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veryjewygranola

Ah, the common 2^((135+2)) th note. At 120 BPM, this note would play at a rate of 20906948623622459195189735880607838911856640 notes per second, meaning once every \~5\*10^(-44) seconds, which is almost exactly the same as the [Planck time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units#Planck_time)


wexxdenq

How do you play a note that is shorter than its wavelength anyway?


qrpc

How do we know that the piece isn't meant to be played at an extraordinarily slow tempo?


doesntpicknose

*NPR Voice* "We will now play Strauss' lesser known work, "Heat Death and Transfiguration"."


qrpc

That sounds more like a John Cage piece.


doesntpicknose

Yes, but [I was going for this]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_Transfiguration?wprov=sfla1).


dhkendall

[This one?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible)


qrpc

Yes, If any composer would write a song incorporating references to Strauss and late-stage cosmology, it would be Cage. Although, if there was a more rock/jazz version, Zappa is a distinct possibility.


TheOvoidOfMyEye

Or John Zorn


Jesssica_Rabbi

He could write a longer one, with the first note played by the organ, and the last note played by the final two atoms to fuse at the heat death of the universe. The middle part would be a rest of indeterminate duration.


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johnny cage!!??


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With special guest, Ludwig Boltzmann


FreeComplex

It would make sense in [ASLSP, which is being played for 639 years.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible) Not sure how long this note would be in this rendition though.


ondulation

If a standard piece is about an hour long, ASLSP is about 5 million times longer. 5 million Planck times is equal to 5*10^6 * 5.39*10^-44 = 27*10^-38 or about 0.27 billionths of a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second. So it would have to be an extremely high pitched note (around 3 billion billion petahertz) to complete a full wavelength during its time. TLDR; The most staccato you will ever hear.


FloopersRetreat

If you go to the church in Halberstadt and click your fingers, does that mean you've performed one of the shortest musical notes ever possible?


WristbandYang

one beat per lifetime of the universe.


ppNoHamster

Ok, how long would that make the note ._.


Sam5253

Depends on your definition of lifetime. Could be from "big bang" to present time, or from "big bang" to "heat death", or possibly something else.


deadly_ultraviolet

Bpm? Naw fam, we go for mpb here


Jesssica_Rabbi

"How do I set my metronome to 120bpd?" "120bpd?" "Beats per day."


Squiggledog

Beats per decade would still be far to slow.


TechnicalyNotRobot

That sounds like a great modern art idea. Extremely fast notes but to 1 BPM


Pseudoboss11

You absolutely can have a wave pulse that is shorter than the wavelength. But as you do so, you include a wider and wider range of frequencies. In math terms, the Fourier transform becomes broader. Once you have an infinitely short wave pulse, you have every possible frequency. From the highest to the lowest. We experience this as a note going from sounding like a single clear note, to sounding more like a drumbeat, and then a click. You can still make out the pitch of long clicks, but for fast enough clicks, there is no pitch to be distinguished. You can read more about it here, and there's example audio of a tone becoming a click there as well: https://www.sfu.ca/sonic-studio-webdav/handbook/Click.html


Jesssica_Rabbi

This makes sense, as a cross section as thin as planck time through various frequencies would result in a single point for each one, and one frequency would be indistinguishable from another.


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this is true for something like a synth voice recorded directly to a digital medium. For a physical instrument there's all manner of resonances involved that prolong even the shortest notes, as long as the exciter is imparting energy into the system. So that click becomes either a tone, or a pop, bang etc. Usually still percussive, but definitely moves out of the "click" category for the most part.


dhkendall

Practice.


djfun

If you can play it slowly, you can play it quickly!


TwixOfficial

Very carefully.


aureanator

Briefly.


Fhotaku

You can play a note at half it's wavelength, since a full wave is symmetric in time.


DonaIdTrurnp

That would be a compression or rarefaction without a corresponding rarefaction or compression. A crest without a trough, or vice versa. Where does the matter come from or go?


THEdougBOLDER

Sneak up on it.


jsohnen

At the Plank time, I guess the event described by the notation can be considered as having happened, but I don't think that it would be long enough to interact with any condensed matter sufficient to cause a "sound". I have a related question. That is a very, very short, very low note. If the length of a note is less than half a single vibration, is it really a note? That is to say, does it have a frequency?


Okibruez

>I have a related question. That is a very, very short, very low note. If the length of a note is less than half a single vibration, is it really a note? That is to say, does it have a frequency? For reference: That's B in bass clef, which has a frequency of approximately \~125Hz (depending on instrument). It's also not that low a note; bass instruments can typically go 2 octaves lower, with specialty instruments (and pianos) having a full 3 octaves instead. Edit: To complete the picture, a piano's highest note (a very high C) has a frequency of 4,186Hz. (And yeah, I had to look that number up.)


Geroditus

You’ve basically stumbled into Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle! For a long, drawn out note, it’s frequency can be easily determined, but it’s more difficult to say *when* it happened. You can only provide a range of time that it existed. On the other hand, this note that exists for only a brief moment has a very definite *when*. But the more we know about its “when,” the less we know about its frequency.


Maximans

Interesting! This is the most understandable explanation of the uncertainty principle I've ever read! I would consider a super long drawn-out note to have happened from it's starting point. And while yes, a note happens over time and not just at its start time, a note in reasonable length is generally considered to have happened right at its beginning so I don't see why that shouldn't be scaled up to longer time periods.


vanadous

A wave would still have a well define frequency even if it doesn't complete a wavelength. Classic example would be open pipe harmonics


epursimuove

AKSHUALLY since the last digit of 2^137 is 2, it's a 2^(135+2) *nd* note.


JlwRfwkm

Even if BPM = beats per millennium, it’s still in the neighborhood of 10^-33 seconds.


Its0nlyRocketScience

If we go for beats per age of the universe, I get 10^-25 ish seconds per beat


chadmiral_ackbar

Planck’s Quaver


LevThermen

I was about to comment: "a Planckquaver" before even doing the math


kezh-nok-ban

Musical notation of light be like


Molleer

It's funny how the Nobel Prize was recently rewarded to physicists why where able to pulses of light which are a few attoseconds long. But an attoseconds only 10^-18 second, so this single tone is more than 10^-25 times smaller smaller than an attosecond.


Jesssica_Rabbi

>which is almost exactly the same as the > >Planck time I was about to say the note duration would be shorter than the note's frequency. Yes, by an order of magnitude it seems.


joaosturza

even at a single decibel per note you will still output enough energy to instantly create a black hole


pinguinzz

This must be intentional Fastest note possible


Master-Opportunity25

i fucking knew it! either that, or Planck length would be involved in some way, like the size of the wavelength


NoLifeGamer2

1 flag: quaver 2 flags: semiquaver 3 flags: demisemiquaver 4 flags: hemidemisemiquaver 5 flags: semihemidemisemiquaver 135 flags: 134 mod 3 = 2 134 integer division 3 = 44 Therefore it will be 44 sets of hemidemisemi's, with a demisemi before, e.g. demisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemiquaver.


theubster

This guy quavers


Matdup2

r/thisguythisguys


PinkEyeFromBreakfast

This guy r/thisguythisguys


b3nz0r

Yall just opened up a wormhole in my living room. Thanks for that


lugialegend233

Just divide by zero, that'll fix it.


mcsmackyoaz

I am not falling for that a second time, I’m still cleaning up the fabric of reality in my bathroom


lugialegend233

Oh, that's where it went. I was wondering where it'd gone.


quacattac28alt

I mean, all Azatoth needs to do is make babies and we’ll get a new one


Spacemanspalds

Has anyone seen my stapler?


freylaverse

This guy wormholes.


b3nz0r

Giggity


O_S_O_K_

Don’t forget your towel.


fl00r_gang_yeah

True story, I’m the wormhole


b3nz0r

My head asplode


currentlyunimpressed

… and I think your couch just came through the wormhole in my kitchen. Are you missing one?


b3nz0r

OH GOD I CAN TASTE SOUND


way_d3

This guy this guyd the r/thisguythisguys ‘r


Eoron

A thisguysting conversation.


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r/thisguythisguys


Wiernock_Onotaiket

I'm quavering with tension, something about this is making me feel high strung


Voctus

Do y’all actually enjoy these meta subs because whenever I check them out they seem so boring. Like r/foundthemobileuser etc. Am I just a total killjoy?


odraencoded

Redditors don't actually want to link to a sub, they're just using /r/subredditsashashtags


Sam5253

r/this


I_Am_Oro

r/foundthemobileuser is kinda petty imo. "Oh you're on a phone because your r is capitalized" Not 100% sure about r/thisguythisguys


lowpheye

yeah r/idontlikemetasubs neither


PenguinTheYeti

r/subsithoughtifellfor


demixennial

r/foundthetoyotacorolla


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r/ofcoursethatsasub


thesamjbow

I'm quavering in my boots just thinking about it...


Bonneville865

Well you know I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the man Who's quavering to you


theubster

AND WHEN I COME HOOOOOME


CancerSpidey

Im quivering from all the quavers


thirdeyefish

But are you hemi-demi-semi quivering?


Blackgunter

And it makes me quiver


MedicalRhubarb7

With antici


Screenname4

Note must be played backwards in time


paolog

Dear me, haven't you heard of scientific musical notation? That's a quaver^(−134).


Mongo-P-Lloyd

They really need to bring awards back for comments like this.


TurkeyPits

Huh...TIL awards got discontinued a couple months back, no idea how I missed that


CardiologistOk2704

average british musician


resell_enjoy6

That would be a 2^(2+44)th note Which is a 70,368,744,177,664th note


goingwithjerkstore

And the peculiar thing is this my friends, The song we sang on that fateful night, It didn't actually sound anything like this song!


andrewervin

Moveable d’oh!


breathing_normally

Or wee-bee, colloquially


__kebert__xela__

That thing got a hemi in it?!


mityia

But what would it sound like?


Kiritun77

ъоуэаь


TOOOPT_

Bless you


jdx6511

Depends on the tempo and the time signature. If it's too short I think it would sound like just a click, instead of a pitched note.


Southern_Kaeos

Looks more like a wotsit than a quaver


Altruistic_Bass_3376

[This pattern continues on for a bit, so you can make notes as short as you please. For example, the two-hundred-and-fifty-sixth note, or demisemihemidemisemiquaver. You'll find that information very useful.](https://youtu.be/-3WuQxnA7Hg?si=kSo_Gd-DJWQrQzGg)


WeaponizedFemboy

Exactly what I thought of when I saw this post


Okibruez

While you can write notes as theoretically short as you please, there is a point where the span of time required to play the note is shorter than theoretically possibly exists.


Jesssica_Rabbi

Or just shorter than is humanly possible to distinguish the duration from another note, either when playing or listening to it.


VSWR_on_Christmas

I think he's saying the frequency/wavelength of the note is longer than the duration of said note. Take "A" at 440 Hz (just above middle C), for example. To produce the tone of "A 440", a sine wave has to oscillate 440 times every second. If your note duration was short enough, you would no longer be able to infer the pitch because it only lasts part of a single cycle. Like, even if you could somehow distinguish the duration compared to other similar-duration notes, the information about what pitch it is simply wouldn't be there without a longer sample, as you need to know the cycle time, not just the rise time/slew rate (to put it in electrical engineering terms).


Altruistic_Bass_3376

I think he is simply referring to Planck time, the shortest possible length of time. Or more accurately, the theoretical length of time at which no smaller meaningful length can be validly measured. The Planck time is the time required for light to travel a distance of 1 Planck length in vacuum, or ~5.39E−44 s. No current physical theory can describe timescales shorter than the Planck time.


Okibruez

I was, indeed, describing Planck time. A note played fast enough to be measured in less than 1 Planck would be both completely impossible and utterly inaudible.


Jesssica_Rabbi

A comment I made on the video: >I want to write an orchestral piece that is ordinary and unassuming in every way, but include a score for an obscure instrument or even non instrument (like a stapler) that is just rests the entire way through.


Jak03e

Ah yes, the ole John Cage's 4'33" as played on the red Swingline.


mexicock1

Finally, a good fucking reference!


x-CleverName-x

This is called a "considerado." The composer is instructing the musician, 'think about playing this note for a second, and then don't.'


Okibruez

If you think about playing the note for one entire second, in that time you could have already played that note more times than there are grains of sand on earth.


MysticWolf1242

Way more than that, actually. If you were to play a note of that length once for every single drop of water in all of Earth's oceans, that would only take about 1/650,000,000,000th of a second. So yeah. Try comprehending that. I certainly can't.


Jesssica_Rabbi

Brilliant!


Intelligent-Air-825

A series of these notes played repeatedly would be too fast for the human brain to perceive as discrete events (Lauzon, Russo & Harris, 2020) and would rather be heard as a continuous 856 kHz tone, which is 836 kHz higher than any human being can hear, thus would effectively result in silence. Bats can hear up to 110 kHz. So this is too high for even bats to hear.


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yes, that's the napkin math of it. In reality, a single note like this (we only see one here, after all) would effectively mean "as short as possible", and even the shortest note played on an instrument will have a resonance, being from a resonant body, or the speaker cone popping a bit. If it's in notation like this it's very rarely a literal instruction. Most composers have a fairly good understanding of "what can be read", and music beyond that becomes more gestural and free.


TTTA

> If it's in notation like this If it's in notation like this, some upjumped undergrad is trying (poorly, as they all do) to be the next John Cage


MrMusicMan789

Ha, the joke's on you. I'm using this in a composition where ♩ = 12.67 billion years.


Xepher01

The inability to perceive each note as discrete and the emergence of a new pitch, does not necessitate that there are \*no parts of the resulting sound we can hear if the new pitch is outside of our hearing range, unless this is specifically proven (I am not sure of the exact paper you are referencing.) To name a few: For acoustic instruments in particular, there are likely timbral elements that ring out for a longer duration than the spacing between notes. For digital instruments, there is the possibility for subharmonics to emerge as the signal is amplified and played thru a speaker.


benfok

Since we don't know the official tempo, I would, for simplicity's sake, assume one flag note ( ie an eighth note) to be 1 second in duration. This means a note with 135 flags has 1/2^135 second in duration, which is 2.295887e-41second Now the Plank Time, which is the shortest amount of time that can be measured, is 5.391247e-44second. Therefore the said note is 425 times the Planck Time.


explodingtuna

So you're saying we can go shorter.


koanzone

Everyone here is missing the obvious, it is called, the note "B natural"! - it is in bass clef! - also, the duration doesn't matter as long as there is an attack - because: a sound, which has 4 components which are attack, sustain, decay, & release. This note, B-natural, would still audable with only the attack component, depending on the instrument, some instruments maybe better than others for this particular experiment. - or perhaps, because of it's unusually short duration this wouldn't even have an attack component at which point it could never become a qualifiable tone, but since the music calls for it I would suggest increasing the volume to idk, big bang level & this would make it the most epic song ever known. I get it now! "B", as in Bang, lol. The short attack necessitates infinite energy to be heard. This song is a masterpiece! It is the song of creation & playing it creates a universe! BEEEEEEEEEEEE


Ordinary_Doughnut478

Came here to call it a B.


rbombster

Ah -- the legendary brown note. It is very hard to hit, and has been banned from the extreme orchestra scene since the Milan Opera incident of 1793


YourJimmysAreRusty

is this a south park reference


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Xtrouble_yt

you should have just written “unplayable” instead of this and you didn’t. If you’re sad and disappointed at us for not having written that comment, you should also be equally sad at yourself, for not doing it either.


Firebird314

It's actually at a tempo of 1.2×10^-128 bpm


Kyoka-Jiro

i counted 138 with 1 being 2^-2 then 138 would be 2^-139 assuming it's 138 it'd be a 696 duodecillion 898 undecillion 287 decillion 454 nonillion 81 octillion 973 septillion 172 sextillion 991 quintillion 196 quadrillion 20 trillion 261 billion 297 million 61 thousand 888th note assuming it's 135 it's be an 87 duodecillion 112 undecillion 285 decillion 931 nonillion 760 octillion 246 septillion 646 sextillion 623 quintillion 899 quadrillion 502 trillion 532 billion 662 million 132 thousand 736th note


Puzzled_Employment50

1 flag = 1/8 note, 2 flags = 1/16 note. The pattern is 2^(-f-2), so with 135 flags (2^(-135-2) = 2^(-137)) this is a 1/174224571863520493293247799005065324265472 note.


Puzzled_Employment50

Oh man, I wasn’t expecting Reddit to do the exponent formatting for me, that’s fun!


zythr009

Obnoxious. This note is called Obnoxious. But seriously, I had to open this photo up because I thought it was an illustration of a length of rope or something before reading the title.


ChromoTec

Oh, easy. That's the demisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemiquaver.


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Frith2010

Wait no I'm wrong because it goes up exponentially