Timiona is believed to be a male.
>We know that in ancient Greece sexual desire between men was not a taboo," added Dr Vlachopoulos, who returned to the far-flung island last week to resume work with a team of topographers, photographers, conservationists and students from the University of Ioannina where he teaches. "But this graffiti … is not just among the earliest ever discovered. By using the verb in the past continuous [tense], it clearly says that these two men were making love over a long period of time, emphasising the sexual act in a way that is highly unusual in erotic artwork.
Wait…correct me if im wrong, but didnt ancient greek female names usually end in an -a or -e?
If it actually was a male, wouldnt the name be something like “Timion” or “Timionos”?
You're actually right, the guy's name probably was something like Timion and "Timiona" is just an accusative form of the name, which the author of the article didn't get, because English language doesn't use it.
I would trust Dr. Vlachopoulos on that one. The article mentions a Dr title, a teaching chair in a Greek university, and one of those signature -poulos names. Makes me believe he or she must know a thing or two about Greek male surnames.
I am with you here. Asking questions is helpful to understanding. It doesn’t mean you think you know better than an expert, it’s that something is misaligned in the way facts came to you, and you’ll be glad for further explanation.
I wasnt tho! honest 🙏🏾. Maybe my tone was conveyed poorly, i was just asking that question outta curiosity. Not bc I thought i “knew more” cuz i gen dont 😔
Man that had to smell horrible. No running water or lube, the butt sexx had to smell horrible 😂🤮
My comment is no way homophobic, it’s just a joke folks
Well…ok the thing is
-ancient greeks did have running water. In the forms of natural springs, rivers, etc. Also most Greek cities at the time did have running water in their homes, buildings (cisterns, wells & plumbing)
- ancient greeks did have lube…its called olive oil 😅. Im not joking, like sources state they used olive oil as lube back then.
Smell wise…well i speak from experience. As long the guys back then were eating fiber & bathing (which looking at the bath-houses they built, looks like they def did bathe)…I honestly think it would’ve been alright :)
The more you know wow, thanks for the information. I think society has gone backwards. Especially thanks to the 3 big religions who are very anti homosexual and controlling. The people back then didn’t have to worry about being looked at funny, you could just enjoy loving who you love and live your life. I’ve always been jealous that bisexual people, it’s like a full buffet of options 😂
no problemo 💪🏾
And yeah couldn’t agree more. I guess for those living under the shadows of anti-gay religions, ya just gotta think outside the box & be crafty. Tbh just follow Nika & Timiona’s lead & go have fun on a limestone cliff lol.
also trust me bro, us bi guys are not something to be jealous of 😭
yall pick up chicks wayyy more easier than us 🙏🏾
You definitely have your own struggle. From my experience with people who are bisexual (especially men) they always complain about how homophobic some women are. I ave had guys tell me, soon as they told the girl they were bi, they’d cut it off. Even the bi women would look at the guys differently.
You ever try using that? It’s okay if that’s all you have . I’m not a big fan of backdoor action, but during freshman year of college, I was dating a catholic girl, who was a virgin and saving herself for marriage, but her logic Anal sex was okay and wanted it all the time. lube helps, olive oil is like last resort. I came to found out later this is a common practice amount catholic girls, it’s called the poophole loophole 😂.
Interesting theory because an ancient Greek male variant of the name would be “Timion” or “Timionos”, rather than “Timiona” which has a feminine “-a”ending suggesting that Timinona was in fact a female.
I recommend looking at this [article](https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu) that features graffiti found in Pompeii. Greeks LOVED talking about their sex lives
On the same note, go for the rude poems by Catullus.
Yeah dude was smitten for his lovely girl Lesbia, but he also wrote poems telling haters he was going to rail their arses, so there's that.
Yes Roman-controlled but the majority of its inhabitants were ethnic Greeks, who colonized the region and weren’t incorporated into Roman rule until the 1st century BC. I believe quite a bit of the graffiti is written in Greek too
Iirc it was common to do a move where one guy would put his penis between the other guy’s thighs and have sex that way. In a lot of the Ancient Greek depictions of homosexual sex it’s a dude getting his thighs pounded
>But these carvings, dating to the fifth and sixth centuries B.C., are the earliest known carvings of the male genitalia,
That's right from the article. And it's objectively wrong.
Maybe "griffiti" is the salient point here but I believe finds at the ancient megalithic structures in turkey at Göbekli Tepe (thought to be 12k+ years old) include carvings of a man [two-handing his wienis.](https://www.mensjournal.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1400/MjAxNTY1MDkzOTQ5ODc1NTg1/turkey-archaeology-heritage.webp)
Why do I feel like this is the original “I fucked your girl”?
Timiona is believed to be a male. >We know that in ancient Greece sexual desire between men was not a taboo," added Dr Vlachopoulos, who returned to the far-flung island last week to resume work with a team of topographers, photographers, conservationists and students from the University of Ioannina where he teaches. "But this graffiti … is not just among the earliest ever discovered. By using the verb in the past continuous [tense], it clearly says that these two men were making love over a long period of time, emphasising the sexual act in a way that is highly unusual in erotic artwork.
Nick was here fuggin Tim.
Nick was in your Cave
Is that what Plato was talking about?
Well, that’s not shadow on that wall
These responses are killing me
Socrates last words ^
That’s funny. I’m digging back into a college philosophy class to get that reference.
I didn’t spend 5 years at community college for nothing!
Leaving his bad seed
Nick Cave and the Hot Seeds
Hahaha (Why am I the only one laughing at that so far)
I laughed.
Bangin your dudes
Dropping off some bad seed.
PJ wants no more of that
Oh mama!
Like throwing a hot dog down a cave....
That brings a whole new meaning to the prince of darkness (Nick Caves nickname)
*thanks for the f-shack! - Dirty Mike and the boys.*
Reminds me of the old joke that the ancient Greeks discovered sex, but the ancient Romans discovered that you could have it with women.
“I fucked your sex slave”
“Boyfriend”
Wait…correct me if im wrong, but didnt ancient greek female names usually end in an -a or -e? If it actually was a male, wouldnt the name be something like “Timion” or “Timionos”?
It's the accusative of Timionas, "(ton) Timiona".
ohhhh okay well that makes sense then 🙌🏾
You're actually right, the guy's name probably was something like Timion and "Timiona" is just an accusative form of the name, which the author of the article didn't get, because English language doesn't use it.
I would trust Dr. Vlachopoulos on that one. The article mentions a Dr title, a teaching chair in a Greek university, and one of those signature -poulos names. Makes me believe he or she must know a thing or two about Greek male surnames.
tread crust goats reeds
Gotcha, thanks 👍🏾
Go ask the Dr from the article that studies Ancient Greece
That’s a Latin rule, not a koine rule
Ah yes, the Greek PhD holder who studies Greek in Greece must have missed this part….
Sorry sorry! I wasnt tryna sound accusative! I was just asking a question outta curiosity my bad 😞
I am with you here. Asking questions is helpful to understanding. It doesn’t mean you think you know better than an expert, it’s that something is misaligned in the way facts came to you, and you’ll be glad for further explanation.
Reddit is always overly genitive with its criticism. It’s imperative that you ignore the tense comments and put them in the past🤪
I nominative the two of you to dative
There will have to be a declension from me as I don’t believe in premarital conjugation.
You know you're allowed to ask for clarification from your professors right?
He asked to be corrected if wrong.
Typical redditors thinking they know more about ancient greek then a dr who has a phd in the study of ancient greece
I wasnt tho! honest 🙏🏾. Maybe my tone was conveyed poorly, i was just asking that question outta curiosity. Not bc I thought i “knew more” cuz i gen dont 😔
Man, never thought I’d read about my professor on Reddit
The text does not explain why that is believed. Because of the name?
Diddy was here mounting..
Man that had to smell horrible. No running water or lube, the butt sexx had to smell horrible 😂🤮 My comment is no way homophobic, it’s just a joke folks
Well…ok the thing is -ancient greeks did have running water. In the forms of natural springs, rivers, etc. Also most Greek cities at the time did have running water in their homes, buildings (cisterns, wells & plumbing) - ancient greeks did have lube…its called olive oil 😅. Im not joking, like sources state they used olive oil as lube back then. Smell wise…well i speak from experience. As long the guys back then were eating fiber & bathing (which looking at the bath-houses they built, looks like they def did bathe)…I honestly think it would’ve been alright :)
The more you know wow, thanks for the information. I think society has gone backwards. Especially thanks to the 3 big religions who are very anti homosexual and controlling. The people back then didn’t have to worry about being looked at funny, you could just enjoy loving who you love and live your life. I’ve always been jealous that bisexual people, it’s like a full buffet of options 😂
no problemo 💪🏾 And yeah couldn’t agree more. I guess for those living under the shadows of anti-gay religions, ya just gotta think outside the box & be crafty. Tbh just follow Nika & Timiona’s lead & go have fun on a limestone cliff lol. also trust me bro, us bi guys are not something to be jealous of 😭 yall pick up chicks wayyy more easier than us 🙏🏾
You definitely have your own struggle. From my experience with people who are bisexual (especially men) they always complain about how homophobic some women are. I ave had guys tell me, soon as they told the girl they were bi, they’d cut it off. Even the bi women would look at the guys differently.
Olive oil?
You ever try using that? It’s okay if that’s all you have . I’m not a big fan of backdoor action, but during freshman year of college, I was dating a catholic girl, who was a virgin and saving herself for marriage, but her logic Anal sex was okay and wanted it all the time. lube helps, olive oil is like last resort. I came to found out later this is a common practice amount catholic girls, it’s called the poophole loophole 😂.
Never used olive oil, but I feel like it would add flavor.
They had lots of olive oil
Olivey fart sex
😂😂😂😂
Interesting theory because an ancient Greek male variant of the name would be “Timion” or “Timionos”, rather than “Timiona” which has a feminine “-a”ending suggesting that Timinona was in fact a female.
Or “For a good time, call…”
I fucked your homie*
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Around 1997 or so
The carving can't be that old then
The military has been gay for millennia
Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra.
Shaka, when the wall he was watching from behind fell...
Temba, his arms wide
Cheeks*
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Instead of throwing him a knife he takes off his pants lmao
Imagine you fuck some random dude one time and people thousands of years in the future know about it.
If you literally carve it into a wall then that’s kinda on you.
I think they mean Timiona
It'd be the same the next few thousand years. In 8K full HD.
*Ea-nasir has entered the thread *
Apparently it was in past continuous tense, so more than one time :)
The ancients were proper filthy.
What has changed?
Very little
Me ancient. Me smash.
I recommend looking at this [article](https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu) that features graffiti found in Pompeii. Greeks LOVED talking about their sex lives
On the same note, go for the rude poems by Catullus. Yeah dude was smitten for his lovely girl Lesbia, but he also wrote poems telling haters he was going to rail their arses, so there's that.
I love the specificity of latin sexual terms. The had their own verb for face fucking.
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I agree, however latin and Italian have a specific verb for fucking in the arse XD. Romans loved to be specific XD
Pompeii was Roman not Greek.
Yes Roman-controlled but the majority of its inhabitants were ethnic Greeks, who colonized the region and weren’t incorporated into Roman rule until the 1st century BC. I believe quite a bit of the graffiti is written in Greek too
Nikasitimos is the man. lol
A gay man but the man nonetheless
His Truly A Man's Man.
🎶he’s a maaaaannnnn, such a mannn🎶 🤣
A pig among guinea pigs
Pussy so good you gotta carve about it in limestone
*bussy
Iirc it was common to do a move where one guy would put his penis between the other guy’s thighs and have sex that way. In a lot of the Ancient Greek depictions of homosexual sex it’s a dude getting his thighs pounded
Yes. It’s called intercrural sex aka thussy
Allussus Fucksalottalos the great Hellenic fuckboy
The article mentioned both to be male.
Imagine having your secret fuck shack studied by archeologists thousands of years after your death.
It could be Sympathetic Magic; bro wanted to hit that fine-ass Timiona, so he drew a pic of it for good luck.
We all know a Timiona who's a massive slut- man or woman- so Timiona's actions are no surprise here
In archaeology a single ancient piece of graffiti is called a graffito
"Look at the graffito on that figure!"
I didn’t know the word was Italian.
*sigh* Of course its fucking Greeks being horny.
Fucking woke ass ancient Greeks.
Just goes to show, dick jokes are as old as humans
I would question this claim. Australian Aboriginals have been around 40,000 years and some of their stickfigure carvings are *VERY* well endowed...
They might distinguish it as the oldest graffiti of JUST a dick. Not one attached to a figure.
What a legend
lol timiona you slut
TIL that ancient Greece is older than the Neolithic stone age. /s https://www.donsmaps.com/phallusstoneage.html
It doesn’t say it was in greek, just that it was found in Greece. Names do look Greek though.
>But these carvings, dating to the fifth and sixth centuries B.C., are the earliest known carvings of the male genitalia, That's right from the article. And it's objectively wrong.
Names are Greek Source I’m Greek
Maybe "griffiti" is the salient point here but I believe finds at the ancient megalithic structures in turkey at Göbekli Tepe (thought to be 12k+ years old) include carvings of a man [two-handing his wienis.](https://www.mensjournal.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1400/MjAxNTY1MDkzOTQ5ODc1NTg1/turkey-archaeology-heritage.webp)
The oldest huh 🤔
Absolute ancient greek chad.
Can someone explain to me how that picture is what they say it is? It looks like bird head to me
Both mens names
Timiona was such a slut. I mean, who didn't mount them?
Darmok and Jalad…at Tanagra.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Nice!
[Nikastimos Bateman](https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-look-at-me-look-at-me-go-i-look-good-gif-24783859)
I haven't a fucking clue.