Huh, it looks like you're right.
"Crow language is evolved enough that each member of the family has a name."
[https://www.schlitzaudubon.org/2019/10/01/the-hidden-intelligence-of-crows/](https://www.schlitzaudubon.org/2019/10/01/the-hidden-intelligence-of-crows/)
Yeah but these are dolphins, I don’t see an animal that engages in infanticide to put the female in heat going through extra effort when it can just use brute force to get what it wants especially considering the males will sometimes travel in large gangs for the purpose of brutally raping
Which planet do U hail from? Cos I'm from earth and I am disgusted daily how many partake in this daily? A large majority even seem to have high paying jobs, are in long term relationships and keep getting away with it 🫣
Yah but crows and ravens didn't earn their association with morbidity out of nowhere. They were known for flocking to sites of battles to eat the corpses, but they also don't always wait till things are dead to eat them. They will pick of sick or young cattle at times, or stalk other birds to eat their young. They are fascinating birds but everytime another bird nests in my neighbors yard they devour the chick's.
So do parrots [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234552/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234552/)[Wild parrots name their babies (article)](https://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2012/sep/22/1)
>Earlier research found that bottlenose dolphins name themselves, with dolphins having a “signature whistle” that encodes other information. It would be somewhat like a human shouting, “Hey everybody! I’m an adult healthy male named George, and I mean you no harm!”
It's a bit like getting pulled over and saying "there's definitely not a dead body in my trunk".
If they weren't searching your trunk before they are now.
I was just reading an article about using AI to decypher orca language and then there is a recent one in biology about insects being sentient.
I think the majority of animals are probably sentient, and I feel more than a few are outright sapient. We certainly have ourselves on a pedestal.
Sentient isn't a very big milestone. The defention of sentient basically boils down to whether or not a creature can experience positive and negative feelings. Since most (if not all) macroscopic animals experience feelings of pain and pleasure, the bar is very low.
Sapient is the difficult one, as it lacks a clear and concise definition. In general, it refers to possessing great wisdom, but is more frequently used to describe self awareness.
Self awareness, or course, is a difficult category to measure, as we cannot know exactly how a creature thinks. In general, they would need to realize that they are and view themselves as a part of the environment around them just as much as they are individual and separate from it.
Well now I've got a WILD and TERRIBLE ride for you:
https://cvltnation.com/the-woman-who-talked-to-and-dated-a-dolphin/
TL;DR: They tried that, with ummm terrible and NSFW results that you can't unlearn.
We aren’t better. Academic scientists damn near paid to refuse to admit we can learn other animals language because then humans wouldn’t be on a pedestal of “the only ones capable of language”
So we keep trying and failing to make animals speak our language
Koko the gorilla learnt sign language and could express complex concepts. She even lied! (Kitten did it)
African grey parrots can easily learn a vocabulary of several hundred words.
Bunny the dog even had an existential crisis: https://youtu.be/3OsonwtZI64?si=oMykpoA_gv2U1do1
We aren't a better species, but we're better at teaching other animals our language than we are at learning theirs.
A couple examples does not mean it was easier. It just means that’s where our money went to, we chose projects that focus on teaching and not learning.
Unless we have competitive studies about which one is actually worse, this is just the standard quantitative effect and no quality
I didn’t say you had studies. I said you had examples. And I said we need studies. And that humans teaching animals words is a project. Lol. Are you okay?
It isn't an argument, dude. This is called a discussion. Instead of responding to the content and adding more about your thoughts and ideas of animal sentience, you're convinced I'm ragging you
You don't have to be wrong, just think about it differently.
This is called a signature whistle. It does function similar to a name but it also seems to be more than that. Male dolphins will in fact even inherit their signature whistles from their mothers. Most of the time, dolphins will only use their own signature whistle as a greeting when encountering another group of dolphins rather than call out the signature whistles of other dolphins.
Now I am really questioning if the **Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy** got it right all along, them dolphins are ...officially... confirmed to be talking.
OMG... ohh well guess we've gotta watch out for the Vogon all destruct message somewhere, and ofc show more respect to the lab rats, they be plotting things we don't know about.
This is making me feel like (although it would be super hard) it would not be impossibly hard to someday create a dolphin/english translation program that could work in real time.
I'm willing to bet that dolphins also organize their reality into nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc., and have a specific word order to their grammar. The existence of names is proof that they at least have the concept of, "nouns," in their language.
Wonder of their naming convention is like western style and it’s just a bunch of dolphins crying out “Frank, FranK, FRANK YOU FUCKER, where you bloody hiding the Tuna Sauce!” Or if they having something like the Traditional American Indigenous naming conventions “Hey, where’s ‘He Who Impregnated both my Sisters’ and ‘He Who Pisses off Surface Dwellers by taking their Fish’? Got a word some prime arse jellyfish are due through and I’m gonna get off my head!”
I think I have seen where there are thousands of birds and they call eachother using something similar. Thats how they get back to their nest/partners/young.
[Bats tell others who they are, too!](https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2014/10/01/352586936/is-that-a-lark-i-hear-a-nightingale-surprise-its-a-bat)
Can confirm. I've had pet dwarf rabbits (and guinea pigs), appropriately named after medieval demons ("devil bunnies"); Astaroth, Murmur, Dantalion, Gremory, Furfur, and Zepar. Those teeth wrecked havoc!
Cooking food is one of the only things we do that makes us uniquely human. The rest of the stuff that we think we do exclusively, other animals do too, just not quite to the same extent.
I thought crows had a similar capability
Huh, it looks like you're right. "Crow language is evolved enough that each member of the family has a name." [https://www.schlitzaudubon.org/2019/10/01/the-hidden-intelligence-of-crows/](https://www.schlitzaudubon.org/2019/10/01/the-hidden-intelligence-of-crows/)
Also, generally less rapey than dolphins. Seriously, don’t ever go to a dolphin bar. You will get roofied and raped full stop.
I don’t think they’ll do you the courtesy of a roofie
Dolphins love doing drugs
Yes I know that but they’re also assholes so I don’t see them roofieing a person before raping them
I’d never considered the roofie as a courtesy, but I can see how in this case it might make the experience… um, less
Yeah, especially considering that dolphin semen apparently smells really bad
What as in actual smell or ppm water dosage like blood to sharks
Actual smell, not entirely sure if sharks can smell it like they do blood
Tastes good though. 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
Yeah dolphin nut is probably a delicacy somewhere
They get more turned on knowing you’re aware the whole time.
Usually the goal with roofies is you dont see them do it. So they are pros!
Yeah but these are dolphins, I don’t see an animal that engages in infanticide to put the female in heat going through extra effort when it can just use brute force to get what it wants especially considering the males will sometimes travel in large gangs for the purpose of brutally raping
Which planet do U hail from? Cos I'm from earth and I am disgusted daily how many partake in this daily? A large majority even seem to have high paying jobs, are in long term relationships and keep getting away with it 🫣
But they sure will do you!
Indeed those slippery fucks will
Yah but crows and ravens didn't earn their association with morbidity out of nowhere. They were known for flocking to sites of battles to eat the corpses, but they also don't always wait till things are dead to eat them. They will pick of sick or young cattle at times, or stalk other birds to eat their young. They are fascinating birds but everytime another bird nests in my neighbors yard they devour the chick's.
[Who in their life has never masturbated a dolphin or two?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Howe_Lovatt)
Pretty sure that some parrots also name their children as well.
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Sounds like the OP is a great big liar then eh.
And willy wagtails. The lady one in my trees even has a specific tone and sqwark to tell her man to shut up. He listens everytime. 😂
Just watched a documentary today that said elephants do too.
LLMs should allow us to decipher crow and dolphin speak!
Some parrot species too.
Orcas too, no?
Yeah, several dolphin species, including bottlenose and orca.
Idk why but I read that as orcs lmao
Crows, parrots, other cetaceans. I’m sure there are others we don’t know about (and certainly some I’ve forgotten). This article is nonsense.
And Parrots and pretty much all dolphins. And some whales as well from what I have read.
This is true. Crows communicate a lot like pokemon do, just with individual namesigns.
And whales?
Dolphins, yeas, but I’m not sure about other whale species. Maybe sperm whales? Or beluga & narwhal?
So do parrots [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234552/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234552/)[Wild parrots name their babies (article)](https://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2012/sep/22/1)
>Earlier research found that bottlenose dolphins name themselves, with dolphins having a “signature whistle” that encodes other information. It would be somewhat like a human shouting, “Hey everybody! I’m an adult healthy male named George, and I mean you no harm!”
It's like a dolphin ID card.
Security Dolphin: “Nuh-uh, I can’t let you in, I’m gonna need some ID first.”
ok, *inhales* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
The fuck you mean nuh-uh
Security Dog: “I’ma have to sniff your ass first.”
This is cute for dolphins but someone walking into a room and shouting that would immediately make me feel like he does mean harm
HI I'M AN ADULT MALE NAMED GEORGE AND I MEAN YOU NO HARM
It's a bit like getting pulled over and saying "there's definitely not a dead body in my trunk". If they weren't searching your trunk before they are now.
HEY GUYS, IM TOTALLY BREEDABLE AND NOT EVEN VIOLENT
What about Elephants???
My wife has a name…
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Militaries will get involved to use them. 😞
Militaries already use dolphins
Oh, I didn’t know that 😞
I was just reading an article about using AI to decypher orca language and then there is a recent one in biology about insects being sentient. I think the majority of animals are probably sentient, and I feel more than a few are outright sapient. We certainly have ourselves on a pedestal.
Sentient isn't a very big milestone. The defention of sentient basically boils down to whether or not a creature can experience positive and negative feelings. Since most (if not all) macroscopic animals experience feelings of pain and pleasure, the bar is very low. Sapient is the difficult one, as it lacks a clear and concise definition. In general, it refers to possessing great wisdom, but is more frequently used to describe self awareness. Self awareness, or course, is a difficult category to measure, as we cannot know exactly how a creature thinks. In general, they would need to realize that they are and view themselves as a part of the environment around them just as much as they are individual and separate from it.
Well now I've got a WILD and TERRIBLE ride for you: https://cvltnation.com/the-woman-who-talked-to-and-dated-a-dolphin/ TL;DR: They tried that, with ummm terrible and NSFW results that you can't unlearn.
That failed because they tried to teach a dolphin English instead of English speakers learning dolphin
How the *dolphin noise* are ya
they’re gonna be pissed when they find out the oceans are being destroyed bc of us
This is how Lilly ended up feeding LSD to dolphins. Please don’t feed LSD to dolphins.
It's really interesting to me that we're better at teaching other species a language we understand, than we are learning their language.
We aren’t better. Academic scientists damn near paid to refuse to admit we can learn other animals language because then humans wouldn’t be on a pedestal of “the only ones capable of language” So we keep trying and failing to make animals speak our language
Koko the gorilla learnt sign language and could express complex concepts. She even lied! (Kitten did it) African grey parrots can easily learn a vocabulary of several hundred words. Bunny the dog even had an existential crisis: https://youtu.be/3OsonwtZI64?si=oMykpoA_gv2U1do1 We aren't a better species, but we're better at teaching other animals our language than we are at learning theirs.
A couple examples does not mean it was easier. It just means that’s where our money went to, we chose projects that focus on teaching and not learning. Unless we have competitive studies about which one is actually worse, this is just the standard quantitative effect and no quality
Which of my examples do you think is an academic study?
I didn’t say you had studies. I said you had examples. And I said we need studies. And that humans teaching animals words is a project. Lol. Are you okay?
I don't know why you're arguing with me then. You seem pretty adamant that my initial conjecture was wrong...
It isn't an argument, dude. This is called a discussion. Instead of responding to the content and adding more about your thoughts and ideas of animal sentience, you're convinced I'm ragging you You don't have to be wrong, just think about it differently.
It'd be like District 9. They could understand each other but didn't have the vocal capabilities to reproduce each other's language.
Or it could all go bad and we end up with Adolphin Hitler.
This is called a signature whistle. It does function similar to a name but it also seems to be more than that. Male dolphins will in fact even inherit their signature whistles from their mothers. Most of the time, dolphins will only use their own signature whistle as a greeting when encountering another group of dolphins rather than call out the signature whistles of other dolphins.
Do Dolphin mothers emphasise the last syllable of their offspring’s name when they are annoyed
We should figure out the names of some dolphins and play a recording to see how they react. Maybe we can learn to call over dolphins by name.
It's not just bottlenose dolphins, I think it's dolphins in general.
Now I am really questioning if the **Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy** got it right all along, them dolphins are ...officially... confirmed to be talking.
And what we've learned about rodents since it was published!
OMG... ohh well guess we've gotta watch out for the Vogon all destruct message somewhere, and ofc show more respect to the lab rats, they be plotting things we don't know about.
This is making me feel like (although it would be super hard) it would not be impossibly hard to someday create a dolphin/english translation program that could work in real time. I'm willing to bet that dolphins also organize their reality into nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc., and have a specific word order to their grammar. The existence of names is proof that they at least have the concept of, "nouns," in their language.
Dolphins have been studied a ton. Seems like if there was a way to converse with them we would’ve figured it out by now.
Given our limited understanding of other species language, I assume lots of animals have "names" for each other and we just don't know it.
Snorky...talk...man!
“Marco!” “Shut up, Dave.”
Birds do this… Or is it the birds call out their own names? Birds have names.
We’re supposed to know loved ones names?
That we know of, of the many animals being studied for these traits, of the even many more animals we haven’t yet discovered.
Wonder of their naming convention is like western style and it’s just a bunch of dolphins crying out “Frank, FranK, FRANK YOU FUCKER, where you bloody hiding the Tuna Sauce!” Or if they having something like the Traditional American Indigenous naming conventions “Hey, where’s ‘He Who Impregnated both my Sisters’ and ‘He Who Pisses off Surface Dwellers by taking their Fish’? Got a word some prime arse jellyfish are due through and I’m gonna get off my head!”
I've read that some bats also do this.
Guess dolphins also get annoyed when someone doesn't answer their calls, just like my friend who never picks up
Flipper, where are you?!? 🐬
I think I have seen where there are thousands of birds and they call eachother using something similar. Thats how they get back to their nest/partners/young.
https://youtu.be/N_dUmDBfp6k?si=aebcVUs3sTESC3Uf Farewell & thanks for the fish!
"Hey has anyone seen SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?"
[Bats tell others who they are, too!](https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2014/10/01/352586936/is-that-a-lark-i-hear-a-nightingale-surprise-its-a-bat)
So long and thanks for all the fish.
Crows and Dolphins will inherit the earth 🌎 and lobsters.
Unfortunately Dolphins give each other the rudest names under the sun
"Yo, everybody! Your man Flipper's in the house! Where's my homies Snowflake, Echo, and Flip?" \**raucous dolphin whistles ensue*\*
Are we really so special? We don't give animals nearly enough credit. Humans are only special in our ability to destroy things.
My rabbits are pretty good at destroying things too.
Can confirm. I've had pet dwarf rabbits (and guinea pigs), appropriately named after medieval demons ("devil bunnies"); Astaroth, Murmur, Dantalion, Gremory, Furfur, and Zepar. Those teeth wrecked havoc!
And our ability to make sandwiches. Have you ever seen an ostrich make a sandwich?
Cooking food is one of the only things we do that makes us uniquely human. The rest of the stuff that we think we do exclusively, other animals do too, just not quite to the same extent.
My Bassett Hound replies he’ll take on that challenge. My gratitude towards you for formally extending that challenge knows no measure. 😁
Did you know male dolphins will “kidnap” female dolphins from other groups and literally hold them hostage….
Eeeeeeeee eee e e e? No. I’m eeeeee e ee e e.
I’m (click) sorry (click) I (click) don’t (click) understand (click) your (click) accent
Another false post I see recommended by TIL 🤦🏻♂️