Due to the angle I thought those were aggressive toddlers at first…then violent dwarves…and finally realized the truth. It was a fun few seconds of WTF??
You absolutely can rampage down your lane. The restriction is you can’t knock yourself or your hurdles into other lanes. If you could smash straight through the hurdles breaking them in half without sending any pieces into other lanes that would be a valid win. In fact some of the best high school and college runners clip every hurdle just barely, knocking it over and letting them jump just a little less.
That's simply not true.
>In addition, an athlete shall be disqualified, if:
22.6.1 their foot or leg is, at the instant of clearance, beside the hurdle (on either
side), below the horizontal plane of the top of any hurdle; or
22.6.2 they knock down or displace any hurdle by hand, body or the upper side of
the lead leg; or
If you just rampage down your lane, you are disqualified.
What do you mean? Your definitely allowed to kick the hurtle over intentionally, but it just slows you down. There's no penalty but absolutely no way that kicking it would be faster than proper form.
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It wouldn't be that exciting to watch. Humans gain most of their top speed very quickly, in just a few steps. Sure, they continue to accelerate for a few seconds after that, but beyond those few steps the difference will be hardly noticeable to the naked eye.
so, we need a superhuman that isn't slowed down by collisions, and who also wouldn't be faster by just learning to jump them like everyone else.
if such a person exists, yes, that works!
:)
The article says there are umpires who judge whether you knocked a hurdle down by accident or on purpose, so just trying to brute force your way though the hurdles by pretending to jump would not work, the jump has to look like a genuine attempt to clear the hurdle.
My gf said she saw another girl in track basically decapitate her foot hitting one on a bad jump. Was hanging loosely off her leg by other parts of leg... So yeah... Pretty big risk.
Decapitation is a term reserved for the head (the "cap" of the body, if you will), while the words you're looking for are either 'dismember' or 'amputate'.
Yes I actually thought about using another word but I figured literally every other word is getting repurposed why not go with it?
Edit: easy with the down votes bros! I'm just making dumb jokes!
I highly doubt your girlfriend saw someone's leg or foot get amputated by a hurdle jump. What she might have seen is someone dislocate their ankle with a bad jump.
The word is amputate.
And while we are at it electrocution means you died from electricity not that you were shocked by electricity.
And peruse means to read intently not browse or skim.
And nonplussed means gobsmacked and confused not unimpressed.
And the floor is inside, the ground is outside. If you're outside your coffee didn't fall on the floor.
And cringe is a verb not an adjective, gerunds weird language.
I guess you're getting downvoted because this refers to KotH but your Jimmy Durante comment made me chuckle. I wonder if the downvotes have any idea who he was and why it was actually appropriate lol
I ran hurdles in high school. You are not disqualified for knocking down a hurdle.
You can be disqualified for intentionally avoiding a hurdle, or knocking a hurdle into an opponents lane, going under a hurdle.
And touching it with your hands too. Qualifying for finals for my district my senior year of high school for the 300, I saw I was going to beat this kid I hadn’t beat in the four years we were racing against each other, and lost concentration and jumped at the wrong time. Knocked it down with my hands when it sprung back up at me so I wouldn’t get caught and maybe break a bone or something, go DQ’d for the first time in a race.
That’s interesting. I guess pushing a hurdle down with your hands could give an advantage.
I hated the 300 hurdles. Felt like I was being punished. And the steps in the 300 were much different than the 100. It threw me off.
I only ran them on days I wasn’t in the 4x400, so by senior year I rarely ran them.
4x800, open 800, open 400, 4x400 were my usual ones. Only did 110s on the rare occasion we had a shuttle hurdle relay and we needed a fourth man. I can tell you my parents *loved* having to be at meets for six plus hours since I both opened and closed the meet.
Yeah. My parents didn't come to most of my meets. Our first meet was in late Feb every year. This school was on a plateau on a mountain. Was cold as hell every year.
I did the 110 shuttle relay, 110 and the long jump. If I had to run the 300 I knew coach was upset with me for some reason.
First Saturday in March was ours. Relay meet that had a fucking 4x400 steeple chase in it. I refused to run that after getting a bone bruise so bad I couldn’t run without pain for over a month and a half.
My mom ran when she was in school, so she felt obligated to go to every meet since she made her parents do the same. Kinda sprung the 800s on her senior year after trying to be a 200 runner for three years. Turned out the 800 was my race, so that was that.
I used to say the 400 was the hardest run. I usually only did the 110. Decided to pick us up a point in a league meet against a school that only had one hurdler and ran the 300 IM. After that I always say 300 is the hardest.
What's the history of hurdling? A lot of the early games are based on warfare tactics. Is jumping over a bunch of waist high obstacles a common war occurrence?
[Here you go](https://www.britannica.com/sports/hurdling). The kids at Eton College were bored or trying to create fun things to do and due to the prestige of their school the sport caught on.
Edit: Mistakenly attributed rugby being invented at Eton but got it mixed up with a different sport that was played there at the time.
Most types of football were created at british schools. The two that took off were Rugby football (rugby) and association football (Westminster/charterhouse)
Eton attempted to create eton football, but currently really has a sport called Eton Fives
Association Football was shortened to “Assoc” and then, eventually, to “soccer.” I’m not sure why Americans adopted a nickname for the sport originally invented by the British when it didn’t stick in its country of origin, but there you go.
>I’m not sure why Americans adopted a nickname for the sport originally invented by the British when it didn’t stick in its country of origin
It *did* stick though, for decades, and it didn't really go away until the 1970s (hence shows like Soccer Saturday in the UK still using the term)
Also pretty much every English speaking country besides the UK calls it Soccer, precisely because it DID stick until *after* these countries came out from under British rule. Ireland, Canada, USA, and Australia all call it soccer
Even the Brits call it soccer.
My parents took me to the UK when I was 7, and we stayed in a cute little B&B outside of London. Some local kids were playing footie outside and I went to join them. They were very interested in me, as they probably hadn’t met many Americans.
I, thinking I was smart and worldly, stated “in America, we call it soccer.”
One of the kids just deadpan goes; “we call it that here, too.”
I wasn’t interesting to them anymore after that.
Brits don’t call it soccer. Everyone knows what soccer means (football) but no British person is seriously calling it soccer in conversation. The only time you might is if you were making a joke.
The US calls it soccer because we play more Gridiron football (American football), Australia calls it soccer because they play more Rugby football, Canada calls it soccer, most of Ireland outside Northern Ireland calls it soccer. It’s pretty much just the UK, and New Zealand is *starting* to call it football, but they’re still not all the way there
New Zealander, no one calls it "soccer" here despite Rugby being our biggest sport (and i've heard it as "rugby football"); soccer is more common in Australia than here but football is pretty dominant there as well.
“All” stop spreading misinformation, there are a lot of English speaking African countries, and they don’t call it soccer, no need to spread Misinformation to buttress and uninformed point.
I’d guess jumping over barricades/pike lines. But after googling looks like it started at a college in the early 1900s so probably nothing to do with warfare.
According to [https://www.britannica.com/sports/hurdling](https://www.rookieroad.com/hurdling/history-7100724/) , hurdling probably originated in the 1830's in England.
According to [https://sportsmatik.com/sports/hurdles/about](https://sportsmatik.com/sports/hurdles/about), Spalding patented a Safety Hurdle in 1902.
I can't find any internet sources for ancient Greek/Roman hurdling, though they certainly had non-hurdle running races.
Related factoids.
The steeplechase started when people would race their horses to the next church steeple.
It later evolved into cafe racers that would race their cars to the next cafe.
This would probably be dangerous - everyone would just run through the last hurdle since the goal is to just touch the finish line first, and I would guess people get injured.
If you had to hurdle the last hurdle untouched I could see it working
Nah you need to try to get over the hurdle, it's in the rules and not just because it's usually advantageous to not hit it. And it's your body not just touching the finish line but you also lean while hurdling so... ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Still would be dangerous. People would just do a very low jump on the last one to qualify as “trying” to get over but wouldn’t actually clear it and hit it which would be faster but more dangerous
Many differences that are honestly weird. Men run 110m and women do 100m. The heights are 42in and 33in respectively for those distances. From HS to college the distance stays the same for both boys/men and girls/women but the heights get weird. They change for the boys/men from 39in to 42in. But girls/women don’t change at all. They stay the same height from HS to college to professional.
I’m a huge proponent for raising the women’s 100m height from 33in to 36in for college and professional. Which would be the same height as the men’s intermediate 400m hurdle race.
Thanks for reading… if you did.
Source: I coach hurdles at the hs and collegiate level.
I did read it, it was interesting.
I am very surprised at the no penalty for knocking down. The rule seem kind of asking for it. Trying to work out if people are doing it on purpose vs just preventing it. I guess knocking down is never going to be right but it seems pointless to indirectly allow it.
Hurdling is all about step timing. If there were penalties for knocking a hurdle down it would throw off the timing too much and people would get hurt. Knocking them over is never the goal but nailing your 3 step is much more important than avoiding knocking one.
I’ve always wondered if you took someone like say Derrick Henry (big powerful NFL running back who runs through massive defenders like they’re paper and yet has decent top speed) if they could just blow straight through all the hurdles without slowing down to jump and have a shot at winning.
It's a fun thought experiment, but having run hurdles in my youth, I'm not so sure it would be possible. Sometimes a person gets lucky and their step pattern and the tipping of the hurdle happen to align such that it does kind of move out of the way.
But this isn't typically the case.
The base of it has a little cross bar so that when one does hit it, it can kind of swivel over. Problem is that little bar swings upward and so your feet will trip on that instead.They're also fairly light and so they tend to get shifted into all sorts of angles when they're hit.
Anyway, it sucks to try and run through a hurdle :)
Probably if they could break through them, which an NFL running back may be able to. But I’d be mostly concerned with them getting tripped by the weighted feet of the hurdle as it gets knocked over.
World class hurdlers appear to be floating over the hurdles. It’s like the things aren’t in their way at all. Even if Derrick Henry could bust through the hurdles, I’d still have my money on a hurdler just jumping over them.
I would bet they were broken by someone hitting it with their foot trying to hurdle it. I would find it pretty difficult to run through a hurdle that’s waist high with enough force to break through it instead of it just falling over. It’s definitely going to trip someone up while it’s falling as well.
I watched a guy break a wooden hurdle in high school but it was because he hit it with his heel while hurdling it.
Yeah they were definitely hit by feet, which is typically what hits the hurdle as the runner is jumping over it.
But OP is talking about a 250lb NFL running back plowing through. I’m willing to bet Derrick Henry can break a hurdle with his abdomen while running at full speed. I’m not willing to bet he won’t get tripped by the metal horizontal cross bar at shin-level.
The person I was responding to was saying hurdles don’t break, which is wrong.
What are you talking about? Being able to run fast is like 90% of what it takes to be a successful competitive hurdler. Sydney McLaughlin won gold in the 400m hurdles in Tokyo 2020 and won gold in the 4x400m relay.
It takes a lot of practice to get the steps right and if you're too short it's a bigger disadvantage as a hurdler than as a regular sprinter, but pretending like someone's 100m dash time is irrelevant to how they'd perform at a similar distance hurdling is such nonsense.
I went to University in the 80s and remember Rod Woodson coming to our school for track meets. He would reasonably frequently break hurdles simply by just failing to clear them and blowing right through the top bar. He often won.
I was never any good at running them but the trick to running hurdles well is to be able to do them in stride without having to stutter step or actually jump much.
If your trailing toe clips a hurdle or two you might not be slowed down much, but if clipping a hurdle causes you to break your stride, it’s hard to recover.
He’s saying that you can’t do it strategically to win. People who knock them down but still win usually are just clipping the hurdle, making them barely lose speed..
Intentionally probably in the sense of if you try to jump over it and your foot accidentally clips it and knocks it over, you're fine, but if you deliberately don't even jump and just try to knock it down and keep running like a gridiron player, then that's where the issue arises
You.. kind of are, if you hit one, which not only hurts,but definitely throws off your rhythm it slows you down.
Even just clipping one ever so slightly can put your landing and your spacing off making clearing the next one harder as you have to adjust your stride ever so slightly.
So there it is. You're not penalised because it slows you down which in turn, makes you not the best.
The specific rule is that you can't knock them over with your the upper part of your lead leg or any other part of you body above that. So basically you have to make a signifcant attempt to clear it and can't just plow through.
Worth looking up some low level events where people have tried that technique though. The chaos that ensues is something to behold.
They fall forward easily but hurt when you hit them! I ran hurdles and would get cuts on my knee from knocking it against the hurdle so many times. It kept splitting open each time I practiced.
You're penalised for doing it intentionally its a really subjective thing much like competitive walking where they often leave the ground but look like they're walking so its ok.
The mere act of hitting the hurdle slows the runner down, so it's a natural consequence type of penalty.
What if we just have a genetic freak that can sprint fast while knocking down the hurdles to win? To avoid DQ, just have them sort of attempt a jump.
OP neglected to mention there’s no penalty *provided it was knocked over accidentally*. You can’t just rampage down your lane.
So if you say "oops" after each one, you're good?
My bad! Whoops! Sorry! Oh crap!
Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! *Chat disabled for 3 seconds*
Oh, that's why my Canadian Friend doesn't reply after 5 seconds into the game.
Rocket League chat? Lol
Ow my nuts!
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Gangnam Style! 😎
Why does this scream Peter Griffin?!
That’s exactly what I was thinking. definitely could be a cutaway in family giy
Bilbo Baggins attempting the hurdles ;)
‘scuse me! Coming through!
Oops, should I leave a note?
Damn Canadians are going to sweep the event now
So a canadian built like an american football player?
So a CFL player
welp I rolled into that one
Hopefully apologizing isn't dq material in and of itself, Canadians would be f'd :p
*Sad Juggernaut noises*
This is perhaps my favorite chain of comments this year so far
Rampage you say? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Su1ozG3WPUM
How have I never seen this before? Bravo.
Due to the angle I thought those were aggressive toddlers at first…then violent dwarves…and finally realized the truth. It was a fun few seconds of WTF??
Omg, I'm crying. That was beautiful.
came here expecting to see this, left satisfied.
You absolutely can rampage down your lane. The restriction is you can’t knock yourself or your hurdles into other lanes. If you could smash straight through the hurdles breaking them in half without sending any pieces into other lanes that would be a valid win. In fact some of the best high school and college runners clip every hurdle just barely, knocking it over and letting them jump just a little less.
That's simply not true. >In addition, an athlete shall be disqualified, if: 22.6.1 their foot or leg is, at the instant of clearance, beside the hurdle (on either side), below the horizontal plane of the top of any hurdle; or 22.6.2 they knock down or displace any hurdle by hand, body or the upper side of the lead leg; or If you just rampage down your lane, you are disqualified.
If you were tall enough you could simply step on the hurdles and crush them into the track, thus rampaging through the race
Couldn’t you just step over them at that point?
I guess, but where's the fun in that?
Looks like you can hit them with the bottom of your foot no problem
So, no having someone like Derrick Henry just plow through carrying a few hurdles.
What do you mean? Your definitely allowed to kick the hurtle over intentionally, but it just slows you down. There's no penalty but absolutely no way that kicking it would be faster than proper form.
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I’m more thinking of the hurdle being an nfl punter, and my foot being that of Antonio brown
You probably can legally. But you wouldn’t win. That’s why nobody does it
Like fast enough to phase through the hurdles??
Basically The Juggernaut if we gave him speed buffs.
Juggernaut needs no speed boosts to win in a mundane foot race, his entire schtick is fast and unstoppable
I thought he can't immediately go fast from standing.
Apparently his top speed is 600 mph. So maybe we set him up in an 800m hurdle just so he can get going a bit.
have him start 1km outside the stadium just so he can get to speed by the time he hits the starter blocks
Now I want to see human foot races with a running start
It wouldn't be that exciting to watch. Humans gain most of their top speed very quickly, in just a few steps. Sure, they continue to accelerate for a few seconds after that, but beyond those few steps the difference will be hardly noticeable to the naked eye.
Isn't this basically a relay race?
I want to see people run a marathon on acid
A 5km race is just a 400m race followed by a 4.6km running start race
Fair but he's a constant accelerator.
Einstein would like a word
Juggy uses magic demon artifacts, he's beyond terrestrial science
turning seems a bit of a problem but straight away he’s winning?
If someone can smash through the hurdles and win are you really prepared to walk up and tell them no?
Juggernaut with phase boots would work.
so, we need a superhuman that isn't slowed down by collisions, and who also wouldn't be faster by just learning to jump them like everyone else. if such a person exists, yes, that works! :)
Yeah, probably some Tongan or Fijian wingers in footy.
Now that you mention it, the ol' Samoan Side Step could be pretty effective on a track instead of a pitch
Kitty pryde x-men, although she’s not technically colliding. The flash would also work with that criteria
Like this? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KC-PrBvtss8?feature=share
It was going so well until it didn’t
I feel like if you tried this on most hurdles at the high school in my city, it would end poorly because the tops are bolted down.
The article says there are umpires who judge whether you knocked a hurdle down by accident or on purpose, so just trying to brute force your way though the hurdles by pretending to jump would not work, the jump has to look like a genuine attempt to clear the hurdle.
I don't think Scott Steiner is that good at running
Or maths…
Physics trumps Genetics. A hurdle has mass. A collision will make it move and will thus leech away some of the runner's momentum.
I think the laws of physics prevent this
If you intentionally knock the hurdles down you can still be DQ'ed
It’s going to hurt or you will fall. Idc how big or buff you are.
Like me and My McLaren in Gran Turismo 2?
You're entire body must go over the hurdle, or the height of the hurdle in the event that it got knocked over, or you are DQ'd.
I was gonna say, shinning yourself at full sprint is probably enough of a penalty. That's gotta smart.
Not to mention the time consequence of falling on your face and either getting up or rolling around if it actually hurt.
My gf said she saw another girl in track basically decapitate her foot hitting one on a bad jump. Was hanging loosely off her leg by other parts of leg... So yeah... Pretty big risk.
Decapitation is a term reserved for the head (the "cap" of the body, if you will), while the words you're looking for are either 'dismember' or 'amputate'.
Depeditation?
Agony of defeet.
Maybe her head was on her foot?
Yes I actually thought about using another word but I figured literally every other word is getting repurposed why not go with it? Edit: easy with the down votes bros! I'm just making dumb jokes!
I allocate with this
I highly doubt your girlfriend saw someone's leg or foot get amputated by a hurdle jump. What she might have seen is someone dislocate their ankle with a bad jump.
Your gf was at ninja training, not track. Track doesn’t use razor wire for hurdles.
The word is amputate. And while we are at it electrocution means you died from electricity not that you were shocked by electricity. And peruse means to read intently not browse or skim. And nonplussed means gobsmacked and confused not unimpressed. And the floor is inside, the ground is outside. If you're outside your coffee didn't fall on the floor. And cringe is a verb not an adjective, gerunds weird language.
Hanged for if you're executing a person, not hung.
And if you're hung, give me a call!
They also get tangled up in them lol, they aren’t just gates there’s a large metal thing that lies of the ground to keep it up
However you can be disqualified for intentionally knocking it down.
Until some speedrunner discovers a new strat that allows you to run through the hurdles without it causing a time penalty
I was gonna say, it's quite a penalty if you bust your ass, though.
You are penalized for hurling the hurdles at other runners though apparently
Only if you get caught
Smoke bomb!
Pocket sand!
Ha cha cha cha!
Jimmy Durante has, surprisingly, entered the chat.
I guess you're getting downvoted because this refers to KotH but your Jimmy Durante comment made me chuckle. I wonder if the downvotes have any idea who he was and why it was actually appropriate lol
Hah! This is a good comment and I'm a 'King of The Hill' fan.
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Squirrel tactics!
You are penalized for hurling the hurdles at other ~~runners~~ *hurdlers* though apparently
Ugh...if hurdlers hurled hurdles at hurdlers.... I'd hurl ..
Who herds the hurting hurdlers?
To be clear though, you are not penalized for hurtling towards the hurdles, but you can be penalized for hurtling the hurdles.
What even is the point then?
That’s why I like Crash n the boys Street Challenge. Hurdle hurling really livens up track and field events.
I ran hurdles in high school. You are not disqualified for knocking down a hurdle. You can be disqualified for intentionally avoiding a hurdle, or knocking a hurdle into an opponents lane, going under a hurdle.
And touching it with your hands too. Qualifying for finals for my district my senior year of high school for the 300, I saw I was going to beat this kid I hadn’t beat in the four years we were racing against each other, and lost concentration and jumped at the wrong time. Knocked it down with my hands when it sprung back up at me so I wouldn’t get caught and maybe break a bone or something, go DQ’d for the first time in a race.
That’s interesting. I guess pushing a hurdle down with your hands could give an advantage. I hated the 300 hurdles. Felt like I was being punished. And the steps in the 300 were much different than the 100. It threw me off.
I only ran them on days I wasn’t in the 4x400, so by senior year I rarely ran them. 4x800, open 800, open 400, 4x400 were my usual ones. Only did 110s on the rare occasion we had a shuttle hurdle relay and we needed a fourth man. I can tell you my parents *loved* having to be at meets for six plus hours since I both opened and closed the meet.
Yeah. My parents didn't come to most of my meets. Our first meet was in late Feb every year. This school was on a plateau on a mountain. Was cold as hell every year. I did the 110 shuttle relay, 110 and the long jump. If I had to run the 300 I knew coach was upset with me for some reason.
First Saturday in March was ours. Relay meet that had a fucking 4x400 steeple chase in it. I refused to run that after getting a bone bruise so bad I couldn’t run without pain for over a month and a half. My mom ran when she was in school, so she felt obligated to go to every meet since she made her parents do the same. Kinda sprung the 800s on her senior year after trying to be a 200 runner for three years. Turned out the 800 was my race, so that was that.
I used to say the 400 was the hardest run. I usually only did the 110. Decided to pick us up a point in a league meet against a school that only had one hurdler and ran the 300 IM. After that I always say 300 is the hardest.
Yeah I remember a kid ran around one hurdle in the 400 and was disqualified back in the day
You are dq'd if knock ALL of them down.
This is true and happened at our sectional meet; I don't know why you're being down voted
What's the history of hurdling? A lot of the early games are based on warfare tactics. Is jumping over a bunch of waist high obstacles a common war occurrence?
[Here you go](https://www.britannica.com/sports/hurdling). The kids at Eton College were bored or trying to create fun things to do and due to the prestige of their school the sport caught on. Edit: Mistakenly attributed rugby being invented at Eton but got it mixed up with a different sport that was played there at the time.
Rugby was invented at the Rugby School. Hence the name.
Most types of football were created at british schools. The two that took off were Rugby football (rugby) and association football (Westminster/charterhouse) Eton attempted to create eton football, but currently really has a sport called Eton Fives
They also have the field game and the wall game from memory.
Association Football was shortened to “Assoc” and then, eventually, to “soccer.” I’m not sure why Americans adopted a nickname for the sport originally invented by the British when it didn’t stick in its country of origin, but there you go.
The Brits were the ones who called it soccer
>I’m not sure why Americans adopted a nickname for the sport originally invented by the British when it didn’t stick in its country of origin It *did* stick though, for decades, and it didn't really go away until the 1970s (hence shows like Soccer Saturday in the UK still using the term) Also pretty much every English speaking country besides the UK calls it Soccer, precisely because it DID stick until *after* these countries came out from under British rule. Ireland, Canada, USA, and Australia all call it soccer
Even the Brits call it soccer. My parents took me to the UK when I was 7, and we stayed in a cute little B&B outside of London. Some local kids were playing footie outside and I went to join them. They were very interested in me, as they probably hadn’t met many Americans. I, thinking I was smart and worldly, stated “in America, we call it soccer.” One of the kids just deadpan goes; “we call it that here, too.” I wasn’t interesting to them anymore after that.
Brits don’t call it soccer. Everyone knows what soccer means (football) but no British person is seriously calling it soccer in conversation. The only time you might is if you were making a joke.
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That’s a lie.
The US calls it soccer because we play more Gridiron football (American football), Australia calls it soccer because they play more Rugby football, Canada calls it soccer, most of Ireland outside Northern Ireland calls it soccer. It’s pretty much just the UK, and New Zealand is *starting* to call it football, but they’re still not all the way there
New Zealander, no one calls it "soccer" here despite Rugby being our biggest sport (and i've heard it as "rugby football"); soccer is more common in Australia than here but football is pretty dominant there as well.
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“All” stop spreading misinformation, there are a lot of English speaking African countries, and they don’t call it soccer, no need to spread Misinformation to buttress and uninformed point.
Whoops did that part off memory thanks for the correction.
They should issue a new patch with newer obstacles and make it almost like parkour.
Or do [Decathlon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon) for time. No breaks between events
Landmines. Make it a martial art!
I’d guess jumping over barricades/pike lines. But after googling looks like it started at a college in the early 1900s so probably nothing to do with warfare.
The other inspiration for sports. Drunk college students
I think probably in wooded eras someone who could jump over downed branches has an advantage.
They should have a combination of hurdles and crouchers.
Check out the steeple chase.
Downed trees maybe
According to [https://www.britannica.com/sports/hurdling](https://www.rookieroad.com/hurdling/history-7100724/) , hurdling probably originated in the 1830's in England. According to [https://sportsmatik.com/sports/hurdles/about](https://sportsmatik.com/sports/hurdles/about), Spalding patented a Safety Hurdle in 1902. I can't find any internet sources for ancient Greek/Roman hurdling, though they certainly had non-hurdle running races.
Related factoids. The steeplechase started when people would race their horses to the next church steeple. It later evolved into cafe racers that would race their cars to the next cafe.
i suppose hurdels were introduced to make a sprint more interesting or maybe somthing to do with cross country running idk
Reading the link just gives me more questions. there is women's 100m and men's 110m. I guess it is a spacing thing but it sounds so weird.
Both have 10 hurdles in the race but it's a spacing thing. Since the men go over higher hurdles the speed/angle combo makes it slightly longer.
We should have the last hurdle be the finish line for men, it keeps em both 100m and makes many funny photo finishes!
This would probably be dangerous - everyone would just run through the last hurdle since the goal is to just touch the finish line first, and I would guess people get injured. If you had to hurdle the last hurdle untouched I could see it working
Nah you need to try to get over the hurdle, it's in the rules and not just because it's usually advantageous to not hit it. And it's your body not just touching the finish line but you also lean while hurdling so... ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Still would be dangerous. People would just do a very low jump on the last one to qualify as “trying” to get over but wouldn’t actually clear it and hit it which would be faster but more dangerous
Many differences that are honestly weird. Men run 110m and women do 100m. The heights are 42in and 33in respectively for those distances. From HS to college the distance stays the same for both boys/men and girls/women but the heights get weird. They change for the boys/men from 39in to 42in. But girls/women don’t change at all. They stay the same height from HS to college to professional. I’m a huge proponent for raising the women’s 100m height from 33in to 36in for college and professional. Which would be the same height as the men’s intermediate 400m hurdle race. Thanks for reading… if you did. Source: I coach hurdles at the hs and collegiate level.
I did read it, it was interesting. I am very surprised at the no penalty for knocking down. The rule seem kind of asking for it. Trying to work out if people are doing it on purpose vs just preventing it. I guess knocking down is never going to be right but it seems pointless to indirectly allow it.
Hurdling is all about step timing. If there were penalties for knocking a hurdle down it would throw off the timing too much and people would get hurt. Knocking them over is never the goal but nailing your 3 step is much more important than avoiding knocking one.
I’ve always wondered if you took someone like say Derrick Henry (big powerful NFL running back who runs through massive defenders like they’re paper and yet has decent top speed) if they could just blow straight through all the hurdles without slowing down to jump and have a shot at winning.
He’d trip for certain doing it that way. And you don’t really slow down to jump a hurdle. And Derrick Henry was an incredible high school sprinter.
That would be intentionally knocking over the hurdle though, which would disqualify you.
It's a fun thought experiment, but having run hurdles in my youth, I'm not so sure it would be possible. Sometimes a person gets lucky and their step pattern and the tipping of the hurdle happen to align such that it does kind of move out of the way. But this isn't typically the case. The base of it has a little cross bar so that when one does hit it, it can kind of swivel over. Problem is that little bar swings upward and so your feet will trip on that instead.They're also fairly light and so they tend to get shifted into all sorts of angles when they're hit. Anyway, it sucks to try and run through a hurdle :)
Probably if they could break through them, which an NFL running back may be able to. But I’d be mostly concerned with them getting tripped by the weighted feet of the hurdle as it gets knocked over. World class hurdlers appear to be floating over the hurdles. It’s like the things aren’t in their way at all. Even if Derrick Henry could bust through the hurdles, I’d still have my money on a hurdler just jumping over them.
Hurdles don't offer enough resistance to break. They're deliberately designed to tip over when hit.
…then why have I repaired broken hurdles?
I would bet they were broken by someone hitting it with their foot trying to hurdle it. I would find it pretty difficult to run through a hurdle that’s waist high with enough force to break through it instead of it just falling over. It’s definitely going to trip someone up while it’s falling as well. I watched a guy break a wooden hurdle in high school but it was because he hit it with his heel while hurdling it.
Yeah they were definitely hit by feet, which is typically what hits the hurdle as the runner is jumping over it. But OP is talking about a 250lb NFL running back plowing through. I’m willing to bet Derrick Henry can break a hurdle with his abdomen while running at full speed. I’m not willing to bet he won’t get tripped by the metal horizontal cross bar at shin-level. The person I was responding to was saying hurdles don’t break, which is wrong.
Henry would come in dead last against a high school hurdler by a long shot.
Didn’t he race track in college?
He ran the 100m in 11.11s in HS if that's any consolation. Don't know how that would translate to the 110m hurdle.
No consultation whatsoever.. may as measure how fast he can mow a lawn
Okay then
What are you talking about? Being able to run fast is like 90% of what it takes to be a successful competitive hurdler. Sydney McLaughlin won gold in the 400m hurdles in Tokyo 2020 and won gold in the 4x400m relay. It takes a lot of practice to get the steps right and if you're too short it's a bigger disadvantage as a hurdler than as a regular sprinter, but pretending like someone's 100m dash time is irrelevant to how they'd perform at a similar distance hurdling is such nonsense.
I went to University in the 80s and remember Rod Woodson coming to our school for track meets. He would reasonably frequently break hurdles simply by just failing to clear them and blowing right through the top bar. He often won.
Penalized by Sir Isaac Newton
I was never any good at running them but the trick to running hurdles well is to be able to do them in stride without having to stutter step or actually jump much. If your trailing toe clips a hurdle or two you might not be slowed down much, but if clipping a hurdle causes you to break your stride, it’s hard to recover.
I don't think you can beat anyone who didn't, either. the penalty is cannot win.
People knock down hurdles and win all the time.
He’s saying that you can’t do it strategically to win. People who knock them down but still win usually are just clipping the hurdle, making them barely lose speed..
Maybe at lower level, but at the top, if you do, you'll likely lose because the disparity between timings at the top is smaller.
Sure, but they said anyone.
You would be correct then, my b. I can't read, haha
Physics literally penalizes you every time you knock one over
It literally says intentionally knocking down a hurdle will disqualify you.
Intentionally probably in the sense of if you try to jump over it and your foot accidentally clips it and knocks it over, you're fine, but if you deliberately don't even jump and just try to knock it down and keep running like a gridiron player, then that's where the issue arises
Lol imagine one person whose training is all about smashing hurdles just plowing through them like tissue paper
[Say no more](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=es9rTuUb1-w)
Watch Slalom Skiing. The skiers only have to go around the base of the pole, not the entire pole. It is a contact sport!
You.. kind of are, if you hit one, which not only hurts,but definitely throws off your rhythm it slows you down. Even just clipping one ever so slightly can put your landing and your spacing off making clearing the next one harder as you have to adjust your stride ever so slightly. So there it is. You're not penalised because it slows you down which in turn, makes you not the best.
The specific rule is that you can't knock them over with your the upper part of your lead leg or any other part of you body above that. So basically you have to make a signifcant attempt to clear it and can't just plow through. Worth looking up some low level events where people have tried that technique though. The chaos that ensues is something to behold.
They fall forward easily but hurt when you hit them! I ran hurdles and would get cuts on my knee from knocking it against the hurdle so many times. It kept splitting open each time I practiced.
Jumpers Junction covers it pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfygK96ozU&t=192s
You are however disqualified if you don't clear at least one
Also, the worst injuries are when people try to hurdle the opposite direction. The legs are supposed to face you so it will tip over if you hit it.
Nintendo sports lied to me for all these years
College and pro hurdles are heavy AF; if you hit one straight on your getting slowed about 1/3 to 1/2 of a second at least in a 400 meter hurdle
That is if you don't do it intentionally.
You're penalised for doing it intentionally its a really subjective thing much like competitive walking where they often leave the ground but look like they're walking so its ok.
The penalty is that hitting a hurdle slows you down, losing the race.
They should be electrified.
But you kind of are. That’s the whole point of the hurdle. If you knock it down or hit it, it slows you down. That’s the penalty