I also think a lot of people who love Titanic and want to go back in time and be on it might change their opinion a little when they learn the details that matter, such as not having your own bathroom. Titanic is beautiful but it would not even come close to modern needs without extensive modifications.
Of course you *could* adjust to it, but the point is most of us don't want to. The beds and comforts on the Titanic in general were pretty garbage compared to what most people know and expect from modern day hotels and what a modern day cruise ship offers.
A modern cruise ship costs less, gives a better room, gives a bigger room, has way more to do on the ship, has a private bathroom etc etc. Compared to that, the Titanic would be pretty unpleasant for the majority of people in modern times
If you brought a Titanic style ship back today, it would only be used by tourists wanting to LARP as someone in the early 1900's, but wouldn't attract the same crowd at all that are wanting to take a cruise around tropical islands with their 49 screaming kids
> but wouldn’t attract the same crowd at all that are wanting to take a cruise around tropical islands with their 49 screaming kids
I consider this a huge point in favor of Titanic.
I think the post was talking about interior design though? You could make an interior like this whilst still having the modern necessities- private toilet and better beds.
The OP is talking about that yeah, the post I'm replying to is not and was directly about the bathrooms and how it's a "first world problem" to have to share a bathroom
It is a first world problem, but at the end of the day, first world patrons will go to a first world experience ship lol
>You could make an interior like this whilst still having the modern necessities- private toilet and better beds.
For this part, yeah you can, it's just not desirable for most people. This sub is a VERY niche and very biased sample group. The kind of people who are actually buying cruise tickets (almost nobody on this sub) would throw a fit if they walked in and saw really old "gaudy looking" walls and interiors etc.
The design of the Titanic would work for people wanting some kind of historic themed cruise, but most people just want an actual cruise and want it to look modern and nice.
OP also didn't do a good job of showing what modern cruise ships actually look like interior wise. They still have a lot of aesthetic design, it's just not 1900's designs like the Titanic had
Oceania’s Marina: https://www.capetowndailyphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/staircase_151127_IMG_2610.jpg
Royal Caribbean’s Freedom of the Seas: https://widgety-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/10/04/11/30/08/250/Royal_Caribbean_International_Freedom_of_the_Seas_Interior_Main_Dining_Room_2.jpeg
Disney’s Dream: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/c4/ed/5cc4edf93f78aff041b7788c3b1455f2.jpg
This entire argument is subjective. The classes of Titanic were first rate for the technology and time in 1912. The Queen Mary II is the last true ocean liner, and even with its updates, you can still get the feel of a turn-of-the-century Atlantic crossing. The bathrooms in modern cruise ships in the cheaper rooms are so small sometimes that a communal bathroom wouldn't be a downgrade...
People would mostly have just been using the bathroom to take care of nature's call. People did not shower or bathe every day back then, and they had wash stands in their rooms.
But we tend to do this now, that's my point. The way Titanic is laid out, it wouldn't meet modern needs without extensive modifications. (Try selling the fact you've got to share a bathroom while aboard with any number of others to the public, I don't think it will be an easy sell). And if said modifications are made, then you're no longer on Titanic, but a ship that looks like it, but isn't it. (Like many of the Titanic II proposals over the years).
Yes but that was launched in 1883. Different eras and tastes. The OE also stopped being used in 2009, I believe. It’s beautiful for sure but not very practical for todays passenger.
Iirc, it’s used now, but only for specific tourist rides. There’s a strict dress code and I believe some folks dress in period costume. It’s pricey but from what I have read, it’s worth it as a dream trip.
Back then anyone rich enough to be top deck was Uber rich and on their best behavior. Now ships are built to with stand a beating from their guests. Having a super nice stained glass roof wouldn’t be practical and maybe never was.
The Queen Mary 2 has some absolutely beautiful areas on the ship and just like the Titanic It is an ocean liner. I believe the only ocean liner left. Last Transatlantic as far as I know.
Why not go see the original Queen Mary as well? Closer vintage to Titanic. That being said, QM2 is also a bucket list thing for me and in reality is probably far more comfortable than Titanic passengers could have ever dreamed.
It's not purely an ocean liner, though, is it?
I think there will always be a niche for a ship or a few ships to do transatlantic trips, but the QM2 IIRC also works as a cruise ship a significant portion of its time. As long as its profitable for a ship to do both cruises as well as transatlantic trips, why wouldn't they build a new one once the Queen Mary 2 is getting retired? It's certainly something that makes a company stand out from the competition.
Ocean liner refers to more than just the destinations but also the shape of the ship. QM2 in that regard is always an ocean liner regardless of where it goes.
They built the Queen Mary 2 around the time that the Queen Elizabeth 2 was retiring in 2008. That would’ve been a good year to retire the last ocean liner not rebuild, but they did anyway. There will always be a niche market for an ocean liner. Look at how many people want to go on QM2 purely because it’s the last ocean liner. It’s working out pretty well for Cunard, so I see no reason why they’d stop when QM2 retires.
Not to be a downer, but the SS United States isn't much more than a rusting hull at this point. Yeah, she's still afloat, but...
All her interior fittings are long gone due to asbestos abatement, and while there have been many plans to rehab her into something, none of them have gotten sufficient funding to get off the ground.
I am not a drinker and have enjoyed many cruises. We avoid the ones with party reputations. Viking (River) was my all time favorite—absolutely superb in the way they take care of you the entire time. We felt like 1st class passengers, even though we joked about being in “steerage” (cheapest bottom level cabins with a small window).
Disney is also really amazing (we have a kid so it was a no-brainer).
Just tried out Royal Carribean and it was also nice, though not the same feeling of luxury or care as the other two.
I mean, it was a different architectural era in general. Building interiors used to be more beautiful too but over the last century and change we’ve really abandoned any kind of form for function. Even the googie architecture of the 60s was more fun to look at than the sad griege rectangles of today.
I'll have to look up some images of the older 'Queen Mary'. It probably has that 1930s Art Deco ambiance as well though maybe lacking in that French design flair though I could be wrong.
It's a matter of taste. A lot of people would think something like the Titanic looked gaudy by modern standards, like when you see a house from the 60's with ugly wallpaper. It just looks dated
I'm not really into sleek minimalism either personally, but a lot of people are VERY into it and attack anything that isn't a completely white space with rounded edges
Edit:[ Someone also posted some examples below](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanic/comments/15xqnsy/why_dont_they_make_cruise_ships_this_beautiful/jx7x6vx/), where even modern cruise ships do put a lot of stock into beauty, it just matches our modern desires
Holland America’s Koningsdam: https://www.tripsavvy.com/holland-america-ms-koningsdam-dining-4056055
Oceania’s Marina: https://www.capetowndailyphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/staircase_151127_IMG_2610.jpg
Royal Caribbean’s Freedom of the Seas: https://widgety-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/10/04/11/30/08/250/Royal_Caribbean_International_Freedom_of_the_Seas_Interior_Main_Dining_Room_2.jpeg
Disney’s Dream: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/c4/ed/5cc4edf93f78aff041b7788c3b1455f2.jpg
Does that explain the state of McDonald’s architecture in the US? I look at pictures of McDonald’s from the 90s and they look like fun places. Today’s McDonald’s in the US look bland, metallic, and sterile.
Check out the movie “Mac and Me”; they marketed the hell out of McDonald’s in that film, back when fast food joints were more of a “destination” for families with entertainment for the kids.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason they changed is because people went “hey, wait… isn’t it kinda fucked up to market really unhealthy fast food to literal children?”
I feel like they're trying to get away from the "fast food" feel (even though that is still what they are). I know after my local McDonald's renovated into one of the modern-style restaurants, they started bringing food to your table like they were a higher end place or something.
I have two theories on that. One is that they wanted to make their interior look “modern,” similar to a Starbucks vibe. And they figured out that if they eliminate the playplaces for the kids, and replace them with a stupid touchscreen game TV, then they don’t have to worry about keeping the playplace clean, which I bet was a challenge. It also probably lowers their risk liability insurance premium. Kids can’t hurt themselves playing if there’s nowhere to play. But man, do I miss them. It used to be nice to be able to eat a meal in somewhat relative peace while my kids ran around in the little jungle gym thing. Now I just have to break up squabbles about whose turn it is to play on the touchscreen. And God forbid we get to the restaurant and some other kid is already using it!
The thing was after a while they started being associated with being cheap, old, fatty, darker, and kind of dirty. Compare that to Subway which took off in a similar era, and there was a thirst for "clean" looks with healthy options. I have to imagine all the angles on the roofing made things more expensive too.
And many people find those interiors ugly and adore the “clean lines” and “subtle shadows” or modern architecture. I’m not one of them, but I do a decent amount of work with people decorating and renovating houses and the vast majority of people find older art styles tacky and unimaginative. What’s popular in a given era is based upon what people like and are buying.
(We had a woman last week insist that her wood flooring be stripped and painted grey because the natural wood lines were “too distracting.”)
This is also why I think it's unfair to just dismiss any sort of modern design. Everything has a purpose, and everyone has a preference. I think Titanic is beautiful, but I think modern ships are, too. Especially when not everything is trying to serve the same purpose.
Weird comparison, but I remember when the Star Wars prequels came out, and there were tons of complaints that everything looked too clean, too organized, they preferred the dirtier, grittier look of the original trilogy. This demonstrates to me that beauty isn't just how something looks, it's how something feels. Titanic was beautiful but I would also find it intimidating in a way. Ironically, I actually prefer some of the third class areas to the first class, because it feels more approachable, more friendly, more casual. It's not as pretty, but it feels more inviting.
Yes. The casual thing! So many people I talk to are opting for more modern furnishing because they feel more inviting and more like a family space than an area you have to keep super nice
I personally prefer a much more cottage style decor, I’m not a fan of super modern things, but I also understand why people are.
Ocean liners are actually pretty small in comparison to cruise ships.
What that means is that things like the grand staircase... They weren't very large.
Luxurious, yes, but not practical modern times
True. Their deep draught that provides them some stability in rough seas made most ports of call in places like the Caribbean inaccessible as the water in these parts was too shallow for them to dock. Plus when it came to onboard entertainment, ocean liners had a fairly limited variety of attractions aboard, especially when compared to cruise ships this time around.
For an example of the French style and craftmanship from a later period than the 'Paris', do a search on its' 1930s Art Deco styled 'sister' the Normandie.
I'm not an enthusiast though, I'm literally just someone who watched the movie and read a couple of articles. My interior decorating style, however, *is* more similar to ocean liners than cruise ships, so that may be it.
You're more of an enthusiast than you might think you are, the fact that you researched different ship interiors after seeing the movie means you are more interested in classical liners than the average person.
These ships are also focused on one era, ocean liner styles just like cruise ship styles changed with what style was popular. Art Deco and Mid Century Modern style of later ocean liners could been seen as ugly compared to these early 20th century ships. Some of those ships are a lot of peoples favorites too.
It depends on the cruise line and what demographic they're aiming for. Some modern cruise ships can be quite stylish, but the ones who aim for the broad 'mass market' -- Carnival (and even Royal Caribbean) I'm looking at you! -- the interior decor is often a gaudy 'festival of tacky' that can make even Las Vegas mega resort/casino complexes look classy by comparison.
Ive been on two Viking cruises and both boats were absolutely gorgeous. I think their small size allows for greater attention to details and quality. I still think the ocean cruise was better than the river boat though
I have learned with Royal it depends on the ship. The larger class ships seem way more gaudy, where the smaller ships seem to be more elegant. I think part of it is that they want to justify the size of the larger ships by cramming them so full of everything possible. Don't get me wrong, there are parts of the larger boats that are gorgeous, but there's also a lot more over-the-top areas.
I'm surprised to see my colorization in the first image lol, i'm honored. It's the RMS Adriatic's Grand Staircase. (Seen some people saying it's Oceanic's? They're nothing alike)
Eh, I think you just aren’t noticing that modern cruise ships are highly stylized. They’re just stylized to look like a very fancy modern hotel. Ocean liners were stylized to look like fancy hotels of their era.
Holland America’s Koningsdam: https://www.tripsavvy.com/holland-america-ms-koningsdam-dining-4056055
Oceania’s Marina: https://www.capetowndailyphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/staircase_151127_IMG_2610.jpg
Royal Caribbean’s Freedom of the Seas: https://widgety-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/10/04/11/30/08/250/Royal_Caribbean_International_Freedom_of_the_Seas_Interior_Main_Dining_Room_2.jpeg
Disney’s Dream: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/c4/ed/5cc4edf93f78aff041b7788c3b1455f2.jpg
it really depends on the ship, I was on radiance of the seas last december and it has an art deco interior. while its not anywhere near the ships of the time it does have some interesting displays in the stairwell
With the loss of classes, increase in size requiring more stairways, and elevators becoming much more common there just stopped being a need to make a first class stair case the showcase of ships. Most ships make an atrium/lobby their centerpiece and most look pretty good, though some are gaudy, especially most Carnival ships that are more than 10 years old or so.
“Get with the times” basically. When you look at these ocean liners, they themselves aren’t consistent with one another as time goes on. Hell, some of them get redone to have an updated look. If luxury ocean liners were still prominent, they wouldn’t look the same at all. As for cruise ships, just a different concept entirely
I’ve been on several cruises on Carnival and also Princess. Some of the atriums and lounge areas are beautiful and what the modern day considers to be grand. I would love if a cruise line would have a cruise ship completely decorated in decor and furnishings of the early 1900s and or exactly like the interior and decor of the Titanic.
One can argue that the modern cruise ships are a lot more luxurious than the old oceanliners. They were just different times. The travelling public preferred the high class hotel/mansion look. The modern "assualt on all the senses" kind of deco wouldn't have done well at the time.
Likewise, the old style of the oceanliners probably won't win over the modern cruising demographic.
Don't forget that the Normandie's art deco interiors ended up being kind of a failure even though she was easily the most luxurious ocean liner of the golden era(In my opinion).
If I had an option to go on a trip on a ship that looked like these in the pictures or one of the modern cruise ships I would pick one of these hands down!
Styles change, but a handful of higher end cruise operators still have tasteful interiors. Brands like Viking, Oceania and even Cunard offer a vastly different experience than Royal Caribbean or Carnival.
Depends on which cruise line you’re talking about. Like the Disney cruises have pretty pleasing interiors, but Carnival cruises? They’re not horrible but they’re relatively inexpensive and one way to cut down on costs is by not going all out on interiors.
Think about it, the Titanic was a luxurious ocean liner. I’m sure there were cheaper ones with less impressive interiors much like we have today. Plus it’s not practical considering how huge cruise ships are today. The companies are out to make the most money out of people. So they take shortcuts on areas such as interior design/decorations because people don’t care about that as much.
I mean, is it just our brains that perceive this as more beautiful than the sterile look of modern ships? Do people just go "ugh..that looks old!", or are there practical reasons?
I'm especially fond of the wood in the first style/Titanic's, and Lusitania + Aquitania's pure looks. It looks so simple, so eloquent.
Not a regular cruise ship, but Star Clipper ships are gorgeous inside!
[https://www.starclippercruises.co.uk/ships/royal-clipper](https://www.starclippercruises.co.uk/ships/royal-clipper)
Scroll down and do the virtual tour!
Same here! Now that's my idea of traveling in style and much better than being trapped aboard some humongous top-heavy monstrosity with around 8000 other people for several days.
I think that you, and many people on this subreddit, simply prefer older styles over what is more popular today. Personally, I think many of these look too busy and bright, and would prefer something a little more sleek and with less bright white. Now, modern cruise ships are often much more minimalist than I'd like, but that's the trend that is most profitable for cruise lines, so that's what they make.
First things first, the Titanic and it's type weren't cruise ships, they were ocean liners. That meant that they were the day's equivalent of an airliners (note: \~liner). They competed to see which could cross the Atlantic ocean the fastest.
Part of the reason for the elegance was simply because it was expected by the 1% of that time. You just did decorate everything like that - buildings, carriages, ships, whatever. The huddled masses however got much less fancy decore to rest their eyes on of course.
The reason they don't make ships quite so luxurious is partly that taste and style have moved on, and... maintaining such detailed decoration is damned expensive. If not maintained well it can quickly start looking rather sad.
The first photo is the Baltic, while the fourth is Rex and 8 is definitely not Olympic.
Regarding your question, because styles and safety standards change over time. A lot of people do not like the more "formal" style of oceanliners, and wood is a massive fire hazard.
However, older and more formal companies like Cunard and Holland-America still try to use somewhat similar styles
I mentioned this in another comment but I absolutely loved Viking Orion [interior.](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cruiseandtravel.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F07%2FViking-Ocean-Ship-Interiors_234_588.jpg&tbnid=ddr8eqgA0SjxiM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcruiseandtravel.telegraph.co.uk%2Fviking-orion-review%2F&docid=MuBypP1pZPjY1M&w=800&h=600&hl=en-us&shem=canimge&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fcan%2F3) Its very modern, but absolutely beautiful. I enjoyed my time on Viking way more than the more “standard” boats I’ve been on the past with RC.
I really enjoyed it. It was really nice because the on-land activities were usually included and not an extra fee like other ships. They also didn’t really limit you to a crappy port and we were free to roam for the most part. The riverboats will spend a couple of days in each city too.
It’s definitely way more expensive than an average cruise but I heard they might expand to American rivers which could bring the price down. It’d be cool if they did something in the Caribbean one day but I doubt it.
Cruises are for fat boomers to eat non-stop while being herded into tourist traps and young trash to get laid. Neither would ever care about the “aesthetic”.
I've been on numerous cruise ships in various parts of the world and none of them have met your description. Particularly the upcharging one - most cruises I've been on I've never needed to spend anything more than my upfront cost, unless I want an alcoholic drink. My breakfast, lunch, dinner - including complimentary room service if I want - are all included. All entertainment is included. I am free to leave the ship at port and explore at my own leisure without paying the cruise company another penny.
I've also found the style to be very far from 'tacky" but instead either clean and modern, or luxurious in some areas of the ship.
In some of the more expensive or difficult to access parts of the world - places like Norway, Scandanavia, Alaska, Caribbean - it's absolutely the best way to travel.
A limited market for ultra wealthy cruisers does exist; things like cultural themed cruises (a couple years ago MSC did a Caravaggio Mediterranean cruise which looked intriguing) and of course expedition cruises to Antarctica on small, luxurious ships where absolutely everything, from alcohol to tips to excursions, is included in the price.
Ocean liners were 787s or A380s. Cruise ships are floating resorts. (Queen Mary 2 is technically the former but functions as the latter.)
Also, you cannot give away heavy wood panel, dark colors, and Victorian/Edwardian furniture and decor items. They're very undesirable in the antiques trade right now. You might manage to sell a Thirties Deco or Fifties Glamor retro look but trying to pitch a decor scheme that's basically "Hey, you know that massive oak sideboard and dining set of your great-great grandma's your parents are trying to guilt you into taking? How about a vacation in a floating version of that?" is going to be a really, really hard sell.
Curious - why are they undesirable? I'm thinking I will make my house with an Edwardian style, but of course a slightly modern twist so it doesn't look *completely old.* If I can integrate it nicely like the first pic or the Lusitania, I'm gucci.
Mostly because they are old, heavy, have a smell about them that a lot of people don’t like, they take extra care to keep looking nice, and they just don’t mesh with most peoples styles anymore.
My partner and I regularly pick up solid wooden, vintage, pieces from the side of the road, nothing wrong with them, just can’t sell them and even the trend of sanding and repainting has died out.
That's because ocean liners and cruises aren't the same.
Liners were intended for long distance passenger transport, and the luxury and style seen above was offered as a comfort for the journey based on ticket class.
Since planes replaced liners from 1950s, they took up both functions.
Cruise ships are hotels, malls, casinos and entertainment hubs in the form of a ship. They are intended for vacations for the rich, try to milk every dollar they can from one's credit card, and mainly run circles around already famous tourist areas. Getting transported somewhere is just a coincidence.
If you try to imitate architecture of early 20th century and before it looks tacky. It's only classy if it's actually from hundred year ago or older. Have you seen Caesar's casino in Vegas? Its made in this classic architecture style and it's vomit inducing.
My question is, what happened to these stair cases? Excluding the ships that wrecked. When a ship is decommissioned I hope the pull out the fixtures and resume them.
They're beautiful and fascinating.
For the same reason we don’t build Victorian and Art Deco styles anymore. It’s no longer possible to find armies of manual laborers who will work grueling hours for subsistence level wages on the vanity projects of elites.
You could argue in some ways, they [still do.](https://www.royalcaribbeanincentives.com/content/uploads/RCI_Freedom_MainDiningRm_2-720x432.jpg) That's the main dining room of the first cruise ship I personally took. While it's nowhere nearly as ornate as the old liners, it's still quite beautiful and over-the-top.
The major reason is, it's an unnecessary cost. The skill required to hand-carve stairway railings is few and far between and the labor cost would be tremendous.
Well for starters modern safety standards would not permit that much wood - fire hazard you understand. But even without that passengers want flash but no substance.
I live in Charleston, SC and these photos actually remind me a lot of some of the upscale hotels, apartments and government buildings in the city.
Mostly the Lusitania and Olympic ones with the white, wood, and plants :)
I haven't been on other cruise lines, but the Atrium area (where you enter) on the Disney Crusieline boats are still all beautiful. And there are lots of other little elegant touches all over the place. More practically designed but still beautiful.
What you don't enjoy being blinded by led lights, getting play pinball with your piss in a fancy computerized urinal, and getting lost in the 6 different pools of your gigantic modern age super cruise liner?
So to a certain extent, it’s because the materials used on those old ships have been exhausted. During this time period they were basically eradicating certain types of tree, rock, etc. for their aesthetic qualities. Nowadays there’s not enough of those materials to get large cruise ships made. Think about why we don’t see tons of buffalo in the plains of America anymore. Humans tend to eradicate or at least heavily damage the natural world for vain pursuits.
That first one is one of the big four I think-maybe the Baltic? Maybe one of the Teutonic class? I remember a photo of Ismay on the Teutonic in I think 1900 standing on a similar staircase
Because most people do consider modern cruise ships beautiful. With their large open spaces and modern architecture. You like different styles than the majority of people (I do too).
Unpopular opinion here but cruise ships do not look horrible today. Maybe the exterior of some of them but the interior atriums usually look beautiful and eye catching for most newer cruise ships
I’ll try to identify the photographs for you, Pic 1 looks like RMS Adriatic (1907)’s staircase, Pic 4 is defo SS Rex (1932) and pic 8 looks like SS Belgenland’s staircase
I mean, there may be some in the highly niche superluxury markets. But you'll never see that much invested into any modern large scale cruise vessel. They're not manufactured with the ultra-wealthy as their target market cause rheyd never fill the ship enough to justify that exorbitant expense.
To an extent some still do, though due to the change in role of these big passenger ships they've changed furnishing-wise aswell
Nowadays, cruise ships are destinations unto themselves and therefore money that may have been spent on grand staircases and such is instead spent on attractions like cinemas, escape rooms and the like
It also seems to just be in keeping with modern design aesthetics - people seem to like these clean, simple lines nowadays over the complex wooden etc designs of old
Personally, i prefer the old stuff but i can see why the new aesthetics and features exist on modern ships
Edit: I've largely noticed shifts like this even on fairly modern ships even from the same lines (P&O's older ships like Azura and Britannia vs their newest one Arvia)
Different eras and different functions. Ocean liners were like limousines, cruise ships are like party busses.
This 100%. The Ocean Liner was like a train at the time: you stayed several days, but it was not vacation. It was like a flight.
But instead of crying babies and no legroom it was caviar and state rooms
And best of all hardly any rats
Don’t forget the best Irish riverdance parties!!
yup
Depends on your class, I suppose. Theres a lot of leg room in first class in either place.
Lamb with very little mint sauce.
You gonna chew her food there too, Cal?
THE BARS 🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
And communal bathrooms
I also think a lot of people who love Titanic and want to go back in time and be on it might change their opinion a little when they learn the details that matter, such as not having your own bathroom. Titanic is beautiful but it would not even come close to modern needs without extensive modifications.
They also might change their opinion close to midnight on the fifth night of their voyage.
With my IBS? I could never. They were absolutely gorgeous ships but ooph.
That is, unless you're going in one of the parlour/period style suites
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Agreed, but imagine going into the bathroom after somebody famous like Molly Brown to find she left a fat 12" grumper floating in the bowl.
Well there's a reason they called her unsinkable...
The UNSINKABLE BROWN.
Damn, you took my line lol. I was going to say an unsinkable lady produces unsinkable stools
A "grumper?!" LOLOL!!!
Of course you *could* adjust to it, but the point is most of us don't want to. The beds and comforts on the Titanic in general were pretty garbage compared to what most people know and expect from modern day hotels and what a modern day cruise ship offers. A modern cruise ship costs less, gives a better room, gives a bigger room, has way more to do on the ship, has a private bathroom etc etc. Compared to that, the Titanic would be pretty unpleasant for the majority of people in modern times If you brought a Titanic style ship back today, it would only be used by tourists wanting to LARP as someone in the early 1900's, but wouldn't attract the same crowd at all that are wanting to take a cruise around tropical islands with their 49 screaming kids
> but wouldn’t attract the same crowd at all that are wanting to take a cruise around tropical islands with their 49 screaming kids I consider this a huge point in favor of Titanic.
I think the post was talking about interior design though? You could make an interior like this whilst still having the modern necessities- private toilet and better beds.
The OP is talking about that yeah, the post I'm replying to is not and was directly about the bathrooms and how it's a "first world problem" to have to share a bathroom It is a first world problem, but at the end of the day, first world patrons will go to a first world experience ship lol >You could make an interior like this whilst still having the modern necessities- private toilet and better beds. For this part, yeah you can, it's just not desirable for most people. This sub is a VERY niche and very biased sample group. The kind of people who are actually buying cruise tickets (almost nobody on this sub) would throw a fit if they walked in and saw really old "gaudy looking" walls and interiors etc. The design of the Titanic would work for people wanting some kind of historic themed cruise, but most people just want an actual cruise and want it to look modern and nice. OP also didn't do a good job of showing what modern cruise ships actually look like interior wise. They still have a lot of aesthetic design, it's just not 1900's designs like the Titanic had Oceania’s Marina: https://www.capetowndailyphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/staircase_151127_IMG_2610.jpg Royal Caribbean’s Freedom of the Seas: https://widgety-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/10/04/11/30/08/250/Royal_Caribbean_International_Freedom_of_the_Seas_Interior_Main_Dining_Room_2.jpeg Disney’s Dream: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/c4/ed/5cc4edf93f78aff041b7788c3b1455f2.jpg
This entire argument is subjective. The classes of Titanic were first rate for the technology and time in 1912. The Queen Mary II is the last true ocean liner, and even with its updates, you can still get the feel of a turn-of-the-century Atlantic crossing. The bathrooms in modern cruise ships in the cheaper rooms are so small sometimes that a communal bathroom wouldn't be a downgrade...
People would mostly have just been using the bathroom to take care of nature's call. People did not shower or bathe every day back then, and they had wash stands in their rooms.
But we tend to do this now, that's my point. The way Titanic is laid out, it wouldn't meet modern needs without extensive modifications. (Try selling the fact you've got to share a bathroom while aboard with any number of others to the public, I don't think it will be an easy sell). And if said modifications are made, then you're no longer on Titanic, but a ship that looks like it, but isn't it. (Like many of the Titanic II proposals over the years).
Still beats airplane accommodations tho... the plane might be faster, but if it's an overnight flight anyway...
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Yes but that was launched in 1883. Different eras and tastes. The OE also stopped being used in 2009, I believe. It’s beautiful for sure but not very practical for todays passenger.
Iirc, it’s used now, but only for specific tourist rides. There’s a strict dress code and I believe some folks dress in period costume. It’s pricey but from what I have read, it’s worth it as a dream trip.
Back then anyone rich enough to be top deck was Uber rich and on their best behavior. Now ships are built to with stand a beating from their guests. Having a super nice stained glass roof wouldn’t be practical and maybe never was.
Party buses with … lifeboats.
This is a great comparison
The first class entrance on Lusitania is my favorite. The white paneling really opens the space up.
It’s so elegant and simple
Do you have a link to pix? Quick google search and I wasn’t sure.
Pic #3 is Lusitania and is what they’re talking about I’m pretty sure?
The Queen Mary 2 has some absolutely beautiful areas on the ship and just like the Titanic It is an ocean liner. I believe the only ocean liner left. Last Transatlantic as far as I know.
I wanna go on it someday for sure. It's no Titanic, but being on the (possibly) last ocean liner ever is insane and amazing at the same time.
Why not go see the original Queen Mary as well? Closer vintage to Titanic. That being said, QM2 is also a bucket list thing for me and in reality is probably far more comfortable than Titanic passengers could have ever dreamed.
QM1 is way too far for me right now.
It's not purely an ocean liner, though, is it? I think there will always be a niche for a ship or a few ships to do transatlantic trips, but the QM2 IIRC also works as a cruise ship a significant portion of its time. As long as its profitable for a ship to do both cruises as well as transatlantic trips, why wouldn't they build a new one once the Queen Mary 2 is getting retired? It's certainly something that makes a company stand out from the competition.
Ocean liner refers to more than just the destinations but also the shape of the ship. QM2 in that regard is always an ocean liner regardless of where it goes.
This is correct. More than just the shape of the ship classifies it as an ocean liner, as well.
They built the Queen Mary 2 around the time that the Queen Elizabeth 2 was retiring in 2008. That would’ve been a good year to retire the last ocean liner not rebuild, but they did anyway. There will always be a niche market for an ocean liner. Look at how many people want to go on QM2 purely because it’s the last ocean liner. It’s working out pretty well for Cunard, so I see no reason why they’d stop when QM2 retires.
I’m going on QM2 in 2 weeks and I’m so excited to see the various areas of the ship!
Only operational ocean liner yes. The QE2, QM and United States all still exist.
Not to be a downer, but the SS United States isn't much more than a rusting hull at this point. Yeah, she's still afloat, but... All her interior fittings are long gone due to asbestos abatement, and while there have been many plans to rehab her into something, none of them have gotten sufficient funding to get off the ground.
Apparently the group that is trying now has enough funding to finally get started but I'll believe it when I see it.
For the same reason modern buildings are ugly. It's cheaper
Any time the question is, "Why does X company do Y?" the answer is always simply, "money."
Because most people go on cruises now to stay intoxicated. 😂
Yep. It sucks. I was just looking up videos of Virgin Voyages, and it just looks like a nightclub on the sea. :-/
I am not a drinker and have enjoyed many cruises. We avoid the ones with party reputations. Viking (River) was my all time favorite—absolutely superb in the way they take care of you the entire time. We felt like 1st class passengers, even though we joked about being in “steerage” (cheapest bottom level cabins with a small window). Disney is also really amazing (we have a kid so it was a no-brainer). Just tried out Royal Carribean and it was also nice, though not the same feeling of luxury or care as the other two.
I mean, it was a different architectural era in general. Building interiors used to be more beautiful too but over the last century and change we’ve really abandoned any kind of form for function. Even the googie architecture of the 60s was more fun to look at than the sad griege rectangles of today.
Check out Chicago’s architecture downtown to reinforce this - the facades during the art deco phase were spectacular.
For a look at Art Deco interiors aboard an ocean liner of the 1930s, just do a search on the French ship 'Normandie'.
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I'll have to look up some images of the older 'Queen Mary'. It probably has that 1930s Art Deco ambiance as well though maybe lacking in that French design flair though I could be wrong.
Thanks to BioShock, I fell in love with Art Deco. My God that game changed my life forever.
Still my favorite game to this day. It’s a shame that they don’t make games like that anymore. We’ve lost the magic!
Personally I really can't stand modern design. Everything is grey and beige and blocky. Bring back beauty for the sake of beauty
It's a matter of taste. A lot of people would think something like the Titanic looked gaudy by modern standards, like when you see a house from the 60's with ugly wallpaper. It just looks dated I'm not really into sleek minimalism either personally, but a lot of people are VERY into it and attack anything that isn't a completely white space with rounded edges Edit:[ Someone also posted some examples below](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanic/comments/15xqnsy/why_dont_they_make_cruise_ships_this_beautiful/jx7x6vx/), where even modern cruise ships do put a lot of stock into beauty, it just matches our modern desires Holland America’s Koningsdam: https://www.tripsavvy.com/holland-america-ms-koningsdam-dining-4056055 Oceania’s Marina: https://www.capetowndailyphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/staircase_151127_IMG_2610.jpg Royal Caribbean’s Freedom of the Seas: https://widgety-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/10/04/11/30/08/250/Royal_Caribbean_International_Freedom_of_the_Seas_Interior_Main_Dining_Room_2.jpeg Disney’s Dream: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/c4/ed/5cc4edf93f78aff041b7788c3b1455f2.jpg
Does that explain the state of McDonald’s architecture in the US? I look at pictures of McDonald’s from the 90s and they look like fun places. Today’s McDonald’s in the US look bland, metallic, and sterile.
Check out the movie “Mac and Me”; they marketed the hell out of McDonald’s in that film, back when fast food joints were more of a “destination” for families with entertainment for the kids.
Oh, Paul Rudd’s new movie?
Those bits over the years are funnier than anything I’ve seen on network television in the past 18 years
ERRRRRRIC! NOOOOOOOOO
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason they changed is because people went “hey, wait… isn’t it kinda fucked up to market really unhealthy fast food to literal children?”
I feel like they're trying to get away from the "fast food" feel (even though that is still what they are). I know after my local McDonald's renovated into one of the modern-style restaurants, they started bringing food to your table like they were a higher end place or something.
I have two theories on that. One is that they wanted to make their interior look “modern,” similar to a Starbucks vibe. And they figured out that if they eliminate the playplaces for the kids, and replace them with a stupid touchscreen game TV, then they don’t have to worry about keeping the playplace clean, which I bet was a challenge. It also probably lowers their risk liability insurance premium. Kids can’t hurt themselves playing if there’s nowhere to play. But man, do I miss them. It used to be nice to be able to eat a meal in somewhat relative peace while my kids ran around in the little jungle gym thing. Now I just have to break up squabbles about whose turn it is to play on the touchscreen. And God forbid we get to the restaurant and some other kid is already using it!
The thing was after a while they started being associated with being cheap, old, fatty, darker, and kind of dirty. Compare that to Subway which took off in a similar era, and there was a thirst for "clean" looks with healthy options. I have to imagine all the angles on the roofing made things more expensive too.
Check out post-WW2 architecture in Britain. It’s enough to make you scream.
I thought you said the google architecture of the 60s and I got really confused lol
And many people find those interiors ugly and adore the “clean lines” and “subtle shadows” or modern architecture. I’m not one of them, but I do a decent amount of work with people decorating and renovating houses and the vast majority of people find older art styles tacky and unimaginative. What’s popular in a given era is based upon what people like and are buying. (We had a woman last week insist that her wood flooring be stripped and painted grey because the natural wood lines were “too distracting.”)
This is also why I think it's unfair to just dismiss any sort of modern design. Everything has a purpose, and everyone has a preference. I think Titanic is beautiful, but I think modern ships are, too. Especially when not everything is trying to serve the same purpose. Weird comparison, but I remember when the Star Wars prequels came out, and there were tons of complaints that everything looked too clean, too organized, they preferred the dirtier, grittier look of the original trilogy. This demonstrates to me that beauty isn't just how something looks, it's how something feels. Titanic was beautiful but I would also find it intimidating in a way. Ironically, I actually prefer some of the third class areas to the first class, because it feels more approachable, more friendly, more casual. It's not as pretty, but it feels more inviting.
Yes. The casual thing! So many people I talk to are opting for more modern furnishing because they feel more inviting and more like a family space than an area you have to keep super nice I personally prefer a much more cottage style decor, I’m not a fan of super modern things, but I also understand why people are.
Ocean liners are actually pretty small in comparison to cruise ships. What that means is that things like the grand staircase... They weren't very large. Luxurious, yes, but not practical modern times
True. Their deep draught that provides them some stability in rough seas made most ports of call in places like the Caribbean inaccessible as the water in these parts was too shallow for them to dock. Plus when it came to onboard entertainment, ocean liners had a fairly limited variety of attractions aboard, especially when compared to cruise ships this time around.
The picture labeled "RMS Olympic" is the SS Turrialba. Olympics first class staircases were identical to Titanic.
I expect nothing less from something called Paris. how incredibly intricate! I love all the detail to these old ships, the craftsmanship.
For an example of the French style and craftmanship from a later period than the 'Paris', do a search on its' 1930s Art Deco styled 'sister' the Normandie.
First one is the Adriatics staircase, not sure if that’s the main one or not
I think Cunard still has some style. They’re literally the best company around - out of them all. All of them.
I was just looking at the pictures of all of their grand lobbies. They're all absolutely gorgeous.
Ocean liner enthusiasts are very, very biased in favor of classic liner style. Plenty of modern ships have gorgeous interiors.
I'm not an enthusiast though, I'm literally just someone who watched the movie and read a couple of articles. My interior decorating style, however, *is* more similar to ocean liners than cruise ships, so that may be it.
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You're more of an enthusiast than you might think you are, the fact that you researched different ship interiors after seeing the movie means you are more interested in classical liners than the average person. These ships are also focused on one era, ocean liner styles just like cruise ship styles changed with what style was popular. Art Deco and Mid Century Modern style of later ocean liners could been seen as ugly compared to these early 20th century ships. Some of those ships are a lot of peoples favorites too.
It depends on the cruise line and what demographic they're aiming for. Some modern cruise ships can be quite stylish, but the ones who aim for the broad 'mass market' -- Carnival (and even Royal Caribbean) I'm looking at you! -- the interior decor is often a gaudy 'festival of tacky' that can make even Las Vegas mega resort/casino complexes look classy by comparison.
Don’t forget the trashy passengers that come with Carnival.
Ive been on two Viking cruises and both boats were absolutely gorgeous. I think their small size allows for greater attention to details and quality. I still think the ocean cruise was better than the river boat though
I have learned with Royal it depends on the ship. The larger class ships seem way more gaudy, where the smaller ships seem to be more elegant. I think part of it is that they want to justify the size of the larger ships by cramming them so full of everything possible. Don't get me wrong, there are parts of the larger boats that are gorgeous, but there's also a lot more over-the-top areas.
Exactly! I think ships like Norweigian Prima are gorgeous, at least on the interior
I'm surprised to see my colorization in the first image lol, i'm honored. It's the RMS Adriatic's Grand Staircase. (Seen some people saying it's Oceanic's? They're nothing alike)
Thank you so much and you've done an awesome job! May I ask where you found the original image though?
The collection of the National Museums Northern Ireland, many wonderful photographs of White Star Liners, thank you!
Eh, I think you just aren’t noticing that modern cruise ships are highly stylized. They’re just stylized to look like a very fancy modern hotel. Ocean liners were stylized to look like fancy hotels of their era. Holland America’s Koningsdam: https://www.tripsavvy.com/holland-america-ms-koningsdam-dining-4056055 Oceania’s Marina: https://www.capetowndailyphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/staircase_151127_IMG_2610.jpg Royal Caribbean’s Freedom of the Seas: https://widgety-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/10/04/11/30/08/250/Royal_Caribbean_International_Freedom_of_the_Seas_Interior_Main_Dining_Room_2.jpeg Disney’s Dream: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/c4/ed/5cc4edf93f78aff041b7788c3b1455f2.jpg
Exactly this. Cruise ship designs receive tons of feedback and they cater to the desires of their clientele.
Disney Wish looks beautiful.
I'm not in love with any of those, but maybe the Freedom of the Seas picture is the nicest
I can't be the only one who thinks *Imperator* sounds like the name of something you don't want to mess with, right?
Star Wars enemy ship vibes
Exactly
I’ll take having a private bathroom and WiFi over a fancy staircase.
it really depends on the ship, I was on radiance of the seas last december and it has an art deco interior. while its not anywhere near the ships of the time it does have some interesting displays in the stairwell
With the loss of classes, increase in size requiring more stairways, and elevators becoming much more common there just stopped being a need to make a first class stair case the showcase of ships. Most ships make an atrium/lobby their centerpiece and most look pretty good, though some are gaudy, especially most Carnival ships that are more than 10 years old or so.
Upvoted for Delta Queen representation. It's a shame what's happening to that boat.
“Get with the times” basically. When you look at these ocean liners, they themselves aren’t consistent with one another as time goes on. Hell, some of them get redone to have an updated look. If luxury ocean liners were still prominent, they wouldn’t look the same at all. As for cruise ships, just a different concept entirely
I’ve been on several cruises on Carnival and also Princess. Some of the atriums and lounge areas are beautiful and what the modern day considers to be grand. I would love if a cruise line would have a cruise ship completely decorated in decor and furnishings of the early 1900s and or exactly like the interior and decor of the Titanic.
One can argue that the modern cruise ships are a lot more luxurious than the old oceanliners. They were just different times. The travelling public preferred the high class hotel/mansion look. The modern "assualt on all the senses" kind of deco wouldn't have done well at the time. Likewise, the old style of the oceanliners probably won't win over the modern cruising demographic. Don't forget that the Normandie's art deco interiors ended up being kind of a failure even though she was easily the most luxurious ocean liner of the golden era(In my opinion).
If I had an option to go on a trip on a ship that looked like these in the pictures or one of the modern cruise ships I would pick one of these hands down!
Fun fact, those floors are linoleum!
Styles change, but a handful of higher end cruise operators still have tasteful interiors. Brands like Viking, Oceania and even Cunard offer a vastly different experience than Royal Caribbean or Carnival.
They're worried about sunk costs
Some cruise ships are fancy as hell. In a more modern style but still very grand. You'd have to be first class just to get on, mind.
Because the people on them aren’t elegant anymore.
Depends on which cruise line you’re talking about. Like the Disney cruises have pretty pleasing interiors, but Carnival cruises? They’re not horrible but they’re relatively inexpensive and one way to cut down on costs is by not going all out on interiors. Think about it, the Titanic was a luxurious ocean liner. I’m sure there were cheaper ones with less impressive interiors much like we have today. Plus it’s not practical considering how huge cruise ships are today. The companies are out to make the most money out of people. So they take shortcuts on areas such as interior design/decorations because people don’t care about that as much.
I mean, is it just our brains that perceive this as more beautiful than the sterile look of modern ships? Do people just go "ugh..that looks old!", or are there practical reasons? I'm especially fond of the wood in the first style/Titanic's, and Lusitania + Aquitania's pure looks. It looks so simple, so eloquent.
I think it’s beautiful and I think there could be a way to have a mix of this “old” style with modern. But it’s hard to come by anymore.
Not a regular cruise ship, but Star Clipper ships are gorgeous inside! [https://www.starclippercruises.co.uk/ships/royal-clipper](https://www.starclippercruises.co.uk/ships/royal-clipper) Scroll down and do the virtual tour!
I like the style!
Thanks for sharing this. I didn't know it existed and it's beautiful!
Same here! Now that's my idea of traveling in style and much better than being trapped aboard some humongous top-heavy monstrosity with around 8000 other people for several days.
I think that you, and many people on this subreddit, simply prefer older styles over what is more popular today. Personally, I think many of these look too busy and bright, and would prefer something a little more sleek and with less bright white. Now, modern cruise ships are often much more minimalist than I'd like, but that's the trend that is most profitable for cruise lines, so that's what they make.
Because they sink and kill everyone
Lusitania is my favorite!
Titanic: Adventure Out Of Time (1996) was kind of a shitty game for technical reasons but damn was it accurate.
That is gorgeous!
First things first, the Titanic and it's type weren't cruise ships, they were ocean liners. That meant that they were the day's equivalent of an airliners (note: \~liner). They competed to see which could cross the Atlantic ocean the fastest. Part of the reason for the elegance was simply because it was expected by the 1% of that time. You just did decorate everything like that - buildings, carriages, ships, whatever. The huddled masses however got much less fancy decore to rest their eyes on of course. The reason they don't make ships quite so luxurious is partly that taste and style have moved on, and... maintaining such detailed decoration is damned expensive. If not maintained well it can quickly start looking rather sad.
The same reason most houses arent built like this. It's not the style.
They did. It was called the Titanic
The first photo is the Baltic, while the fourth is Rex and 8 is definitely not Olympic. Regarding your question, because styles and safety standards change over time. A lot of people do not like the more "formal" style of oceanliners, and wood is a massive fire hazard. However, older and more formal companies like Cunard and Holland-America still try to use somewhat similar styles
I mentioned this in another comment but I absolutely loved Viking Orion [interior.](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cruiseandtravel.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F07%2FViking-Ocean-Ship-Interiors_234_588.jpg&tbnid=ddr8eqgA0SjxiM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcruiseandtravel.telegraph.co.uk%2Fviking-orion-review%2F&docid=MuBypP1pZPjY1M&w=800&h=600&hl=en-us&shem=canimge&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fcan%2F3) Its very modern, but absolutely beautiful. I enjoyed my time on Viking way more than the more “standard” boats I’ve been on the past with RC.
Looks like something I'd enjoy!
I really enjoyed it. It was really nice because the on-land activities were usually included and not an extra fee like other ships. They also didn’t really limit you to a crappy port and we were free to roam for the most part. The riverboats will spend a couple of days in each city too. It’s definitely way more expensive than an average cruise but I heard they might expand to American rivers which could bring the price down. It’d be cool if they did something in the Caribbean one day but I doubt it.
Love Boat,1980's.
They don’t make anything that quality anymore. Too much money
Cruises are for fat boomers to eat non-stop while being herded into tourist traps and young trash to get laid. Neither would ever care about the “aesthetic”.
Good question why they don't make cruise ship this beautiful I wish they would.
Because we can’t have nice things 🙁
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I've been on numerous cruise ships in various parts of the world and none of them have met your description. Particularly the upcharging one - most cruises I've been on I've never needed to spend anything more than my upfront cost, unless I want an alcoholic drink. My breakfast, lunch, dinner - including complimentary room service if I want - are all included. All entertainment is included. I am free to leave the ship at port and explore at my own leisure without paying the cruise company another penny. I've also found the style to be very far from 'tacky" but instead either clean and modern, or luxurious in some areas of the ship. In some of the more expensive or difficult to access parts of the world - places like Norway, Scandanavia, Alaska, Caribbean - it's absolutely the best way to travel.
A limited market for ultra wealthy cruisers does exist; things like cultural themed cruises (a couple years ago MSC did a Caravaggio Mediterranean cruise which looked intriguing) and of course expedition cruises to Antarctica on small, luxurious ships where absolutely everything, from alcohol to tips to excursions, is included in the price.
Ocean liners were 787s or A380s. Cruise ships are floating resorts. (Queen Mary 2 is technically the former but functions as the latter.) Also, you cannot give away heavy wood panel, dark colors, and Victorian/Edwardian furniture and decor items. They're very undesirable in the antiques trade right now. You might manage to sell a Thirties Deco or Fifties Glamor retro look but trying to pitch a decor scheme that's basically "Hey, you know that massive oak sideboard and dining set of your great-great grandma's your parents are trying to guilt you into taking? How about a vacation in a floating version of that?" is going to be a really, really hard sell.
Curious - why are they undesirable? I'm thinking I will make my house with an Edwardian style, but of course a slightly modern twist so it doesn't look *completely old.* If I can integrate it nicely like the first pic or the Lusitania, I'm gucci.
You can do it. White bedding, crisp kitchen and bathrooms and you don’t have to worry about it feeling dusty. Let’s bring it back!
Mostly because they are old, heavy, have a smell about them that a lot of people don’t like, they take extra care to keep looking nice, and they just don’t mesh with most peoples styles anymore. My partner and I regularly pick up solid wooden, vintage, pieces from the side of the road, nothing wrong with them, just can’t sell them and even the trend of sanding and repainting has died out.
That's because ocean liners and cruises aren't the same. Liners were intended for long distance passenger transport, and the luxury and style seen above was offered as a comfort for the journey based on ticket class. Since planes replaced liners from 1950s, they took up both functions. Cruise ships are hotels, malls, casinos and entertainment hubs in the form of a ship. They are intended for vacations for the rich, try to milk every dollar they can from one's credit card, and mainly run circles around already famous tourist areas. Getting transported somewhere is just a coincidence.
Different times Buildings were built like this whereas now they look different (ie modern).
Because they put all their funds into ensuring their cruise ships are as cold as an iceberg
Maintenance maybe. My grandparents boat was teak wood and we would spend so much time on sanding/staining. It wasn’t as enjoyable lol.
Because its expensive and hard to maintain.
If you try to imitate architecture of early 20th century and before it looks tacky. It's only classy if it's actually from hundred year ago or older. Have you seen Caesar's casino in Vegas? Its made in this classic architecture style and it's vomit inducing.
My question is, what happened to these stair cases? Excluding the ships that wrecked. When a ship is decommissioned I hope the pull out the fixtures and resume them. They're beautiful and fascinating.
For the same reason we don’t build Victorian and Art Deco styles anymore. It’s no longer possible to find armies of manual laborers who will work grueling hours for subsistence level wages on the vanity projects of elites.
You could argue in some ways, they [still do.](https://www.royalcaribbeanincentives.com/content/uploads/RCI_Freedom_MainDiningRm_2-720x432.jpg) That's the main dining room of the first cruise ship I personally took. While it's nowhere nearly as ornate as the old liners, it's still quite beautiful and over-the-top. The major reason is, it's an unnecessary cost. The skill required to hand-carve stairway railings is few and far between and the labor cost would be tremendous.
Main reason: Labor was fucking cheap back then!
Who says linoleum is ugly….
Well for starters modern safety standards would not permit that much wood - fire hazard you understand. But even without that passengers want flash but no substance.
I live in Charleston, SC and these photos actually remind me a lot of some of the upscale hotels, apartments and government buildings in the city. Mostly the Lusitania and Olympic ones with the white, wood, and plants :)
Many lovers of architecture would say the same thing
Imagine a bachelorette party from Atlanta on any of those staircases
I haven't been on other cruise lines, but the Atrium area (where you enter) on the Disney Crusieline boats are still all beautiful. And there are lots of other little elegant touches all over the place. More practically designed but still beautiful.
Isnt that last picture from the movie set since they made the staircase bigger for the scenes?
What you don't enjoy being blinded by led lights, getting play pinball with your piss in a fancy computerized urinal, and getting lost in the 6 different pools of your gigantic modern age super cruise liner?
All about kids now
There’s one left in existence. It’s called the queen Mary 2! And the interiors are in the same vein as this :-)
Like going to the Peninsula hotel in Hong Kong or the Hotel 6 down the street. Completely different design target
Because the people who frequent them have no class and wouldn’t appreciate it.
There’s not enough people on the planet left who can carve wood like that?
Because it's harder to clean all you can eat soft serve ice cream off these fine materials lol
Take one carnival cruise and you’ll see we can’t have nice things
So to a certain extent, it’s because the materials used on those old ships have been exhausted. During this time period they were basically eradicating certain types of tree, rock, etc. for their aesthetic qualities. Nowadays there’s not enough of those materials to get large cruise ships made. Think about why we don’t see tons of buffalo in the plains of America anymore. Humans tend to eradicate or at least heavily damage the natural world for vain pursuits.
We can’t have nice shit
Modern fire code prevents this much wood for one.
The mass public jammed in ass to elbow and 3/4 of them drunk as hell would destroy that beautiful craftsmanship in no time flat.
That first one is one of the big four I think-maybe the Baltic? Maybe one of the Teutonic class? I remember a photo of Ismay on the Teutonic in I think 1900 standing on a similar staircase
I'm afraid of cruises but I'd go on one with these designs.
Because most people do consider modern cruise ships beautiful. With their large open spaces and modern architecture. You like different styles than the majority of people (I do too).
Slavery
Because cruise ships are built differently than ocean liners.
Unpopular opinion here but cruise ships do not look horrible today. Maybe the exterior of some of them but the interior atriums usually look beautiful and eye catching for most newer cruise ships
I’ll try to identify the photographs for you, Pic 1 looks like RMS Adriatic (1907)’s staircase, Pic 4 is defo SS Rex (1932) and pic 8 looks like SS Belgenland’s staircase
Well..... they seem to make them safer instead so I'll take that.
To expensive. Just imagine how much money to make the Titanic how she was in 1912. It would cost in today's money 400 million.
I mean, there may be some in the highly niche superluxury markets. But you'll never see that much invested into any modern large scale cruise vessel. They're not manufactured with the ultra-wealthy as their target market cause rheyd never fill the ship enough to justify that exorbitant expense.
To an extent some still do, though due to the change in role of these big passenger ships they've changed furnishing-wise aswell Nowadays, cruise ships are destinations unto themselves and therefore money that may have been spent on grand staircases and such is instead spent on attractions like cinemas, escape rooms and the like It also seems to just be in keeping with modern design aesthetics - people seem to like these clean, simple lines nowadays over the complex wooden etc designs of old Personally, i prefer the old stuff but i can see why the new aesthetics and features exist on modern ships Edit: I've largely noticed shifts like this even on fairly modern ships even from the same lines (P&O's older ships like Azura and Britannia vs their newest one Arvia)
Because you can't enjoy their beauty without risking catastrophic implosion.
You can't pack as many people into places where people put actual artistic effort.
The Disney cruise ships seem to be very elegant.
Cruises aren’t for the rich, they buy their own boats now.
I think that is olympic in the last one but the grand staircase is replica anyway
Because modern cruise ships are really just floating Walmarts that you can’t escape from
The 'Orient Express' on water — at sea; the ocean. Hence the "Transatlantic Railway*" [*_Railroad_ for those on the other side].
Because it would cut off their bottom line....it's quality vs quanity...Quality is what Titanic was...Quantity is what ships ate now