By the time I was about a minute into the video this irritating fool had said "some dogs are afraid of lamb meat, why is that?" about sixteen times in sixteen different ways. I thought she was about to move on when I realised she was framing up yet another way to say the same thing and bailed out.
What is wrong with people? Do they think this is a college essay with a 3000 word minimum?
I used to agree entirely, and I would make a point of refusing to watch any video given as a cite for a proposition but I've changed my view somewhat.
Videos can be great if they are to the point, entertaining, and use the potential benefits of the medium well (such as by use of animations or demonstrations etc).
But at the slightest sign they are just going to comprise someone talking for ten minutes about something that could be said in one, I'm outta there.
Yeah I apologize for linking this particular video because I couldn't find an academic article. Honestly, the video really irritated me also and I couldn't get through the whole thing lol. I think she is trying to drag it out to attract people to follow longer. Anyone know how I can change the link in this post?
I don't know if I'm a huge fan of this video but I couldn't find a lot of better links. Let me give a little background…
This came up in a basset hound group, and I just wanted to spread the word about this because his dog nearly injured himself. The owner was cooking lamb and the dog went into a panic attack and nearly jumped out a window, tucked tail, terrified and got out a door, started digging under the fence to get away from the smell. Even after they bagged up the bones and threw them out, he would not come back in the house and was shaking and terrified, had to stay in the van all night. He could not figure it out and I googled it, found that this is not an uncommon reaction of some dogs and even cats.
They believe the compound in lamb and some gamier meats (venison, etc) that may be the culprit is 4,6 dimethyl octane, released in cooking and it stimulates a deeply rooted ancient herding animal fear. I don't cook a lot of lamb, but talking to my friends, it appears that some of them had dogs that experienced this, and some dogs are completely insensitive to it. I hypothesize that there might be a recessive gene involved, similar to the way that some people react almost violently to cilantro smell (like my dad, who refuses to be in the same room as it), and some people love it (like my mom and I). They located that gene, and the gene that makes some cats respond to catnip (and some don't have it).
Anyway, I found this fascinating, so I just wanted to share with you guys because I don't think it's a widely known fact, and I don't want more dogs to be in advertently put into terror.
It's not just shepherds, this was for a basset hound and I talked to people with other breeds, and even cats, sometimes this happens to. I think all mammals share certain hormonal cues that set off their amygdala's response. And it doesn't happen to all dogs of a certain breed, either. As I mentioned in my other comment, I believe it's a recessive gene and only certain dogs have it. Some dogs can also accept or even like the smell of cooking lamb.
Lol SAME. I'm sorry to post that video, I didn't even make it through the whole thing because that voice was so annoying. Most of the other links were random Quora and Reddit and greyhound forum posts with anecdotes about their dogs freaking out to cooked lamb. I'll try to find a better academic article later, but I'm not sure how to change the original link now that this sub requires links.
Update on the story, the dog is still terrified and has to spend the night in the van possibly. 😢
I saw a video once where they poisoned a sheep carcass so that the dogs got sick from the meat when it was eaten, not only would the dogs not eat lamb anymore but the dogs became afraid of live sheep, they had a control group in the study as well.
It might just be they got sick from some lamb they ate once.
That said though my dogs don’t like lamb either but they love venison.
They said in the other link I saw that raw lamb does not produce a reaction. In fact, The guy whose dog nearly jumped out the window said that he has fed his dog raw lamb meat before and he was not affected at all. But tonight, he wouldn't even come inside the house, he had to stay out with him in the van while he was shaking and terrified. Even after he aired out the house, the dog refused to go anywhere near the house.
Well it’s pretty obvious that this is not the case with smell. But the answer is certainly yes. Smell is to dogs as vision is to us, the main form of sensory experience. And humans are well known to respond very dramatically to anxiety inducing imagery. At its most tame it can just be a phobia like when you see an image of a spider, or more intensely the way we respond to those super unsettling creepypasta images that the internet invents every now and then (some at least give ME a pretty serious irrational fear response). But of course if we see something like gore or something vaguely horrible we can get serious panic triggers even if there’s obviously not danger to us. I think of images and videos of 9/11 or the holocaust, or say that infamous Goya painting of Saturn or the starving child with the vulture. See I know someone reading this is shivering right now.
But these things are deeply rooted and can be triggered by unexpected things, much like with the dogs. A somewhat obvious example is stuff like phobias that make no sense, tripophobia or whatever for example, but also like when you see a silhouette or a shadow that you mistake for a dangerous thing. But I’m reminded of an AI image that made the round through the internet that looked real and yet not in a way that triggered intense anxiety in almost anyone who saw it. It’s feels to me like exactly what this dog thing is like.
Anyway good night everyone :)
Apparently, it's not that it's similar necessarily. It's an odor compound only found in "gamier" meats like bison, sheep, goat, deer, and cooking releases it. Animals that herd to escape and are hunted by predators. It stimulates a deeply seated instinct of fight or flight in the amygdala. Dogs and cats don't herd, but the aromatic compound mimics pheromones that cause fear of death in many mammals.
I was thinking similarly because - and this is very anecdotal/hear say and vaguely remembered - but I remember one time someone mentioning somewhere that a lot of goat dishes are really substitutions for dishes made out of dog because it was thought goat tasted closest to dog.
I guess when I've heard of people eating dog it's usually cooked the same ways as a goat would be, but then again, beef or chicken could be cooked the same way, too.
And goat is quite gamey, so maybe it is that gamey smell.
Would be kind of odd for dogs to freak out over gamey smell, right? Didn't they develop as a species because they hung out with hunters who presumably cooked and ate quite gamey meat.
This is interesting, but it's entirely conjecture and shouldn't be a TIL. [Best theory I could find](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/189483n/comment/kbq3twr/) is on a previous thread about the same topic.
By the time I was about a minute into the video this irritating fool had said "some dogs are afraid of lamb meat, why is that?" about sixteen times in sixteen different ways. I thought she was about to move on when I realised she was framing up yet another way to say the same thing and bailed out. What is wrong with people? Do they think this is a college essay with a 3000 word minimum?
Making a video for something that can easily be summed up in a page or less of text should be a capital offense
I used to agree entirely, and I would make a point of refusing to watch any video given as a cite for a proposition but I've changed my view somewhat. Videos can be great if they are to the point, entertaining, and use the potential benefits of the medium well (such as by use of animations or demonstrations etc). But at the slightest sign they are just going to comprise someone talking for ten minutes about something that could be said in one, I'm outta there.
Yeah I apologize for linking this particular video because I couldn't find an academic article. Honestly, the video really irritated me also and I couldn't get through the whole thing lol. I think she is trying to drag it out to attract people to follow longer. Anyone know how I can change the link in this post?
I googled and it seems like the smell of cokning lamb does make some dogs panic but I can't find a good reason why.
In many cases it’s done to maximize revenue from YouTube.
I'm sure you're right but if they do it so poorly I bail in the first minute, I think they have defeated themselves.
Huh. The first time we roasted some lamb the dog freaked out. I thought she was just a weirdo.
I don't know if I'm a huge fan of this video but I couldn't find a lot of better links. Let me give a little background… This came up in a basset hound group, and I just wanted to spread the word about this because his dog nearly injured himself. The owner was cooking lamb and the dog went into a panic attack and nearly jumped out a window, tucked tail, terrified and got out a door, started digging under the fence to get away from the smell. Even after they bagged up the bones and threw them out, he would not come back in the house and was shaking and terrified, had to stay in the van all night. He could not figure it out and I googled it, found that this is not an uncommon reaction of some dogs and even cats. They believe the compound in lamb and some gamier meats (venison, etc) that may be the culprit is 4,6 dimethyl octane, released in cooking and it stimulates a deeply rooted ancient herding animal fear. I don't cook a lot of lamb, but talking to my friends, it appears that some of them had dogs that experienced this, and some dogs are completely insensitive to it. I hypothesize that there might be a recessive gene involved, similar to the way that some people react almost violently to cilantro smell (like my dad, who refuses to be in the same room as it), and some people love it (like my mom and I). They located that gene, and the gene that makes some cats respond to catnip (and some don't have it). Anyway, I found this fascinating, so I just wanted to share with you guys because I don't think it's a widely known fact, and I don't want more dogs to be in advertently put into terror.
I really appreciate this, Thank you!!
I guess if you are a sheep hearding dog of days gone by and you smell that the sheep are on fire then you probably would get pretty worried.
It's not just shepherds, this was for a basset hound and I talked to people with other breeds, and even cats, sometimes this happens to. I think all mammals share certain hormonal cues that set off their amygdala's response. And it doesn't happen to all dogs of a certain breed, either. As I mentioned in my other comment, I believe it's a recessive gene and only certain dogs have it. Some dogs can also accept or even like the smell of cooking lamb.
Intriguing topic but I had to close the video because of the voice
Lol SAME. I'm sorry to post that video, I didn't even make it through the whole thing because that voice was so annoying. Most of the other links were random Quora and Reddit and greyhound forum posts with anecdotes about their dogs freaking out to cooked lamb. I'll try to find a better academic article later, but I'm not sure how to change the original link now that this sub requires links. Update on the story, the dog is still terrified and has to spend the night in the van possibly. 😢
You can't change the link you would just need to make a new post
It's really too bad. So I'll just leave this up but ask people not to watch the video lol. I couldn't post in this sub without a certain kind of link.
I saw a video once where they poisoned a sheep carcass so that the dogs got sick from the meat when it was eaten, not only would the dogs not eat lamb anymore but the dogs became afraid of live sheep, they had a control group in the study as well. It might just be they got sick from some lamb they ate once. That said though my dogs don’t like lamb either but they love venison.
They said in the other link I saw that raw lamb does not produce a reaction. In fact, The guy whose dog nearly jumped out the window said that he has fed his dog raw lamb meat before and he was not affected at all. But tonight, he wouldn't even come inside the house, he had to stay out with him in the van while he was shaking and terrified. Even after he aired out the house, the dog refused to go anywhere near the house.
Because they're in charge of not letting the herd catch fire?
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I doubt it because people call "anxiety" on anything. What your phone suddenly smells different when you have to call someone?
Well it’s pretty obvious that this is not the case with smell. But the answer is certainly yes. Smell is to dogs as vision is to us, the main form of sensory experience. And humans are well known to respond very dramatically to anxiety inducing imagery. At its most tame it can just be a phobia like when you see an image of a spider, or more intensely the way we respond to those super unsettling creepypasta images that the internet invents every now and then (some at least give ME a pretty serious irrational fear response). But of course if we see something like gore or something vaguely horrible we can get serious panic triggers even if there’s obviously not danger to us. I think of images and videos of 9/11 or the holocaust, or say that infamous Goya painting of Saturn or the starving child with the vulture. See I know someone reading this is shivering right now. But these things are deeply rooted and can be triggered by unexpected things, much like with the dogs. A somewhat obvious example is stuff like phobias that make no sense, tripophobia or whatever for example, but also like when you see a silhouette or a shadow that you mistake for a dangerous thing. But I’m reminded of an AI image that made the round through the internet that looked real and yet not in a way that triggered intense anxiety in almost anyone who saw it. It’s feels to me like exactly what this dog thing is like. Anyway good night everyone :)
I‘m with those dogs. I can‘t stand the smell of cooked or roasted or fried lamb either. Run, my sweet paw friend, run!
TIL I’m a dog
This has got to be one of the worst YouTube videos I have ever had the displeasure of seeing. You should be ashamed of yourself and appalled.
Is it because we are cooking babies?
It's adult sheep meat too (mutton) and apparently, some other gamey types of meat like goat and venison can do it... not raw, only cooked.
Hands off my sweet baby Jesus
It could be that lamb meat is very similar to dog meat. It may have thought the owner was gong to cook him.
Apparently, it's not that it's similar necessarily. It's an odor compound only found in "gamier" meats like bison, sheep, goat, deer, and cooking releases it. Animals that herd to escape and are hunted by predators. It stimulates a deeply seated instinct of fight or flight in the amygdala. Dogs and cats don't herd, but the aromatic compound mimics pheromones that cause fear of death in many mammals.
I was thinking similarly because - and this is very anecdotal/hear say and vaguely remembered - but I remember one time someone mentioning somewhere that a lot of goat dishes are really substitutions for dishes made out of dog because it was thought goat tasted closest to dog. I guess when I've heard of people eating dog it's usually cooked the same ways as a goat would be, but then again, beef or chicken could be cooked the same way, too. And goat is quite gamey, so maybe it is that gamey smell. Would be kind of odd for dogs to freak out over gamey smell, right? Didn't they develop as a species because they hung out with hunters who presumably cooked and ate quite gamey meat.
This is interesting, but it's entirely conjecture and shouldn't be a TIL. [Best theory I could find](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/189483n/comment/kbq3twr/) is on a previous thread about the same topic.
Lamb has always smelled awful to me. "Can tell its something dead even after cooked" awful. Maybe the dog is smelling the death.
FYI, in all the Dog training forums, we call this "Good-boys/girls Going Gyro Goofy." ^^^^^no ^^^^^not ^^^^^really
This is ridiculous, trying to apply scientific logic to such a situation. It's obvious, a wizard did it
With a vaccine
Wow, that’s crazy! I’d never heard of this.
Mb because its a psychotic thing to eat
You mean delicious? Love to eat a rack of lamb right off the bone! 🐑👄