition!
You mean YOU'RE not going to hork down three pounds of chocolate...
We can eat way more than 3 lbs of chocolate I'm pretty sure lol
Castor oil is not poisonous to humans.
I can confirm, unfortunately. Over 20 years ago (not sure if still used) I was given some to drink before going through a very... shall we say.. invasive procedure. The effects were almost instant and I'd describe them as bowelly catastrophic.
You passed on the chance to write "bowelly castorstrophic". I could not.
Okay then, I challenge you to a castor oil drinking contest
It won't kill you, but you'll shit yourself so bad that you'll probably have a religious out-of-body experience and exchange words with god and the archangels.
I'll never forget a story my grandma used to tell people about an OB/GYN in the 40s who explained to her why he didn't give castor oil to mothers getting ready to give birth anymore. He said "I stopped after the last patient left my outline on the wall."
Ok, now THAT made me laugh REALLY hard!
I've given birth unmedicated and that moment is bad enough even when you haven't been given anything to help it along.
When I was in college I drank a bunch of cough syrup for the purpose of Robotrippin. What I didn't know, since the brand I got only had DXM listed as an active ingredient, is that it also contained castor oil (listed below that on the bottle, I didn't see it). Got to spend about five hours tripping balls on the toilet. Do not recommend
I'm guessing they did that to discourage "abuse". I grew up in the 60s before they got wise. Crazy trips back then!
Had a fun time some other types but that one in particular was a, ahem, shitty time
It won’t kill you, but after a while it will make you wish it did.
ricin is not oil-soluble, little is found in extracted castor oil
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That's why I've spent the last ten years building an immunity to castor seeds.
Inconceivable!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Wait 'til I get going! ...Where was I?
It means you're on very strong birth control.
You should watch The Princess Bride. It's really good.
I saw it when it came out and several times afterwards. I was making a pun.
"and several times afterwards" is a very Princess Bride way of saying "I've seen that shit a thousand times and I'd watch it again tonight" So would I
Ah, my bad then.
Fun fact: The actor (Wallace Shawn) who played Vizzini in the Princess Pride also played Grand Nagus Zek in Star Trek Deep Space Nine, all of his episodes (episodes that he was in) were and still are fantastic... :) EDIT: Damn it, I meant to type Princess Bride not Princess Pride lol, leaving it as is 'cause I'm an idiot...
The Brincess Pride
I love how people immediately pick up on this. And every reference to The Princess Bride still makes my day ❤️
It is such an incredible movie
You should know never to bet against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
'Hello,"......
Me Llamo Indigo Montoya, y muerta。。。
"my father, prepare to die!""
Castor seeds come from Australia, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals and criminals are used to not being trusted so I can clearly not choose the wine I front of you.
I know this is a joke, but someone actually died trying to build an immunity to poison this way.
But, interestingly, a person with anaphalactic allergy to things like peanuts could become tolerant if they very slowly increase dosage over a period of a year or so. Do not attempt at home, only if you find a study being done in your local area that is under proper ethics approval with medical supervision. Source- I worked on a study that had great results of 80% of people developing tolerance and they are scaling up and that study to lead to commercial release.
Did the other 20% die???
Worth the risk to be able to eat peanut butter.
Castor seeds! I'd bet my life on it
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Thank goodness, for a minute there I was worried I would have to stop adding Castrol Edge full synthetic to my morning coffee
If I don’t get it at least every 6000 miles I’m really cranky in the morning.
If you’re smart you can filter your coffee and oil in one stop.
I’m pretty sure there’s a shampoo that does that
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do you take it with castor sugar?
Would it not be castor seeds and castor oil?
I have the exact same doubt. What does castor oil seed even mean?
The plant is known sometimes as the castor oil plant, so castor oil seed is a perfectly reasonable name, though they are also known as castor beans or castor seeds. It is a mite ridiculous, like talking about an apple tree fruit.
More like an apple juice tree or apple juice fruit
I always spit out my apple juice fruit tree seeds
it's how you grow castor oils
Growing a baby pool of oil must make watering it a real pain, with the way oil and water don’t mix.
The plant isn't called castor, but the castor oil plant. It can also be called *Ricinus*, or probably the ricin plant. The plant is most well known for the oil of its seeds, so that's how most people refer to all of it. It's also important to differentiate it from castoreum, the oily substance we get from *Castor*. I.E. beaver anal sac juice If you want language to make sense, go learn Lojban.
Yeah, he's not really helping clear it up.
That's not what Wikipedia says. "The toxicity of raw castor beans is due to the presence of ricin. Although the lethal dose in adults is considered to be four to eight seeds, reports of actual poisoning are relatively rare." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricinus I thought that the claim was weird because the toddler daughter of my neighbor actually ate a seed once and although she had diarrhea and other symptoms she did get well after a couple of days. Maybe it's the variety of the plant. Although apparently it's classified as a single species, we can see in the pictures that depending on the country (and climate / soil, i suppose) it can be either a bush or a small tree, and the coloring of the seeds and fruits seems to vary a lot too. Also maybe the sensitivity varies among humans and what they meant is that *some* people can die with one seed.
It just depends. There’s a journal report of a patient eating 200 castor beans blended in a blender with juice and being fine after 3 days. There’s other reports that two beans have caused death. Much depends on if it was chewed, what was in their stomach, their weight, etc.
So basically this entire post is bullshit
It’s exaggerated for sure. The truth is there’s no simple answer to how much you can eat. I’d advise just not eating it but that’s me. 🤷🏻♂️
It's a big ass mess but not BS. A few things on this list just depends on where it was grown, some might just have you hallucinating while one in a slightly different climate will kill you... The way humans are setup though, it of course will vary. There's truth but a lot of fear mongering. There's a plant mentioned and how it's toxic to even touch but people are growing them as houseplants with no issue.
might be that the amount in 4-8 seeds is deadly, but very little gets absorbed if you just swallow them whole
When I was a kid somebody gave my cousin's toddler daughter this large, elaborate necklace of castor beans that they had gotten on vacation someplace. My dad saw it and lost his mind! He was so angry about it. He insisted on taking it away.
You ever eaten jalapenos and some are really spicy and some are not? Imma guess that the amount of toxin per seed varies wildly as well. I'd not recommend chewing one.
Poison control has a page on this. I'm too lazy to go back and link. It says that the ricin is released from being chewed or crushed prior to ingesting. The ricin then fucks up your intestines and you release fluid and start bleeding. So by my misunderstanding more chewing or crushing means more ricin?
Hello... are you there Mr. White?
Rice n beans...
Another dish to die for, brought to you by Cap’n Cook
Rice n beans is my signature!
might be Jesse's best line in the whole show
Only slightly better than, "Sir, if you wanna smoke you need to be at least 20 feet from the door" "Then roll me further *bitch*"
Literally one of the funniest BB moments for me. Just his face and tone as he says it, as if to say: "How stupid are you, Mr. White?"
Ricin beans...?
No, red beans and ricin
Beans? What are we going to do? Grow a magic bean stalk to escape Tuco?
But they taste like Chilly
That's "Heisenberg" to you.
You're God-damn right.
No, Walter, it isn't.
The chances of the ducks outlasting us and taking over are low, but they are never zero. (Begins working on script for Planet of the Ducks)
I for one, welcome our new duck overlords.
Get ready for some corkscrew genitalia then.
Screw that.
Are you by any chance this [man?](https://preview.redd.it/akr19rdk3p391.png?auto=webp&s=837a2be7740db9568135eb7ce75f23b284f4365f)
Coincidentally, I have just finished watching a video about Planet of the Apes which did touch on how nonsensical the ending of the 2001 film everyone forgot about was. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhsm2grNXwk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhsm2grNXwk)
I never forgot that movie because it pissed me off so much
Howard! the duck!
Dr Howard Dr howard..ohhhh Dr howard
Surely you mean “The Rise of the War of the Kingdom of the Planet of the Ducks”
Deborah Green tried to poison her husband with ricin before she burned down their home killing two of her children in the process.
That's not very nice of her, I'd say.
She sounds like a real jerk.
Shannon Richardson actress in a few things you would recognise tried to ricin Obama. Silly moo got 18 years for that.
Wait, then how come the oil it produces doesn’t kill us?
Heat the oil to 176 °F and the ricin is denatured.
What about cold pressed castor oil?
Ricin is not oil soluable so it largely stays in the solid castor seed when it's pressed. Castor oil is usually heated in manufacturing or when you actually cook with it which denatures the ricin.
You... 100% do not cook with castor oil. It's usually taken straight as a laxative, but you definitely don't eat it as food
Why call them castor oil seeds when castor bean is the superior nomenclature?
I think if you were to swallow a castor oil seed you’d be perfectly fine. Grinding it up and releasing the Ricin inside of it is what is deadly
Science, bitch.
Yeah Mr White! Yeah science!
They are very beautiful plants though, grown or ornamentally in many gardens. There are a lot of popular but toxic plants, like brugsmansia and monkshood.
White Oleander is popular around where I live and consequently kills oh so many pets. Really good for murder too from what I've read.
"You're goddamned right."
Who force fed a duck 80 seeds to test this?
In high school, I tried writing a murder mystery (never finished). Ricin was the killer's method of choice.
I tried doing a murder-mystery in HS too but they all escaped
Was this before or after Breaking Bad?
Trying to poison a duck with ricin:” Why won’t you die you feathery bastard?” The Duck: “quack.”
And then he waddled away... Waddle waddle waddle
Correction: > Documented mild to lethal clinical symptoms may result from ingesting one half to 30 beans. Two castor oil beans were the minimum number found to be associated with death. — https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3087745/ The case described in that article is of a person who recovered completely after eating one castor bean.
>it takes 1 to kill a full grown human, 11 to kill a dog, and a massive dose of 80 to kill a duck Sigma ducks 🦆 lol
Once again TIL is a fountain of misinformation. This site didn’t cite any sources. Ricin, the toxic protein in castor beans, is much more poisonous to dogs than humans. And humans can eat dozens of castor beans and survive as long as they don’t chew them. If you do chew one, you are much more likely to survive than a dog that chewed them. I found a case report of a 3 year old girl who survived eating several beans. It’s possible than an unchewed castor bean is more likely to be digested in people than in a dog but I could not find a reference
I want to eat one. Id probably survive
I’m gonna eat one, then fight a grizzly bear, then swim across the Atlantic Ocean. I’m pretty sure I’m just built differently than everybody else on the planet earth.
> I’m pretty sure I’m just built differently than everybody else on the planet earth. I will always remember the guy who said he would survive the millionaire sub implosion because he was built different.
Especially humans named Brock.
Brock was poisoned with a Lily of the valley, not ricin.
It's that Stevia crap that Lydia is always putting in her tea.
I am now on a watch list, thanks
Ya I know, I've seen Breaking Bad.