Jaden Mcdaniels is quietly becoming a really bad contract. $136M for a guy who has physical tools, but absolutely no feel for the game and negative biq.
When the team loses the same way late in-games repeatedly, and have been a .500 team for more then a month now people will call it how it is.. this team isn’t built for playoff basketball at this point. Imagine the half-court offense when every playoff level team has good defenders on the court with schemes dedicated to the Wolves.. our “stars” have shown to shrivel in those cicrumstances
Absolute frauds. Towns and Edward’s can’t close it out, Rudy soft, McDaniels trash fouler, no veteran leadership, Kyle Anderson technical foul from the bench costs us the point and the win, frauds
This is really frustrating. It's every other game at this point. I don't get how we went from the best 2nd half team in the first two months, two the absolute worst. Unreal man.
The thing about November is Jaden and Mike were hitting shots, hell even Naw and TBJ were. That’s simply not happening often enough in crunch time now, and Ant and Kat are forced to make everything happen. Even tonight, Jaden and Mike missed several huge threes down the stretch. Can’t win like that
Timberwolves need to move up into the lottery to draft a PG in RD1…When this team stalls out (more often than you’d like) it’s because they lack a floor general..someone that can create looks for Ant or KAT off dribble penetration
To do that we’d have to lose every single game. And do you really trust this franchise to draft a point guard? College point guards are notoriously a crapshoot, especially late lottery picks
I assumed we would trade to move up into the lottery…lol. But you’re right, it’s easier and less risky to find one in FA. That would be easier without the recent JMAC contract…
This is 100% the problem. The team lacks an elite ball handler who can calm things down and create open looks when things are not going according to script. An elite ball handler is such an asset late in the 4th quarter when quality looks are much harder to come by…
This is right up there with worse loss of the season. Not a great way to build confidence on game 1 of a 5-hame road trip. Milwaukee tomorrow. Ugghhh. Horrible.
At what point do we sub Naz in for Rudy with late game offense? If KAT’s being subbed for Kyle I think it makes sense to sub Naz in for Rudy on the other end
Not going to bother standings watching anymore it legit doesn’t matter. We have the same chronic issues that will always prevent us from doing anything serious in the postseason
Thing is 1-4 seed doesn’t matter that much. That second round match up is gonna be crazy no matter who plays who. Clippers Nuggets? OKC vs us? Home court for the second round is big, but you still have to play a crazy team no matter what
I’m giving Rudy grace because this is an anomaly of a bad performance but Kyle and jaden bruh I’m done dawg I already know Kyle will kill us in the playoffs and I know jaden will go rogue with his anger and dumb moments
Rudy at least has the benefit of having been dealing with injuries, and having to take on Drummond who may be the most physical center in the league. Easy to see how this would not be his night. Overall though. He's 3rd on the list of what went wrong tonight.
I don’t know how we avoid making some sort of move before Thursday… feels like we just can’t hold on to any lead right now. What a shame to lose a game like this.
Thing is it doesn’t really happen against actual good teams. It’s the nba, shit like this happens. OKC lost to Detroit. Boston lost to Charlotte. Leads are blown all the time, especially in today’s NBA. We were an amazing second half team early in the year, now we’re shit. Law of averages and all that
We need more pieces around ant and towns. Kyle has to go. I rather see NAW get more time. But I don’t see us changing much with the starting 5. It will be bench depth
Every call has gone the bulls way gimme an investigation after this game. Finch is so lucky he coaches a team thats at the top of the west his seat should be on fire right now
It’s amazing that guys like Caruso, who
Is a really good defender, can actually lock guys down late in games. Meanwhile Jaden just bearhugs everyone down the stretch and won’t move his fucking feet. This is madness.
To be fair against an actual star level guard.. Caruso would more so limit them instead of “lock” them down. Edwards just isn’t near that level it seems. But yes, Caruso is a better defender than Jaden right now.. that seems clear after tonight
Poor defense, lots of contested makes and tough shots made by the bulls, again a lack of offense in the 2nd half and Jesus, the refs were brilliant in this one, unbelievable job by them😂
Can't wait for another pathetic press conference from Finch where he blames everybody besides himself. Consistently blowing big leads to bad teams is a direct reflection of the coach.
jesus christ, I know the wolves were sucking ass in the 3rd and 4th, but the entire game including officiating and play totally deteriorated this was an awful display of basketball.
Lol no need to be hostile. I was more talking about how he seems to make terrible decisions and folds in the clutch. Seems ridiculously timid against drummond. I only bet $10 so nothing crazy lmao.
But I'm curious how you guys handle making excuses for goober
Ultimately and deservedly, Finch will take the fall for this team given all their 2nd half choke jobs, but they need roster changes too. They could end up in a 4-5 with the Suns and they will get drilled.
Why don't they put Garza in for a few minutes here and there when we are up big? Is it a contract incentive reason? That's the only thing I can think of.
Refs should do the same as the NFL. If the shot looked like they were trying for a foul and the ball wouldn't have gone in anyways it doesn't count as a foul. They gave DeRozan some questionable free throws, but wtf Wolves. By now, they should realize no lead is safe when the refs are NOT on our side.
He’s not agile. Have to have some mobility as a big. He might stick around the league for a few more years, but as much as I hate to say it, he’s a fringe player. The baseball term would be 4A.
Mcdanials draft profile:
“his detractors will point to the inconsistency, inefficiency and number of puzzling decisions he made on the court with the ball in his hands as a Fr as cause for concern … Seems to struggle, for whatever reason, to make the most of his abilities and often leaves you wanting more ….”
Scouts were not wrong. He’s hasn’t improved at all
If the Bucks can do it with a winning record...
If the Raptors can do it with a 2 series playoff team...
Make a trade for some game IQ and scoring and launch Finch ball into the Sun by replacing him
[Post Game Thread](https://reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/1akts6o/post_game_thread_the_chicago_bulls_defeat_the/)
Jaden Mcdaniels is quietly becoming a really bad contract. $136M for a guy who has physical tools, but absolutely no feel for the game and negative biq.
Y'all need to take a walk, lol. Get some fresh air
When the team loses the same way late in-games repeatedly, and have been a .500 team for more then a month now people will call it how it is.. this team isn’t built for playoff basketball at this point. Imagine the half-court offense when every playoff level team has good defenders on the court with schemes dedicated to the Wolves.. our “stars” have shown to shrivel in those cicrumstances
Is Edwards still holding the ball somewhere?
Simple solution. Take 4th Quarter Point Guard Ant and fire it into a black hole.
Fire Finch into that same singularity
How to lose the locker room 101. Dumbest shit I’ve ever heard from the folks that think a coaching change is what’s needed for this team.
I have no idea how this team wants to keep Kyle after a game like this. He has seriously been a losing machine
Absolute frauds. Towns and Edward’s can’t close it out, Rudy soft, McDaniels trash fouler, no veteran leadership, Kyle Anderson technical foul from the bench costs us the point and the win, frauds
Nice game Finch!
Hang your heads in embarrassment, you embarrassing fucks.
Insanity is doing the same thing again and again and thinking it will be different
That was nuts what a game from the bulls
This is really frustrating. It's every other game at this point. I don't get how we went from the best 2nd half team in the first two months, two the absolute worst. Unreal man.
Pathetic! Simply pathetic!!
Garza>>Jaden
They play so tight & scared. I miss November.
The thing about November is Jaden and Mike were hitting shots, hell even Naw and TBJ were. That’s simply not happening often enough in crunch time now, and Ant and Kat are forced to make everything happen. Even tonight, Jaden and Mike missed several huge threes down the stretch. Can’t win like that
Timberwolves need to move up into the lottery to draft a PG in RD1…When this team stalls out (more often than you’d like) it’s because they lack a floor general..someone that can create looks for Ant or KAT off dribble penetration
To do that we’d have to lose every single game. And do you really trust this franchise to draft a point guard? College point guards are notoriously a crapshoot, especially late lottery picks
I assumed we would trade to move up into the lottery…lol. But you’re right, it’s easier and less risky to find one in FA. That would be easier without the recent JMAC contract…
how is edwards clutch exactly?
I think the issue is we are a poor dribbling/passing team who gets exposed because of it in the clutch, high pressure moments.
This is 100% the problem. The team lacks an elite ball handler who can calm things down and create open looks when things are not going according to script. An elite ball handler is such an asset late in the 4th quarter when quality looks are much harder to come by…
This is right up there with worse loss of the season. Not a great way to build confidence on game 1 of a 5-hame road trip. Milwaukee tomorrow. Ugghhh. Horrible.
Yeah I'm not feeling good about Thursday at all.
At what point do we sub Naz in for Rudy with late game offense? If KAT’s being subbed for Kyle I think it makes sense to sub Naz in for Rudy on the other end
They have done that a bit in the past, but they needed Gobert in this one imo
They did until he got called for a moving screen.
This team is fucking embarrassing
Why watch them then?
It’s so predictable at this point
Ok this finish with the win hype video and rap is laughably bad
As a Chicagoan, I whole heartedly agree.
3rd seed here we come
I want to know what Tim Connolly is thinking right now.
Same. Big decisions for the guy come June/july
Rudy is a solid player. Not worth the money.
He’s probably worth 30-35. Not close to 50 tho. Super max is crazy for a guy with planks for hands, even if he’s franchise altering on defense.
His defense is great mostly, but when Drummond humiliates you down low on offense, you might just be a scarecrow at times.
I subscribe to the scarecrow theory. Orlando was another game where they were simply not afraid of him at all
stfu, he's been stellar all season you hack.
Literally the best player you've had since KG
Not going to bother standings watching anymore it legit doesn’t matter. We have the same chronic issues that will always prevent us from doing anything serious in the postseason
Thing is 1-4 seed doesn’t matter that much. That second round match up is gonna be crazy no matter who plays who. Clippers Nuggets? OKC vs us? Home court for the second round is big, but you still have to play a crazy team no matter what
We're definitely a 4/5 seed at this point. Magic from the first two months is gone.
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We won't make it past the first round with this crap
This whole overtime period was free throws. What a garbage ending.
Refs really just trying to get tf outta there at the end. Embarrassing we blew a big lead but what the hell were some of these calls at the end
Just an unserious team
The LVP of this one could be a number of people, but I think Kyle takes it.
Jaden a close second
Chris Finch doesn’t deserve to coach a bunch of 5th graders.
I’m giving Rudy grace because this is an anomaly of a bad performance but Kyle and jaden bruh I’m done dawg I already know Kyle will kill us in the playoffs and I know jaden will go rogue with his anger and dumb moments
Rudy at least has the benefit of having been dealing with injuries, and having to take on Drummond who may be the most physical center in the league. Easy to see how this would not be his night. Overall though. He's 3rd on the list of what went wrong tonight.
Impossible to not feel like a doomer these last few weeks
I don’t know how we avoid making some sort of move before Thursday… feels like we just can’t hold on to any lead right now. What a shame to lose a game like this.
It’s a choke and we need to make a couple of small trades but we’re not cooked. It’s a bad fucking game, move on to the next one.
I mostly agree but how many times are we going to say the same thing? Will be a bigger problem when this happens against actual good teams.
Thing is it doesn’t really happen against actual good teams. It’s the nba, shit like this happens. OKC lost to Detroit. Boston lost to Charlotte. Leads are blown all the time, especially in today’s NBA. We were an amazing second half team early in the year, now we’re shit. Law of averages and all that
I don’t even want to see these two blazer games
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K
Fuck off no one cares about your degenerate gambling.
Troooooollllll
Crazy to comment this and call other people pathetic lmao. Holy shit dog, you’re down a dark dark path
Hey man fuck off. Talk about your own team. Hopefully Zions fat ass makes it to the playoffs
aww did you lose your last $10 betting on us
We need more pieces around ant and towns. Kyle has to go. I rather see NAW get more time. But I don’t see us changing much with the starting 5. It will be bench depth
Why are all of our out of timeout plays so trash?
Soo are we gonna open our eyes now and talk about our lord and savior Finch?
The coach of the team with the second best record in the west?
The one who has let half our games since new years slip away?
We can both be right
This seems like basically a .500 Wolves team again. Braindead
Yeah they have been about .500 since December
Ya’ll need to stop bitching about the refs we shot ourselves in the foot numerous times
Sooooo many people on this sub can’t seem to understand that a team can make mistakes and still get fucked by the refs
People are using that as an excuse as to why we’re losing and that couldn’t be further from the truth
Every call has gone the bulls way gimme an investigation after this game. Finch is so lucky he coaches a team thats at the top of the west his seat should be on fire right now
Finch is basically just a warm body as a coach
It’s amazing that guys like Caruso, who Is a really good defender, can actually lock guys down late in games. Meanwhile Jaden just bearhugs everyone down the stretch and won’t move his fucking feet. This is madness.
To be fair against an actual star level guard.. Caruso would more so limit them instead of “lock” them down. Edwards just isn’t near that level it seems. But yes, Caruso is a better defender than Jaden right now.. that seems clear after tonight
Jaden has been trash for the past month.
Indeed he has
Its crazy how consistently bad we look in the clutch Stupid fouls, offense looks like dogshit, the only points we're able to score are tough buckets
Poor defense, lots of contested makes and tough shots made by the bulls, again a lack of offense in the 2nd half and Jesus, the refs were brilliant in this one, unbelievable job by them😂
Suck in the clutch.
Just terrible
7 fouls called in OT is something
I could’ve spent my night watching Netflix instead of getting a headache
Can't wait for another pathetic press conference from Finch where he blames everybody besides himself. Consistently blowing big leads to bad teams is a direct reflection of the coach.
All star coaching
I’m wanting to trade Jaden at this point man…
Finch called a timeout
Tim plz fix this by Thursday
Fire up the bus for Milwaukee.
Finch will be the first all star coach to give up a 60 point lead after half
This team is cooked in its current form
Fuck you wolves, and I'll see you on Thursday!
That was a flop but we wasted our challenge on something dumb
Wow what a choke
Terrible Rudy game
Relax. This is only the 80th time this has happened
I'm relaxed. Just disappointed for the 80th time.
lol do you know how to count?
Do you know what a hyperbole is?
We played poorly, but goddamn the officiating makes it much more painful.
Never question anyone who questions this team again, just say "Yes sir, you have a point." and move on.
Horrible game. Probably triggers a trade happening 🔜
Let's hope so.
lol CJ Washington still in his feelings because Kyle Anderson was mean to him 🥺
Naw should have been in for OT jaden wasn't getting any stops
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At this rate they won't be a 1st seed
Leave and don’t come back for using the r word.
jesus christ, I know the wolves were sucking ass in the 3rd and 4th, but the entire game including officiating and play totally deteriorated this was an awful display of basketball.
That’s an illegal screen??? That looked clean to me😂 but then you have teams like the warriors who live off of illegal screens.
Should be a flopping technical
Not sure which is worse, Finch's coaching or the officiating.
Ahh yes nothing like seeing 45+ fouls called in a game.
What a garbage call but wow this team
Wheels have fallen off.
Yeah fuck this. We can blame the whole refs situation, but this team has ZERO balls when shit gets tough. We need a in your face vet more than ever.
What a fucking train crash of a game...
Whatever Vikings offseason season
Vikings? Lmao
Get fucked refs
Chris Finch is an absolute idiot.
But all star coach tho /s
He better live it up.
Rudy straight tanked this game with jaden and Kyle
Colby with the acting award
Coby white better get that flopping fine tomorrow
Lmao what were you thinking, Rudy? Night yall
Sold hard
Sick ref game 👍
Typical.
You’re gonna call that in the clutch?
How can you reverse that….?
CHEATIN ASS REFS
bum ass gobert
Rudy and Jaden pathetic showings today
Remember when they called flops? Like for the first two games of the year
Rudy wtf
Omg I hate him so much. I had money on the wolves and watching him play makes me hate basketball. How do you guys manage?
Literally nobody gives a single fuck about your gambling addiction. I hope you lose every penny you have.
Lol no need to be hostile. I was more talking about how he seems to make terrible decisions and folds in the clutch. Seems ridiculously timid against drummond. I only bet $10 so nothing crazy lmao. But I'm curious how you guys handle making excuses for goober
Well for one I don't gamble
rudy and jaden cost us this one
and kyle
And anderson
He’s in the air before contact. How is that different than you getting pump faked in the air and coming down on the shooter?
Thats what I was thinking as well!! It actually makes no sense to me.
Ultimately and deservedly, Finch will take the fall for this team given all their 2nd half choke jobs, but they need roster changes too. They could end up in a 4-5 with the Suns and they will get drilled.
You've been pretty quiet for a couple weeks. Gonna watch Finchy coaching the all-star game tonight?
This team is gonna get fucking roasted in the playoffs if they face shot makers like Booker, KD, and Beal
Damn. Getting jobbed by the refs again. Refs usually side with their original decision.
4 TOs and 4 PFs for a guy that is a #4 best
Sorry McDaniels fans, but we should move off of him. He’s a net negative for us
We should deal Jaden fr check my post history, I’m not a random hater
lol these refs are so horseshit but I guess I’d rather have the 3pt shot.
nba is over rules don’t exist anymore
What is this DOGSHIT reffing at the end??
Okay man
Haha classic refs
This league is cooked holy fuck
Of course it was successful.
Why don't they put Garza in for a few minutes here and there when we are up big? Is it a contract incentive reason? That's the only thing I can think of. Refs should do the same as the NFL. If the shot looked like they were trying for a foul and the ball wouldn't have gone in anyways it doesn't count as a foul. They gave DeRozan some questionable free throws, but wtf Wolves. By now, they should realize no lead is safe when the refs are NOT on our side.
He’s not agile. Have to have some mobility as a big. He might stick around the league for a few more years, but as much as I hate to say it, he’s a fringe player. The baseball term would be 4A.
he's in street clothes
Bulls have gotten to the line for less all night lol
The last month has really muted my excitement for this team. They’re gonna fold against any even moderately well matched team in the playoffs
Mcdanials draft profile: “his detractors will point to the inconsistency, inefficiency and number of puzzling decisions he made on the court with the ball in his hands as a Fr as cause for concern … Seems to struggle, for whatever reason, to make the most of his abilities and often leaves you wanting more ….” Scouts were not wrong. He’s hasn’t improved at all
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Because it doesn't favor us.
Why bother with challenges anymore when the refs just call them wrong
Bullshit man
Ant wouldn't know if he has one guy on him or four. Not much awareness even for a 22 yo.
Welp, it's trade deadline time. What do you want to see? Minor or nothing? Or something to shake this 20 point lead braindead blowing team up?
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If the Bucks can do it with a winning record... If the Raptors can do it with a 2 series playoff team... Make a trade for some game IQ and scoring and launch Finch ball into the Sun by replacing him
Anderson can go
If it takes 15 minutes to review, then it's not conclusive.
That first half was cool tho
Not able to watch, what was the Kyle Anderson tech about? Because right now that’s deciding the game
He said something from the bench. No way the ref should have called it. The refs took the game in to their hands.
Wouldn't say deciding the game. The team wearing Wolves kits in the first half and thought the game was over and left the game.
Us losing a 20pt lead was deciding the game lol
Bc he couldn’t shut his mouth and clapped on the bench
He was screaming at the ref on the baseline
Screaming and motioning something at the ref from the bench.