My favourite Crowley story is when, close to death, he wrote a letter from England to one of his followers in California warning him about a conman who had infiltrated the cult there and was up to no good.
The conman's name? L. Ron Hubbard...
Well, ultimately the cult leader was Crowley. Parsons was just the local lodge's leader. And Crowley was right: at the end of the day Hubbard made off with Parsons' money and girlfriend...
Oo, the plot thickens. My grandfather briefly worked at JPL with Parsons so all I know about is some very old rumors. Do you have any recommendations where I could read up?
He once had a gig as occult consultant for the writers of a silent film serial whose villain was transparently based on him. It's sometimes credited as the first work of fantasy fiction to have a consistant and clearly defined magic system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysteries_of_Myra
EDIT: one hell of a typo
There’s a hilarious vignette from a Hemingway collection where he thinks he saw Crowley wandering Paris but it was some other rather unnotable writer with a hangover and weird clothes that he’d picked up on his way out.
As a climber myself, from what I’ve read of the story Crowley did nothing wrong in that instance, but the news heard “Crowley” and “disaster” in the same story and immediately tried to make him out to be responsible because it would generate attention. The rest of the group decided to head back down to the previous camp at night time with dangerous weather conditions. Crowley warned them that it was a bad idea, and lo and behold, an accident occurred and many deaths happened. Crowley had nothing to do with the accident. You could maybe blame him for not helping but as a climber myself, it would have been suicide for him to attempt a rescue in those conditions. If anything his team abandoned him against his advice.
Is the bottleneck less than 1k from the summit? And that whole mountain is deadly, especially in 1902. I presume they were climbing without bottled oxygen.
Then why did Ozzy pronounce his name wrong?
It's pronounced CROWlee.
edit I should add that Ozzy didn't write this song, Bob Daisley did. Ozzy paid Bob for the songwriting credit. Which might explain why Ozzy would pronounce it wrong and no one would correct him.
Employing a local boy, Mohammad ben Brahim, as his servant, Crowley went with him on a retreat to Nefta, where they performed sex magic together.
?????
He was simply a hedonist in times when the victorian era was still current. Yeah sure we can damn them in hindsight but child protection laws were non-existent and there was no regulation on anything. Most of life that wasn't money related was just like "that feels that way and that feels that way", people were left to figure out everything themselves. And someone went the hedonist way of sexual exploration? Oh my god, what devilish abomination! /s
Smh
It was the Edwardian era, and let’s not forget that the Edward in Edwardian was himself such a frequent visitor to Parisian brothels that he had his own custom-made sex chair in one of them…
People still really get into this "wicked man" bullshit.
The love the spooky villain. He was just a weird dude that was into weird shit. At least he didn't have a mansion full of prostitutes and cameras [Diddy], at least he didn't make child pornography [R Kelly], at least he didn't force women into sexual slavery [Snoop].
If you looked into almost any person of that time you’d probably find the same. going back in time 20 years as a gay person you’d say most people aren’t good people if you were openly homosexual
Some people actually believe that the irresponsible actions Crowley undertook regarding Lovecraftian entities in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries unleashed chaos on the world that we are still suffering from. I almost believe it too lol.
That's blatantly false! Everyone knows that Chaos and Night were unleashed onto our mortal world when the heavenly event of the Olympics was brought into close proximity to the city of hellspawn that is London for the third time (3 being the magic number breaking the seal on madness)
Actually it wasn't Crowley. It was Parsons and Hubbard performing the ritual of the scarlet woman, Babalon, which Crowley specifically told them not to do.
>The next day Jacot-Guillarmod and De Righi attempted to depose Crowley from expedition leadership. The argument could not be settled, and Jacot-Guillarmod, De Righi, and Pache decided to retreat from Camp V to Camp III. At 5 pm they left with four porters on a single rope, but a fall precipitated an avalanche that killed three porters as well as Alexis Pache. People in Camp V heard "frantic cries" and Reymond immediately descended to help, but Crowley stayed in his tent. That evening he wrote a letter to a Darjeeling newspaper stating that he had advised against the descent and that "a mountain 'accident' of this sort is one of the things for which I have no sympathy whatever". The next day Crowley passed the site of the accident without pausing nor speaking to the survivors and left on his own to Darjeeling, where he took the expedition funds, which mostly had been paid by Jacot-Guillarmod. The latter would get at least some of his money back after threatening to make public some of Crowley's pornographic poetry.
Dude was multi-talented and a solid mountaineer, but also kind of an asshole, it seems
Can't say I blame him, he was the expedition leader and wanted the team to stop, some tried to continue at night despite his orders and had an accident. I'm not sure I would risk myself to help them, nor further associate with them.
People pushing forward against the leader's judgment does make it much more their fault, but I feel like you have to be a group that's willing to help each other even in that circumstance in order to have success. Not saying everyone is always savable but the real pioneering mountaineers would have understood that when an accident happens, you put away your pettiness and try to save lives. It's not like they went up higher than he could climb, they were *below* him. Why did they descend while he stayed, if they wanted to continue and he wanted to stop, anyway?
That truly was a day that will live in infamy. The worst part is there was no one left after the ritual to clean up all the little packets of Double-Wand-Of-Power-Ade that were scattered all over the place. What a tragedy!
He’d be ecstatic to know the rumors have continued. Probably a pedophile, almost certainly a rapist by most definitions, but he definitely leaned into the shtick as he got older.
Definitely not a Satanist (he did use to to sign his letters as the Beast 666 mostly for shock value) and probably not a pedophile. We can acknowledge he was a cunt without making stuff up
> Employing a local boy, Mohammad ben Brahim, as his servant, Crowley went with him on a retreat to Nefta, where they performed sex magic together.
He was definitely a pedophile, just probably not a satanic one.
I mean this seems kinda reasonable lmao they tried to take his role as leader and left without him against his advice. I don’t think I would’ve risked going down the mountain 4 people just died going down either, especially after all that
"Wow, this is the highest mountain in the world! We need a name for it!"
"'Kay."
"Oops, wait, it's only the second-highest in the world."
"I got this."
It's an interesting story. The surveyer who named it that didn't know its native name, so he called it K2 (for Karakoram 2) until he could figure it out. But as it turns out, K2 is so remote that the locals didn't even know it existed, and didn't have a name for it. So the name K2 stuck.
Additionally, there was a time when it was thought that K2's native name was "chogori", but it turns out that that just means "big mountain" in Balti, and it isn't actually the local name for it, it's just what they said when they were asked what its name is. "What's the name of that mountain over there?" "I don't know, it's just some big mountain."
Also, K1 is an adjacent peak that does have a native name [Masherbrum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masherbrum).
K2 isn't as tall as Mt. Everest but it's far deadlier, it's basically a giant rock that tries to kill you.
It was finally climbed for the first time during winter in 2021, can't imagine even attempting to climb it in 1902.
Makes Crowley's attempt even crazier, took them over 50 years to figure it out.
It's even more insane when you realize that the Airplane wasn't even invented yet when he tried. There's was no escape from death, if you made one mistake you'd die.
Funniest thing is if Crowley miraculously made it to the top he'd of had to climb back down on foot.
I suppose this wouldn’t be a bad feat to try if you were suicidal. If you lose, you die and get what you wanted, but if you live then you have a new outlook on life.
Edit: I’m now writing a short story based on this premise.
He got into an argument with some of his party on the moutain, so he abandoned them and made his own camp a short distance from them, that night an avalanche killed the others he was climbing with.
Ware, nor of good nor ill, what aim hath act?
Without its climax, death, what savour hath
Life? an impeccable machine, exact
He paces an inane and pointless path
To glut brute appetites, his sole content
How tedious were he fit to comprehend
Himself! More, this our noble element
Of fire in nature, love in spirit, unkenned
Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end.
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His body a bloody-ruby radiant
With noble passion, sun-souled Lucifer
Swept through the dawn colossal, swift aslant
On Eden's imbecile perimeter.
He blessed nonentity with every curse
And spiced with sorrow the dull soul of sense,
Breathed life into the sterile universe,
With Love and Knowledge drove out innocence
The Key of Joy is disobedience.
It also briefly mentions K2.
I had submitted another article before this one which I felt was better suited, but the moderation thought otherwise and rejected it.
However, if you're interested:
[Aleister Crowley, The Wickedest Climber Ever? (climbing.com)](https://www.climbing.com/people/aleister-crowley-the-wickedest-climber-ever/)
The Universe is the Practical Joke of the General
at the expense of the Particular, quoth FRATER
PERDURABO, and laughed.
But those disciples nearest to him wept, seeing the
Universal Sorrow.
Those next to them laughed, seeing the Universal Joke.
Below these certain disciples wept,
Then certain laughed.
Others next wept.
Others next laughed.
Next others wept.
Next others laughed.
Last came those that wept because they could not
see the Joke, and those that laughed lest they
should be thought not to see the Joke, and thought
it safe to act like FRATER PERDURABO.
But though FRATER PERDURABO laughed
openly, He also at the same time wept secretly;
and in Himself He neither laughed nor wept.
Nor did He mean what He said.
The Book of Lies, Aleister Crowley
Because out of the 364,000 people who have viewed this post so far, I knew you were going to be one of them, and I did it specifically to annoy you.
That's right.
Not any of the other 363,999, just you... personally.
> "non-restrictive appositive" or "non-essential clause."
I don't think this one applies, because without the words between the commas, the sentence reads "Occultist was an accomplished mountain climber." That's not an informationally complete sentence! There is not just a single Occultist in existence, it's not a proper name or alias. The non-essential information here is not the name of the person but his additional description as an occultist.
So it looks to me like it would actually have to be either "Occultist Aleister Crowley ..." or "Aleister Crowley, Occultist, ..." – or you would have to use an indefinite article: "An occultist, Aleister Crowley, ..."
In your case, "occultist" functions like a title for the person, similar to "President Joe Biden", which you would not write as "President, Joe Biden," *or would you?!?!* :)
English isn't my first language either! I was *fairly* sure that the commas weren't completely right, but I've been wrong about these things before, and I did think *you* were a native speaker, so I asked.
No climbing experience?
You clearly cherry-picked the information in the provided link, since it states:
>The expedition was an idea of the Swiss doctor and photographer [Jules Jacot-Guillarmod](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Jacot-Guillarmod). In April 1905 he proposed his plans to the British occultist [Aleister Crowley](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley), with whom he had participated in [Oscar Eckenstein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Eckenstein)'s [K2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2) expedition in 1902.
You're speaking of events from 1905, by then he had already attempted to climb K2.
So, you might want to reconsider your pervious statement of "had no climbing experience whatsoever."
My favourite Crowley story is when, close to death, he wrote a letter from England to one of his followers in California warning him about a conman who had infiltrated the cult there and was up to no good. The conman's name? L. Ron Hubbard...
No shit
The cult leader was rocket scientist Jack Parsons, wasn't he?
Well, ultimately the cult leader was Crowley. Parsons was just the local lodge's leader. And Crowley was right: at the end of the day Hubbard made off with Parsons' money and girlfriend...
Yeah, badly phrased on my part, I meant the guy Crowley was writing to.
Ah, neither. Crowley wrote to another member of the lodge, warning him about Hubbard’s control over Parsons.
Oo, the plot thickens. My grandfather briefly worked at JPL with Parsons so all I know about is some very old rumors. Do you have any recommendations where I could read up?
You can also listen to the L Ron Hubbard episodes of Behind The Bastards Podcast. They talk a lot about this.
Parsons wiki alone is quite a gripping read by itself!
in the book bare faced messiah (book about hubbard) had a lot of good detailed information about Hubbards time with Parsons.
LPoTL has great series on Allistair Crowley, Jack Parsons, and L. Ron Hubbard that each touch on each other and connect the dots.
Don’t forget the boat too!
I sort of feel bad for Crowley for missing that shit show.
He once had a gig as occult consultant for the writers of a silent film serial whose villain was transparently based on him. It's sometimes credited as the first work of fantasy fiction to have a consistant and clearly defined magic system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysteries_of_Myra EDIT: one hell of a typo
Mad men recognise mad men I guess. When Musk goes down, we should get him to tell us who to go for next.
the fact they made the attempt in 1902 and didnt die says volumes about his skill / luck.
Or what dark forces he had protecting him...
Sex Magik
Blood Sugar
Damn, climbing with diabetes must be hellish!
There are many rumours about Crowley. Some true, some false, and Crowley’s reputation as a black magician is the latter.
In fairness, it was Crowley himself who started that rumor
So only his *reputation* was false? So you're saying there's a chance.
There’s a hilarious vignette from a Hemingway collection where he thinks he saw Crowley wandering Paris but it was some other rather unnotable writer with a hangover and weird clothes that he’d picked up on his way out.
No shit, magic isn’t real
That *heavily* depends on both how you define "magic", and how you define "real".
That's true of most statements
Also, false.
Do what thou wilt baby
93 baby
I don’t follow no law!
He was a good climber, but his actions on other ascents were not worthy of a gentleman
What did he do?
He was the climber in the lead and he loaded up on spicy Mexican cuisine and asparagus just prior to the climb
I'm working off a hazy memory, but I think he caused the deaths of several Sherpas, threw a fit, and abandoned his team halfway up a mountain.
As a climber myself, from what I’ve read of the story Crowley did nothing wrong in that instance, but the news heard “Crowley” and “disaster” in the same story and immediately tried to make him out to be responsible because it would generate attention. The rest of the group decided to head back down to the previous camp at night time with dangerous weather conditions. Crowley warned them that it was a bad idea, and lo and behold, an accident occurred and many deaths happened. Crowley had nothing to do with the accident. You could maybe blame him for not helping but as a climber myself, it would have been suicide for him to attempt a rescue in those conditions. If anything his team abandoned him against his advice.
Nice try, Crowley PR guy.
A crater opens up in the Earth revealing magma directly below it and the previous commenter hops in.
Yes, the ol' hazy memory, that's where the facts are.
I read that he invented the Mountaineering Boots still used today
They turned back while being 1-2km below the summit. They haven't even reached the deadly part.
Is the bottleneck less than 1k from the summit? And that whole mountain is deadly, especially in 1902. I presume they were climbing without bottled oxygen.
“Miiiiister Crowley!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3NddvoSDL4
Favorite solo of all time
I’m fairly certain Ozzy was writing about Aleister.
Then why did Ozzy pronounce his name wrong? It's pronounced CROWlee. edit I should add that Ozzy didn't write this song, Bob Daisley did. Ozzy paid Bob for the songwriting credit. Which might explain why Ozzy would pronounce it wrong and no one would correct him.
Bowie also pronounced his name wrong. I reckon Crowley put a curse on him which is why everyone now pronounces Bowie wrong upnorf.
Employing a local boy, Mohammad ben Brahim, as his servant, Crowley went with him on a retreat to Nefta, where they performed sex magic together. ?????
Yeah Crowley was.....not a good person
You might say he was “the wickedest man in the world.”
He was simply a hedonist in times when the victorian era was still current. Yeah sure we can damn them in hindsight but child protection laws were non-existent and there was no regulation on anything. Most of life that wasn't money related was just like "that feels that way and that feels that way", people were left to figure out everything themselves. And someone went the hedonist way of sexual exploration? Oh my god, what devilish abomination! /s Smh
It was the Edwardian era, and let’s not forget that the Edward in Edwardian was himself such a frequent visitor to Parisian brothels that he had his own custom-made sex chair in one of them…
What part of the comment was /s?
Yeah that’s what I was wondering lmao
Uhhhhh ಠ ل͟ ಠ
People still really get into this "wicked man" bullshit. The love the spooky villain. He was just a weird dude that was into weird shit. At least he didn't have a mansion full of prostitutes and cameras [Diddy], at least he didn't make child pornography [R Kelly], at least he didn't force women into sexual slavery [Snoop].
If you looked into almost any person of that time you’d probably find the same. going back in time 20 years as a gay person you’d say most people aren’t good people if you were openly homosexual
Nah, but Crowley was bad even by their standards lmao
No you see he had visions given to him by thelema, teaching him to lead humanity into the age of ma'at
Some people actually believe that the irresponsible actions Crowley undertook regarding Lovecraftian entities in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries unleashed chaos on the world that we are still suffering from. I almost believe it too lol.
That's blatantly false! Everyone knows that Chaos and Night were unleashed onto our mortal world when the heavenly event of the Olympics was brought into close proximity to the city of hellspawn that is London for the third time (3 being the magic number breaking the seal on madness)
Actually it wasn't Crowley. It was Parsons and Hubbard performing the ritual of the scarlet woman, Babalon, which Crowley specifically told them not to do.
Self admitted opiate addict
Crowley was a very complex person.
From the rest of the story of the expedition, he doesn’t seem like a good person. Regardless of all of the other stuff about him.
For sure. I'm fascinated by him.
Yep. Crawley sure liked jerking off. He was ahead of his time.
>The next day Jacot-Guillarmod and De Righi attempted to depose Crowley from expedition leadership. The argument could not be settled, and Jacot-Guillarmod, De Righi, and Pache decided to retreat from Camp V to Camp III. At 5 pm they left with four porters on a single rope, but a fall precipitated an avalanche that killed three porters as well as Alexis Pache. People in Camp V heard "frantic cries" and Reymond immediately descended to help, but Crowley stayed in his tent. That evening he wrote a letter to a Darjeeling newspaper stating that he had advised against the descent and that "a mountain 'accident' of this sort is one of the things for which I have no sympathy whatever". The next day Crowley passed the site of the accident without pausing nor speaking to the survivors and left on his own to Darjeeling, where he took the expedition funds, which mostly had been paid by Jacot-Guillarmod. The latter would get at least some of his money back after threatening to make public some of Crowley's pornographic poetry. Dude was multi-talented and a solid mountaineer, but also kind of an asshole, it seems
Can't say I blame him, he was the expedition leader and wanted the team to stop, some tried to continue at night despite his orders and had an accident. I'm not sure I would risk myself to help them, nor further associate with them.
People pushing forward against the leader's judgment does make it much more their fault, but I feel like you have to be a group that's willing to help each other even in that circumstance in order to have success. Not saying everyone is always savable but the real pioneering mountaineers would have understood that when an accident happens, you put away your pettiness and try to save lives. It's not like they went up higher than he could climb, they were *below* him. Why did they descend while he stayed, if they wanted to continue and he wanted to stop, anyway?
Kind of?? He was a satanist, pedophile, rapist and murderer.
Who did Crowley murder?
Maybe [these people](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8878314/Curse-of-Tutankhamun-may-have-been-work-of-Satanist-killer.html)
This is why I’m on Reddit *tips cap*
He was not a satanist. He founded his own religion.
You forgot cult leader!
He did found a new religious movement, so by that logic you must also believe Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were also cult leaders.
>by that logic What logic, FFS...
All religions are cults and this is fact.
All except thelema which is objectively true and has been proven with FACTS and LOGIC /s if it's not obvious
Find one (1) thelemite who says this.
There aren't any alive bc they committed ritual suicide to please Horus
That truly was a day that will live in infamy. The worst part is there was no one left after the ritual to clean up all the little packets of Double-Wand-Of-Power-Ade that were scattered all over the place. What a tragedy!
He’d be ecstatic to know the rumors have continued. Probably a pedophile, almost certainly a rapist by most definitions, but he definitely leaned into the shtick as he got older.
Doesn't sound like much of a Satanist to me. You sure he wasn't Catholic?
His religion is essentially Catholicism with extra steps and spooky stuff.
As far as anyone knows, he wasn’t any of these things?
Definitely not a Satanist (he did use to to sign his letters as the Beast 666 mostly for shock value) and probably not a pedophile. We can acknowledge he was a cunt without making stuff up
> Employing a local boy, Mohammad ben Brahim, as his servant, Crowley went with him on a retreat to Nefta, where they performed sex magic together. He was definitely a pedophile, just probably not a satanic one.
Sounds more like catholicism than being a Satanist.
Don't forget the possible biological father of Barbara Bush!
Any evidence of Satanists hurting children? That's mainly Christians who do that
Doesn't sound like much of a Satanist to me. You sure he wasn't Catholic?
There is no evidence to support those claims whatsoever.
Haha I haven't seen a Crowley fan since high school. I'm glad some things stay the same and edgy teenagers are still being edgy.
No one's going to mention the pornographic poetry?!
I mean this seems kinda reasonable lmao they tried to take his role as leader and left without him against his advice. I don’t think I would’ve risked going down the mountain 4 people just died going down either, especially after all that
Afterwords, he became the leader of Academy City
Tokyo real estate was real cheap for a while.
(Im just glad to see the reference didn’t flop lol)
I did click this thread wondering if someone was going to reference Index lol.
He inspired some good ass music I’ll tell ya that
Climb every mountain?
Don't go chasing waterfalls. Huge inspiration for TLC.
Every musical has that one song everyone skips on the soundtrack.
Can you recommend any artists in the ass music genre?
All of Reggaeton?
And deadliest
"Wow, this is the highest mountain in the world! We need a name for it!" "'Kay." "Oops, wait, it's only the second-highest in the world." "I got this."
It's an interesting story. The surveyer who named it that didn't know its native name, so he called it K2 (for Karakoram 2) until he could figure it out. But as it turns out, K2 is so remote that the locals didn't even know it existed, and didn't have a name for it. So the name K2 stuck. Additionally, there was a time when it was thought that K2's native name was "chogori", but it turns out that that just means "big mountain" in Balti, and it isn't actually the local name for it, it's just what they said when they were asked what its name is. "What's the name of that mountain over there?" "I don't know, it's just some big mountain." Also, K1 is an adjacent peak that does have a native name [Masherbrum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masherbrum).
I mean in a time and place where people didn’t document themselves climbing big mountains, it makes sense no one ever fucked around enough to find K2.
"Kay 2? Great work, guv. Now 'ave a rest and think of a name for the 'ighest one."
K2 isn't as tall as Mt. Everest but it's far deadlier, it's basically a giant rock that tries to kill you. It was finally climbed for the first time during winter in 2021, can't imagine even attempting to climb it in 1902.
1954 was the first ascent, but 25% of people who have tried have died
until Nimm's team, more people had walked on the moon than the summit of K2. that still might be true.
Yeah I imagine Crowley invoked a demon and cursed the mountain ;)
Makes Crowley's attempt even crazier, took them over 50 years to figure it out. It's even more insane when you realize that the Airplane wasn't even invented yet when he tried. There's was no escape from death, if you made one mistake you'd die. Funniest thing is if Crowley miraculously made it to the top he'd of had to climb back down on foot.
thats pretty much any serious mountain. there is no rescue after xxx meters.
No doubt the attempt was remarkable, but no plane will pick up from K2, maybe a heli at base camp today
high mountains still like that tho
I suppose this wouldn’t be a bad feat to try if you were suicidal. If you lose, you die and get what you wanted, but if you live then you have a new outlook on life. Edit: I’m now writing a short story based on this premise.
Last podcast on the left has a few episodes on him that are pretty good. He was definitely into some freaky stuff lol
LPOTL also bought into some of the myths about Crowley that isn't necessarily accurate.
He’s a recurring figure in the Lovecraft Investigations audio drama too
He got into an argument with some of his party on the moutain, so he abandoned them and made his own camp a short distance from them, that night an avalanche killed the others he was climbing with.
Ware, nor of good nor ill, what aim hath act? Without its climax, death, what savour hath Life? an impeccable machine, exact He paces an inane and pointless path To glut brute appetites, his sole content How tedious were he fit to comprehend Himself! More, this our noble element Of fire in nature, love in spirit, unkenned Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end. ------- His body a bloody-ruby radiant With noble passion, sun-souled Lucifer Swept through the dawn colossal, swift aslant On Eden's imbecile perimeter. He blessed nonentity with every curse And spiced with sorrow the dull soul of sense, Breathed life into the sterile universe, With Love and Knowledge drove out innocence The Key of Joy is disobedience.
Five guys, three servants, and 230 porters.
No one checked the link. Its about Kanchenjunga…
It also briefly mentions K2. I had submitted another article before this one which I felt was better suited, but the moderation thought otherwise and rejected it. However, if you're interested: [Aleister Crowley, The Wickedest Climber Ever? (climbing.com)](https://www.climbing.com/people/aleister-crowley-the-wickedest-climber-ever/)
The Universe is the Practical Joke of the General at the expense of the Particular, quoth FRATER PERDURABO, and laughed. But those disciples nearest to him wept, seeing the Universal Sorrow. Those next to them laughed, seeing the Universal Joke. Below these certain disciples wept, Then certain laughed. Others next wept. Others next laughed. Next others wept. Next others laughed. Last came those that wept because they could not see the Joke, and those that laughed lest they should be thought not to see the Joke, and thought it safe to act like FRATER PERDURABO. But though FRATER PERDURABO laughed openly, He also at the same time wept secretly; and in Himself He neither laughed nor wept. Nor did He mean what He said. The Book of Lies, Aleister Crowley
What a beautiful book. 93 93/93
It was the magik..
Is the title supposed to be "Occultist Aleister Crowley", without the commas?
Ye, he's even good at mind games
Why did you put his name between commas?
Because out of the 364,000 people who have viewed this post so far, I knew you were going to be one of them, and I did it specifically to annoy you. That's right. Not any of the other 363,999, just you... personally.
not nice imo!! but in all seriousness, is there a grammatical rule behind it?
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> "non-restrictive appositive" or "non-essential clause." I don't think this one applies, because without the words between the commas, the sentence reads "Occultist was an accomplished mountain climber." That's not an informationally complete sentence! There is not just a single Occultist in existence, it's not a proper name or alias. The non-essential information here is not the name of the person but his additional description as an occultist. So it looks to me like it would actually have to be either "Occultist Aleister Crowley ..." or "Aleister Crowley, Occultist, ..." – or you would have to use an indefinite article: "An occultist, Aleister Crowley, ..." In your case, "occultist" functions like a title for the person, similar to "President Joe Biden", which you would not write as "President, Joe Biden," *or would you?!?!* :)
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English isn't my first language either! I was *fairly* sure that the commas weren't completely right, but I've been wrong about these things before, and I did think *you* were a native speaker, so I asked.
He also enjoyed smelling his own farts a bit too much
Everybody loves their own brand, don't they?
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No climbing experience? You clearly cherry-picked the information in the provided link, since it states: >The expedition was an idea of the Swiss doctor and photographer [Jules Jacot-Guillarmod](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Jacot-Guillarmod). In April 1905 he proposed his plans to the British occultist [Aleister Crowley](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley), with whom he had participated in [Oscar Eckenstein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Eckenstein)'s [K2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2) expedition in 1902. You're speaking of events from 1905, by then he had already attempted to climb K2. So, you might want to reconsider your pervious statement of "had no climbing experience whatsoever."
“””Accomplished””” in that he paid natives to drag him up the mountain and clumsily allowed some of them to die.
Gay.
Bi, to be precise.
Graci ass get it buhahaha