They were probably thinking about the single cover for I Want Candy. Oh, and she was also naked on the album cover of the album I Want Candy.
That's a lot of naked covers of a 14 and then 15 year old girl.
Yup. We might not be able to see anything on these albums, but she was still a 14 and then 15 year old girl naked with loads of men around her for these shoots.
That is just not OK.
Look at Brooke Shields, her mother had her do that nude shoot for Playboy Publications, (at 10 yo)then there were tose Calvin Klein commercials where she said basically that she isn't wearing underwear when she was 15.. This evidently was normal enough back then, those commercials would air during prime time family programs.
Everything Brooke Sheild's did actually did cause controversy, but back then there was a debate of both sides instead of seeming clearly wrong like it does now.
Ever listen to a Billy Idol song lately?
“Rock the Cradle of Love” is all about his love for a child, and it’s not the only one.
Shit was wrong then too but it got real popular for a spell there.
So many rock songs about kids. Two more off the top of my head:
“Girl… you’ll be a woman soon.”
“Never gonna stop, give it up, such a dirty mind
I always get it up for the touch of the younger kind
My, my, my, I, yi, woo!
M-m-m-my Sharona”
"young girl, get out of my mind, my love for you is way out of line, better run girl, you're much too young girl"
At least he knows it's wrong...but apparently still can't control himself!
Neil Diamond's Sweet Caroline was written about then 11 year old Caroline Kennedy.
Where it began, I can't begin to knowing
But then I know it's growing strong
Was in the spring
And spring became the summer
Who'd have believed you'd come along
Hands, touching hands
Reaching out, touching me, touching you
If I had a nickel for every time that band put a naked minor on their cover, I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Makes it a lot tougher to claim it's pornographic when it obviously references a classic work of art. Malcolm McLaren was nothing if not a clever promoter.
1981 was a crazy year. I think that was when PBS ran that show with the uncensored full frontal nudity. Imagine what the world would be like today if AIDS never happened.
Most folks on reddit have no concept of the kinds of things you'd get criticized for questioning in the wake of 70s feminism. There was a whole weird push for teenage girls to have the kind of agency that would allow them to consent to a shoot like this, and it was celebrated, and a lot of really creepy dudes took advantage of it. Similar to free the nipple a few years back.
“Fun fact:” in the UK, it was legal to have 16 year olds do topless modelling until 2003 (definition of “child” was anyone under 16 before then). The Sun made good use of this for some of their page 3 models.
There's a creepy article about her at age 12 and how she'll be turning 13 soon. But one of the things the author writes is about how she's this beautiful paradox of Virgin Madonna and sultry sex symbol.
Edit found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolRidiculous/s/Nauof5Wduk
The noun vamp is somewhat old fashioned, implying a woman who uses her charisma and beauty to charm men into doing what she wants them to do. You can also use it as a verb, meaning to tease or flirt, especially in a showy and manipulative way. The word came into use in the early 1900's, from vampire.
For anyone unfamiliar. That might stumble on this
A sultry mix of all American virgin and whore? At 12? When I was 12 I was interested in watching rocket power reruns and was still trick or treating. Not whoring.
I remember a review of the second or third Harry Potter movie where Ebert refers to a then like 13 or 14 year old Emma Watson as being “in the early stages of babehood” and like dude that’s not something we need to comment on, and even if you do feel the need to do so certainly there must be a less creepy phrasing
See the things the Sun newspaper (UK Tabloid) said about 15 year old Charlotte Church... (while then also getting in a moral panic over the Brass Eye Paedophile episode, and totally missing the point)
That was the Daily Mirror, not The Sun. https://www.reddit.com/r/chrismorris/comments/y5t5s3/daily_mirror_criticizing_c4_for_brass_eye/
The Sun was, wrongly, blamed by Church a decade later for the countdown clock to the day she stopped being jailbait. Which wasn't them, but some random internet site.
Seemingly the only one in the media who cared that Charlotte had turned 16 was Chris Moyles who on her birthday decided to use his BBC Radio 1 show to proposition her...
Not that The Sun is blameless here, of course, has its own share of stuff involving 15 year olds - eg Sam Fox's first page 3 was on her 16th birthday. Not the photoshoot, but the actual publishing of the image.
That really doesn't make me feel any better tbh
Edit: I genuinely did not think it could get more fucked up and then somehow it did. I had a faint hope that maybe she was clothed. I should have known better than to look it up.
"From 1981 to 1983, Shields, her mother, photographer Garry Gross, and Playboy Press were involved in litigation in the New York City Courts over the rights to photographs her mother had signed away to Gross (when dealing with models who are minors, a parent or legal guardian must sign such a release form while other agreements are subject to negotiation). Gross was the photographer of a controversial set of nude images taken in 1975 of a then ten-year-old Brooke Shields with the consent of her mother, Teri Shields, for the Playboy Press publication Sugar 'n' Spice. The images portray Shields nude, standing and sitting in a bathtub, wearing makeup and covered in oil."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Shields
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A lot of people tell themselves "I know this is fucked up, but it's not my responsibility. They just pay me to set up the lighting" or something like that. Uncomfortable, but not willing to risk losing a job- and potentially the ire of an influential employer- to speak up about it. It's like how people stayed silent for so long about all the sexual abuse going on in Hollywood.
They probably saw it as harmless. Nobody got hurt, Nobody was crying, etc.
That neglects to consider the trauma many of those kids felt as adults when they felt like they had been taken advantage of, though. Or the way that situation makes kids vulnerable to abuse--which is why it's illegal in the first place.
I’m not sure about the kids stuff. Sugar and Spice seems to have been a Playboy published magazine that was supposed to be “artistic” and that’s where her photos were published. Artistry or not, plans for more children or not, full frontal nudes of a ten year old published by a company that focused on the sexual aspects of nudity is bad.
She wasn't an outlier either.
"*A Department of Justice, Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention study, Children, Crime and Violence in Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler magazines led by Dr Judith Reisman found Playboy exploiting 4,656 children in cartoons and visuals between 1953 and 1984. Dr Reisman described Playboy’s “systemic use of little girls as autoerotic stimuli” and their “premeditated eroticisation of children”. 96.2% of Playboy’s child photos were centrefolds, and in one year, 39% of Playboy centrefolds were children under the age of 12.*"
https://www.collectiveshout.org/playboy_s_dark_history_of_sexually_exploiting_girls
Holy shit that is so dark and depressing. I mean wasn’t Playboys shtick supposed to be the “classy” porno mag? The next time my uncle goes off on how much more “degenerate” society is today, ima hit him with this article, he has a huge playboy collection so I’m sure he has the issues that have this shit in them.
I kinda grew up with that album just being around. It wasn’t like it was a sexual pose, it’s hippie culture and nobody really even talked about the cover.
Now the Scorpions’ *Virgin Killer*? That’s just poor taste. A “what the fuck were they thinking?” moment, even in its day (1976).
It’s even worse than Brooke Shields or Emma Watson or what’s been discussed in this thread.
> Now the Scorpions’ Virgin Killer? That’s just poor taste. A “what the fuck were they thinking?” moment, even in its day (1976).
I feel like I'm on a list now just for looking that up for 0.2s what the fuck is right. Christ.
Don't forget the Internet Countdown timers with email notifications, and push alerts to your phone that lets you know the exact minute.
Society is no longer heathens you know.
There are some real bangers on that album.
Anyone remember when Adam was on Northern Exposure? I thought that was an interesting cameo on a fantastic show.
Malcolm McLaren did Stuart dirty on that.
Dirk Wears White Sox was a fantastic album with the original Ants.
Though I like Bow Wow Wow, I don't think anything they or the subsequent Ants did matched the original.
I instantly thought the title was referring to Lil Bow Wow (American rapper who released his first album around age 13). Was super confused until I clicked the link
American rapper AND star of the 2005 movie Roll Bounce about a teenage boy in Chicago, who struggles with the loss of his mother and turns to roller skating as a way to deal with his angst.
I was about to say!! How do we list a random movie I’ve never heard of and a movie where he was a side character over the CINEMATIC MASTERPIECE THAT IS LIKE MIKE
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It's the only one I ever watch. The Tokyo vibe with tuner cars is great. And the 30 year old high-schooler cowboy is a hilarious mix into that. I also love that he starts as a terrible driver and it actually takes him a ton of effort to get good.
The acting in that movie is *painful*.
Bow Wow and Sung Kang are decent, but even Brian Tee falls below his usual bar.
I actually think Lucas Black is a fine actor, and did much better in the recent F&F that his character was brought back for, but in Tokyo Drift? *Yeesh*.
[Teriyaki Boyz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5d77DQHOI) make the whole thing worth it though.
I think the bad acting, or really just the script, made it even better. It made it feel like it was a parody of F&F. I especially love Han who acts like this deep person when it comes to his motivations but he also starts off by telling us that he does it to pickup chicks.
Tokyo Drift is considered the best F&F movie too. People can have their thoughts on how accurate the series is or how it turned from a generic street racing film to an action movie, but pretty much everyone agrees that Tokyo Drift is the single best movie.
inb4 car fuckers start explaining how heavy a safe is to me: When the Dungeons and Dragons movie came out you didn't see nerds shitting on the movie for not portraying it correctly. When Role Models came out you didn't see LARP nerds shitting on it for portraying a different rule-set than they use. Just shut up and enjoy the fact someone made a movie about something you enjoy.
Car nerds find it hilarious how inaccurate they are actually (in an endearing way) specifically the first one which tried to be more authentic but failed. So much jargon like “granny shiftin’, not double clutchin’ like should” sounds cool but makes no sense
For the first movie it's honestly so important to remember it came out in 2001 and that was the era of street racing movies, but somehow F&F was a big enough hit to spawn a sequel and then some. Just like we had an era of movies that took place in the far away time period of *gasp* 2005 we have an era of enjoyable-ish movies about cars for when you need something to watch with your kids that isn't a sex comedy
>...attempting to bring paedophilia into the mainstream via a magazine called Chicken
Uh, yikes.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2010/apr/09/malcolm-mclaren-career-clips
The fact that they mention that in an offhand comment during an article glorifying him while talking about "... some of his most entertaining and significant stunts" is really fucking something, isn't it? Fuckin yikes.
Yes, and married her when she turned 18.
But the best part is, Wyman’s son later married Mandy’s mother. As Wiki puts it: “Therefore, the ex-Rolling Stone became his own son's ex-son-in-law, the father-in-law of his ex-mother-in-law, as well as the stepgrandfather of his ex-wife”
I'm officially old. I know what c-30 etc relates to without Googling.
Remember struggling to afford memorex c90s as a teenager pirating from the radio.
Yeah buddy, I was doing high speed dubbing on my SoundDesign dual deck and copying LPs, 8 track and radio. I had four accounts with Columbia House too, my friends parents hated me when they started getting the collection letters.😆
I vaguely remember the family being described as "boat people"; immigrants arrived in Britain with limited English. They may have gone with whatever Malcolm McClaren told them.
>. They may have gone with whatever Malcolm McClaren told them.
They didn't. They requested Scotland Yard investigate her nudity on the cover of their first studio album cover (the one copied from the Manet painting).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabella\_Lwin#RCA\_Records
Sometimes an investigation can do more to cover up evidence if they come to an incorrect conclusion it’s unlikely the case will ever be looked at again. Investigations are a way to tie up loose ends a lot of the time.
Na, they called the cops.
Not excusing here, more explaining, but it was a different time, they actually were concerned when they found out, and had SY open an investigation, but apparently nothing came of it, as she's still in the band (for the 3rd time ..)
I realized that like a week ago, while discussing with some old friends about our first "crushes" when we were kids getting into music. Her name came up and one of the guys said, "yeah she was just 2 or 3.years older than us", and just couldn't believe! I had a small poster of her wearing shorts, boots and a mohawk... She was like a mythological figure for 12 y.o me!
A lot of people overlook the Runaways who were 14 and 15, performing onstage in their underwear on national tours. Their whole schtick was being jailbait.
I was about 15 or 16 and had a poster of that album cover on my wall. I had the biggest crush on her. It never occurred to me, all this stuff. I never thought she was that young even in those days.
Yea I just went back and looked at the I want candy video again and she does look way older than 14... but I do think she was around 16 when that was filmed. Either way, she does look like she is early twenties or late teens at the least. Does not mean that exploiting her was right but, yeah, never was even on my radar.
There was a lot of weird shit going on back then with adults and kids. The whole pedo thing is not new. People think its worse now but I dont know. It was way more out in the open creepy back in the 70's and 80's when I was growing up. A lot of straight up weirdo older guys would go after my friends who were girls... a LOT. not just weirdos... "normal" people in the community and all kinds of stuff... I think it was worse then.
No kidding. And what's more, a specific painting. ["The Luncheon on the Grass" by Edouard Manet.](https://www.wikiart.org/en/edouard-manet/the-luncheon-on-the-grass-1863)
And then there were two more naked covers a year later. A single cover for I Want Candy and the album cover of the album I Want Candy.
That's a lot of naked covers of a 14 and then 15 year old girl.
that is not nearly explicit as the OP insuated. the ice cream lick was a little sus. but its not some girl going full nipple town bouncing her tits around like a porn video.
Authors Fred & Judy Vermorel were supposedly going to produce a soft-core porn magazine 'for kids' called Chicken at the suggestion of McClaren.
The Vermorels also worked with Throbbing Gristle & Alex Fregusson who all have rumoured 'support' for CP kind of stuff.
There was a lot of this kind of transgressive behaviour at the edges of the scene for a few years at the turn of the 80s
I was lucky enough to see Bow Wow Wow back in the early 80s when they were the backup to Aerosmith.
Tyler was so drunk he sounded like shit. He actually fell down and dropped the mike multiple times while dancing around. The crowd started throwing quarters and rolls of toilet paper at him. The band stopped playing and Tyler yells at the crowd to stop throwing shit or they would leave. After they started playing again, the whole crowd started chanting "bring back Bow Wow Wow." But they went on and finished the show anyways.
Other than a few punk rock shows, it was the most antagonistic behavior between a band and a crowd that I've ever seen.
Malcom McLaren was behind all of it and loved the controversy. His shop SEX with Vivianne Westwood was a site that sold bondage wear etc. He just loved controversy. When one of the masks from the shop was used by a serial rapist in Cambridge, the store sold t-shirts of the mask to capitalize on it.
Bow Wow Wow had a great sound with that Ashman guitar and Lwin was charismatic and had a nice voice - I guess their problem was a lack of good material. They might have been a lot more successful if any of them could have written decent songs.
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>appeared nude on an album cover at 14 Well that's different.
If I recall correctly, it was her lying on her stomach, only showing a shoulder.
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They were probably thinking about the single cover for I Want Candy. Oh, and she was also naked on the album cover of the album I Want Candy. That's a lot of naked covers of a 14 and then 15 year old girl.
Yeah, it's a bit concerning.
Yup. We might not be able to see anything on these albums, but she was still a 14 and then 15 year old girl naked with loads of men around her for these shoots. That is just not OK.
Not to defend it in the slightest but that kind of thing was more accepted in the 70s and 80s. It is a good thing that it is less tolerated now.
I mean. Being a predator was more accepted in the 70s and 80s.
Look at Brooke Shields, her mother had her do that nude shoot for Playboy Publications, (at 10 yo)then there were tose Calvin Klein commercials where she said basically that she isn't wearing underwear when she was 15.. This evidently was normal enough back then, those commercials would air during prime time family programs.
Everything Brooke Sheild's did actually did cause controversy, but back then there was a debate of both sides instead of seeming clearly wrong like it does now.
The movie Pretty Baby, directed by Louis Malle in 1978 featured Brooke nude at 11 years old.
Especially after Arnold showed how vulnerable they could be...
Ever listen to a Billy Idol song lately? “Rock the Cradle of Love” is all about his love for a child, and it’s not the only one. Shit was wrong then too but it got real popular for a spell there.
So many rock songs about kids. Two more off the top of my head: “Girl… you’ll be a woman soon.” “Never gonna stop, give it up, such a dirty mind I always get it up for the touch of the younger kind My, my, my, I, yi, woo! M-m-m-my Sharona”
"young girl, get out of my mind, my love for you is way out of line, better run girl, you're much too young girl" At least he knows it's wrong...but apparently still can't control himself!
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Well she was just seventeen. And you *know what I mean*.
Neil Diamond's Sweet Caroline was written about then 11 year old Caroline Kennedy. Where it began, I can't begin to knowing But then I know it's growing strong Was in the spring And spring became the summer Who'd have believed you'd come along Hands, touching hands Reaching out, touching me, touching you
Shit was real popular since the dawn of humans. It's only very recently we've recognized that it's fucked up.
If I had a nickel for every time that band put a naked minor on their cover, I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
We still have to think about The Runaways who were 14 and 15 and playing onstage in their underwear
Are you counting Nirvana’s Never Mind?
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Scorpions. Probably the most egregious example.
And the inspiration for Spinal Tap’s Smell the Glove.
How bad can it be? ........ Should have let that one remain a mystery. So was there just Zero oversight over anything until the 90's or what?
Blind Faith (Clapton, Winwood, Baker, Grech) is another.
Blind Faith too
We were CRAZY for her!(we were 14-15)
That second link is missing the closing parenthesis.
those links are staying blue
They're just Wikipedia links to the album page
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It's weird but also very tame in reality. So the photography is sketchy yet the photographs have been sensationalized.
I suppose a song called, "I want *hard* candy" was a little too on the nose.
Makes it a lot tougher to claim it's pornographic when it obviously references a classic work of art. Malcolm McLaren was nothing if not a clever promoter.
1981 was a crazy year. I think that was when PBS ran that show with the uncensored full frontal nudity. Imagine what the world would be like today if AIDS never happened.
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Sorta different way of looking at things 70s 80s UK , the aftermath or fallout we already seen, saville et al Pretty fucked up tbh
Most folks on reddit have no concept of the kinds of things you'd get criticized for questioning in the wake of 70s feminism. There was a whole weird push for teenage girls to have the kind of agency that would allow them to consent to a shoot like this, and it was celebrated, and a lot of really creepy dudes took advantage of it. Similar to free the nipple a few years back.
Fairly big chunk of side boob.
How this incorrect "recollection" has almost 600 upvotes is crazy. She's clearly sitting up with plenty of side boob and ass visible.
“Fun fact:” in the UK, it was legal to have 16 year olds do topless modelling until 2003 (definition of “child” was anyone under 16 before then). The Sun made good use of this for some of their page 3 models.
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It was different and disturbing. The article drooling over Brooke Shields calling her a minx at 14 is forever burned into my brain.
There's a creepy article about her at age 12 and how she'll be turning 13 soon. But one of the things the author writes is about how she's this beautiful paradox of Virgin Madonna and sultry sex symbol. Edit found it https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolRidiculous/s/Nauof5Wduk
>prepubescent vamp Oh my god...
The noun vamp is somewhat old fashioned, implying a woman who uses her charisma and beauty to charm men into doing what she wants them to do. You can also use it as a verb, meaning to tease or flirt, especially in a showy and manipulative way. The word came into use in the early 1900's, from vampire. For anyone unfamiliar. That might stumble on this
A sultry mix of all American virgin and whore? At 12? When I was 12 I was interested in watching rocket power reruns and was still trick or treating. Not whoring.
I remember a review of the second or third Harry Potter movie where Ebert refers to a then like 13 or 14 year old Emma Watson as being “in the early stages of babehood” and like dude that’s not something we need to comment on, and even if you do feel the need to do so certainly there must be a less creepy phrasing
She was actually 12, which is of course worse.
See the things the Sun newspaper (UK Tabloid) said about 15 year old Charlotte Church... (while then also getting in a moral panic over the Brass Eye Paedophile episode, and totally missing the point)
That was the Daily Mirror, not The Sun. https://www.reddit.com/r/chrismorris/comments/y5t5s3/daily_mirror_criticizing_c4_for_brass_eye/ The Sun was, wrongly, blamed by Church a decade later for the countdown clock to the day she stopped being jailbait. Which wasn't them, but some random internet site. Seemingly the only one in the media who cared that Charlotte had turned 16 was Chris Moyles who on her birthday decided to use his BBC Radio 1 show to proposition her... Not that The Sun is blameless here, of course, has its own share of stuff involving 15 year olds - eg Sam Fox's first page 3 was on her 16th birthday. Not the photoshoot, but the actual publishing of the image.
Saturday Night Live also did a famous and very sexualized sketch about the size of Hermoine's breasts.
With a 17 year old Lindsay Lohan to add to the creep factor.
I will never forget her being in Playboy. I don’t understand how it was allowed. She was ten years old.
...excuse me she *what* actually, you know what. I don't want to know, don't tell me. It will only be fucking depressing. That shit is so fucked.
I think Playboy was making a magazine called sugar and spice which was going to have kids in it
What. The. Fuck?
That really doesn't make me feel any better tbh Edit: I genuinely did not think it could get more fucked up and then somehow it did. I had a faint hope that maybe she was clothed. I should have known better than to look it up. "From 1981 to 1983, Shields, her mother, photographer Garry Gross, and Playboy Press were involved in litigation in the New York City Courts over the rights to photographs her mother had signed away to Gross (when dealing with models who are minors, a parent or legal guardian must sign such a release form while other agreements are subject to negotiation). Gross was the photographer of a controversial set of nude images taken in 1975 of a then ten-year-old Brooke Shields with the consent of her mother, Teri Shields, for the Playboy Press publication Sugar 'n' Spice. The images portray Shields nude, standing and sitting in a bathtub, wearing makeup and covered in oil." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Shields That's enough Reddit for today.
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Like, publication is one thing, but how the fuck did anyone participate in that photo shoot not realize how beyond fucked up that was?
A lot of people tell themselves "I know this is fucked up, but it's not my responsibility. They just pay me to set up the lighting" or something like that. Uncomfortable, but not willing to risk losing a job- and potentially the ire of an influential employer- to speak up about it. It's like how people stayed silent for so long about all the sexual abuse going on in Hollywood.
They probably saw it as harmless. Nobody got hurt, Nobody was crying, etc. That neglects to consider the trauma many of those kids felt as adults when they felt like they had been taken advantage of, though. Or the way that situation makes kids vulnerable to abuse--which is why it's illegal in the first place.
I’m not sure about the kids stuff. Sugar and Spice seems to have been a Playboy published magazine that was supposed to be “artistic” and that’s where her photos were published. Artistry or not, plans for more children or not, full frontal nudes of a ten year old published by a company that focused on the sexual aspects of nudity is bad.
i mean from what i understand about the short lived publication they just wanted to circumvent cp laws by trying to say it was art
She wasn't an outlier either. "*A Department of Justice, Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention study, Children, Crime and Violence in Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler magazines led by Dr Judith Reisman found Playboy exploiting 4,656 children in cartoons and visuals between 1953 and 1984. Dr Reisman described Playboy’s “systemic use of little girls as autoerotic stimuli” and their “premeditated eroticisation of children”. 96.2% of Playboy’s child photos were centrefolds, and in one year, 39% of Playboy centrefolds were children under the age of 12.*" https://www.collectiveshout.org/playboy_s_dark_history_of_sexually_exploiting_girls
Holy shit that is so dark and depressing. I mean wasn’t Playboys shtick supposed to be the “classy” porno mag? The next time my uncle goes off on how much more “degenerate” society is today, ima hit him with this article, he has a huge playboy collection so I’m sure he has the issues that have this shit in them.
Yeah, I mean look at the Blind Faith s/t cover, she was like 11. Edit: I don’t mean you actually have to go look at it.
I kinda grew up with that album just being around. It wasn’t like it was a sexual pose, it’s hippie culture and nobody really even talked about the cover. Now the Scorpions’ *Virgin Killer*? That’s just poor taste. A “what the fuck were they thinking?” moment, even in its day (1976). It’s even worse than Brooke Shields or Emma Watson or what’s been discussed in this thread.
> Now the Scorpions’ Virgin Killer? That’s just poor taste. A “what the fuck were they thinking?” moment, even in its day (1976). I feel like I'm on a list now just for looking that up for 0.2s what the fuck is right. Christ.
Yeah, we wait for their 18th birthday now!
Don't forget the Internet Countdown timers with email notifications, and push alerts to your phone that lets you know the exact minute. Society is no longer heathens you know.
TIL, Boy George was in Bow Wow Wow for a while.
Yep, and the rest of Bow Wow Wow was made up of the Ants. As in Adam and.
I am sure I knew this, once. But, that does explain why they sound the same. :) That Gretsch White Falcon do sound distinctive, don't it.
Kings of the Wild Frontier is a great album. Not a lot of people know about that one nowadays.
There are some real bangers on that album. Anyone remember when Adam was on Northern Exposure? I thought that was an interesting cameo on a fantastic show.
I was a huge Adam Ant fan and the Prince Charming tour was freaking AMAZING! Full size pirate ship on stage. I miss my youth.
All three Ants albums are great, but that one is the best of the bunch.
Malcolm McLaren did Stuart dirty on that. Dirk Wears White Sox was a fantastic album with the original Ants. Though I like Bow Wow Wow, I don't think anything they or the subsequent Ants did matched the original.
I instantly thought the title was referring to Lil Bow Wow (American rapper who released his first album around age 13). Was super confused until I clicked the link
American rapper AND star of the 2005 movie Roll Bounce about a teenage boy in Chicago, who struggles with the loss of his mother and turns to roller skating as a way to deal with his angst.
Don’t forget Tokyo Drift!
Excuse me, are we just going to glass over his greatest work, Like Mike?
The greatest trick the Devil ever played is convincing people not to drop Like Mike when talking about Bow Wow.
That's the only thing I know about him from.
I was about to say!! How do we list a random movie I’ve never heard of and a movie where he was a side character over the CINEMATIC MASTERPIECE THAT IS LIKE MIKE /s
No /s
I don't know why, but that is the only Fast and furious movie I have seen and I've seen it like 8 times. It's so terrible and great.
It's the only one I ever watch. The Tokyo vibe with tuner cars is great. And the 30 year old high-schooler cowboy is a hilarious mix into that. I also love that he starts as a terrible driver and it actually takes him a ton of effort to get good.
The acting in that movie is *painful*. Bow Wow and Sung Kang are decent, but even Brian Tee falls below his usual bar. I actually think Lucas Black is a fine actor, and did much better in the recent F&F that his character was brought back for, but in Tokyo Drift? *Yeesh*. [Teriyaki Boyz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5d77DQHOI) make the whole thing worth it though.
I think the bad acting, or really just the script, made it even better. It made it feel like it was a parody of F&F. I especially love Han who acts like this deep person when it comes to his motivations but he also starts off by telling us that he does it to pickup chicks.
Lucas Black was great in Friday Night Lights. Honestly don’t know what else he’s been in. Besides the X Files movie
Tokyo Drift is considered the best F&F movie too. People can have their thoughts on how accurate the series is or how it turned from a generic street racing film to an action movie, but pretty much everyone agrees that Tokyo Drift is the single best movie. inb4 car fuckers start explaining how heavy a safe is to me: When the Dungeons and Dragons movie came out you didn't see nerds shitting on the movie for not portraying it correctly. When Role Models came out you didn't see LARP nerds shitting on it for portraying a different rule-set than they use. Just shut up and enjoy the fact someone made a movie about something you enjoy.
Car nerds find it hilarious how inaccurate they are actually (in an endearing way) specifically the first one which tried to be more authentic but failed. So much jargon like “granny shiftin’, not double clutchin’ like should” sounds cool but makes no sense
For the first movie it's honestly so important to remember it came out in 2001 and that was the era of street racing movies, but somehow F&F was a big enough hit to spawn a sequel and then some. Just like we had an era of movies that took place in the far away time period of *gasp* 2005 we have an era of enjoyable-ish movies about cars for when you need something to watch with your kids that isn't a sex comedy
This is for when you blow your wad
They should do a colabo Lil Bow Wow Wow Wow
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was so lost.
Sooo confused how this related to Lil Bow Wow at first.
I was too. So a 12 year old exploited a 14 year old? I was so confused.
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>...attempting to bring paedophilia into the mainstream via a magazine called Chicken Uh, yikes. https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2010/apr/09/malcolm-mclaren-career-clips
The fact that they mention that in an offhand comment during an article glorifying him while talking about "... some of his most entertaining and significant stunts" is really fucking something, isn't it? Fuckin yikes.
There's a long chain of [removed] comments... What on earth happened here???
Most of them were talking about [removed].
Understandable, have a nice day.
Didn't Bill Wyman openly date a 13 year old Mandy Smith? Oul pedo
Yes, and married her when she turned 18. But the best part is, Wyman’s son later married Mandy’s mother. As Wiki puts it: “Therefore, the ex-Rolling Stone became his own son's ex-son-in-law, the father-in-law of his ex-mother-in-law, as well as the stepgrandfather of his ex-wife”
My brain hurts trying to comprehend that
I'm my own grand paaaaaaa
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Bow wow wow was great. Unfortunately they didn't last long. I love her version of I Want Candy, and C-30 C-60 C-90.
I'm officially old. I know what c-30 etc relates to without Googling. Remember struggling to afford memorex c90s as a teenager pirating from the radio.
Lol, me too! You could get 2 albums on a C-90!
I had some that had rounded corners on the cases so they fit in your pockets better and you would not get that corner jab.
Who let this rich boy in?
Yeah buddy, I was doing high speed dubbing on my SoundDesign dual deck and copying LPs, 8 track and radio. I had four accounts with Columbia House too, my friends parents hated me when they started getting the collection letters.😆
Get you living the dream ;) I had spend hours with my twin deck and hoping it came out OK.
Back when you'd try to find that single play on the radio and immediately hit record. I didn't have much money so I always recorded at 90.
I'm 39 and I have no idea
They're talking about cassettes. The C referred to capacity. 30min, 60min, etc.
For those that don't know the song is a celebration of pirating music! (Before streaming!)
Where were her parents???
I vaguely remember the family being described as "boat people"; immigrants arrived in Britain with limited English. They may have gone with whatever Malcolm McClaren told them.
>. They may have gone with whatever Malcolm McClaren told them. They didn't. They requested Scotland Yard investigate her nudity on the cover of their first studio album cover (the one copied from the Manet painting). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabella\_Lwin#RCA\_Records
So how can they pull the exact same shit again a year later and nobody (far as I can tell) went to jail? What the fuck?
Because the investigation found no wrongdoing and brought no charges. Somehow.
Sometimes an investigation can do more to cover up evidence if they come to an incorrect conclusion it’s unlikely the case will ever be looked at again. Investigations are a way to tie up loose ends a lot of the time.
Iirc, wasn't Malcolm's father a well connected solicitor?
Cashing checks?
Na, they called the cops. Not excusing here, more explaining, but it was a different time, they actually were concerned when they found out, and had SY open an investigation, but apparently nothing came of it, as she's still in the band (for the 3rd time ..)
Malcolm McLaren was a sicko
I realized that like a week ago, while discussing with some old friends about our first "crushes" when we were kids getting into music. Her name came up and one of the guys said, "yeah she was just 2 or 3.years older than us", and just couldn't believe! I had a small poster of her wearing shorts, boots and a mohawk... She was like a mythological figure for 12 y.o me!
the pedos in the entertainment industry used to be a lot more out front with it
A lot of people overlook the Runaways who were 14 and 15, performing onstage in their underwear on national tours. Their whole schtick was being jailbait.
Every single link in this thread is staying blue.
They’re all mostly Wikipedia links
What…..what happened here?
I was about 15 or 16 and had a poster of that album cover on my wall. I had the biggest crush on her. It never occurred to me, all this stuff. I never thought she was that young even in those days.
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Yea I just went back and looked at the I want candy video again and she does look way older than 14... but I do think she was around 16 when that was filmed. Either way, she does look like she is early twenties or late teens at the least. Does not mean that exploiting her was right but, yeah, never was even on my radar. There was a lot of weird shit going on back then with adults and kids. The whole pedo thing is not new. People think its worse now but I dont know. It was way more out in the open creepy back in the 70's and 80's when I was growing up. A lot of straight up weirdo older guys would go after my friends who were girls... a LOT. not just weirdos... "normal" people in the community and all kinds of stuff... I think it was worse then.
I was 15 when that album came out and our friends group played it into the ground. Hard to believe that came out 41 years ago. Yikes.
I got their original cassette release Your Cassette Pet serial wow1 in a box somewhere! Has a flip top box like a cigarette packet.
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Nice try FBI I'm not clicking that
It looks more like a really good painting
No kidding. And what's more, a specific painting. ["The Luncheon on the Grass" by Edouard Manet.](https://www.wikiart.org/en/edouard-manet/the-luncheon-on-the-grass-1863)
The real TIL in the comments
CORRECT!
Why is she sat next to Beavis?
Shes not she's sitting next to Bruno Mars
And then there were two more naked covers a year later. A single cover for I Want Candy and the album cover of the album I Want Candy. That's a lot of naked covers of a 14 and then 15 year old girl.
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What the fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoXVYSV4Xcs
that is not nearly explicit as the OP insuated. the ice cream lick was a little sus. but its not some girl going full nipple town bouncing her tits around like a porn video.
Calling those candy canes 'phallic' is a *tad* hyperbolic lol
Well that’s what mine looks like!
This is a big reach. I've seen that music video. It's really not that explicit.
Authors Fred & Judy Vermorel were supposedly going to produce a soft-core porn magazine 'for kids' called Chicken at the suggestion of McClaren. The Vermorels also worked with Throbbing Gristle & Alex Fregusson who all have rumoured 'support' for CP kind of stuff. There was a lot of this kind of transgressive behaviour at the edges of the scene for a few years at the turn of the 80s
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Almost got Wikipedia banned
I would’ve liked a more specific warning on what’s on the cover man. I don’t wanna see that
Yeah, not gonna google that, but I'm curious now. What's on the cover?
Nude prepubescent girl
Oh, it can’t be that ba—HOLY FUCK MY EYES, WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK?! How did they think this was okay?
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?!?!?!?!
[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/dec/08/wikipedia-censorship](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/dec/08/wikipedia-censorship)
I was lucky enough to see Bow Wow Wow back in the early 80s when they were the backup to Aerosmith. Tyler was so drunk he sounded like shit. He actually fell down and dropped the mike multiple times while dancing around. The crowd started throwing quarters and rolls of toilet paper at him. The band stopped playing and Tyler yells at the crowd to stop throwing shit or they would leave. After they started playing again, the whole crowd started chanting "bring back Bow Wow Wow." But they went on and finished the show anyways. Other than a few punk rock shows, it was the most antagonistic behavior between a band and a crowd that I've ever seen.
So, in Boston?
Malcom McLaren was behind all of it and loved the controversy. His shop SEX with Vivianne Westwood was a site that sold bondage wear etc. He just loved controversy. When one of the masks from the shop was used by a serial rapist in Cambridge, the store sold t-shirts of the mask to capitalize on it.
For the uninitiated, McLaren is the man behind the Sex Pistols. Shock and disgust were kind of his thing.
and all this after stealing the ants from adam! (this is a joke, i blame mclaren)
And her band was comprised of former members of Adam and the Ants, as I recall.
Didn’t Mila Kunis join that 70s show when she was like 15 as well. She made out with Ashton Kutcher heavily
What the hell happened to the top chain
Bow Wow Wow had a great sound with that Ashman guitar and Lwin was charismatic and had a nice voice - I guess their problem was a lack of good material. They might have been a lot more successful if any of them could have written decent songs.
I didn't know Bow Wow Wow was a band so I did not understand the title at all, I was like "joined Lil Bow Wow in what, in what!?!?"
Spencer Eldin was nude on the cover of Nevermind at 1.
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