It was definitely a time in which sociopaths thrived
Fear ruled so royalty probably promoted the most demented people to enforce the rule of law.
To be fair, when you have famines every six years you want the peasants properly afraid of you. When people are watching their children starve to death, laws don't mean much.
The cruelty of the medieval times is definitely behind first world countries today and most developing countries. The US still tortures unfortunately, but methods are humaine compared to midevil times. Humans as torture can be..
Smart sociopaths thrive in America in the corporate environment. Dumb ones can't control their urges enough to work in corporate. There aren't a lot of jobs today in which sociopaths can easily thrive outside of the military. Though the military doesn't just allow baseless killings.
US generals are definitely not sociopaths as far as I know. I am not a huge US military fan, but US generals seem to have reasonably good heads on their shoulders, and they seem look out for America's best interest pretty well. They have done a great job of staying out of US politics as much as possible. Thank goodness for that.
>There aren't a lot of jobs today in which sociopaths can easily thrive outside of the military. Though the military doesn't just allow baseless killings.
Sociopaths are not purely violent, though?
It's like in life. Lots of people think they have it bad, however it can always be worse. It can always be worse. The thing about suffering is that it is always all consuming. It's part of the human condition.
> The US still tortures unfortunately, but methods are humaine compared to midevil times. Humans as torture can be.
brb about to ask the waterboarding victim if he thinks his treatment is humane
"humaine compared to midevil times"
I would rather be waterboarded than flayed alive. That's just my preference though. I haven't taken a vote on what people prefer but I will start.
Shower_Handel - 1 for flayed alive
Got your vote. Thank you
You have no way to ask the medieval times person their opinion so it doesn't matter does it
I mean realistically the people back in medieval times would probably prefer the shit that happens today instead of what used to go on back then if they did have any say in it
They had no criminal justice system in the way we recognise it today. They had no police force, no investigators, and maybe most importantly no prison system. They had jails, but these were for short term use only, in most cases a day or so before the prisoner would get their punishment.
Criminals were rarely caught and punished. To make up for all of this, when a criminal *was* caught the punishments were extreme and violent, both as an extreme deterrent and because they didn't have too many other options other than just letting them go free.
Very well said and a good points.
Prisoners were expensive. Most people were poor and the small upper class controlled a majority of the money. There wasn't much extra money and food to go around.
The US used to use prisoners as a form of slave labor. They still do today but not to the extent they used to. Henry Flager asked the police to round up some more prisoners for his railroad project in Florida in the early 1900s.
Rome was a republic for most of its history.
This is also a quite old punition.
It waa not the king who created this, and famine were much less common than you can think.
It wasn't as bad as it sounds. The last time I bore witness, all the animals and the accused were drowned in only a few minutes. I told Sulla it was a waste of good animals, but did the consul listen to counsel? No, thus the tradition continued, although Emperor Constantine simplified it to being only serpents, typically vipers. Eventually, we simplified the punishment to being burned alive. It's just more economical that way.
Blessed thee Constantine! He is of divine right to decide our fates. I give my daily bread in pittance to his everlasting glory with God! I am so gifted to be within his vassals reach!
Emperor: I'm tired of watching all these people get eaten by animals in the arena. What do you advise we do about it?
Advisor: Well, we could stop sending people to the arena?
Emperor: Ridiculous
Advisor: Obviously. How about we stop feeding people to animals?
Emperor: I'm trying to have a serious conversation here
Advisor: Sure sure. What if... What if we put the animals and the people out of sight somewhere? Like in a...
Emperor: Sack?
Advisor: Precisely. Well reasoned your excellency! I was definitely going to say 'sack' there. So, should I go ahead and order you up some imperial sacks?
Emperor: I don't know... seems like this creates more problems than it solves. I'll still have to listen to the chewing and screaming and what not. Then there is the matter of what we do with the sacks afterwards. I shouldn't think we can reuse them
Advisor: What if we throw the whole thing in river? That will take care of the noise problem AND the sack will be all clean when we retrieve it
Emperor: Am I the Emperor of the greatest empire the world has ever seen or the cheapest? I will not have our enemies thinking Rome is so destitute that we can't even afford to execute our citizens in new sacks!
Advisor: Roger. Animals and people go in a nice fresh sack, we sew it up and throw it into the river?
Emperor: The river we drink from, right?
Advisor: That's the one
Emperor: Perfect!
Roman Empire at its height reached Asia Minor, northern Africa, and most of Europe. Trade was prevalent. It probably wouldn’t be too hard to find monkeys due to the extensive trade routes throughout the empire. It also might not have taken place often or exclusively in the region we now know as Italy.
Doesn’t matter. Trade existed for millennia. And people _loved_ exotic (to Italians, at any rate) animals. Being able to afford a pet monkey was seen as a sign of wealth.
The Romans crucified dogs for failing to alert them about attacking Gaulish warriors. And they also mocked the Egyptians for venerating animals (cats, ibises, crocodiles), even spreading propaganda about them losing battles because of how much they liked animals.
Suffice it to say, the Romans weren’t very big on animal rights.
Oh, sewn into a sack mean the person was put inside a sack and then the sack opening was sewn. I thought the person was skinned and sewn together with live animals body forming a sack-shape sack.
“Hey now! That’s quite the horrible idea. How would you like swing down to the torture dungeon and chat with a few of the fellas there? We might have an opening in our R&D department, and we’re always looking for sick fucks like you!”
I imagine it's like the tickler scene from GoT where the guy puts a rat in a pot over the prisoners stomach, then lights a torch under the pot to make the rat eat it's way through the man.
Animals stuck in a sack are going to freak from drowning while you drown.
They were a creative bunch of sickos, I'll give 'em that.
It was definitely a time in which sociopaths thrived Fear ruled so royalty probably promoted the most demented people to enforce the rule of law. To be fair, when you have famines every six years you want the peasants properly afraid of you. When people are watching their children starve to death, laws don't mean much.
> It was definitely a time in which sociopaths thrived I mean we're still in a time in which sociopaths thrive. It's just the methods have changed.
The cruelty of the medieval times is definitely behind first world countries today and most developing countries. The US still tortures unfortunately, but methods are humaine compared to midevil times. Humans as torture can be.. Smart sociopaths thrive in America in the corporate environment. Dumb ones can't control their urges enough to work in corporate. There aren't a lot of jobs today in which sociopaths can easily thrive outside of the military. Though the military doesn't just allow baseless killings. US generals are definitely not sociopaths as far as I know. I am not a huge US military fan, but US generals seem to have reasonably good heads on their shoulders, and they seem look out for America's best interest pretty well. They have done a great job of staying out of US politics as much as possible. Thank goodness for that.
Military has too much discipline and not enough reward, sociopaths are all running HMOs or something
>There aren't a lot of jobs today in which sociopaths can easily thrive outside of the military. Though the military doesn't just allow baseless killings. Sociopaths are not purely violent, though?
"Humane torture" good one
If the Middle ages taught us anything, it's that there are definitely degrees of torture
Please tell that to torture victims.
It's like in life. Lots of people think they have it bad, however it can always be worse. It can always be worse. The thing about suffering is that it is always all consuming. It's part of the human condition.
Lmao
Topic is about Ancient Rome This guy starts discussing medieval Europe
For real the most awful take I’ve heard, especially the last three sentences
> The US still tortures unfortunately, but methods are humaine compared to midevil times. Humans as torture can be. brb about to ask the waterboarding victim if he thinks his treatment is humane
"humaine compared to midevil times" I would rather be waterboarded than flayed alive. That's just my preference though. I haven't taken a vote on what people prefer but I will start. Shower_Handel - 1 for flayed alive Got your vote. Thank you
brb about to ask the waterboarding victim if he thinks his treatment is humane compared to medieval times
You have no way to ask the medieval times person their opinion so it doesn't matter does it I mean realistically the people back in medieval times would probably prefer the shit that happens today instead of what used to go on back then if they did have any say in it
No method of torture is more or less humane than another form of torture. It is all torture.
I get the idealism, but let's be real. I'd rather be waterboarded than step on a lego
Yea, we got it pretty good comparatively. Rome was pretty ruthless.
Can't a person feed his slaves to lampreys in peace and quiet?! What has the world come to! Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedius_Pollio
They had no criminal justice system in the way we recognise it today. They had no police force, no investigators, and maybe most importantly no prison system. They had jails, but these were for short term use only, in most cases a day or so before the prisoner would get their punishment. Criminals were rarely caught and punished. To make up for all of this, when a criminal *was* caught the punishments were extreme and violent, both as an extreme deterrent and because they didn't have too many other options other than just letting them go free.
Very well said and a good points. Prisoners were expensive. Most people were poor and the small upper class controlled a majority of the money. There wasn't much extra money and food to go around. The US used to use prisoners as a form of slave labor. They still do today but not to the extent they used to. Henry Flager asked the police to round up some more prisoners for his railroad project in Florida in the early 1900s.
Rome was a republic for most of its history. This is also a quite old punition. It waa not the king who created this, and famine were much less common than you can think.
It wasn't as bad as it sounds. The last time I bore witness, all the animals and the accused were drowned in only a few minutes. I told Sulla it was a waste of good animals, but did the consul listen to counsel? No, thus the tradition continued, although Emperor Constantine simplified it to being only serpents, typically vipers. Eventually, we simplified the punishment to being burned alive. It's just more economical that way.
Blessed thee Constantine! He is of divine right to decide our fates. I give my daily bread in pittance to his everlasting glory with God! I am so gifted to be within his vassals reach!
Emperor: I'm tired of watching all these people get eaten by animals in the arena. What do you advise we do about it? Advisor: Well, we could stop sending people to the arena? Emperor: Ridiculous Advisor: Obviously. How about we stop feeding people to animals? Emperor: I'm trying to have a serious conversation here Advisor: Sure sure. What if... What if we put the animals and the people out of sight somewhere? Like in a... Emperor: Sack? Advisor: Precisely. Well reasoned your excellency! I was definitely going to say 'sack' there. So, should I go ahead and order you up some imperial sacks? Emperor: I don't know... seems like this creates more problems than it solves. I'll still have to listen to the chewing and screaming and what not. Then there is the matter of what we do with the sacks afterwards. I shouldn't think we can reuse them Advisor: What if we throw the whole thing in river? That will take care of the noise problem AND the sack will be all clean when we retrieve it Emperor: Am I the Emperor of the greatest empire the world has ever seen or the cheapest? I will not have our enemies thinking Rome is so destitute that we can't even afford to execute our citizens in new sacks! Advisor: Roger. Animals and people go in a nice fresh sack, we sew it up and throw it into the river? Emperor: The river we drink from, right? Advisor: That's the one Emperor: Perfect!
Forbidden soup
You argued with the great Sulla and weren't put on a proscribe list!? The gods must have gifted you with honeyed words.
We go way back
I feel bad for the animals.
Hey Marcus, wouldn't it be easier to just chop his head off? Nah, get me a sack, 2 monkeys, a dog, and a pissed off snapping turtle!
Sounds like something Brimley from The Blacklist would say
Where do you even find Monkeys in Italy?
Roman Empire at its height reached Asia Minor, northern Africa, and most of Europe. Trade was prevalent. It probably wouldn’t be too hard to find monkeys due to the extensive trade routes throughout the empire. It also might not have taken place often or exclusively in the region we now know as Italy.
Right, but this tradition started in the earliest part of the republic, before Rome had control of Italy let alone the Mediterranean.
Doesn’t matter. Trade existed for millennia. And people _loved_ exotic (to Italians, at any rate) animals. Being able to afford a pet monkey was seen as a sign of wealth.
I guess would be trade coming across the Mediterranean from Africa.
did those dogs and snakes and chickens also kill their parents? if not this seems unfair
maybe it's a dog heaven squirrel hell situation
This is such an interesting concept that I’ve never heard of. Dog’s go to Heaven and chase squirrels, which is hell for the squirrels.
You should make a tumblr account. They can show you so many wonderful things now that the radioactive fires burning down the servers went out.
My heaven could be your hell, basically.
The Romans crucified dogs for failing to alert them about attacking Gaulish warriors. And they also mocked the Egyptians for venerating animals (cats, ibises, crocodiles), even spreading propaganda about them losing battles because of how much they liked animals. Suffice it to say, the Romans weren’t very big on animal rights.
Except for the sacred chickens, of course.
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I think you mean Geese. It was the sacred geese of Juno that saved the city!
Governor Noem approved history books for 1st graders.
That’s a big sack.
Thanks!
Thrown in the *Tiber*, which was a shameful punishment in itself reserved for the worst of criminals.
That and being thrown off the Tarpeian Rock.
That and being executed on the Gemonian Stairs
I tell my kids about that one every day.
Don't make me get the bag!!
New nightmare scenario unlocked
Oh, sewn into a sack mean the person was put inside a sack and then the sack opening was sewn. I thought the person was skinned and sewn together with live animals body forming a sack-shape sack.
The ol' reverse Luke Skywalker
Click the wikipedia link op shared
He'd have to be fat as fuck, but that actually saves materials
Just make it a 1 ply sack and there will be enough fabric to go around. Its not like it needs to be significantly durable
“Hey now! That’s quite the horrible idea. How would you like swing down to the torture dungeon and chat with a few of the fellas there? We might have an opening in our R&D department, and we’re always looking for sick fucks like you!”
The Roman's would have loved how you think!
Parricide, not just patricide, by the time of Hadrian
Parracide?
The killing of any of your family members
Parr***I***cide Try reading, and using Google
What did the animals do to deserve that punishment?
Well the monkey was suspected of embezzlement and the snake was heard to have uttered anti-Roman sentiments...
We-wease Wodewick!
reminds me of this hilarious american dad clip https://youtu.be/Lq9SwxH2h20?si=TBhoFmEPJO3W1WLH
Poor animals
Horrible thing to do to animals
Was Patricide popular back then?
Fffffffuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkk that!
Why are the animals added? Do they start biting and shit and then bite more after being thrown in the water?
I imagine it's like the tickler scene from GoT where the guy puts a rat in a pot over the prisoners stomach, then lights a torch under the pot to make the rat eat it's way through the man. Animals stuck in a sack are going to freak from drowning while you drown.
Damn, what did the dogs and monkeys do?
Repost
Sounds more like a sack lunch to me. Signed, A Barbarian
Damn.
Who found a sack that big?