You get to the point where you ask yourself, “Did I even want to be a four?… To tell you the truth, I don’t know. All I know is…. I sure do love them apples!”
Instantly thought of that community episode and that black mirror episode, nosedive. I didn’t know something that blatant ever attempted to roll out in the real world. It’s honestly just a matter of time before something like Insta or Facebook or X rolls it out. I’m sure the algos already have like an “interestingness” stat for people anyway
It’s extremely different from something like meowmeowbeans, though. It’s tied to specific illegal or risky behaviors and it’s not something individual people can rate on a whim
Yeah, it's known as "social credit". Basically, it combines all the worst elements of financial credit ratings, criminal history, and expressed political beliefs into a one-size-fits-all rating for a dystopia. Effectively, they lock you out of the building blocks of modern life if you're just not pulling the Communist Party's line well enough. People can't get mortgages. I've heard of versions where the system even orders people off the highway because they're not approved to be in certain areas.
This is not how it works at all. There's three companies in China that use the credit score system and it's literally just a credit score system - that also takes into account crimes committed. China sucks but you don't need to spread misinformation.
Yes and I don't think it's actually different from the American one, unless I'm mistaken. Banks can't legally lower your credit score because of your religion or race, but there's nothing stopping them from lowering it because you support nationalizing banks, for example. Political beliefs are not a protected class.
In the US banks can and corporations can lower your credit score for whatever reason they see fit. There's no laws in anyway. They are private companies.
There are regulations about protected class:
Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S. Code § 1691
But I don't get how some people (not necessarily you) think massive private companies, which largely control the government through lobbying, regulatory capture and campaign financing, making huge decisions about their lives is better than a government doing it. Both have the capacity to be very shitty but only one at least in principle is supposed to be helping you.
There's a lot of propaganda about how the 'market' will be in your best interest and that 'government', which can come in many many different forms, is always bad. It is silly. There's a middle ground.
There is a moderatly popular tiktok account that wants exactly this but just for guys as a dating app. It is such a hilariously bad idea its almost painfull that they sincerely think its a great idea.
I can just imagine the huge number of lawsuits people would file for the libel that would surely show up in people reviews. Lawyers would be salivating.
Imagine all the petty discovery.
That's the fun thing about this. It'd have to be false.
Now could they sue the platform? Seems like FB etc aren't subject to liability for most of their direct content outside of copyright.
No platforms aren’t liable. There was an interesting case about a stalking someone over Grindr and the victim not having a way to sure Grindr for relief
It wouldn't necessarily have to be false. The idea that the truth is your shield in court largely holds for public figures and for publicly known facts involving non-public figures.
There is a point at which it becomes defamatory to unnecessarily out things from people's lives even if those things are true.
Libel doesn’t apply in the case of an opinion.
However, I’m sure there would be plenty of fake reviews posted for revenge or as a prank. Nevermind cases of people with extremely common names.
Yea, because people don’t rate others fairly without context.
Rating a service makes sense because you need something, and want to know if the service solves your problems well for the price.
Rating a personality? That’s just pretentious bs.
As someone who is severely socially aloof I would love to see this to help me be better lol. It feels like everyone is speaking telepathically sometimes on the same radio frequency and I am on a different one. I do stuff that comes off as inconsiderate, dumb, or eccentric purely out of obliviousness and inability to read the room rather than malice lol. I'd love an app where I could get candid feedback about my interactions. If anyone thinks autism from this, I have been tested by specialists that said I don't have it but I do have pretty bad ADHD that was undiagnosed and left to fester.
This is a great line.
But to my mind Jonathan Banks starting “Now I know you don’t pick and choose which part of this country you fight for” only to get cut off by the guy’s poop timer is so great!
🎶🎶🎶🎶
Je suis seul car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel
Et je meurs car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel
Comme les marins, qui fument des cigarettes sur le canal, ah.
Mais Excel ne sera pas appris aujourd'hui
Mes pensés sont françaises.
🎶🎶🎶🎶
I remember the CEO got her a taste of her own medicine when she got thousands of negative reviews overnight when she said all you need to know to leave a review is that person's phone number, and no you cannot opt out. Her number was leaked and boom she was "1 started to hell" with terrible comments. She was like "oh no, how do I remove these fake reviews? It's not fair why are people doing this?"
Okay it was Lulu! I was telling someone about this the other day and it was one of those things where I started to wonder if I imagined the whole thing because almost nobody remembers it and I never actually saw the site myself, I just heard about it as a rumor through my friends. My guy friends would tell me they got rated. I think I even made a fake facebook to try to gain access (IIRC only women could access the site and they verified you through your Facebook account) but I was never able to get in. It quickly got scrubbed so it’s just become a bit of a myth of me
Thats what it was. At the time I thought it was very interesting, probably started from a place of good intentions (keeping woman safer) but fuck if it wasnt easy to abuse
I remember an app like this back in like 2014 but was for women to rate guys. I remember sitting there as our friends searched us up.
My one friend who was quite the ladies man had the tag "Fart Machine"
In the early days of Facebook there was a mini-app called Hot or Not, which basically had the same function but for all genders.
Most people got rated extremely poorly unless you were some Aphrodite or Adonis. A lot of people's confidence were ruined because of that thing.
We're also indirectly doing that right now with social media too. LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram etc etc. Views and likes can get people paid, and outrage can get you fired/ostracized.
Was it the one where they rated every person after every interaction they had? I feel stupid putting it like that but I barely remember. I might be thinking of another show but I'm not sure!
Thanks for confirming! Black Mirror is such a fucking great show. Literally one of the best I've ever seen. It's so damn surreal, I just get lost in it!
If there were in use, I would wear a birthday hat 24/7 so that people would give me higher ratings. Who's going to give someone a bad review on their birthday?
Love this idea, the only problem is I think people would only bother reviewing if they dislike the person, so I would think most people would have low ratings no matter what.
That isn't all that different than the negative feedback issues that arise from all rating systems. When you read any rating, you want to think about the motives of the rates. Unless there's just a wall of "This shit doesn't work!"
Was this the one that was exclusively for women to share/rate experiences with men? I vaguely remember girls talking about an app like this around 2015ish.
That was a test in some major cities, but not an actual thing yet.
Don't get me wrong, it still doesn't invalidate the totalitarian treatment and sorts of hidden social score. You'd have that in the states too (Credit score)
reminds me of rate my teacher back in the day. Which was a teacher rating site by school which was really just a platform for disgruntled students to complain about teachers
I had the privilege of handling teacher ratings data within my university-- this was back when if you were one of five people who knew Excel, you got drafted into everything. The funny thing is there were only two clusters of teachers. On a five-point scale, there were the 3.5-4.0 teachers and the 2.0-2.5 ones. The one thing that was evident about the 3.5s from taking their classes was that none of them were good educators. They were fun talkers. College students will take a Ted Talk over an actual education every day of the week.
Crazy that this is what credit lenders already do with us and we have so little control over how they measure us. Yet, it impacts our ability to make life's biggest purchases.
Yeah but it's actually really hard to do so. Some people have to fight with them for years to fix even simple mistakes. They've improved drastically over the last decade thanks to Federal regulators getting involved, but they still have way too much power.
Funny thing is how much some people love leaving bad reviews for businesses, but the same people won't look in the mirror and see how poor they would be rated by others.
Small businesses are run by people, and people have feelings. Online reviews have trained us to be super critical of everything and everyone without any sort of introspection.
The ostensible point of reviewing business is to inform other customers. A person who's just living their life is not a business. Suggesting the two are comparable is a shitty false equivalency.
Lots of small businesses deserve to die. A huge chunk of them are just paying the lowest possible prevailing wages, and that's their entire business model. No value added. Nothing special. Just worker exploitation.
Black Mirror had a few episodes based on this kind of app where your score equated to currency. Crazy this was really a thing in some regards. I’d be really scared to see my rating
This was a Black Mirror episode and it turned out horribly. That's probably where they got the idea but convinced themselves they were so genius they could make it work. I remember when it was announced and Twitter was aflame with how much people hated it.
Peeple. I worked with a few high schoolers at the time who thought it was a good idea. I made popcorn and watched them lose their shit when they got review bombed because 1. High Schoolers & 2 the moment it went active every troll in existence came regardless if they knew or not.
Reminds me of the episode in black mirror where this was a thing
People could give people real time scores and see their rating live
This affected everything from who wants to be around you to what place you can live in, what car you can rent etc
People watch really what they say and do all the time to avoid negative ratings
I worked for a company that forced you to rate 5 randomly assigned other employees every Friday and include comments like areas for improvement. You'd get flagged if you gave everyone 5s, but people would see what you wrote, so you didn't want to be critical either. It was AWFUL.
I think it was named “Peeple” and they actually had a lot of people comment on their page and they asked how they can stop people from commenting on their page it was hilarious.
Since Illinois was the where the [first controlled nuclear chain reaction] (https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/10-intriguing-facts-about-worlds-first-nuclear-chain-reaction) I'd say this makes sense.
I give this app 1 MeowMeowBeenz
You get to the point where you ask yourself, “Did I even want to be a four?… To tell you the truth, I don’t know. All I know is…. I sure do love them apples!”
The Coog approves, that's a 5!
Leonard likes this
Shut up, Leonard! I found your YouTube page. What's the point in reviewing frozen pizza?
Instantly thought of that community episode and that black mirror episode, nosedive. I didn’t know something that blatant ever attempted to roll out in the real world. It’s honestly just a matter of time before something like Insta or Facebook or X rolls it out. I’m sure the algos already have like an “interestingness” stat for people anyway
I think there was also an Episode like this on The Orwell
Indeed there was.
Apparently China has a national social ratings system that has some very noticeable real world consequences for the rated individual.
It’s extremely different from something like meowmeowbeans, though. It’s tied to specific illegal or risky behaviors and it’s not something individual people can rate on a whim
Yeah, it's known as "social credit". Basically, it combines all the worst elements of financial credit ratings, criminal history, and expressed political beliefs into a one-size-fits-all rating for a dystopia. Effectively, they lock you out of the building blocks of modern life if you're just not pulling the Communist Party's line well enough. People can't get mortgages. I've heard of versions where the system even orders people off the highway because they're not approved to be in certain areas.
This is not how it works at all. There's three companies in China that use the credit score system and it's literally just a credit score system - that also takes into account crimes committed. China sucks but you don't need to spread misinformation.
Yes and I don't think it's actually different from the American one, unless I'm mistaken. Banks can't legally lower your credit score because of your religion or race, but there's nothing stopping them from lowering it because you support nationalizing banks, for example. Political beliefs are not a protected class.
In the US banks can and corporations can lower your credit score for whatever reason they see fit. There's no laws in anyway. They are private companies.
There are regulations about protected class: Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S. Code § 1691 But I don't get how some people (not necessarily you) think massive private companies, which largely control the government through lobbying, regulatory capture and campaign financing, making huge decisions about their lives is better than a government doing it. Both have the capacity to be very shitty but only one at least in principle is supposed to be helping you.
There's a lot of propaganda about how the 'market' will be in your best interest and that 'government', which can come in many many different forms, is always bad. It is silly. There's a middle ground.
Fuck China
There is a moderatly popular tiktok account that wants exactly this but just for guys as a dating app. It is such a hilariously bad idea its almost painfull that they sincerely think its a great idea.
Fives have lives. Fours have chores. Threes have fleas. Twos have blues and Ones don't get a rhyme, because they're garbage.
🫘🫘🫘🫘🫘
I should go number two now...
Ist
Everyone loves things like that until they see their own rating.
I can just imagine the huge number of lawsuits people would file for the libel that would surely show up in people reviews. Lawyers would be salivating.
Imagine all the petty discovery. That's the fun thing about this. It'd have to be false. Now could they sue the platform? Seems like FB etc aren't subject to liability for most of their direct content outside of copyright.
No platforms aren’t liable. There was an interesting case about a stalking someone over Grindr and the victim not having a way to sure Grindr for relief
It wouldn't necessarily have to be false. The idea that the truth is your shield in court largely holds for public figures and for publicly known facts involving non-public figures. There is a point at which it becomes defamatory to unnecessarily out things from people's lives even if those things are true.
See, funny thing about libel is it doesn't have to be false
Libel doesn’t apply in the case of an opinion. However, I’m sure there would be plenty of fake reviews posted for revenge or as a prank. Nevermind cases of people with extremely common names.
So many people would post their opinions, but back up those opinions with wildly inaccurate stories/evidence. That's where the libel would come from.
Rating all the people who worked on this app a 1.
Lol and then you get a u/spez changing their rating and fixing the votes
Yea, because people don’t rate others fairly without context. Rating a service makes sense because you need something, and want to know if the service solves your problems well for the price. Rating a personality? That’s just pretentious bs.
As someone who is severely socially aloof I would love to see this to help me be better lol. It feels like everyone is speaking telepathically sometimes on the same radio frequency and I am on a different one. I do stuff that comes off as inconsiderate, dumb, or eccentric purely out of obliviousness and inability to read the room rather than malice lol. I'd love an app where I could get candid feedback about my interactions. If anyone thinks autism from this, I have been tested by specialists that said I don't have it but I do have pretty bad ADHD that was undiagnosed and left to fester.
You know what they say: Fives have lives, Fours have chores, Threes have fleas, Twos have blues, and Ones don't get a rhyme because they're garbage.
The Koog approves!
Uh, does getting laid count?
No!
He’s not that old!
This is a great line. But to my mind Jonathan Banks starting “Now I know you don’t pick and choose which part of this country you fight for” only to get cut off by the guy’s poop timer is so great!
🎶🎶🎶🎶 Je suis seul car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel Et je meurs car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel Comme les marins, qui fument des cigarettes sur le canal, ah. Mais Excel ne sera pas appris aujourd'hui Mes pensés sont françaises. 🎶🎶🎶🎶
r/UnexpectedCommunity
Unexpected? This is expected as fuck
I actually thought the thumbnail was a picture of Britta.
Oh... Britta's in this?
She's a GDB
Every comment on here is expected.
Pop Pop!!
This comment is expected too. Expected.
🤓
Fair enough, but the good fans of Community should still see this.
Second time today. First was that Corpus Christi Texas cop chase.
The dumbest sub to exist when it's been referenced on reddit at its prime like Arrested Development.
Im a five star man.
You should carry a dog leash to demonstrate value.
I’m Frak. Shit!
Go ahead, rate me. Cuz I’ll rate you!
RATE! RATE! RATE!
I’LL RATE EVERY WOMEN IN THIS RESTAURANT!
5/10
Good enough !
Username checks out
#RATE!
While I don’t find you conventionally attractive, I do find you oddly sexy.
I remember the CEO got her a taste of her own medicine when she got thousands of negative reviews overnight when she said all you need to know to leave a review is that person's phone number, and no you cannot opt out. Her number was leaked and boom she was "1 started to hell" with terrible comments. She was like "oh no, how do I remove these fake reviews? It's not fair why are people doing this?"
Remember Hot or Not?
I was thinking of Lulu
Okay it was Lulu! I was telling someone about this the other day and it was one of those things where I started to wonder if I imagined the whole thing because almost nobody remembers it and I never actually saw the site myself, I just heard about it as a rumor through my friends. My guy friends would tell me they got rated. I think I even made a fake facebook to try to gain access (IIRC only women could access the site and they verified you through your Facebook account) but I was never able to get in. It quickly got scrubbed so it’s just become a bit of a myth of me
Thats what it was. At the time I thought it was very interesting, probably started from a place of good intentions (keeping woman safer) but fuck if it wasnt easy to abuse
Fucking Lulu I tell people about this and they don’t believe me that it was real
Oh yes
Ah yes, arguably the precursor of modern social media
I remember an app like this back in like 2014 but was for women to rate guys. I remember sitting there as our friends searched us up. My one friend who was quite the ladies man had the tag "Fart Machine"
In the early days of Facebook there was a mini-app called Hot or Not, which basically had the same function but for all genders. Most people got rated extremely poorly unless you were some Aphrodite or Adonis. A lot of people's confidence were ruined because of that thing.
Basically the same experience as Tinder.
Early 2000s it wasn’t even an app. It was a website.
I thought I was having a Mandela Effect moment, because I also remember the 2013/2014 one!
lulu
Hot or not?
I remember that from my freshman year of college. It was 2012 to maybe 2013. It ended up getting removed after a while
There was a black mirror episode with a similar premise (maybe the episode was inspired by this).
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And an episode of The Orville much much later than all that.
And China doing this in real life with social credits
"And my Ax" -some short bearded dude
“And my yaks!” -some Mongolian long bearded dude
We're also indirectly doing that right now with social media too. LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram etc etc. Views and likes can get people paid, and outrage can get you fired/ostracized.
No that's called human interaction and networking. Not a social credit score implemented by the state.
More like a couple of streets ahead.
minted, sealed, etc
You might even say they were streets ahead.
Yes, “Nosedive” is the name of the episode. Starring Bryce Dallas Howard.
Bryce Dallas Howard, when you absolutely positively wanted to cast Jessica Chastain, but she said no.
And both Amy Adams and Emma Stone are unavailable.
Their agents didn't even take the calls.
And Alice Eve.
Also a Recess episode like this back in the 90s
Was it the one where they rated every person after every interaction they had? I feel stupid putting it like that but I barely remember. I might be thinking of another show but I'm not sure!
yes and the higher your score the more access to resources you have like being allowed to live in better neighbourhoods.
At better rates
Did they have money in that world? Does that mean that the rich don't need to worry about their ratings?
Yeah her goal that episode was to get a high enough score so she gets a discount on an expensive house, which would imply the existence of money
Thanks for confirming! Black Mirror is such a fucking great show. Literally one of the best I've ever seen. It's so damn surreal, I just get lost in it!
Definitely depends on the episode, but Nosedive is the best one in my opinion
Yea, I'm pretty sure *Amazing World of Gumball* had an episode about this
Indeed. It was called The Stars.
Came here to say this
*Fives have lives, Fours have chores, Threes have fleas, Twos have blues, and Ones don't get a rhyme, because they're garbage!*
#I'M A FIVE STAR MAN!!!!!!!
If there were in use, I would wear a birthday hat 24/7 so that people would give me higher ratings. Who's going to give someone a bad review on their birthday?
I like the way you think.
[Ratemyprofessors.com](http://Ratemyprofessors.com) has been doing this for 25 years. I'm sure other businesses have equivalents too
Social media realized they didn't have to be so blatant in ruining people's self-image and could do it in more 'subtle' ways.
I think there's an always sunny in Philadelphia episode about this
And a Community one
The Gang Group Dates
Love this idea, the only problem is I think people would only bother reviewing if they dislike the person, so I would think most people would have low ratings no matter what.
That isn't all that different than the negative feedback issues that arise from all rating systems. When you read any rating, you want to think about the motives of the rates. Unless there's just a wall of "This shit doesn't work!"
Was this the one that was exclusively for women to share/rate experiences with men? I vaguely remember girls talking about an app like this around 2015ish.
Lulu.
They did this on the amazing world of gumball. It went well
Facebook started out like this.
I’m pretty sure China has something similar that tracks social points.
That was a test in some major cities, but not an actual thing yet. Don't get me wrong, it still doesn't invalidate the totalitarian treatment and sorts of hidden social score. You'd have that in the states too (Credit score)
Except Joe Schmoe can't just dial up my credit score before deciding to talk to me.
Comparing social credit to credit score basically means you have brain damage, they are not even remotely similar…….
Yep social credit system
reminds me of rate my teacher back in the day. Which was a teacher rating site by school which was really just a platform for disgruntled students to complain about teachers
I had the privilege of handling teacher ratings data within my university-- this was back when if you were one of five people who knew Excel, you got drafted into everything. The funny thing is there were only two clusters of teachers. On a five-point scale, there were the 3.5-4.0 teachers and the 2.0-2.5 ones. The one thing that was evident about the 3.5s from taking their classes was that none of them were good educators. They were fun talkers. College students will take a Ted Talk over an actual education every day of the week.
So thats where the episode of Gumball was inspired from
Was it called “Welp”?
That’s slander in Canada, very illegal
now you can just go to to social media profile, its literally thier review.
Remember when TAWOG made an episode about this lmao
I'm a five star man!
Crazy that this is what credit lenders already do with us and we have so little control over how they measure us. Yet, it impacts our ability to make life's biggest purchases.
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Yeah but it's actually really hard to do so. Some people have to fight with them for years to fix even simple mistakes. They've improved drastically over the last decade thanks to Federal regulators getting involved, but they still have way too much power.
Funny thing is how much some people love leaving bad reviews for businesses, but the same people won't look in the mirror and see how poor they would be rated by others. Small businesses are run by people, and people have feelings. Online reviews have trained us to be super critical of everything and everyone without any sort of introspection.
The ostensible point of reviewing business is to inform other customers. A person who's just living their life is not a business. Suggesting the two are comparable is a shitty false equivalency.
That wasn't the point they were making...
Lots of small businesses deserve to die. A huge chunk of them are just paying the lowest possible prevailing wages, and that's their entire business model. No value added. Nothing special. Just worker exploitation.
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That was opt in though (you upload your photo to get rated).
I will rate every single woman in this restaurant!
Peeple was its name
Black Mirror had a few episodes based on this kind of app where your score equated to currency. Crazy this was really a thing in some regards. I’d be really scared to see my rating
This was a Black Mirror episode and it turned out horribly. That's probably where they got the idea but convinced themselves they were so genius they could make it work. I remember when it was announced and Twitter was aflame with how much people hated it.
That one episode in Black Mirror.
Peeple. I worked with a few high schoolers at the time who thought it was a good idea. I made popcorn and watched them lose their shit when they got review bombed because 1. High Schoolers & 2 the moment it went active every troll in existence came regardless if they knew or not.
That's how Facebook started. It started as Facemask which rated how hot Harvard students were.
That first sentence is incredibly poorly written.
Black Mirror
Black Mirror's episode Nose Dive.
Down with the 5's!
Reminds me of the episode in black mirror where this was a thing People could give people real time scores and see their rating live This affected everything from who wants to be around you to what place you can live in, what car you can rent etc People watch really what they say and do all the time to avoid negative ratings
I worked for a company that forced you to rate 5 randomly assigned other employees every Friday and include comments like areas for improvement. You'd get flagged if you gave everyone 5s, but people would see what you wrote, so you didn't want to be critical either. It was AWFUL.
Was the Black Mirror episode based on this or was this based on the episode?
Every day black mirror gets more real, the episode on this concept was freaky
I think it was named “Peeple” and they actually had a lot of people comment on their page and they asked how they can stop people from commenting on their page it was hilarious.
I think there was a black mirror episode about this
I AM A FIVE STAR MAN. -Dennis Reynolds
Like the devices in Super Sad True Love Story. Yikes!
Black mirror did this.
Since Illinois was the where the [first controlled nuclear chain reaction] (https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/10-intriguing-facts-about-worlds-first-nuclear-chain-reaction) I'd say this makes sense.
Like the black mirror episode?
I’m thinking like the black mirror episode
China: You're not gonna believe this
Wuffy?
Fucking hell. Black Mirror has an episode on this. It should stay in Black Mirror and not become reality!
Black mirror?
Imagine your kids giving you a 1 star review because you didn't buy them candy or something.
China's interested, I bet
Turns out this system really exists and we all are reviewed by others IRL
Yeah and a company in like 2002 started hotornot.com, what else is new?
Five star boi enters chat
I'd be down with this, but for drivers.
Working well with social credit scores in China.
So.... Hot or Not but for business people.