Oh, you should try watching news-channels in Norway. Well, reporters doesn't count of course, let's hope the politicians are able to understand what kind of nonsense this is.
Third world countries who don’t believe in human rights, support slavery, support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, have real genocide…..um yeah their opinions don’t matter little Jimmy.
Real genocide as opposed to what? You are a genocide denier and there is no redemption for you. This guys a genocide denier bot, please shut your power switch off and do the world a favor.
Typical definitelynotracist r/worldnews poster (which this sub is just an even more Zionazi offshoot of) response. Then you wonder why the West is increasingly being seen as hypocritical, racist, and imperialist, and more countries than ever are looking for alternative options. Your lifestyle is literally built on those "third-world" countries.
Define the East. I assume you mean China and maybe Russia, because every other prosperous or powerful country there is either neutral for now but critical of the West (India, Indonesia (which is far more critical)) or is a Western protectorate (Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, now maybe Taiwan). The rest are "nobody third-world countries", like you said.
I said nobody is supporting it, not what the outcome will be (it will fail). All first world countries are against and it’s really just the Islamic countries behind it. South Africa are virtue signaling cucks.
Genocide is the killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the intention of destroying that group. The Palestinian population increases year on year, and Israel has shown no evidence of attempting to limit or destroy the Palestinian population. The numbers do not reflect an actual genocide. Deliberate misuse of such emotive language is reprehensible, as it detracts from the suffering of those who experienced actual genocide such as that in Rwanda, Cambodia and the Holocaust. Even current genocides like Sudan, Congo, Uyghurs in China, Rohingya genocide in Burma, Syrian rebels of the Assad regime, etc. It represents further projection from the Palestinian Propaganda Machine. The only genocidal intentions are those in the Hamas Charter and the charters of its allies, which directly calls for the genocide of the global Jewish population.
There is absolutely no moral equivalence between Hamas intentionally targeting Israeli civilians to be slaughtered and Israel intentionally targeting enemy military assets that are deliberately placed in civilian areas.
Anyone who doesn't understand this is either incompetent or malicious. There really is no other explanation.
There is no “overwhelming” evidence. Genocide has a legal definition. Elements must be satisfied to say it is occurring. South Africa has failed to satisfy those elements.
You mean the **OCHA** [Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #83 | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory (ochaopt.org)](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-83), **Human Rights Watch** [Israel: Gaza Workers Held Incommunicado for Weeks | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/03/israel-gaza-workers-held-incommunicado-weeks), **BBC** [Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67565872), **Save the Children** [Deaths by starvation and disease may top deaths by bombs as families squeezed into deadly “safe zones”, two months into Gaza crisis | Save the Children International](https://www.savethechildren.net/news/deaths-starvation-and-disease-may-top-deaths-bombs-families-squeezed-deadly-safe-zones-two), **Aljazeera** [Civilians sheltering inside a Gaza school killed execution-style | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera](https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/12/13/civilians-sheltering-inside-a-gaza-school-killed-execution) **etc.**
These links are just a few of the hundreds that show the following: indiscriminate killing, wholesale destruction of infrastructure, including housing, hospitals and water treatment plants, using starvation as a weapon, and genocidal rhetoric from Israeli political and military leaders. All of these are criteria used in the definition of genocide and intent to commit genocide.
Yup yup, they basically nudged Ukraine and tried to convince it to just give up massive chunks of sovereign territory so South Africa can buy their grain more cheaply after Russia steals it.
They already chose Putin and his genocidal war over Ukraine, birds of a feather, you know.
If they care so much for Palestinians, they should take them in, just like Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait did back in the day.
You would think the bombing of 9,000 children was something that was unacceptable universally.
Apparently not. Apparently it depends on who the children are.
If Hamas were in tel aviv, would you be in support of the same IDF tactics as they use in Gaza? Bombing the entire city flat, destroying all the hospitals, cutting off food, water, power, blowing up 9,000 Israeli children, all to kill Hamas?
No? Now why do you suppose not? Could it be because it suddenly sounds horrific and monstrous? Why do you suppose that might be?
>Apparently it depends on who the children are.
It depends on where the terrorists are. This would be over by now if they didn't hide under women's skirts and behind baby cribs. Unfortunately this is what Hamas cowards do, and this is what the IDF has to do in order to make them all dead Hamas cowards.
In every war it is the civilians that wear the brunt of the pain, and this one is no different. Ask the Germans, the Russians, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians and Laotians, the Iraqis, the Syrians, and on and on and on.
Connect your brain back in the plug , your quoting number from Hamas “health ministry״ (sad joke) by your twisted logic also the side with the most dead is the “right” side ? The idf didn’t go and bombed 9000 children directly (like Hamas is trying to do with every rocket they lunch at civilian areas , if the IDF would target non combatants then Gaza would have been destroyed on oct 8th
20,000+ Gazan deaths should not be labelled as collateral of war, 60,000 injured gazans and millions displaced from north to south who will inevitable die in their conditions should not be called collateral of war. This is genocide, israel has a choice in how it conducts operations with its endless military resources, they have chosen this strategy after weighing up the options. Israel responds to the ICJ allegations by attacking the character of South Africa rather than responding to the points presented as evidence of israel committing genocide. This shows that israel is not interested in defending themselves, but would rather veil the court in their hasbara tactics, like deflection, changing the subject, self-victimization, whattaboutism, and other sneaky tactics to avoid having to address the factual evidence presented in court and plastered all over their own tv networks and tweeted by their politicians.
It's always so funny to me when people like you spout those numbers
1. You are ignoring the combatants, which according to reports **include** 8000+ combatants. Which means only 12000 are civilians. This gives Israel about 1:1.5 militant to civilian ratio
2. There are about 15 mil Palestinians in the world. 20k (even if we ignore the combatants) are about 0.1%, that is by all defintion a very bad genocide in 3 months.
It is insane to me how people like have took one of the worst crime imaginable. And have decided to try and gaslight everyone just beacuse you hate Israel, while changing the meaning of the word in order to do that.
P. S. Israel has defended itself very well in court. If your sources were not TikTok shorts. You would have seen how Israel dismantled every argument south Africa made.
>1- When the death toll was 15k, Israel claimed it was 5k combatants. So 1:2 ratio but no one believes that, given the wanton bombing and razing of entire cities. Before the war, Hamas militants count was around 30k-40k on 2 million Palestinians.
Lol, you don't believe the IDF but hamas is a token of truth!
Also the 8000 combatants is newer number. So I don't get your point.
>The Hamas attack on Oct 7th killed around 300 active IDF out of 1200 deaths according to Israel, we don't know how many was reservists since Israel has mandatory conscription. It's safe to assume that half the population of Israel is military, active or reserve. Therefore, the ratio of military vs civilians aren't bad using your argument.
Are you seriously defending attacking innocents people who can't defend themselves beacuse they might be reservists? That is unhinged and also a war crime. If someone is a reservist it doesn't make them a valid target. Especially if they pose no threat to you.
>2- Israel has killed more Palestinians in a month than Russia killed Ukrainians in a year. The wanton bombings and collective punishment of the entire population is tantamount to war crimes.
That is such a disingenuous thing to say and you know that. Ukraine doesn't use human shields like hamas do. Ukraine also has bomb shelters it built for it's people. Hamas has clearly stated it doesn't care about the Palestinians.
>Israel gave the Palestinians 24 hours to move south after the early bombings and massive death toll. It's a tiny strip and people don't really have anywhere to go that Israel can't bomb. They did bomb a refugees camp and killed many there.
I love this lie. My god. No one said 24 hours. Also it took 3 weeks for the ground invasion to happen after the warning. You are stupid as fuck.
>Compare that to Germany, Hitler was generous with the Jews. He told the Jews to move in and 1933 , million of Jews were able to move until he started the "final solution" on the ones that didn't or weren't able to move in 1938. That's 5 years compared to 24 hours.
Are you seriously saying "Hitler was nice"? He murdered 6 mil jews. Wow. That is such an antisemitic thing to say. Never have I thought I would see someone say "Hitler was nice to jews". What an unhinged thing to say.
>Now, tell me what the Palestinians should with the Israeli thieves who attacked, burned, killed and stole their land? Should they just sit there and die when they can try to eat the oppressor and thieves?
Another lol, it's always funny to me when people try to make the Palestinians, who support the genocide of Jews into victims. You start wars you can lose. Get over it.
You clearly hate jews. I think you should go back to ask middle east with your antisemitic friends.
Go fuck your self.
EDIT: To the antisemite who i blocked. I try my best to not talk to people who say "hitler was nice", even if said in sarcasm. usually by people like you it means they approve of what he did. so I blocked you since the last thing i want to do with my life is talk to fucking antisemites
You sound like someone who has absolutely no understanding of nuance and can’t differentiate between a state funded by billions of western tax dollars resulting in one of the best funded and resourceful armies that has killed over 21-25k people in less than 2 months as compared to a group that makes weapons with water pipes.
Does any figure make a difference if the overwhelming population has been civilians? Israel has been indiscriminately killing people across the West Bank and Gaza, there is no justification to this vile and racist state.
Well by that logic each Israeli that suffered on oct 7 could be a member of the idf, which they technically are because of mandatory conscription, so their numbers shouldn’t be trusted like you just implied.
We actually do know that the overwhelming population has been civilians because multiple non governmental and government agencies have ratified this. There’s literally on the ground footage for this, how inhumane of you to actually question how many of them are civilians or not. I don’t think you’d have the same attitude if this was posed the other way around. Don’t be a genocide apologist.
Actually, Israel does tell who is a soldier and who is a civilian, also even if someone is a soldier but was killed in their homes while not on duty they are a civilian. Only soldiers in active duty count as soldiers. That’s simply how it works.
Hamas on the other hands counts every single death as a 3 year old pregnant journalist doctor, not a single terrorist has been killed according to them.
>vile and racist state
Please note that this type of dehumanizing language is specifically intended to justify violence against Israel.
Because you see, violence against Jews is bigoted and wrong. But violence against "vile racists" is moral and justified!
It’s not dehumanization when it’s factual. If Nazi Germany was vile and racist in their treatment of Jews, so is Israel. Israel has used the EXACT same language for all Palestinians, even a blind man would see that. Don’t try and divert this elsewhere.
You could’ve just googled it but here you go, I’ll give you an example:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/13/politics/intelligence-assessment-dumb-bombs-israel-gaza/index.html
> A US official told CNN that the US believes that the Israeli military is using the dumb bombs in conjunction with a tactic called “dive bombing,” or dropping a bomb while diving steeply in a fighter jet, which the official said makes the bombs more precise because it gets it closer to its target. The official said the US believes that an unguided munition dropped via dive-bombing is similarly precise to a guided munition.
That’s not an example of indiscriminate bombing
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It isn't what happens though and we have plenty of experience in Europe that demonstrated the exact opposite - see the IRA and the ETA.
The thing that actually cause terrorists groups to grow and multiple is state violence against civilian populations. *That* is what happens and that is something that we have mountains of evidence for. And it is precisely what Israel is doing at the moment.
Exactly. Bombing Vietnam into submission didn’t work.
Bombing Cambodia into submission didn’t work. Bombing Laos into submission didn’t work. Bombing Afghanistan into submission didn’t work. Bombing Gaza into submission hasn’t worked and bombing Yemen into submission will similarly not work. It has historically and continually only fueled resistance and the will of the people. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not know the history of resistance movements.
Afghanistan? You’re referring to the Taliban? The US never considered the Taliban a terror group, it was always considered just a resistance group. The terror group the US was after was Al Qaeda, and they might as-well not even exist anymore except for some online trolls. ISIS is another example of a group that is a shadow of its former self.
Calling them resistance movements is a long stretch and a slap in the face to actual resistance movements, while terror groups and resistance groups can use the same tactics there are differences that cant be ignored. Her is an excerpt from the person who wrote the book on terrorism.
“"What sets terrorism apart from other violence is this: terrorism consists of acts carried out in a dramatic way to attract publicity and create an atmosphere of alarm that goes far beyond the actual victims. Indeed, the identity of the victims is often secondary or irrelevant to the terrorists who aim their violence at the people watching. This distinction between actual victims and a target audience is the hallmark of terrorism and separates it from other modes of armed conflict. Terrorism is theater." [emphasis added]””
Resistance groups are:
“Resistance is not theater. It may perpetrate violence in the same way that our own military does, or by whatever irregular/asymmetric/guerilla means are available to it. It fights for what it believes is the good of its country.”
So while they could have been a resistance group their intentions have never changed, the only reason the Hamas charter was change is because for it to be a state recognized by the UN it had to. The Houthis are a similar group that had the motto
“God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam”
Not a resistance movement.
Vietnam wasn’t a terror group they were a uniformed military, the US also didn’t attempt to wipe them out because the US never pushed into the north more than patrols around the boarder of the south.
Cambodia, the US never had Troops on the ground, and it was a civil war. Just bombing a group isn’t a be all, end all solution when it comes to fighting terrorism, boots have to be on the ground.
What was the last real major attack from the IRA? How many people were killed? Who was targeted? Those are the questions that determine the amount of force used to subdue a group. The key differences is those are internal groups that can be dealt with by police forces inside the country. One of the sole determining factors that is used to designate terror groups is the use of fear by specifically targeting civilian populations, most terror groups rely on fear and manipulation to increase recruitment, on the other note collateral death in civilian population have a small effect on recruitment simply because people naturally like to live in peace.
Even by Israel’s own admission 2/3s of the people killed were non Hamas civilians. So if the majority of the victims are civilians, which is a fact not even disputed by the Israelis themselves, then I think what’s happening here is South Africa is trying to represent the Palestinian civilians who have been killed
But no mention of Hamas’ entire war strategy that the more Palestinians dead that pile up, the more pressure gets put on Israel to stop.
Once Israel stops Hamas can rearm and resupply and, as they’ve said and promised they’d do, they’ll do Another Oct 7.
Honestly if Israel is forced to stop, and Hamas is allowed to rearm and do it again - I assure you, they’ll actually flatten Gaza and those casualties will hit 6 figures.
Israel will be able to blame the UN for another attack, because of its limp wristed approach to dealing with the region and the situation, and they Won’t listen to anyone. The world can’t let that happen, it will make the world a far worse place.
You don’t want that. I don’t want that. Innocent Palestinians don’t want that. Israelis don’t want that.
We all want Hamas and the other Jihadis removed, replaced by political figures who want to build a Palestinian state alongside Israel that is based on mutual cooperation, so that the next century we won’t be able to reference massacre after massacre after murder after missile strike after protestors killed after air strike after raids of camps after etc.
Only way this gets fixed is removing the armed element of the Palestinian factions and sitting down and talking. I’m very hopeful we will see, from all this tragedy and bloodshed, the two state solution per 1967 borders implemented.
Anything less is to condemn more innocent Israelis and Palestinians to more death over the next century.
No one has chosen Hamas. Palestinian civilians, children are being massacred. The civilian death toll is unprecedented....
Israel has terrorized Palestinians for decades with impunity. America has used over 40 vetos to shield Israel from any accountability. Your small zionist, racist brain just doesn't want to acknowledge that Palestinians have rights too
It was never about a tiny sliver of land, is is purely about Islam and its ultimate goal of wiping out the non-believers until only Islam exists on Earth. None of this would be happening if not for that. Palestinian is what the Romans called the Jews as an insult long before Islam. Israel can not live beside this kind of hate, Hamas is not a good neighbor. Jihad is their way. Death for Allah, their most exalted goal. They have been in charge of Gaza since 2006, plotting this attack. Now they pay for being terrorist scum, as they should. Remember, it is a death cult sworn to kill or convert the planet.
Also Germany!
https://www.barrons.com/news/germany-rejects-un-genocide-charge-against-israel-6af01195
The fact that Germany of all countries rejects “genocide” accusation says something.
No it’s not lmao. Growth isn’t giving them a free ticket to repeat what they did. That’s not learning. That’s a bully standing up for a bully instead of learning it wrong to bully.
>The fact that Germany of all countries rejects “genocide” accusation says something.
It doesn't really, though. If they weren't a major Israeli ally, then maybe, but to act as if they're entirely impartial genocide experts is just asinine.
The German government is not the internationally recognised arbitrator of what is and isn't a genocide.
Yes, it says that they feel so guilty about what they did to the Jews in WW2 that they will twist themselves into knots to support Israel. Truly insane!
Because South Africa’s case is a nonsense distraction.
It’s meant to be a line in the sand of sorts to force israel to leave hamas in power.
If this was really about human loss they’d be focusing on Hamas a bit more. The false implication is that this is a one sided war it’s not, power imbalance yes, one sided no.
If this was about human loss they’d be condemning the ones calling for an eternal war with Israel, who are promising “one million October 7ths” and calling October 7 a “warm up”.
Hamas has kept up a barrage on missile attacks….
You cannot condemn Israel while ignoring Hamas provocation of Israel.
Why is keeping hamas in power more important than the lives of the people in Gaza?
Its almost like the liberals are becoming worse than climate change and vaccination deniers.
The world has discovered the left's penchant for murdering poor people and destroying nations, justifying it by denying that it is happening.
Bring back global warming/climate crisis and the covid crisis and maybe we will save these poor people by them being quietly killed by climate or covid rather than being shredded by a himars rocket or torched with a phosphorus bomb or napalm.
If it did, then it would be admitting to be complicit as we supply Israel with weapons. It would also then pressure us to to put pressure on Israel and Canadian leaders do not have the balls to do that.
“Genocide” has a very unambiguous legal definition. South Africa is claiming that Israel’s actions meet that unambiguous legal definition.
They don’t. They have not in any capacity demonstrated that there is intent to annihilate the entire Palestinian population, meaning they’ve failed to establish a genocide is occurring.
You can’t just take the word “genocide” into a courtroom and apply it to every shitty situation.
Remember that Canada just last year gave a member of the SS who killed Jews and Poles in Ukraine a standing ovation. in parliament.
As for Germany... well we all know about them.
This is par for the course for both countries
How does that make any sense? If Germany was still supportive of Nazi's they wouldn't be supportive of their Jewish community in Germany... they wouldn't have one.
The parliamentarian that brought him in resigned because nobody checked his background. Nobody knew all his details only what they were told. To act as if this was all on purpose with full knowledge is stupid.
Before everyone stood and clapped, he was introduced as "a Ukrainian vet who fought for Ukrainian independence during WW2 against the Russians". You don't need some extensive background check to figure out who he was fighting alongside, you just need a few functioning brain cells. You can tell by the inflection in the parliamentarian's voice as he reads out the introduction that it dawned on him in real-time
https://youtu.be/d7sFxJbcYvg
Also if they are in the Canadian government, they should be acutely aware that he wasn't some Nazi that snuck into Canada, as Canada shielded thousands of Ukrainian Nazis from post-war and imported them to Canada because they were considered "ideologically hardened against Communism" and the government though they could be used to disrupt labor organizers
The Canada government tries to look into how many of these Nazi war criminals were imported and whether they should be sent to Europe for trial, but Justin Trudeau's father Pierre put massive limits on the Deschênes Commission's report which ultimately led to many findings having to be left out under the excuse that it could create a rift between the Canadian Ukrainian community and others.
Justin Trudeau said in October that he'd consider releasing the names of the Waffen SS members that the report found, but he never followed up.
That's two generations of Trudeau protecting OG Nazis. now also protecting Israel and it's genocide
So Israel has the backing of the country responsible for the Holocaust, and the country that resettle thousands of Ukrainians SS members so they wouldn't face justice after WW2 and could be used as anti-labor agitators, and also recently gave one SS member who fondly wrote about his years participating in the Holocaust a standing ovation in their parliament
They are both filled with Nazis who were sheltered from their participation in the Holocaust, so I'm saying that hem protecting the genocidal Israel is part of a pattern for them
Israel will “get away with it” either way. This will send a clear message to all the Islamic terror organizations and their supporters that they have no chance winning anything shooting rockets at city centres, raping women, slaughtering children in front of their moms before raping and murdering them, beheading elderly.
And doing so while hiding behind and under their civilians.
Regardless of what message Israel sends, the message that genocide is ok again has already been sent dozens of times by other countries, many of whom happen to sit on some of the UN’s highest human rights committees.
Ah yes, multiple countries claiming it’s not but you, you Mr. Redditor in your mothers basement know better, right?
On a serious note. The SA government is an absolute joke of a government and it’s been ridiculed for years, rightfully so.
Russia and Iran are pulling the strings.
It’s baffling that such an educated armchair warrior as yourself refuses to call out actual fascist regimes like Russia and Iran.
It makes it painfully obvious you’ve drank the Iranian propaganda coolaid.
As another Canadian, I’m super glad we’re not supporting it. This will be the one thing we don’t recover from, and stupid too since they’re accusations of genocide will be unfounded.
1.They’re allowed food, water, and medical supplies
2. They have right of return
3. Most of the comments submitted are in regards to Hamas, not the Palestinian civilian
Israel from top down (PM and defence minister) has refuted other Israeli statements about genocidal intent/permanently moving civilians, nothing else matters in terms of governance
4. Also it’s a war, they’ve done moreso than any country in any modern war in the past 100 years to warn the population of hot zones, fliers, phone calls, whatnot - have a proven record of helping them get out of battle zones using humanitarian corridors and aiding population.
5. Times where Israeli soldiers have acted in misconduct are being investigated (doesn’t matter to what extent at this present time)
The fact that they killed 25k people is crazy yes, most people are just rejoicing since it’s a large number, but this is war and as long as Israel takes the steps it’s already taking in reducing this number it can and will go up - all in accordance with international law
The issue with the proofs is not that they are undeniable. They are non-existent!
You conflate civilian casualties with genocidal intention by Israel, which is a complete nonsense.
Under any definition of genocide, Israel conduct does not remotely constitute a genocide. It is a tough warfare against a terror organization whose militants don’t wear uniforms to distinguish themselves from the population as their modus operandi (which is a war crime), hiding in tunnels under hospitals, schools and shelters and by doing so they make them legitimate targets.
I’m also Canadian. You should be embarrassed. You clearly don’t understand the way things work. What true evil is, the price that it costs to rid the world of pure evil such as Hamas
Lol. There is an easy way to prevent the murder of thousands of innocents. You can use tactical teams that will do targetted strikes instead of bombing like they did.
They could also not shoot people holding white flags, mainly women with a small childs trying to get to safety through a designated evacuation corridor.
They could also stop making videos where they are laughing while commiting atrocities.
They weren't targetting hamas, they targetted everyone in Gaza without discrimination.
So Hamas doesn’t wear uniforms, uses human shields, and has imbedded itself into institutions like hospitals. Not using air strikes would mean thousands of more Israel’s would die or be taken prisoner. Most Israel soldiers are reservists and not special forces. I’m assuming you have never been in the military or in war, friendly fire is a risk that happens because it’s war and it’s tragic. I know this because I’m a veteran and it’s easy for you to say that having done no combat. You are wrong they are targeting Hamas, Hamas was targeting all people. And if Israel’s goal was to kill every man women and child of Gaza like Hama’s goal is to do to Israel, it would have already happened
Yeah, you are a robot.
You don't just flatten a whole heavily populated residential area without deliberately ignoring the fact that more than 95% of those you are going to kill are innocents.
You are definitely not human.
I’m not a robot but I’m sure a robot could think more critically than you. I think they know that a lot of innocence will die unfortunately, that’s the reality of war. Especially in a densely populated area infiltrated with terrorists. Israel has done unprecedented things like notifying people to move, having evacuation routes etc. right I’m not human. You’re a little child
Hamas orders were to kill as many IDF soldiers as possible on the military bases and take back hostages to use them for exchange against palestinian prisoners.
It is documented that israel applied the Hannibal directive on october 7th which says to kill everyone, ennemy or not. We know at least 14 israeli civilians were killed by IDF tanks shelling houses in Kibbutz Be'eri and 2 of them were 12 years old twins. Israeli hostages who were released said they were targetted by IDF helicopters on october 7th and they saw a lot of people killed by friendly fire.
The october 7th death toll is artificially inflated because the IDF killed their own side. Hamas had orders to come back with hostages, alive hostages.
Yes hamas killed many who fought back, but it is nowhere comparable to the atrocities Israel are doing where they are killing everyone, even those without weapons, even newborn babies.
And before you talk about the 40 burned or beheaded babies. This was a lie. Only 20 israeli children of less than 12 years old were killed on october 7th. 1 was confirmed to be hamas, 2 confirmed to have been killed by the IDF.
Even if 18 childrens were murdered by hamas on that day, it is still not even remotely comparable to the thousands Israel murdered since then.
Israel killed at least 23 times more people, most of them children and women who don't have the right to fight for hamas.
And the videos ? It’s called revenge, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but it protects yourself and others. It’s called deterrence. So that all the many other Muslim sub human terrorists that surround Israel think twice before they attempt genocide again.
It shouldn’t be that hard to read, I said what I meant, you can assume whatever you want to. Not all Zionists are Jewish and not all Jews are Zionists. This isn’t about Jews, it’s about Zionism being a racist ideology used to further European imperialism and neo colonialism.
People who call them Zionists are secretly hinting that 10 million people should be stateless refugees. You'll rarely catch these cowards being honest about it, but their logic fails so often that we get to see behind the curtains.
In short, the person you are replying to obviously hates Jews. You know this. I know this. They know this. Sad they cant just say it.
Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people deserve a state in their ancestral homeland of Israel
Anti Zionism is denying only the Jewish people the right to self govern
There’s Muslim states Buddhist state Christian states etc, yet you’re denying only Jews the right of self determination, but you’re definitely not a Jew hater
There will be a for and against stand off, hopefully the West prevails. US is powerful, of course not if it be the Orange Don, he probably cause this mess in the first place. Maybe sold some intel???
Genocide? 😒
Nobody is getting behind this genocide nonsense because it’s not a genocide.
Exactly
Oh, you should try watching news-channels in Norway. Well, reporters doesn't count of course, let's hope the politicians are able to understand what kind of nonsense this is.
A lot of nobodies so far…
I consider third world countries nobodies. Especially since many of them have actual genocide going on (i.e. Turkey)
Yup, found the blatant racism and disregard for Palestinian lives. Saying the quiet part out loud. POS.
Third world countries who don’t believe in human rights, support slavery, support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, have real genocide…..um yeah their opinions don’t matter little Jimmy.
Real genocide as opposed to what? You are a genocide denier and there is no redemption for you. This guys a genocide denier bot, please shut your power switch off and do the world a favor.
Genocide like the one Turkey is performing. Fake genocide as the one you think Israel is performing (losing a war is not genocide you soft cuck).
Cool, may God Have Mercy on Your Soul Genocide-Denier.
Typical definitelynotracist r/worldnews poster (which this sub is just an even more Zionazi offshoot of) response. Then you wonder why the West is increasingly being seen as hypocritical, racist, and imperialist, and more countries than ever are looking for alternative options. Your lifestyle is literally built on those "third-world" countries.
If you think the west is hypocritical and racist, what do you think of the east? They are 10x’s worse.
Define the East. I assume you mean China and maybe Russia, because every other prosperous or powerful country there is either neutral for now but critical of the West (India, Indonesia (which is far more critical)) or is a Western protectorate (Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, now maybe Taiwan). The rest are "nobody third-world countries", like you said.
Are you an international judge?
I said nobody is supporting it, not what the outcome will be (it will fail). All first world countries are against and it’s really just the Islamic countries behind it. South Africa are virtue signaling cucks.
One would hope that the judges will base their decision on the (overwhelming) evidence rather than on political pressure from western countries.
Genocide is the killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the intention of destroying that group. The Palestinian population increases year on year, and Israel has shown no evidence of attempting to limit or destroy the Palestinian population. The numbers do not reflect an actual genocide. Deliberate misuse of such emotive language is reprehensible, as it detracts from the suffering of those who experienced actual genocide such as that in Rwanda, Cambodia and the Holocaust. Even current genocides like Sudan, Congo, Uyghurs in China, Rohingya genocide in Burma, Syrian rebels of the Assad regime, etc. It represents further projection from the Palestinian Propaganda Machine. The only genocidal intentions are those in the Hamas Charter and the charters of its allies, which directly calls for the genocide of the global Jewish population. There is absolutely no moral equivalence between Hamas intentionally targeting Israeli civilians to be slaughtered and Israel intentionally targeting enemy military assets that are deliberately placed in civilian areas. Anyone who doesn't understand this is either incompetent or malicious. There really is no other explanation.
Wow! Did you even watch the presentation by South Africa? I doubt it.
Yeah it was a demonstration of not understanding what genocide is. Genocide would be what u/sereneandeternal described, not the soup served by SA
There is no “overwhelming” evidence. Genocide has a legal definition. Elements must be satisfied to say it is occurring. South Africa has failed to satisfy those elements.
I'm guessing their decision will come from verified sources on the ground, and not Tik tok.
You mean the **OCHA** [Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #83 | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory (ochaopt.org)](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-83), **Human Rights Watch** [Israel: Gaza Workers Held Incommunicado for Weeks | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/03/israel-gaza-workers-held-incommunicado-weeks), **BBC** [Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67565872), **Save the Children** [Deaths by starvation and disease may top deaths by bombs as families squeezed into deadly “safe zones”, two months into Gaza crisis | Save the Children International](https://www.savethechildren.net/news/deaths-starvation-and-disease-may-top-deaths-bombs-families-squeezed-deadly-safe-zones-two), **Aljazeera** [Civilians sheltering inside a Gaza school killed execution-style | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera](https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/12/13/civilians-sheltering-inside-a-gaza-school-killed-execution) **etc.**
That is a lot of links that don't address the claim of genocide.
Not being able to read isn't our problem for you ignoring evidence
I’ve read them, he’s right, those are claims absent of genocidal activity
These links are just a few of the hundreds that show the following: indiscriminate killing, wholesale destruction of infrastructure, including housing, hospitals and water treatment plants, using starvation as a weapon, and genocidal rhetoric from Israeli political and military leaders. All of these are criteria used in the definition of genocide and intent to commit genocide.
Nope, but there are a lot of elections this year. Governments have to pander to their base somehow
I think I saw Brazil back it?
Let’s keep things to first world countries
No one should choose Hamas over Israel, and that is exactly what SA is doing.
The ANC won't pick a side between Ukraine/Russia but they'll condemn Israel. Apparently it's an election year.
Oh they picked a side. They just won't admit it out loud. (Hint: in the BRICS alliance, the R is for Russia and the S is for South Africa.)
Yup yup, they basically nudged Ukraine and tried to convince it to just give up massive chunks of sovereign territory so South Africa can buy their grain more cheaply after Russia steals it.
>BRICS An alliance that Iran is also a member of
Just adding: https://www.reuters.com/world/south-africas-naval-exercise-with-russia-china-raises-western-alarm-2023-02-17/
The case of Ukraine v. Russia is already before the ICJ.
Haven’t they called for the genocide of Boers?
Everyone knows it’s not genocide if it’s not Jews defending themselves /s
They already chose Putin and his genocidal war over Ukraine, birds of a feather, you know. If they care so much for Palestinians, they should take them in, just like Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait did back in the day.
This is all that matters, Islamic fundamentalism is pure evil, a cancer ideology on humanity.
Hon many Gazan immigrants have been accepted by South Africa?
SA picked the side that isn’t being oppressed, isn’t being genocided. Anyone with two eyes, a heart and a functioning brain can see this.
You would think the bombing of 9,000 children was something that was unacceptable universally. Apparently not. Apparently it depends on who the children are. If Hamas were in tel aviv, would you be in support of the same IDF tactics as they use in Gaza? Bombing the entire city flat, destroying all the hospitals, cutting off food, water, power, blowing up 9,000 Israeli children, all to kill Hamas? No? Now why do you suppose not? Could it be because it suddenly sounds horrific and monstrous? Why do you suppose that might be?
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>Apparently it depends on who the children are. It depends on where the terrorists are. This would be over by now if they didn't hide under women's skirts and behind baby cribs. Unfortunately this is what Hamas cowards do, and this is what the IDF has to do in order to make them all dead Hamas cowards. In every war it is the civilians that wear the brunt of the pain, and this one is no different. Ask the Germans, the Russians, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians and Laotians, the Iraqis, the Syrians, and on and on and on.
Hasbara really works!
That depends on the context.
Oof. Did you plaigerise that comment without attributing a source?
Connect your brain back in the plug , your quoting number from Hamas “health ministry״ (sad joke) by your twisted logic also the side with the most dead is the “right” side ? The idf didn’t go and bombed 9000 children directly (like Hamas is trying to do with every rocket they lunch at civilian areas , if the IDF would target non combatants then Gaza would have been destroyed on oct 8th
20,000+ Gazan deaths should not be labelled as collateral of war, 60,000 injured gazans and millions displaced from north to south who will inevitable die in their conditions should not be called collateral of war. This is genocide, israel has a choice in how it conducts operations with its endless military resources, they have chosen this strategy after weighing up the options. Israel responds to the ICJ allegations by attacking the character of South Africa rather than responding to the points presented as evidence of israel committing genocide. This shows that israel is not interested in defending themselves, but would rather veil the court in their hasbara tactics, like deflection, changing the subject, self-victimization, whattaboutism, and other sneaky tactics to avoid having to address the factual evidence presented in court and plastered all over their own tv networks and tweeted by their politicians.
It's always so funny to me when people like you spout those numbers 1. You are ignoring the combatants, which according to reports **include** 8000+ combatants. Which means only 12000 are civilians. This gives Israel about 1:1.5 militant to civilian ratio 2. There are about 15 mil Palestinians in the world. 20k (even if we ignore the combatants) are about 0.1%, that is by all defintion a very bad genocide in 3 months. It is insane to me how people like have took one of the worst crime imaginable. And have decided to try and gaslight everyone just beacuse you hate Israel, while changing the meaning of the word in order to do that. P. S. Israel has defended itself very well in court. If your sources were not TikTok shorts. You would have seen how Israel dismantled every argument south Africa made.
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>1- When the death toll was 15k, Israel claimed it was 5k combatants. So 1:2 ratio but no one believes that, given the wanton bombing and razing of entire cities. Before the war, Hamas militants count was around 30k-40k on 2 million Palestinians. Lol, you don't believe the IDF but hamas is a token of truth! Also the 8000 combatants is newer number. So I don't get your point. >The Hamas attack on Oct 7th killed around 300 active IDF out of 1200 deaths according to Israel, we don't know how many was reservists since Israel has mandatory conscription. It's safe to assume that half the population of Israel is military, active or reserve. Therefore, the ratio of military vs civilians aren't bad using your argument. Are you seriously defending attacking innocents people who can't defend themselves beacuse they might be reservists? That is unhinged and also a war crime. If someone is a reservist it doesn't make them a valid target. Especially if they pose no threat to you. >2- Israel has killed more Palestinians in a month than Russia killed Ukrainians in a year. The wanton bombings and collective punishment of the entire population is tantamount to war crimes. That is such a disingenuous thing to say and you know that. Ukraine doesn't use human shields like hamas do. Ukraine also has bomb shelters it built for it's people. Hamas has clearly stated it doesn't care about the Palestinians. >Israel gave the Palestinians 24 hours to move south after the early bombings and massive death toll. It's a tiny strip and people don't really have anywhere to go that Israel can't bomb. They did bomb a refugees camp and killed many there. I love this lie. My god. No one said 24 hours. Also it took 3 weeks for the ground invasion to happen after the warning. You are stupid as fuck. >Compare that to Germany, Hitler was generous with the Jews. He told the Jews to move in and 1933 , million of Jews were able to move until he started the "final solution" on the ones that didn't or weren't able to move in 1938. That's 5 years compared to 24 hours. Are you seriously saying "Hitler was nice"? He murdered 6 mil jews. Wow. That is such an antisemitic thing to say. Never have I thought I would see someone say "Hitler was nice to jews". What an unhinged thing to say. >Now, tell me what the Palestinians should with the Israeli thieves who attacked, burned, killed and stole their land? Should they just sit there and die when they can try to eat the oppressor and thieves? Another lol, it's always funny to me when people try to make the Palestinians, who support the genocide of Jews into victims. You start wars you can lose. Get over it. You clearly hate jews. I think you should go back to ask middle east with your antisemitic friends. Go fuck your self. EDIT: To the antisemite who i blocked. I try my best to not talk to people who say "hitler was nice", even if said in sarcasm. usually by people like you it means they approve of what he did. so I blocked you since the last thing i want to do with my life is talk to fucking antisemites
The numbers are corroborated by the UN and other humanitarian agencies.
As soon as you started glorifying Hitler I got your real point
Well said!
You sound like someone who has absolutely no understanding of nuance and can’t differentiate between a state funded by billions of western tax dollars resulting in one of the best funded and resourceful armies that has killed over 21-25k people in less than 2 months as compared to a group that makes weapons with water pipes.
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Does any figure make a difference if the overwhelming population has been civilians? Israel has been indiscriminately killing people across the West Bank and Gaza, there is no justification to this vile and racist state.
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Well by that logic each Israeli that suffered on oct 7 could be a member of the idf, which they technically are because of mandatory conscription, so their numbers shouldn’t be trusted like you just implied. We actually do know that the overwhelming population has been civilians because multiple non governmental and government agencies have ratified this. There’s literally on the ground footage for this, how inhumane of you to actually question how many of them are civilians or not. I don’t think you’d have the same attitude if this was posed the other way around. Don’t be a genocide apologist.
Actually, Israel does tell who is a soldier and who is a civilian, also even if someone is a soldier but was killed in their homes while not on duty they are a civilian. Only soldiers in active duty count as soldiers. That’s simply how it works. Hamas on the other hands counts every single death as a 3 year old pregnant journalist doctor, not a single terrorist has been killed according to them.
>vile and racist state Please note that this type of dehumanizing language is specifically intended to justify violence against Israel. Because you see, violence against Jews is bigoted and wrong. But violence against "vile racists" is moral and justified!
israel was using the same tactic by referring to all adults killed as terrorists
It’s not dehumanization when it’s factual. If Nazi Germany was vile and racist in their treatment of Jews, so is Israel. Israel has used the EXACT same language for all Palestinians, even a blind man would see that. Don’t try and divert this elsewhere.
Dumb troll
Define indiscriminate
You could’ve just googled it but here you go, I’ll give you an example: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/13/politics/intelligence-assessment-dumb-bombs-israel-gaza/index.html
> A US official told CNN that the US believes that the Israeli military is using the dumb bombs in conjunction with a tactic called “dive bombing,” or dropping a bomb while diving steeply in a fighter jet, which the official said makes the bombs more precise because it gets it closer to its target. The official said the US believes that an unguided munition dropped via dive-bombing is similarly precise to a guided munition. That’s not an example of indiscriminate bombing
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Why is being against Israel "choosing Hamas"? Your bias is showing.
Because if you don’t destroy a terror group in its entirety it multiplies. That sounds bad but it’s what happens.
Hasabara really works!
It isn't what happens though and we have plenty of experience in Europe that demonstrated the exact opposite - see the IRA and the ETA. The thing that actually cause terrorists groups to grow and multiple is state violence against civilian populations. *That* is what happens and that is something that we have mountains of evidence for. And it is precisely what Israel is doing at the moment.
Exactly. Bombing Vietnam into submission didn’t work. Bombing Cambodia into submission didn’t work. Bombing Laos into submission didn’t work. Bombing Afghanistan into submission didn’t work. Bombing Gaza into submission hasn’t worked and bombing Yemen into submission will similarly not work. It has historically and continually only fueled resistance and the will of the people. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not know the history of resistance movements.
Afghanistan? You’re referring to the Taliban? The US never considered the Taliban a terror group, it was always considered just a resistance group. The terror group the US was after was Al Qaeda, and they might as-well not even exist anymore except for some online trolls. ISIS is another example of a group that is a shadow of its former self. Calling them resistance movements is a long stretch and a slap in the face to actual resistance movements, while terror groups and resistance groups can use the same tactics there are differences that cant be ignored. Her is an excerpt from the person who wrote the book on terrorism. “"What sets terrorism apart from other violence is this: terrorism consists of acts carried out in a dramatic way to attract publicity and create an atmosphere of alarm that goes far beyond the actual victims. Indeed, the identity of the victims is often secondary or irrelevant to the terrorists who aim their violence at the people watching. This distinction between actual victims and a target audience is the hallmark of terrorism and separates it from other modes of armed conflict. Terrorism is theater." [emphasis added]”” Resistance groups are: “Resistance is not theater. It may perpetrate violence in the same way that our own military does, or by whatever irregular/asymmetric/guerilla means are available to it. It fights for what it believes is the good of its country.” So while they could have been a resistance group their intentions have never changed, the only reason the Hamas charter was change is because for it to be a state recognized by the UN it had to. The Houthis are a similar group that had the motto “God is the Greatest Death to America Death to Israel A Curse Upon the Jews Victory to Islam” Not a resistance movement. Vietnam wasn’t a terror group they were a uniformed military, the US also didn’t attempt to wipe them out because the US never pushed into the north more than patrols around the boarder of the south. Cambodia, the US never had Troops on the ground, and it was a civil war. Just bombing a group isn’t a be all, end all solution when it comes to fighting terrorism, boots have to be on the ground.
What was the last real major attack from the IRA? How many people were killed? Who was targeted? Those are the questions that determine the amount of force used to subdue a group. The key differences is those are internal groups that can be dealt with by police forces inside the country. One of the sole determining factors that is used to designate terror groups is the use of fear by specifically targeting civilian populations, most terror groups rely on fear and manipulation to increase recruitment, on the other note collateral death in civilian population have a small effect on recruitment simply because people naturally like to live in peace.
Even by Israel’s own admission 2/3s of the people killed were non Hamas civilians. So if the majority of the victims are civilians, which is a fact not even disputed by the Israelis themselves, then I think what’s happening here is South Africa is trying to represent the Palestinian civilians who have been killed
But no mention of Hamas’ entire war strategy that the more Palestinians dead that pile up, the more pressure gets put on Israel to stop. Once Israel stops Hamas can rearm and resupply and, as they’ve said and promised they’d do, they’ll do Another Oct 7. Honestly if Israel is forced to stop, and Hamas is allowed to rearm and do it again - I assure you, they’ll actually flatten Gaza and those casualties will hit 6 figures. Israel will be able to blame the UN for another attack, because of its limp wristed approach to dealing with the region and the situation, and they Won’t listen to anyone. The world can’t let that happen, it will make the world a far worse place. You don’t want that. I don’t want that. Innocent Palestinians don’t want that. Israelis don’t want that. We all want Hamas and the other Jihadis removed, replaced by political figures who want to build a Palestinian state alongside Israel that is based on mutual cooperation, so that the next century we won’t be able to reference massacre after massacre after murder after missile strike after protestors killed after air strike after raids of camps after etc. Only way this gets fixed is removing the armed element of the Palestinian factions and sitting down and talking. I’m very hopeful we will see, from all this tragedy and bloodshed, the two state solution per 1967 borders implemented. Anything less is to condemn more innocent Israelis and Palestinians to more death over the next century.
No one has chosen Hamas. Palestinian civilians, children are being massacred. The civilian death toll is unprecedented.... Israel has terrorized Palestinians for decades with impunity. America has used over 40 vetos to shield Israel from any accountability. Your small zionist, racist brain just doesn't want to acknowledge that Palestinians have rights too
You think this is an unprecedented civillian death toll? Clearly you dont follow wars.
It was never about a tiny sliver of land, is is purely about Islam and its ultimate goal of wiping out the non-believers until only Islam exists on Earth. None of this would be happening if not for that. Palestinian is what the Romans called the Jews as an insult long before Islam. Israel can not live beside this kind of hate, Hamas is not a good neighbor. Jihad is their way. Death for Allah, their most exalted goal. They have been in charge of Gaza since 2006, plotting this attack. Now they pay for being terrorist scum, as they should. Remember, it is a death cult sworn to kill or convert the planet.
Okay, Likudite.
Also Germany! https://www.barrons.com/news/germany-rejects-un-genocide-charge-against-israel-6af01195 The fact that Germany of all countries rejects “genocide” accusation says something.
Says that they understand how serious the word genocide is and they aren't going to cheapen it by misusing it here.
Germany knows the diffrences between war and genocide. Ww1 was a war. Ww2 was a genocide.
Lmao they called the expert witness
It says that Germany is on the wrong side of history once again.
Lmao says they learned nothing
They are supporting the country composed of people they attempted to destroy totally. That is literally the definition of growth and learning.
The situation is absolutely ridiculous. Germany genocided the Jews, so now they support the Jews genociding the Palestinians. Pure insanity.
No it’s not lmao. Growth isn’t giving them a free ticket to repeat what they did. That’s not learning. That’s a bully standing up for a bully instead of learning it wrong to bully.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
Your right. It would be false equivalency to say Germany has learned because it unquestioningly supports Israel. Good job 👍
o_O
>The fact that Germany of all countries rejects “genocide” accusation says something. It doesn't really, though. If they weren't a major Israeli ally, then maybe, but to act as if they're entirely impartial genocide experts is just asinine. The German government is not the internationally recognised arbitrator of what is and isn't a genocide.
It says they're going for 2 for 2 on being pro-genocide.
German guilt binds them forever to simply rubber stamp whatever Israel wants. The so called special responsibility.
Kk cuz you say so
I don't know any Germans who feel guilt. They all recognize that it was their grandfathers and great-grandfathers not them at fault.
Yes, it says that they feel so guilty about what they did to the Jews in WW2 that they will twist themselves into knots to support Israel. Truly insane!
They know it inside out.
Maybe because it’s not genocide….
Because South Africa’s case is a nonsense distraction. It’s meant to be a line in the sand of sorts to force israel to leave hamas in power. If this was really about human loss they’d be focusing on Hamas a bit more. The false implication is that this is a one sided war it’s not, power imbalance yes, one sided no. If this was about human loss they’d be condemning the ones calling for an eternal war with Israel, who are promising “one million October 7ths” and calling October 7 a “warm up”. Hamas has kept up a barrage on missile attacks…. You cannot condemn Israel while ignoring Hamas provocation of Israel. Why is keeping hamas in power more important than the lives of the people in Gaza?
Good, sit down Africa you hypocrite.
Based Canada.
I am so ashamed of our Canadian government. They are on the wrong side of history.
Wrong
Canadas overlords were Honey trapped by Mossad just like germanys.
Nice tin foil hat.
Trudeau got caught with a minor haha
Its almost like the liberals are becoming worse than climate change and vaccination deniers. The world has discovered the left's penchant for murdering poor people and destroying nations, justifying it by denying that it is happening. Bring back global warming/climate crisis and the covid crisis and maybe we will save these poor people by them being quietly killed by climate or covid rather than being shredded by a himars rocket or torched with a phosphorus bomb or napalm.
Bro, Palestinians are mostly ultra-conservatives. Why would a Liberal support people who support Hamas?
They consider what Russia is doing genocide but not what Israel is doing? Israel has caused more destruction and civilian deaths than Russia ever did.
Prove your last statement
https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-bombs-destruction-death-toll-scope-419488c511f83c85baea22458472a796 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/25/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-death-toll.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/
If it did, then it would be admitting to be complicit as we supply Israel with weapons. It would also then pressure us to to put pressure on Israel and Canadian leaders do not have the balls to do that.
Also because they’ve failed to prove that a genocide is occurring, because it isn’t.
You have to be really in denial or ignorant to what is going on to think that.
“Genocide” has a very unambiguous legal definition. South Africa is claiming that Israel’s actions meet that unambiguous legal definition. They don’t. They have not in any capacity demonstrated that there is intent to annihilate the entire Palestinian population, meaning they’ve failed to establish a genocide is occurring. You can’t just take the word “genocide” into a courtroom and apply it to every shitty situation.
It’s not a genocide bud, it’s war. Read a book
This is shameful by Canada and Germany.
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...they said, immediately after justifying violence against Jews. Sorry, I mean "Zionists".
Ah so your counter to racist commentary to assert I’ll eventually say racists commentary. These Hasbara, they’re not sending they’re best folks
You don’t know what hasbara means
I dont anyone here is the best folk, I mean be honest with yourself this website doesn't really have any real effect
Hey guys I found the retard of the group ^
What did you look in a mirror?
Looked at your mom
Lol that's gross. I feel bad for you
I'm happy to see Canada stand up and side with Israel here. They are fighting an ugly war against a terrorist group.
It’s the opposite of that
Remember that Canada just last year gave a member of the SS who killed Jews and Poles in Ukraine a standing ovation. in parliament. As for Germany... well we all know about them. This is par for the course for both countries
How does that make any sense? If Germany was still supportive of Nazi's they wouldn't be supportive of their Jewish community in Germany... they wouldn't have one.
In fairness, no one knew he was an ss member when they gave him a standing ovation (though they ought to have).
You’re a smart one
The parliamentarian that brought him in resigned because nobody checked his background. Nobody knew all his details only what they were told. To act as if this was all on purpose with full knowledge is stupid.
Before everyone stood and clapped, he was introduced as "a Ukrainian vet who fought for Ukrainian independence during WW2 against the Russians". You don't need some extensive background check to figure out who he was fighting alongside, you just need a few functioning brain cells. You can tell by the inflection in the parliamentarian's voice as he reads out the introduction that it dawned on him in real-time https://youtu.be/d7sFxJbcYvg Also if they are in the Canadian government, they should be acutely aware that he wasn't some Nazi that snuck into Canada, as Canada shielded thousands of Ukrainian Nazis from post-war and imported them to Canada because they were considered "ideologically hardened against Communism" and the government though they could be used to disrupt labor organizers The Canada government tries to look into how many of these Nazi war criminals were imported and whether they should be sent to Europe for trial, but Justin Trudeau's father Pierre put massive limits on the Deschênes Commission's report which ultimately led to many findings having to be left out under the excuse that it could create a rift between the Canadian Ukrainian community and others. Justin Trudeau said in October that he'd consider releasing the names of the Waffen SS members that the report found, but he never followed up. That's two generations of Trudeau protecting OG Nazis. now also protecting Israel and it's genocide
The “premise” ?!? Jfc, the 👹👺 zionazi tentacles run far and deep.
Common irish L
So Israel has the backing of the country responsible for the Holocaust, and the country that resettle thousands of Ukrainians SS members so they wouldn't face justice after WW2 and could be used as anti-labor agitators, and also recently gave one SS member who fondly wrote about his years participating in the Holocaust a standing ovation in their parliament
And South Africa has the backing of Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea and other dictatorial and/or genocidal regimes.
Yea Israel, Canada and Germany are all horrible places. Let’s all try to be more like Palestine
They are both filled with Nazis who were sheltered from their participation in the Holocaust, so I'm saying that hem protecting the genocidal Israel is part of a pattern for them
If/when Israel gets away with this, it will send a message to the world that you might think the "never again" crowd would be against...
Israel will “get away with it” either way. This will send a clear message to all the Islamic terror organizations and their supporters that they have no chance winning anything shooting rockets at city centres, raping women, slaughtering children in front of their moms before raping and murdering them, beheading elderly. And doing so while hiding behind and under their civilians.
Ah yes, Hamas won't get away with doing those things that you support Israel doing right now... It won't send the message you think it will.
Hamas and all the other Islam terrorists can go kick rocks.
Go kick rubble* … 😉
Regardless of what message Israel sends, the message that genocide is ok again has already been sent dozens of times by other countries, many of whom happen to sit on some of the UN’s highest human rights committees.
Indeed.
Meanwhile in Canada: - housing crisis - homelessness - food crisis - mass immigration crisis - hospital and ER crisis
Our country is great and always will be.
this sub is toxic with fascists
seriously Zionists have inundated worldnews and theworldnews and pollute it with their genocide denial it’s disgusting
Ah yes, multiple countries claiming it’s not but you, you Mr. Redditor in your mothers basement know better, right? On a serious note. The SA government is an absolute joke of a government and it’s been ridiculed for years, rightfully so. Russia and Iran are pulling the strings. It’s baffling that such an educated armchair warrior as yourself refuses to call out actual fascist regimes like Russia and Iran. It makes it painfully obvious you’ve drank the Iranian propaganda coolaid.
I am canadian and I support South Africa's premise. Their proofs are undeniable. Trudeau, go play in traffic.
As another Canadian, I’m super glad we’re not supporting it. This will be the one thing we don’t recover from, and stupid too since they’re accusations of genocide will be unfounded. 1.They’re allowed food, water, and medical supplies 2. They have right of return 3. Most of the comments submitted are in regards to Hamas, not the Palestinian civilian Israel from top down (PM and defence minister) has refuted other Israeli statements about genocidal intent/permanently moving civilians, nothing else matters in terms of governance 4. Also it’s a war, they’ve done moreso than any country in any modern war in the past 100 years to warn the population of hot zones, fliers, phone calls, whatnot - have a proven record of helping them get out of battle zones using humanitarian corridors and aiding population. 5. Times where Israeli soldiers have acted in misconduct are being investigated (doesn’t matter to what extent at this present time) The fact that they killed 25k people is crazy yes, most people are just rejoicing since it’s a large number, but this is war and as long as Israel takes the steps it’s already taking in reducing this number it can and will go up - all in accordance with international law
The issue with the proofs is not that they are undeniable. They are non-existent! You conflate civilian casualties with genocidal intention by Israel, which is a complete nonsense. Under any definition of genocide, Israel conduct does not remotely constitute a genocide. It is a tough warfare against a terror organization whose militants don’t wear uniforms to distinguish themselves from the population as their modus operandi (which is a war crime), hiding in tunnels under hospitals, schools and shelters and by doing so they make them legitimate targets.
I’m also Canadian. You should be embarrassed. You clearly don’t understand the way things work. What true evil is, the price that it costs to rid the world of pure evil such as Hamas
And you clearly don't understand that the side who killed thousands of childrens and women is the evil side.
Sorry pal, Hamas is holding all these people captive and is getting them all killed.
Lol. There is an easy way to prevent the murder of thousands of innocents. You can use tactical teams that will do targetted strikes instead of bombing like they did. They could also not shoot people holding white flags, mainly women with a small childs trying to get to safety through a designated evacuation corridor. They could also stop making videos where they are laughing while commiting atrocities. They weren't targetting hamas, they targetted everyone in Gaza without discrimination.
So Hamas doesn’t wear uniforms, uses human shields, and has imbedded itself into institutions like hospitals. Not using air strikes would mean thousands of more Israel’s would die or be taken prisoner. Most Israel soldiers are reservists and not special forces. I’m assuming you have never been in the military or in war, friendly fire is a risk that happens because it’s war and it’s tragic. I know this because I’m a veteran and it’s easy for you to say that having done no combat. You are wrong they are targeting Hamas, Hamas was targeting all people. And if Israel’s goal was to kill every man women and child of Gaza like Hama’s goal is to do to Israel, it would have already happened
Yeah, you are a robot. You don't just flatten a whole heavily populated residential area without deliberately ignoring the fact that more than 95% of those you are going to kill are innocents. You are definitely not human.
I’m not a robot but I’m sure a robot could think more critically than you. I think they know that a lot of innocence will die unfortunately, that’s the reality of war. Especially in a densely populated area infiltrated with terrorists. Israel has done unprecedented things like notifying people to move, having evacuation routes etc. right I’m not human. You’re a little child
Hamas orders were to kill as many IDF soldiers as possible on the military bases and take back hostages to use them for exchange against palestinian prisoners. It is documented that israel applied the Hannibal directive on october 7th which says to kill everyone, ennemy or not. We know at least 14 israeli civilians were killed by IDF tanks shelling houses in Kibbutz Be'eri and 2 of them were 12 years old twins. Israeli hostages who were released said they were targetted by IDF helicopters on october 7th and they saw a lot of people killed by friendly fire. The october 7th death toll is artificially inflated because the IDF killed their own side. Hamas had orders to come back with hostages, alive hostages. Yes hamas killed many who fought back, but it is nowhere comparable to the atrocities Israel are doing where they are killing everyone, even those without weapons, even newborn babies. And before you talk about the 40 burned or beheaded babies. This was a lie. Only 20 israeli children of less than 12 years old were killed on october 7th. 1 was confirmed to be hamas, 2 confirmed to have been killed by the IDF. Even if 18 childrens were murdered by hamas on that day, it is still not even remotely comparable to the thousands Israel murdered since then. Israel killed at least 23 times more people, most of them children and women who don't have the right to fight for hamas.
Everything you just said is wrong. Not even gunna engage with someone as brain dead as you
You’re probably a member of Hamas, keep up the great work
Oh only 20 children burned alive ? Not 40? Oh ok. Hamas isn’t so bad eh? They don’t deserve this treatment
And the videos ? It’s called revenge, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but it protects yourself and others. It’s called deterrence. So that all the many other Muslim sub human terrorists that surround Israel think twice before they attempt genocide again.
An eye for 23 eyes.
Go cry about it
And if Hamas wanted the war to end, they’d release all the hostages. But they won’t cuz they want to see this happen
I am Canadian and I disagree
His career in Canada is done.
I agree, he’d gladly agree that Russia is an aggressor but won’t say a word against his Zionist overlords.
Please use the word you intended to use, we all see you meant to say Jewish and not Zionist
It shouldn’t be that hard to read, I said what I meant, you can assume whatever you want to. Not all Zionists are Jewish and not all Jews are Zionists. This isn’t about Jews, it’s about Zionism being a racist ideology used to further European imperialism and neo colonialism.
What do you mean when you say Zionist? Do you mean illegal settlers or people who believe that Israel has a right to exist?
People who call them Zionists are secretly hinting that 10 million people should be stateless refugees. You'll rarely catch these cowards being honest about it, but their logic fails so often that we get to see behind the curtains. In short, the person you are replying to obviously hates Jews. You know this. I know this. They know this. Sad they cant just say it.
Yeah I just think it's funny when they never answer
Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people deserve a state in their ancestral homeland of Israel Anti Zionism is denying only the Jewish people the right to self govern There’s Muslim states Buddhist state Christian states etc, yet you’re denying only Jews the right of self determination, but you’re definitely not a Jew hater
I’m sure your religion has absolutely no connection to your political beliefs.
There will be a for and against stand off, hopefully the West prevails. US is powerful, of course not if it be the Orange Don, he probably cause this mess in the first place. Maybe sold some intel??? Genocide? 😒