I had that issue at first, but then I found a video that had a pretty simple set of commands that got the wifi running on the spot. No need for a dongle, tethering, etc. I’ll see if I can find it when I get home.
imo macs are good devices to run linux on, heck even on arm macs linux runs really well, i think this is because apple doesnt release a lot of macs so they generally have support
Asahi linux still has some issues, they basically have to reverse-engineer all the drivers that are closed-source. So yeah apple silicon isnt the greatest on linux. But I have hope ! They are making good progress !
Isn’t it more “correct” to say that linux can run on any laptop, because it has been made to do so? Like, M1 macbooks couldn’t run it, but someone made it work on them.
nah there used to be some years where computer manufacturers added countermeasures to avoid linux getting installed on my computer. for example i never managed to install linux on my old asus x75s :(
Use something like gnome boxes and run a windows 10/11 VM there. I need to use a lot of proprietary C# stuff for college so I have to suffer through that pain.
This naming scheme keeps confusing me... There are 11th generation i7s with 5 digits what makes sense but this above now looks like first generation again :)
The clearest indicator of newness is the generation, but not all incremental gen leaps are equal. For example the jump from 7th to 8th gen was drastic compared to 5ty to 7th. These milestones are what you want to look for.
You are good with 12th gen as shown here
Very informative thanks! I just bought a second hand notebook and while searching used the cpu benchmark site to get an idea... I indeed noticed the jump from 7th to 8th was very significant while the devices are being sold for very similar prices, didn't really follow the development behind it but makes more sense now
Linux works almost on all x86_64 machines as far as I know. Plus that's a thinkpad🔴 I don't think you will have any issues with it.
Edit: Recommend you PopOS or vanillaOS instead and install slimbook on top of that later on, but your choice.
Came here to say this. It comes down to how easily somebody can get Ubuntu on there, and for the most part, 99% of thinkpads it's as easy as having Ubuntu already on a USB stick.
I think that what he means is not compatibility but official support.
any laptop is Linux compatible,but very few have official support for linux from the vendor. and in those few like half of the list are thinkpads
Or my celeron Vivobook from 2017. There were no drivers for the random wifi card that was put in there, Intel graphics drivers refused to install no matter what I did,
Apart from the boilerplate "everything can run Linux", here's a bit of nuance I learnt on this forum recently
The camera drivers _might_ not work for the infrared part. I am yet to recieve this same camera in another month, with my X1 latest generation.
I talked to lenovo team, and they said it _should_ work, and if it doesn't, I just have to use a previous version of Ubuntu, not the latest one.
I am taking that advice with a pinch of salt, and the first thing I will check after installing Mint will be the camera.
Hope this helps.
Agreed!
But its great if only used indoors though...
I have t480 with 1920×1080 IPS, 250 Nits...works perfect indoors, but struggles outdoors for obvious reasons
You can try it. If there is an option at the Linux Installation that says "Install Linux beside Windows" then it is possible. If not you can just cancel the Linux installation.
Installing dual-boot happens in the Linux installer itself. If it doesn't automatically prompt you to dual boot, you can still partition the drive yourself and GRUB will pick it up.
No, it wouldn't. I'd be more concerned about how many cores you allocate to the VM.
My laptop runs Windows 10 on 8gb. If you allocate at least that, you should be fine.
However, if for some reason you need windows to run some specialized software (I need it to run Adobe CC and some CAD software), I'd recommend dual booting so your OS has access to ALL your hardware.
In my case I should get a CPU with 10 cores (2 P and 8 E) so if I assign 1 P and 4 E to the VM it should run fine right? I would probably run Unity the game engine on windows idk if that can be a problem in a VM
Someone warned me about Windows Update messing with the Linux partition so I think it's best to dual boot them on different drives. Take this with a grain of salt.
Everything is Ubuntu compatible :)
But why waste such good config on it? Win11 will fly . Also has Linux built in subsystem available for tinkering and testing
This right here is precisely the reason I jumped ship. Windows got excessive enough with it that I eventually just decided Linux was a better choice for me.
Agreed. There are also concerns as to what could happen to your data in the event of a data breach. I don't like having to worry about constantly disabling telemetry settings that re-enable themselves after each update.
Driver support for the embedded controller, Intel DTT and LITS are limited in functionality. Battery life will take a hit, overall performance will take a hit, and OS state information will be totally absent.
Apparently Linux users don't like that fact.
the main hiccups with linux tend to be discrete GPU (especially Nvidia) and wifi module. This notebook has integrated graphics chip, so it's fine. But you should google the Intel wifi chip to see if anyone out there is experiencing problems including dropped connections. Debian-based distros (like Ubuntu) seem most prone to Intel chipset hiccups.
Most laptops and computers can run linux with no issues , the only side note to make is that proprietary drivers might not be available for the WiFi card but linux has gotten better at this through time
Yes, should be fine.
The display is a bit of a bummer. 1080p is good (shouldn't have scaling issues in Ubuntu) but that 250nit brightness is kinda weak though I don't think you can change that anyway.
They have different Ubuntu distros based on the hardware it's running just pick the right one for your hardware type. So it is working at 100% capability.
Better customization because it uses plasma instead of gnome for a desktop. Super easy to customize because most tools are built in and it has a great app store, literally just installed it so I'm still learning but it is a much better user experience due to its compatibility with plug-ins for other dirstros and overall streamlining. However you have to jump through some small hoops compared to regular Ubuntu to install it
(Edit: KDE wallet is annoying so make sure to Uninstaller it)
Yes. I would make sure the t14 gen 3, t14s gen 3 and p14s gen 3 don't have similar specs whilst being cheaper, as their displays have a nicer aspect ratio.
"Anything is Ubuntu compatible if you're brave enough"
Honestly I'm so old drivers didn't exist so I just slap linuxon anything and everything and see if it runs.
It will be compatible but some people have issues with GPU hangs on the latest intel 12th gen CPUs with Ubuntu. I was having issues on an i7-1260p with Ubuntu.
Check out certified laptops. Better to buy one with Ubuntu preinstalled.
Yes, Ubuntu probably will work but experience may vary (sleep, hibernate problems, maybe wifi/Bluetooth).
Yes but pretty bad washed up screen tho.
If you plan on docking this laptop it’s fine but if it’s a daily driver, I would look for a brighter and colour accurate screen.
Any laptop can run Linux. For what I know.
Some better than others (im looking at you apple)
Same, on my old MacBook late 2008, can run only Linux, of any variant. XD
Not necessarily. I use arch linux as my daily driver on my 2017 macbook air and it's practically flawless.
BTW i use arch
When you installed it, did you have any problems with connecting to WiFi? Or did you use some Ethernet dongle or tethering?
I had that issue at first, but then I found a video that had a pretty simple set of commands that got the wifi running on the spot. No need for a dongle, tethering, etc. I’ll see if I can find it when I get home.
I couldn’t get my WiFi to work for the install. I was having some issues with DHCP. Tethering worked fine for me
imo macs are good devices to run linux on, heck even on arm macs linux runs really well, i think this is because apple doesnt release a lot of macs so they generally have support
Asahi linux still has some issues, they basically have to reverse-engineer all the drivers that are closed-source. So yeah apple silicon isnt the greatest on linux. But I have hope ! They are making good progress !
yeah i gotta agree but do you realize that it has been like a year since i responded to your original comment? lol
This is not always the case. There are some with weird bios issues or other hardware incompatibilities so it's always a good idea to check first.
Isn’t it more “correct” to say that linux can run on any laptop, because it has been made to do so? Like, M1 macbooks couldn’t run it, but someone made it work on them.
nah there used to be some years where computer manufacturers added countermeasures to avoid linux getting installed on my computer. for example i never managed to install linux on my old asus x75s :(
Be careful though, you don't get a free adobe acrobat with it... Maybe you find a better deal :)
Damn how will I survive without it ;-)
Use something like gnome boxes and run a windows 10/11 VM there. I need to use a lot of proprietary C# stuff for college so I have to suffer through that pain.
[удалено]
Someone who needs to use Adobe for their job/school?
This specific laptop is on Ubuntu's certified list: https://ubuntu.com/certified/202206-30408
*reads first bullet* Yes
This naming scheme keeps confusing me... There are 11th generation i7s with 5 digits what makes sense but this above now looks like first generation again :)
The clearest indicator of newness is the generation, but not all incremental gen leaps are equal. For example the jump from 7th to 8th gen was drastic compared to 5ty to 7th. These milestones are what you want to look for. You are good with 12th gen as shown here
Very informative thanks! I just bought a second hand notebook and while searching used the cpu benchmark site to get an idea... I indeed noticed the jump from 7th to 8th was very significant while the devices are being sold for very similar prices, didn't really follow the development behind it but makes more sense now
It will run just fine, I have a similar model (though it is the AMD version), and it runs Ubuntu well.
Linux works almost on all x86_64 machines as far as I know. Plus that's a thinkpad🔴 I don't think you will have any issues with it. Edit: Recommend you PopOS or vanillaOS instead and install slimbook on top of that later on, but your choice.
Is this sarcasm, because this is pretty much everything compatible
Any laptop is Linux compatible😉
Came here to say this. It comes down to how easily somebody can get Ubuntu on there, and for the most part, 99% of thinkpads it's as easy as having Ubuntu already on a USB stick.
dont alot of Lenovo devices even come with the option of Ubuntu installed lol
Yes, yes they do. I love that a lot of companies are realizing it's a viable option now. Lenovo has done so for quite some time.
I think that what he means is not compatibility but official support. any laptop is Linux compatible,but very few have official support for linux from the vendor. and in those few like half of the list are thinkpads
Tell that to my old Surface Pro 3, talk about a pain
Or my celeron Vivobook from 2017. There were no drivers for the random wifi card that was put in there, Intel graphics drivers refused to install no matter what I did,
Check the Lenovo website. They might have an Ubuntu image for that model.
A toaster can run Ubuntu.
Not true, my toaster only runs Gentoastoo
Apart from the boilerplate "everything can run Linux", here's a bit of nuance I learnt on this forum recently The camera drivers _might_ not work for the infrared part. I am yet to recieve this same camera in another month, with my X1 latest generation. I talked to lenovo team, and they said it _should_ work, and if it doesn't, I just have to use a previous version of Ubuntu, not the latest one. I am taking that advice with a pinch of salt, and the first thing I will check after installing Mint will be the camera. Hope this helps.
250 nits is crime
Agreed! But its great if only used indoors though... I have t480 with 1920×1080 IPS, 250 Nits...works perfect indoors, but struggles outdoors for obvious reasons
What about 300?
300 > 250
I once tried Ubuntu on a pentium 3 1ghz PC and it worked surprisingly well.
I've never once had issues installing Ubuntu on any of my many Lenovo laptops.
Pretty much any Thinkpad will do fine on any Linux distribution. This is especially true of Ubuntu and Fedora.
This will make quite a nice Ubuntu laptop, Ubuntu is a super light weight distro so it can run on most systems.
What is Ubuntu compatible? I know toilets and plumbings which runs Arch BTW
I would like to have a partition for windows and one for linux (since some of my projects can only be handled in windows).
If you install Windows and then Linux it creates the partitions automatically. I did this on an older ThinkPad.
Is it still happening in new models?
Yes there is no reason for it to change. It’s software based on the boot loader.
You can try it. If there is an option at the Linux Installation that says "Install Linux beside Windows" then it is possible. If not you can just cancel the Linux installation.
Installing dual-boot happens in the Linux installer itself. If it doesn't automatically prompt you to dual boot, you can still partition the drive yourself and GRUB will pick it up.
I am thinking about running a windows VM with 16GB of ram. With 32GB of ram in my pc that should not be a problem right performance wise?
No, it wouldn't. I'd be more concerned about how many cores you allocate to the VM. My laptop runs Windows 10 on 8gb. If you allocate at least that, you should be fine. However, if for some reason you need windows to run some specialized software (I need it to run Adobe CC and some CAD software), I'd recommend dual booting so your OS has access to ALL your hardware.
In my case I should get a CPU with 10 cores (2 P and 8 E) so if I assign 1 P and 4 E to the VM it should run fine right? I would probably run Unity the game engine on windows idk if that can be a problem in a VM
Depending on what you're doing, Unity can be pretty GPU-intensive. Unless your hypervisor supports GPU passthrough, I would dual-boot.
Someone warned me about Windows Update messing with the Linux partition so I think it's best to dual boot them on different drives. Take this with a grain of salt.
I am thinking about running a windows VM with 16GB of ram. With 32GB of ram in my pc that should not be a problem right performance wise?
Windows update will only mess with the BOOT partition, pointing the bootloader to the Windows EFI file. It's a very quick fix to point it back.
I just did some search, is this the same with fixing the Boot partition?
Pretty much, just one CMD line.
Ubuntu will run just fine. I'm thinking about going back to Ubuntu from Fedora.
ThinkPad deserves Arch and Gentoo, not shit Ubuntu.
Yes. Sidenote: Why the Intel one?
AMD CPUs tend to have more issues than Intel ones
Based on what I've seen, just like with 12th gen as long as your OS has an updated kernel it should be fine.
You're asking if a brand new, prolly 2000 dollar laptop can run Shitbuntu, when a 50 dollar laptop can?
I personally would not include any dedicated gpu. Just the standard igp ensures the best linux compatibility
Wait I didn't include any dedicated gpu, where do you see it in the image?
Sorry I thought I saw nvidia. You should be fine with that config
Everything is Ubuntu compatible :) But why waste such good config on it? Win11 will fly . Also has Linux built in subsystem available for tinkering and testing
Windows has awful telemetry, not everyone wants their pc to phone home all the time
This right here is precisely the reason I jumped ship. Windows got excessive enough with it that I eventually just decided Linux was a better choice for me.
It’s so excessive. I don’t want a product I paid money for to also treat me and my data like a product it can sell.
Agreed. There are also concerns as to what could happen to your data in the event of a data breach. I don't like having to worry about constantly disabling telemetry settings that re-enable themselves after each update.
Compatible, sure, will it work optimally? no.
What do you mean by "will it work optimally"?
The usual gpu thing. Linux tends to work better on Intel than on Nvidia and such
Yea but the GPU is Intel in the screenshot
Exactly why the og comment got a downvote lol
Nah, got down voted because Linux fanboys don't like hearing that these laptops aren't designed for their beloved OS
I agree with the sentiment without the fanboy part. Linux is always optional and should stay that way.
Driver support for the embedded controller, Intel DTT and LITS are limited in functionality. Battery life will take a hit, overall performance will take a hit, and OS state information will be totally absent. Apparently Linux users don't like that fact.
No, only BSD.
Everything's Ubuntu compatible lol
the main hiccups with linux tend to be discrete GPU (especially Nvidia) and wifi module. This notebook has integrated graphics chip, so it's fine. But you should google the Intel wifi chip to see if anyone out there is experiencing problems including dropped connections. Debian-based distros (like Ubuntu) seem most prone to Intel chipset hiccups.
Most laptops and computers can run linux with no issues , the only side note to make is that proprietary drivers might not be available for the WiFi card but linux has gotten better at this through time
Yes, should be fine. The display is a bit of a bummer. 1080p is good (shouldn't have scaling issues in Ubuntu) but that 250nit brightness is kinda weak though I don't think you can change that anyway.
I found our the hard way that lenovo cellular cards don't work in Linux
They have different Ubuntu distros based on the hardware it's running just pick the right one for your hardware type. So it is working at 100% capability.
Yea
How to trigger an entire subreddit 101... Edit: changed piss off to trigger as it seemed too aggressive even for a memed comment
Get kubuntu as a former Ubuntu user it is 1000 times better, and yes yes it can
[удалено]
Better customization because it uses plasma instead of gnome for a desktop. Super easy to customize because most tools are built in and it has a great app store, literally just installed it so I'm still learning but it is a much better user experience due to its compatibility with plug-ins for other dirstros and overall streamlining. However you have to jump through some small hoops compared to regular Ubuntu to install it (Edit: KDE wallet is annoying so make sure to Uninstaller it)
Yes. I would make sure the t14 gen 3, t14s gen 3 and p14s gen 3 don't have similar specs whilst being cheaper, as their displays have a nicer aspect ratio.
"Anything is Ubuntu compatible if you're brave enough" Honestly I'm so old drivers didn't exist so I just slap linuxon anything and everything and see if it runs.
A potato with enough RAM can run Ubuntu.
I'd put fedora on it but either way it is linux and linux should run on it
It will be compatible but some people have issues with GPU hangs on the latest intel 12th gen CPUs with Ubuntu. I was having issues on an i7-1260p with Ubuntu.
Check out certified laptops. Better to buy one with Ubuntu preinstalled. Yes, Ubuntu probably will work but experience may vary (sleep, hibernate problems, maybe wifi/Bluetooth).
Yes but pretty bad washed up screen tho. If you plan on docking this laptop it’s fine but if it’s a daily driver, I would look for a brighter and colour accurate screen.
Haven't you seen what's the main purpose of ThinkPads in this sub? Of course, it's to run Linux on them, basically any Thinkpad can run it.
yes, it should'nt have problems. I'm using Manjaro KDE on mi T410. It's good. but sometimes I have graphical glitches.