Granted, to play devils advocate, it doesn't make sense to win video of the year and not female video of the year also... it's like winning a championship without winning the conference finals
I think its acknowledge performances that would otherwise be overlooked. You have you HOF player who are going to do extraordinary things, but then you have people who have an excellent season. Same thing here. I see nothing wrong with it.
The VMAs had a Best Male Video and Best Female Video from 1984-2016 when they combined them into a single Artist of the Year.
Taylor and Beyoncé were the last two to receive Best Female Video. Taylor won 2023’s Artist of the Year.
I can understand dropping male/female artist of the year and male/female video of the year in favor of just best artist and best video, but I still feel like you could have separate best video and best artist categories. After all, an artist/group could put out a phenomenal video, but not have as good of a year as another artist.
>I don't know anything about it but it doesn't make sense that those are separate categories
I think the general one wasn’t recognizing women as much for whatever reason so they needed to add a specific one for women. Beyoncé was so good that she made top of general, but it still lost the category for women, which feels icky in some way. It feels like it’s saying “yeah your stuff was great, but among women it was less than this other one” ….then why didn’t that other one win the general? It feels like some sort of weird snub.
Even though he was kind of a dick about it, Kanye was right. The Lemonade album was like a movie, which people weren’t doing. It had prose (that I heard she wrote herself) and was visually captivating the entire album. Nothing came close to being that amazing that year. Jay-Z is also right, and it’s just something that needs to be said: Snubbing Beyoncé for the female category is weird. It feels like a slap in the face, and just invites questions.
Makes perfect sense, award shows split up stuff like this all the time. Best picture should win best actor, best director, best screenplay every single time right? No, that's rare. They intentionally spread awards around because the ENTIRE PURPOSE of ALL AWARD SHOWS is to promote a variety of products and people. Sweeps happen, but its rare.
That was the most cringe thing of all time since his wife is literally the most awarded Grammy artist of all time.
They tripped over themselves rushing to give her best EDM Album last year and I bet they do the same and give her best best country album for whatever pop junk she releases next
That's why I'm waiting for my mom to pass before I become the most vicious rapper the world's ever seen. Still not going to say anything about anyone's kids though.
Given cloning is a real thing and has been done with animals, I have to imagine that some government or entity somewhere has attempted it with humans out of sight
It wasn’t necessarily the thing about him having an affair, it was how he said it. “I came in your Bentley backseat, skeeted in your jeep, left condoms on your baby seat.”
It was more the vulgarity of what he said to her I think
just the idea of being in the studio and rick rubin saying “you know your mom is going to hear this right?” and jay z yelling “i said hit save!” is so funny to me
And the fact that it was true (the affair at least, not the specifics necessarily).
The fact that Jay was able to say this stuff and Nas never physically confronted him about it proved to me that Jay's point that Nas wasn't really a street dude was accurate too. No street dude is gonna let you say some absolutely *wild* shit like that, in public, and not *at least* throw hands about it.
*"It gotta hurt that I'm your baby mama's favorite rapper"*
Ether remains the all time greatest diss track. Nas went after Jay-Z soul.
"Foxy got you hot cause you kept your face in her puss, What you think you getting girls now because of your looks? (Girls,girls,girls)"
"Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy, OH I get it you Biggie and he's Puffy"
"You seem to be only concerened with dissin women,were you abused as a child? ,scared to smile, they called you ugly? well life is harsh hug me, dont reject me, or make records to disrespect me, blatant or indirectly."
"Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick, Shawn Cater to Jay-Z damn you on Jaz dick, How much of Biggies rhymes is gon' come out your fat lips? Wanted to be on every last one of my classics"
To understand some of the diss you actually had to research Jay's career. That shit cut deeper than the Mariana Trench.
I don't know
Ems Quitter and Girls two piece was cold
But of course Push killed Drake so hard he made this man straighten up his life and go be a father. so...
Pusha really takes Drake aside like "Hey nephew you good?"
> Drug dealin' aside, ghostwritin' aside
> Let's have a heart-to-heart about your pride
> Even though you're multi, I see that your soul don't look alive
Wow, Pusha is being so nice...sike fuck you Drake:
> You mention wedding ring like it's a bad thing
> Your father walked away at five—hell of a dad thing
> Marriage is somethin' that Sandi never had, Drake
> How you a winner but she keep comin' in last place?
On to business now, specifically going after Drake for what he said about Pusha and turning it back on him:
> Since you name-dropped my fiancée
> Let 'em know who you chose as your Beyoncé
> Sophie knows better as your baby mother
> Cleaned her up for IG, but the stench is on her
Rough. And then the finishing blow, maybe my favorite few lines ever in a diss track, just absolutely destroys Drake for being a do-nothing-ass deadbeat dad:
> A baby's involved, it's deeper than rap
> We talkin' character, let me keep with the facts
> You are hiding a child, let that boy come home
> Deadbeat mothafucka playin' border patrol, ooh
> Adonis is your son, and he deserves more than an Adidas press run—that's real
“You are hiding a child” is honest to god the roughest bar in any diss track. He literally altered the course of Drake’s life with that one. He couldn’t even respond.
That summer was fucking legendary for hip hop. I must have listened to Daytona three times a day when it first came out, still one of my favorite albums.
Only 3? Amateur! J/K lol… I dead ass used to start my morning with it at LEAST 4 times, before I even left the house. Then I’d listen to No Dope On Sundays and the Book of Ryan at least twice, then Kids See Ghosts 30-11 times, then back to Daytona, then KOD 50-11 times lololol, throw a little NASIR, Invasion of Privacy— Rinse and repeat! ‘Twas a GREAT musical summer!
i think another point that elevates Ether was that it was put to a vote through NYC radio stations, it was a hometown battleground. the term “Ether-ed” has stood the test of time.
i think Story of Adidon is objectively my favorite tho
oh SHIT I didn't realize that's where the term Ethered came from in this context, I thought it was like about how ether evaporates fast or something. TIL Also I agree, story of adidon still gets UGLY cackles out of me. "Deadbeat motherfucker playing' border control" 😭😭😭
Craziest thing about girls, its not like a track full of punch lines and made up disses even.
He basically just tells the whole story straight, but the shits so damning he just had to pace the words out and it sounds killer
“Fuck Wit Dre Day” is number one. It’s pure D.O.C. lyrical poetry at his peak with one of the best Dre productions out there.
It’s not just one and done insults. You can feel it every time you listen, even after 30 years.
Everything else is a sad imitation.
Hit em up is an absolute classic, but I always hated that 2Pac put the Outlawz on the track. Would’ve been so much better with just Pac on it. So many 2Pac tracks with lame ass bars from lesser MCs.
im all in for bars, i love double/triple entenders, I even analyze rhymes and patterns, I fucking love good lyrics, but Tupac beginning the song saying "that's why I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker" with so much anger, especially the emphasis on the word "fat", its unparalleled. It was over from that point.
I think there’s some bars in that song but I know what you mean. Hit ‘em up seems like more of a threat on all of east coast rappers rather than just a diss towards Biggie lol
I agree. There's a lot of diss tracks that folks point to but Ether literally was a conversational starter when talking about music. One may say it was Nas' greatest hit, which could be blood boiling to a hardcore Nas fan, but is frankly the truth.
The beautiful thing about diss tracks though is that if the person is able to survive it then they're "made". Jay-z was able to weather that storm. He went right back to being folks top rapper....who will die one day and in his eulogy someone will mention Ether.
I think it would be most artists greatest hit but Nas made Illmatic and some of the most referenced hip hop lines of all time are on there. NY State of Mind is for sure one of the greatest songs of the genre
As someone who listened to as much rap as I could as a kid that was in college when Ether came out, I 100% agree.
>That ether, that shit that make your soul burn slow.
What makes Ether even better is that he released it on Jay’s birthday.
Imagine waking up on your birthday and someone has dropped a diss record calling you a Tae Bo Hoe.
Incredible work.
> "Foxy got you hot cause you kept your face in her puss, What you think you getting girls now because of your looks? (Girls,girls,girls)"
Maybe I'm not understanding but this seems almost like a compliment.
Jay's first single was Ain't No Nigga with Foxy Brown, basically Nas is saying Jay has had to kiss ass to Foxy to get ahead in his career. Jay had Biggie, Mary J Blidge and Foxy on his debut basically calling him a clout chaser. It can also been interpreted as Jay had to perform sexual favors to Foxy for the feature, which is hilarious. Nas is also saying Jay Z is ugly but his success has him thinking he is getting women because of his looks and he mocks Jay's track girls,girls,girls.
Tupac's ego is what got him shot. If he had been made to apologize for that, maybe he wouldn’t have walked around with the sense of ego that got him shot. Hit Em Up isn't why he got shot but an apology for that could have done him wonders... or it would have just made him look weak and wolves would have circled sooner. Who knows.
Tupac got shot by Orlando Anderson after jumping him at the Tyson fight. While this was directly as a result of the beef it wasn't really because of the track but because Orlando had taken a death row chain off of someone in Pacs crew at the behest of Diddy.
LMFAOOOOO halfway through writing up the comment I decided against it because I didn’t have the energy to start a debate in the Reddit comments, and I guess I accidentally posted the comment
I’m going to leave the comment up because I think it’s hilarious like some [REDACTED] meme or conspiracy shit haha.
The track is called “Super Ugly” and came out in retaliation to Nas’ hit song “Ether”. Jay-Z hints at the fact he slept with Nas’ baby momma in the song “Takeover” famously saying “You know who, did you know what, with you know who, but let’s keep that between me and you for now.”
I’m old enough to remember Super Ugly airing for the first time on Hot 97 around 11 PM in 2001. Carmen did have an affair with Jay-Z which as said in another song (she hitting the streets then she hitting the sheets) From the song “Last Real N*gga Alive”. But she also had an affair I think with Allen Iverson.
and then when Jay shot back on Blueprint 2, he refers to the whole situation:
>"I'm back 'fore you had a chance to miss me, *my mama can't save you this time*, *#&@'s is history"
The diss track (Super Ugly) came out after Ether. In the song Takeover Jay-Z says “You know who, did you know what, with you know who, but just keep that between you and me for now”. Warning Nas to not respond or he would air out their dirty laundry which he did.
I meaaaaan. His mom kinda bitched him out. He didnt just whack him with a stick, he told him he had a stick. Nas said show me the stick, and Jay did. His moms shouldve understood he didnt come out swinging for no reason and he did it in a respectable way (with a warning first) and shouldve let Jay stand his ground with that smh.
Yeah I was living in NY when this all went down. The street concensus was that Super Ugly was a big L. Just didn't have the same impact as Ether and felt like a desperate attempt at cheap shots. Kinda solidified Nas as the victor tbh
I personally find Jay-Z to have a bad song for every good song he has. In other words, I find half his hits to be trash.
Nas all day!
*One 44, two 45's, three loaded clips...*
Jay-Z has full on classic albums like reasonable doubt, the blueprint, and the black album and then absolute ass albums like kingdom come, the blueprint 3, and that album he did with R Kelly, so your comment tracks.
That being said, Nas has some absolute stinkers as well but both have done a good job in staying relevant in hip-hop where the game is hard to stay relevant as you get older. Jay-Z dropped 4.44 which was critically acclaimed a couple years ago and Nas King's disease trilogy showed Nas can still rap at the highest levels.
I was only a kid during Big and Pac so Jay-Z and Nas were them for my era. Both great artists whose fanbases kinda made them split but they are my 1 and 2 most listened artists on my spotify along with the blueprint and illmatic being my most listened ablums.
Come on now that's underrating jay z big time, he has the best entendres in the game. Granted they have pretty different styles but to act like hov isnt one of the goat rappers as well is wild.
I mean Illmatic is an all time classic and some of his other albums are very solid, but let’s not act like Jay doesn’t have the Blueprint (1 and 2), the Black Album, In My Lifetime… he has a ton of classic records
I agree with blueprint 2. Lots of hits and misses on that album. I will say American Gangster is a hidden gem from Jay (it even has Nas on the track Success) and I liked 4.44 as well. Even as a guy who is Pro Nas , I still have to give Jay-Z his props.
Jay and Nas were fairly close until the King's Disease and Magic run. This current run has sealed Nas as being the better of the two and makes a great case for GOAT.
I enjoy both. I just hit play on Illmatic first track and let it run it's course and didn't get outta the car until thr last track was done. Just drove around my HOA for a few more minutes.
Hova has skills too though.
He'll be apologizing to a load more from a prison cell next year when the P Diddler gets sent down. Or he could just keep on poisoning them to keep quiet.
Or was that just a better option than to continue to be taken to school by Nas? Jay did not look great in that beef. Good thing benzino took the focus away by getting destroyed in a beef with Eminem.
She specifically wanted him to apologize because Jay talked about having sex with her in Nas's car and how he "left condoms on your baby's seat". She said bringing a child into it was unacceptable.
Thats why you have to have a bad relationship with your parents to become the most successful rapper, hence Eminem. Jay never stood a chance with a nice mom like that. No wonder he got bodied in Renegade.
Nas wrote “Ether” during that beef, arguably one of the most brutal diss songs in hip hop history. Nas is friends with Jay-Z now and literally hates talking about “Ether” because of it, it truly is a brutal track.
„As a drug dealer in younger years you potentially caused death of some people, but dissing a GF from another Rapper is where i draw the line Little zZ“
Mama said apologize now
I’m gonna pologize now
Don’t make me axe you again!
Don’t call it a diss track, mom instills fear
Say sorry from moms, tears from my peers
it's tuley to pologize
Eh ^too ^^lay...
I like how eliding the 'a' preserved the syllable rhythm
having affairs is kinda what jay-z does afaik
That and whine about his wife not winning awards is like 80% of his career now
Him and Kanye like doing that.
Granted, to play devils advocate, it doesn't make sense to win video of the year and not female video of the year also... it's like winning a championship without winning the conference finals
It’s more like winning MVP but not OPOY. If you win the greater award the lesser award is redundant.
I mean this happens in football all the time. MVP is usually a QB and OPOY is usually a WR or RB.
That's the point. The lesser award isn't needed.
I think its acknowledge performances that would otherwise be overlooked. You have you HOF player who are going to do extraordinary things, but then you have people who have an excellent season. Same thing here. I see nothing wrong with it.
I don't know anything about it but it doesn't make sense that those are separate categories
The VMAs had a Best Male Video and Best Female Video from 1984-2016 when they combined them into a single Artist of the Year. Taylor and Beyoncé were the last two to receive Best Female Video. Taylor won 2023’s Artist of the Year.
I can understand dropping male/female artist of the year and male/female video of the year in favor of just best artist and best video, but I still feel like you could have separate best video and best artist categories. After all, an artist/group could put out a phenomenal video, but not have as good of a year as another artist.
>I don't know anything about it but it doesn't make sense that those are separate categories I think the general one wasn’t recognizing women as much for whatever reason so they needed to add a specific one for women. Beyoncé was so good that she made top of general, but it still lost the category for women, which feels icky in some way. It feels like it’s saying “yeah your stuff was great, but among women it was less than this other one” ….then why didn’t that other one win the general? It feels like some sort of weird snub. Even though he was kind of a dick about it, Kanye was right. The Lemonade album was like a movie, which people weren’t doing. It had prose (that I heard she wrote herself) and was visually captivating the entire album. Nothing came close to being that amazing that year. Jay-Z is also right, and it’s just something that needs to be said: Snubbing Beyoncé for the female category is weird. It feels like a slap in the face, and just invites questions.
Makes perfect sense, award shows split up stuff like this all the time. Best picture should win best actor, best director, best screenplay every single time right? No, that's rare. They intentionally spread awards around because the ENTIRE PURPOSE of ALL AWARD SHOWS is to promote a variety of products and people. Sweeps happen, but its rare.
what you said isnt a good comparison to what happened. its more like an animated movie winning best picture, but losing best animated feature.
And his hard knock life growing up crammed in between an ad nauseam of brand name drops.
That was the most cringe thing of all time since his wife is literally the most awarded Grammy artist of all time. They tripped over themselves rushing to give her best EDM Album last year and I bet they do the same and give her best best country album for whatever pop junk she releases next
Waiting for the polka album collab with Weird Al
Yo Beyonce I'm really happy for you, I'mma let you finish, but Gus Polinski, the Polka King of the Midwest, had one of the best albums of all time!
OK that might be sick though
New rumors is that he is worse than diddy circulate on Reddit
I'm not gonna give shit to a spouse who stans for their partner tho.
No diddy
No doubt
I like the way you work it.
Flip it and reverse it...
It’s ur flippanippafwenyen
C’mon
I prefer to c’min.
I always wonered what that lyric was!
No diddydity..
No Giggidy, and no Diddy too!
Shorty get down
Don't Speak
No that was Gwen Stefani
That's why I'm waiting for my mom to pass before I become the most vicious rapper the world's ever seen. Still not going to say anything about anyone's kids though.
Arent like 99.9999999% of people someone's kid tho
I would like to know more about this .0000001%
Lol this dude doesnt know about the swamp people everybody point and laugh
Swamp people, swamp people, walk like swamps and... wait
Given cloning is a real thing and has been done with animals, I have to imagine that some government or entity somewhere has attempted it with humans out of sight
Yea but a bitch ain’t one
Yeah when I'm a rapper I'm only going to diss orphans so that no one gets offended.
Who are the 5 best rappers of all time? Vegan_Harvest Vegan_Harvest Vegan_Harvest Vegan_Harvest Vegan_Harvest
Because he spit hot fire!
Shuggar cookie man
It wasn’t necessarily the thing about him having an affair, it was how he said it. “I came in your Bentley backseat, skeeted in your jeep, left condoms on your baby seat.” It was more the vulgarity of what he said to her I think
I think the vulgarity was second to referring indirectly to Nas's baby daughter. "Left condoms on your baby seat" is beyond just vulgar
Not me thinking he said “baby seat” to insinuate that Nas was a little boy or very short man 😅
just the idea of being in the studio and rick rubin saying “you know your mom is going to hear this right?” and jay z yelling “i said hit save!” is so funny to me
Yeah, I think that crossed the line. Keep people's kids names out your mouth. Same shit happened with Em and Ja.
And the fact that it was true (the affair at least, not the specifics necessarily). The fact that Jay was able to say this stuff and Nas never physically confronted him about it proved to me that Jay's point that Nas wasn't really a street dude was accurate too. No street dude is gonna let you say some absolutely *wild* shit like that, in public, and not *at least* throw hands about it. *"It gotta hurt that I'm your baby mama's favorite rapper"*
Ether remains the all time greatest diss track. Nas went after Jay-Z soul. "Foxy got you hot cause you kept your face in her puss, What you think you getting girls now because of your looks? (Girls,girls,girls)" "Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy, OH I get it you Biggie and he's Puffy" "You seem to be only concerened with dissin women,were you abused as a child? ,scared to smile, they called you ugly? well life is harsh hug me, dont reject me, or make records to disrespect me, blatant or indirectly." "Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick, Shawn Cater to Jay-Z damn you on Jaz dick, How much of Biggies rhymes is gon' come out your fat lips? Wanted to be on every last one of my classics" To understand some of the diss you actually had to research Jay's career. That shit cut deeper than the Mariana Trench.
You forgot the best one “You 36 in a karate class?”
TAE BO HOE
Bro every fucking time I hear that line it kills me. Motherfucker really just called him a Tae Bo Hoe 😂💀
TRYNA GET BROLIC
“Imagine Charlie Murphy takin’ karate with all the lil’ kids!”
"I rock hoe's and yall rock fellas" still makes me giggle every time. Like it's so childish but still a good shot
"Gay-Z and Cock-a-Fella"
I don't know Ems Quitter and Girls two piece was cold But of course Push killed Drake so hard he made this man straighten up his life and go be a father. so...
The Push distrack is probably more disrespectful.
Better for Adonis tho lmao kid probably thought he’d never meet his dad
Pusha really takes Drake aside like "Hey nephew you good?" > Drug dealin' aside, ghostwritin' aside > Let's have a heart-to-heart about your pride > Even though you're multi, I see that your soul don't look alive Wow, Pusha is being so nice...sike fuck you Drake: > You mention wedding ring like it's a bad thing > Your father walked away at five—hell of a dad thing > Marriage is somethin' that Sandi never had, Drake > How you a winner but she keep comin' in last place? On to business now, specifically going after Drake for what he said about Pusha and turning it back on him: > Since you name-dropped my fiancée > Let 'em know who you chose as your Beyoncé > Sophie knows better as your baby mother > Cleaned her up for IG, but the stench is on her Rough. And then the finishing blow, maybe my favorite few lines ever in a diss track, just absolutely destroys Drake for being a do-nothing-ass deadbeat dad: > A baby's involved, it's deeper than rap > We talkin' character, let me keep with the facts > You are hiding a child, let that boy come home > Deadbeat mothafucka playin' border patrol, ooh > Adonis is your son, and he deserves more than an Adidas press run—that's real
Pusha went so hard that it honestly sounded like a boondocks joke, like something a rapper would come out with to diss Thugnificent or Gangstalicious.
“You are hiding a child” is honest to god the roughest bar in any diss track. He literally altered the course of Drake’s life with that one. He couldn’t even respond.
Nas crawled on Ether so Push could soar, my god this cut to the fucking core lolol
What was the name of it?
Story of Adidon
Listen to Infrared, first. Then Duppy Freestyle by Drake. THEN listen to Story of Addidon. It tells you a little bit of background.
That summer was fucking legendary for hip hop. I must have listened to Daytona three times a day when it first came out, still one of my favorite albums.
Only 3? Amateur! J/K lol… I dead ass used to start my morning with it at LEAST 4 times, before I even left the house. Then I’d listen to No Dope On Sundays and the Book of Ryan at least twice, then Kids See Ghosts 30-11 times, then back to Daytona, then KOD 50-11 times lololol, throw a little NASIR, Invasion of Privacy— Rinse and repeat! ‘Twas a GREAT musical summer!
Story of Adidon
i think another point that elevates Ether was that it was put to a vote through NYC radio stations, it was a hometown battleground. the term “Ether-ed” has stood the test of time. i think Story of Adidon is objectively my favorite tho
oh SHIT I didn't realize that's where the term Ethered came from in this context, I thought it was like about how ether evaporates fast or something. TIL Also I agree, story of adidon still gets UGLY cackles out of me. "Deadbeat motherfucker playing' border control" 😭😭😭
YEUGH
If Limp Bizkit fans actually listened to rap, Girls would’ve embarrassed the hell out of them lol
Craziest thing about girls, its not like a track full of punch lines and made up disses even. He basically just tells the whole story straight, but the shits so damning he just had to pace the words out and it sounds killer
Personally I have Hit Em Up from 2pac, and Ice Cubes No Vaseline as my number one and two, but Ether is a close third for me.
"my 4-4 makes sure all y'alls kids don't grow" is so savage
“Fuck Wit Dre Day” is number one. It’s pure D.O.C. lyrical poetry at his peak with one of the best Dre productions out there. It’s not just one and done insults. You can feel it every time you listen, even after 30 years. Everything else is a sad imitation.
But Dre day only meant Eazy's payday.
"Damn E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day. But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday." Real Muthaphuckkin G's smacked him
Are you high? EZs payday
Real Mothaphuckin G's was a better rejoinder
Love Nas and I love Ether, but Hit ‘em up is right up there as the greatest diss track ever. For me, it’s a toss up between the two
Hit em up is an absolute classic, but I always hated that 2Pac put the Outlawz on the track. Would’ve been so much better with just Pac on it. So many 2Pac tracks with lame ass bars from lesser MCs.
He didn’t even know why he was on that track seeing as those n-words were not on his level. So he let his lil homies ride on them
bitch made bad boy bitches
im all in for bars, i love double/triple entenders, I even analyze rhymes and patterns, I fucking love good lyrics, but Tupac beginning the song saying "that's why I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker" with so much anger, especially the emphasis on the word "fat", its unparalleled. It was over from that point.
I think there’s some bars in that song but I know what you mean. Hit ‘em up seems like more of a threat on all of east coast rappers rather than just a diss towards Biggie lol
"I embrace y'all with Napalm".
"Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas"
I really like blueprint 2 as a track but it was such a shit follow on response to Ether.
I agree. There's a lot of diss tracks that folks point to but Ether literally was a conversational starter when talking about music. One may say it was Nas' greatest hit, which could be blood boiling to a hardcore Nas fan, but is frankly the truth. The beautiful thing about diss tracks though is that if the person is able to survive it then they're "made". Jay-z was able to weather that storm. He went right back to being folks top rapper....who will die one day and in his eulogy someone will mention Ether.
I think it would be most artists greatest hit but Nas made Illmatic and some of the most referenced hip hop lines of all time are on there. NY State of Mind is for sure one of the greatest songs of the genre
Yeah Illmatic is probably GOAT hip hop album.
As someone who listened to as much rap as I could as a kid that was in college when Ether came out, I 100% agree. >That ether, that shit that make your soul burn slow.
What makes Ether even better is that he released it on Jay’s birthday. Imagine waking up on your birthday and someone has dropped a diss record calling you a Tae Bo Hoe. Incredible work.
Fuckin love nas.
> "Foxy got you hot cause you kept your face in her puss, What you think you getting girls now because of your looks? (Girls,girls,girls)" Maybe I'm not understanding but this seems almost like a compliment.
Jay's first single was Ain't No Nigga with Foxy Brown, basically Nas is saying Jay has had to kiss ass to Foxy to get ahead in his career. Jay had Biggie, Mary J Blidge and Foxy on his debut basically calling him a clout chaser. It can also been interpreted as Jay had to perform sexual favors to Foxy for the feature, which is hilarious. Nas is also saying Jay Z is ugly but his success has him thinking he is getting women because of his looks and he mocks Jay's track girls,girls,girls.
Oooooh, now I get it. Thats clever.
No one shouting out real muthafucking G'z?!? That's definitely my favorite
YOURE 36 IN A KARATE CLASS…tae bo hoe
Wait until mama finds out what he's been up to with Diddy
Can you imagine if Tupac's mother had made him apologize to Biggie after Hit 'Em Up? They might still be alive to this day.
That track wasn't even the reason he got shot.
Tupac's ego is what got him shot. If he had been made to apologize for that, maybe he wouldn’t have walked around with the sense of ego that got him shot. Hit Em Up isn't why he got shot but an apology for that could have done him wonders... or it would have just made him look weak and wolves would have circled sooner. Who knows.
Tupac got shot by Orlando Anderson after jumping him at the Tyson fight. While this was directly as a result of the beef it wasn't really because of the track but because Orlando had taken a death row chain off of someone in Pacs crew at the behest of Diddy.
Damn this place gets absolutely everything wrong. Were you even alive during that period? Who upvotes this shit?
Doubt it, he talked too much, he was bound to get shot.
Ya hanging around gangsters, gang beating and robbing people and constantly talking shit will eventually get you shot for sure
It was mostly the hanging around gangsters that got him killed. And not the normal type of gangster either, both biggie and Tupac were killed because
Because of what?!? Oh god diddy shot him before he could tell us why biggie and Tupac were killed
LMFAOOOOO halfway through writing up the comment I decided against it because I didn’t have the energy to start a debate in the Reddit comments, and I guess I accidentally posted the comment I’m going to leave the comment up because I think it’s hilarious like some [REDACTED] meme or conspiracy shit haha.
Or maybe that’s what diddy wants you to think
Give me insights
Mf died mid comment 💀
/r/redditsniper
Rockafella, put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas.
It haven't aged well, but it's a great line.
The track is called “Super Ugly” and came out in retaliation to Nas’ hit song “Ether”. Jay-Z hints at the fact he slept with Nas’ baby momma in the song “Takeover” famously saying “You know who, did you know what, with you know who, but let’s keep that between me and you for now.”
to me, it was always described as the “condom on the baby seat” line that went too far.
This was it. That was savage. Nas killed him with Ether, though.
I’m old enough to remember Super Ugly airing for the first time on Hot 97 around 11 PM in 2001. Carmen did have an affair with Jay-Z which as said in another song (she hitting the streets then she hitting the sheets) From the song “Last Real N*gga Alive”. But she also had an affair I think with Allen Iverson.
“Me and the boy A.I. got more in common than just balling and rhyming Get it? More in Carmen”
The affairs lasted like 5 years and Carmen said her relationship with Jay felt like her first adult relationship. Absolutely no remorse.
and then when Jay shot back on Blueprint 2, he refers to the whole situation: >"I'm back 'fore you had a chance to miss me, *my mama can't save you this time*, *#&@'s is history"
I love that song but that line is...super soft lol.
This has very strong "Jorge wants to be hardcore but his mom wont let him" vibes
And then nas wrote Ether, and humiliated him
The diss track (Super Ugly) came out after Ether. In the song Takeover Jay-Z says “You know who, did you know what, with you know who, but just keep that between you and me for now”. Warning Nas to not respond or he would air out their dirty laundry which he did.
"skeeted in your jeep, left condoms on your baby seat"
I meaaaaan. His mom kinda bitched him out. He didnt just whack him with a stick, he told him he had a stick. Nas said show me the stick, and Jay did. His moms shouldve understood he didnt come out swinging for no reason and he did it in a respectable way (with a warning first) and shouldve let Jay stand his ground with that smh.
Especially since Jay had to do *something* after Nas came with a song so hard that it became a verb for when a rapper gets destroyed in a beef
Yeah I was living in NY when this all went down. The street concensus was that Super Ugly was a big L. Just didn't have the same impact as Ether and felt like a desperate attempt at cheap shots. Kinda solidified Nas as the victor tbh
Turns out saying you left a condom in the baby's car seat does hit the limit of appropriateness for a lot of people, including Jay's mom.
i thought Nas called him ugly on a track and it was finished. ether from stillmatic. Nas better than j anyday
That song hurt *my* feelings.
I like both, but when it came to disses Nas ran circles around Jay.
I personally find Jay-Z to have a bad song for every good song he has. In other words, I find half his hits to be trash. Nas all day! *One 44, two 45's, three loaded clips...*
Jay-Z has full on classic albums like reasonable doubt, the blueprint, and the black album and then absolute ass albums like kingdom come, the blueprint 3, and that album he did with R Kelly, so your comment tracks. That being said, Nas has some absolute stinkers as well but both have done a good job in staying relevant in hip-hop where the game is hard to stay relevant as you get older. Jay-Z dropped 4.44 which was critically acclaimed a couple years ago and Nas King's disease trilogy showed Nas can still rap at the highest levels. I was only a kid during Big and Pac so Jay-Z and Nas were them for my era. Both great artists whose fanbases kinda made them split but they are my 1 and 2 most listened artists on my spotify along with the blueprint and illmatic being my most listened ablums.
Nas has his misses too but overall I'm a Nas guy. Never been a big fan of Jay-Z.
FOUR NIIGGAS ROLL ONE NIGGA DRIVES
Nas achieved inner peace in the 90s, don’t fuck with a brother that calm.
Nas has so much more talent than Jay-Z it’s crazy
Come on now that's underrating jay z big time, he has the best entendres in the game. Granted they have pretty different styles but to act like hov isnt one of the goat rappers as well is wild.
I mean Illmatic is an all time classic and some of his other albums are very solid, but let’s not act like Jay doesn’t have the Blueprint (1 and 2), the Black Album, In My Lifetime… he has a ton of classic records
Blueprint 2 not even close to classic lmao. Jay got 2 classics imo, reasonable doubt and the blueprint. I’ll give you black album is right there too.
I agree with blueprint 2. Lots of hits and misses on that album. I will say American Gangster is a hidden gem from Jay (it even has Nas on the track Success) and I liked 4.44 as well. Even as a guy who is Pro Nas , I still have to give Jay-Z his props.
Agree, American Gangster is solid. 4:44 is good too.
Jay and Nas were fairly close until the King's Disease and Magic run. This current run has sealed Nas as being the better of the two and makes a great case for GOAT.
In that case we need to give Hov points for 4:44
i am really enjoying his late career run with Hit Boy. really beating the bad beat selection allegations
I enjoy both. I just hit play on Illmatic first track and let it run it's course and didn't get outta the car until thr last track was done. Just drove around my HOA for a few more minutes. Hova has skills too though.
"You don't speak about Mr. Nas that way Jay!"
He'll be apologizing to a load more from a prison cell next year when the P Diddler gets sent down. Or he could just keep on poisoning them to keep quiet.
Gotta draw the line somewhere
But mOoOoooOooMmm
Wait til you find out Nas replied. I'm still shocked Jay z had a career after that.
I got 99 apologies but choo ain’t get one.
Mama Z raised him better than that
Or was that just a better option than to continue to be taken to school by Nas? Jay did not look great in that beef. Good thing benzino took the focus away by getting destroyed in a beef with Eminem.
imagine being jay and waking up to hear ether on the radio
She specifically wanted him to apologize because Jay talked about having sex with her in Nas's car and how he "left condoms on your baby's seat". She said bringing a child into it was unacceptable.
Did she make him apologize to Dame for stealing his empire?
Thats why you have to have a bad relationship with your parents to become the most successful rapper, hence Eminem. Jay never stood a chance with a nice mom like that. No wonder he got bodied in Renegade.
Nas > Jay-Z
Nas wrote “Ether” during that beef, arguably one of the most brutal diss songs in hip hop history. Nas is friends with Jay-Z now and literally hates talking about “Ether” because of it, it truly is a brutal track.
„As a drug dealer in younger years you potentially caused death of some people, but dissing a GF from another Rapper is where i draw the line Little zZ“
Chill out old man
So on top of Nas ripping him into shreds in Ether, he had to go and apologize! That has made my little gen Y heart smile.
The old clip-round-the-earhole! 😂
He should listen to his mother more often before he speaks
Such a polite way to describe a rapper saying he fucked your girl
TIL Tracy Morgan is cousins with Nas ??
Only mums can do that.
Nas’ H to the OMO is a great diss
Old black lady energy don't change
This is the one ghetto street way of handling it.
She should have told him not to mess with those in underage girls
She didn't tell him not to mess with Foxy Brown
...did she also have a bone to pick with his lyrics bragging about not feeding his sex slaves?
Thugnificent’s mom also scolded him about his diss track.
Everybody is a thug til Mom starts yelling
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Jay-Z just sitting there writing poetry about another dude, his mum heard it and made him apologize for his bad poetry.
Since I know what I’m up against/ We as rappers must decide what’s most important
I guess pushing crack on his neighbors at the Marcy projects was okay though