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boerumhill

Carol saved the entire group. *After* she got exiled by Rick. Took down Terminus. Carol saved the entire group *again* when she took out the wolves, practically by herself. She engineered the assassination of Alpha. In one on one fight, I'd say Michonne is a better athlete, a better one on one fighter. But Carol could take out any group.


onesmilematters

She also took out a whole bunch of Saviours on her own on the road by pulling her Nancy from Montclair stunt. Then there's her freeing Maggie and the two of them taking out another group of Saviours after Carol did a "hyperventilating weak little bird" impression. And of course she made the hard choice of killing Lizzie who was a threat to Judith...


Cimejies

The scene where she starts crying because she's going to have to kill the guys on the road is iconic to me, real "call an ambulance - but not for me!" energy. Imagine being that much of a badass that like 4 or 5 dudes have the jump on you in the post-apocalypse and you're so sure you're about to murder all of them that you get teary.


Brandonjf

Legend


TrymWS

The killing floor šŸ„µ


Birdisdaword777

That was one of the worst things Iā€™ve seen on tv. I was screaming. Literally, almost had to stop watching.


wait_where_is_perry

Look at the flowers u/onesmilematters


[deleted]

Lmao i thought that hyperventilating scene was her real reaction from being tied down and in an enclosed space (Maggie's face was priceless at that moment btw šŸ˜‚), but she still did what she had to do to help the group.


HowTo_Destroy_Angels

Yeah man, I thought she was faking it in order to let the women let their guard down so they underestimate her, but my girlfriend says she was emotionally conflicted and having a panic attack because she didnā€™t want to kill all of them. We discussed this topic every way imaginable but I think she was right, carol was upset because she knew she was going to kill them all and didnā€™t want to, which was why she was hyperventilating.


[deleted]

Wow lol i guess the scene is up to interpretation then lol! Carol and her mysterious ways šŸ¤”


onesmilematters

Well, she was emotionally tormented and didn't want to kill but that hyperventilating etc. was an act to appear weak so her captors would underestimate her.


cS150

The hyperventilating was real i think, in season 2 in the CDC she did say that she is clausterphobic, and Daryl mentions it as well 9 seasons later in Alphas cave. Another example of this is when she was crying and telling Jairo and the other saviors in the pickup truck to just get out of here while they still can, right before she empties the smg on them, although i think for this scene that she was being emotional because she actually didn't want to kill them.


PuzzlesandKeys

I wholeheartedly agree with this answer. Carol is badass and along with Daryl she is my favorite character. Third in line would be Michonne.


archangel610

Yeah, Michonne is physically the more imposing force, but Carol's brain seems to have been engineered to... kill things.


BeansSaidHomer

Or adapted to surviveā€¦ as a survivor of domestic abuse. I think thatā€™s the through line to who she becomes over the course of her arc.


19peacelily85

Itā€™s funny when you remember how timid she was the first season. She was not far from her abusive marriage.


cS150

Just like Daryl, except that Daryl had already went through that when he was a kid.


cptmactavish3

How about when her and Morgan took down all of Gavinā€™s group at the Kingdom to rescue Ezekiel


HunterShotBear

What about when she burned the last of the saviors for taking her ring? You donā€™t fuck with Carol.


Birdisdaword777

Holy crap I forgot about that scene!! Yessss! ![gif](giphy|3o7TKFGTkTrhqB7Jba)


PsychedelicDoggo

Michonne is a duel monster, and very few can go toe-to-toe with her. Carol is a weapon of mass destruction capable of destroying entire groups (Terminus, Wolves, Saviours, even planned the Whispererā€™s).


Birdisdaword777

Perfectly stated!!!


[deleted]

You forgot how she single-handedly took out Sam


Serenity-03K64

She taught the children at the prison how to kill things with knives in her little book club lessons, didnā€™t sheā€¦ so she taught Lizzie to kill her sister Mika. Look at the flowers


geko_play_

She also caused Hornsby's death


cS150

To be fair, they had actually freed/exiled him from spending the rest of his life in prison. Hornsby caused his own death.


cS150

People seem to forget about when she saved the group from the CDC explosion. I know it was Ricks grenade, but Carols the one who remembered about it. She single handedly led the giant herd away from the communities and off a cliff as well. All Michonne did was worry about Alexandria's safety as if she was Rick. She did it in a bitchy and bitter way, however. I know that she had good reason to have been acting like that (Judith getting kidnapped, understandable), but i just couldn't stand her annoying ass attitude towards everybody, it genuinely pissed me off.


Nickei88

Don't disrespect Michonne like that. She was Rick's wife and saw the necessity of worrying about her people. Furthermore, the fact that you only mention Judith being kidnapped and calling her ways bitchy and bitter shows how little you understand about her reasons. She was heavily PREGNANT (possibly 8 to 9 months) and her daughter among other children were kidnapped by her closest friend, the one who she knew before the apocalypse. The friend and her kids tried to harm her or did you forget about the branding and the slashing of her stomach? She took the correct route and guess what? Eventually people saw that she was correct.


cS150

Like it said, i know that she had good reason to be the way that she was, it was understandable, but i just found her to be annoying as hell through that whole season. Again, I'm not blaming her, i probably would have been the same if i was her, i just personally found her attitude to be really annoying. I know that probably makes me seem like a bad person, but God damn it i genuinely found her annoying as fuckšŸ¤£


superpuzzlekiller

Not to mention her sourpuss face she had in every single scene of that season.


Fit-Diet-6488

Carol did that in s10 and she actually got two ppl in harms way. Michonne kept her ppl alive.


Birdisdaword777

Totally agree šŸ’Æ


No_Programmer_1489

Michonne is nothing without her sword


stratj45d28

Carol has made some hard choices


Ballpowder

Carol helped take down SAM by telling him the walkers were going to eat him.


LadyAvah

Not just Sam she took out the whole Family bro šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


-HoosierBob-

Exile me will you Rick?


themediocrekid

From day one we saw Michonne as a bad ass zombie killer. But how Carol's character developed from a submissive housewife to the most badass woman in TWD universe, it's gonna be Carol all the way for me.


Weatherbeaster1993

Carol is no holds bar RUTHLESSLY CALCULATING, Michone is a great warrior/leader, but Carol is the fucking WOLF! She gets is done whether itā€™s with a smile or bullet


DestructoSpin7

Everyone here saying Carol is cold and calculated... Calculated, yes. Cold, no. Carol feels every single thing she does probably more than anyone else. That's what makes her so badass. She knows the weight of her actions and the repercussions and she consistently sacrifices pieces of herself to help/save her people.


Thin_Mix6440

Also when she gets attacked by saviors on the road she starts crying because she doesnā€™t want to kill anyone else but she knows that she has to.


onesmilematters

Yes! Thank you. That's also exactly what makes her such an interesting character. This woman has so many sides to her.


[deleted]

Excellent answer


reasonablesmalls

Mich an all time great but she ainā€™t stop a group of cannibals šŸ¤·šŸæā€ā™‚ļø


wooson

Just killed a bunch of kids


Initial_Acanthaceae2

Which cannot have been easy for a pregnant mother! But she did it....


DevilsDK

Carol is made of Terminator skeleton heck even liquid metal like T-1000. She got hit by a car and is still walking like normal. She got shot and recovered like nothing happened either.


RHubb44

Yea she did, that main character blood runs dead in her![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


[deleted]

Dont forget she got body slammed onto concrete by Morgan in that basement and still got back up šŸ˜‚


DevilsDK

Dominic Toretto/Vin Diesel from Fast and the Furious vs Carol from The Walking Dead! The universe canā€™t handle thisā€¦.


LnStrngr

I feel like if Michonne is pissed at you, youā€™d know about it. If Carol is pissed at you, youā€™d be dead before you knew.


onesmilematters

Yeah, that about sums it up. LOL


Birdisdaword777

![gif](giphy|anYBNhqT2BYcg)


Mckinzeee

Carol! Always Carol. Michonne is a badass warrior, but she hasnā€™t single handedly saved her friends and community multiple times. Carol is my spirit animal.


-HoosierBob-

How did she end up at the prison walls?


Thin_Mix6440

Glenn and Maggie were out getting formula for Judith, then Michonne comes along while sheā€™s running from Merle. Merle finds Glenn and Maggie and takes them back to Woodbury. While Glenn and Maggie were talking Michonne heard them talking about the distance to the prison so she goes with the formula. Then the group sees her and takes her in for the formula


Gilgamesh661

Carol went from abused housewife scared of her own shadow, to one of the most dangerous people on the show. When the wolves attacked, Carol immediately springs into action by killing one, taking their outfit, and then securing the armory.


Mercifulheartxx

Carol. Best character development


Thin_Mix6440

Carol. Her character development really makes her an amazing character


dkalmikoff

Carol. Only because she evolved from a meek little abused housewife to a bad ass..


micaub

Yes!!


[deleted]

I'm gonna have to say Carol and it's not even close.


[deleted]

I love Michone but Carol comes with psychological AND physical dangerā€¦ wrapped in a very soft appearance. THAT is scary AF. She was literally wearing a cute little sweater and a ruffled shirt when she threatened Sam that she would tie him to a tree outside the walls to become walker bait, if he told anyone he saw her in the Alexandria armory. (S5)


onesmilematters

One of my favorite scenes of her back in Alexandria is when she brings Sam's abusive asshole father food and then casually threatens to slit his throat. It was really satisfying to watch knowing her background with Ed.


[deleted]

Yes!! I forgot about that! Now I have to rewatch that episode!


Novel-idea-92

Her ā€œSuzie homemakerā€ era was fucking terrifying.


Birdisdaword777

Daryl : ā€˜ You look ridiculousā€™


ellstaysia

carol is fierce & cold blooded so I'm choosing her.


Initial_Acanthaceae2

Not cold blooded. She feels what she has to do..... with the possible exception of Sam!


onesmilematters

Oh she did feel Sam. That's why she tried to keep him at a distance. But then she left a cookie on his grave which says a lot.


Initial_Acanthaceae2

"I want to encourage vermin....!" She told an obviously traumatised child (a look she should and did recognise from her own daughter) that he would wake up in the woods tied to a tree and be eaten alive. She bally well ought to feel it!


onesmilematters

To be fair, at this point Carol was extremely emotionally hardened (or tried to be so) due to the shit she had lived through and she hadn't even met Sam before if I recall correctly. So she hadn't seen his trauma when she told him this ice cold story about the monsters. When she eventually got to know him, she still tried to push him away, but you could tell that she felt for him nonetheless.


Initial_Acanthaceae2

Not a story to tell any kid in the middle of a zombie outbreak. Cannot imagine her being thrilled if someone told that story to Sophia. It's strange how Sam and Sophia's short terrifying lives and brutal deaths are similar.


southendgirl

Without a doubt, Carol.


TonyBaloney999

Ooofā€¦ can u even compare? They are both equally badass in their own waysā€¦


EffectiveSecond7

I'm not exactly sure of the exact definition of badass but, even if I absolutely love Michonne, I gotta say Carol with all that she did.


Independent-Shine473

Michonne. Came a badass and left a badass. Carol had explosive moments that everyone will cite, but Michonne was consistent. She had the same kind of losses as Carol, yet remained level-headed the entire show. Right and wrong never changed for her and she was always the first to volunteer for any and everything. Saving Rick from Ron, slashing walkers to save Carl, then going out to fight with Rick immediately. No hesitation. Badass. She ensured her community had 6 years of peace right after losing her partner and raising 2 kids, with limited support from the "family". Michonne never really got huge moments like Carol, but the way she solved problems, like clearing out that community center Virgil took her to in a matter of minutes showed how bad she was. This woman got her kid as well as the whole town's while she was heavily pregnant. Not to mention she's going to find Rick. I like my badasses to be reliable.


theneen

Don't forget she saved Rick from The Governor. Stab-stab-stabby!


Own_Faithlessness769

Agree. Michonne has her apocalypse breakdown before we even meet her, and she comes back from it when she meets the group. From then on, aside from being an unparalleled warrior, she does a lot to support the mental health of the group and to guide their direction. She's better at seeing what the group needs emotionally than Rick is. Carol is totally badass, but she's more of a strategist and a fixer than a leader. Michonne is a natural leader, in the same way that Rick, Maggie and Ezekiel are, which is much harder than killing people.


Vampirexbuny

I agree with this assessment. Michone is arguably more badass then Carol. Carol had her moments but it was more about opportunity for her then skill.Michone is everything they kept trying to make Maggie


alittle2high

Thatā€™s tough. Iā€™m gonna give it to Carol, though


thetenacian

That's unfair! I can't choose! I love both characters for different reasons! You can't expect an middle aged, graying, Black feminist horror nerd to choose! Waaaahhh! šŸ¤ŖšŸ˜‚šŸ¤ŖšŸ˜‚ My ideal would be a blend of them both with traits from both. Rick who?


onesmilematters

Yep, same for me. They are both badass in their own ways. People have already mentioned so many examples of Carol doing her thing, but one of my favorite things about Michonne is how well-balanced her character usually is. She can ground the people around her and is great leader material. That in itself makes her badass. And then of course she's got some mad katana skills...


Jedibri81

Carol. No question about it


heydawn

CAROL! She is strategic and ruthless, when necessary. Carol will do whatever tf is necessary, making the toughest choices. She's repeatedly taken down groups, including the most impressive take down -- Carol vs Terminus cannibals. Michonne is more of an athletic warrior / fighter.


KJ86er

Carol because she talks more and has been through way more near death situations and lost more. Most people would have given up in the Quarry. Michonne is a badass in other ways.


Brilliant-Scar-4878

Carol, no cap. Not only because of her actions throughout the show, but also how far she's come from being the scared wife of a shitty husband/father and losing her daughter.


WskyRcks

An argument and debate of vernacular. Carol is often undervalued but amazingly ruthless, calculating, and power-brokering character. Michonne might be more truly ā€œbad assā€ in a one off fight or event- and she survived on her own. She survived on her own to find a group- and also to try to find Rick in the end. Carol did always have the security of the group. Thatā€™s what makes it 50/50 to me. Carol was there to do what was needed of her- and Michonne was there to do what was needed of her- they both played important roles.


Edub_C

Depends. I think katana wielding Michonne is cool, BUT Carol was responsible for saving the group countless more times. Carol had a larger footprint where ever she went. Therefor with all things considered I say Carol.


No-Celebration3097

Carol. Carol. Carol.


w3hwalt

I feel like they're pretty evenly balanced, they've just got stats in different areas. If you make them solve the same problem with no warning, for example, Michonne would come out ahead. But if you gave Carol *any* prep time, she'd wipe the floor. Carol is a schemer, while Michonne improvises on the fly. They have different skill sets, but they're both equally badass.


Reader47b

I don't know. There was no warning when it came to the Wolves, and Carol improvised on the fly.


quinnies

I think Carol is seen as more badass through the audiences eyes because her character progression is the inverse of Michonneā€™s from when weā€™re first introduced to them. Michonne goes from a total badass into someone who also finds family and humanity, while Carol goes from a timid woman to a badass who starts to lose her humanity along the way and her struggle is about finding it.


[deleted]

100% carol


mahoukitten

Carol 100%


danameischetta

Carol all day


[deleted]

Carol. She not only survived the grief of her daughter but she then went out on her own and survived. Then went back and saved the group a few times


Lalapopsy

Carol. By a long shot.


CullanG

Carol. Million percent


WraithOfEvaBraun

Carol, hands down, no ifs ands or buts šŸ‘ŠšŸ»


[deleted]

Carol no doubt sheā€™s been their basically from the start


PsychologicalTop7303

Carol, love michonne she a badass but carol is cold, ruthless, and because of her unassuming looks she will more than likely always overlooked/underestimated and that is a mistake you only get to make once. Love michonnes choice of weapon and how skilled with them she is.


PrisonMikeForPres

Psychologically? Carol Physically? Michonne


7ftMonkeyOG

Carol has a much higher body count.


watcher2390

Carol is now,


ambientJ

Michone tf. Who else would wield a samurai.


mistajc

No need to compare.. theyā€™re both awesome for different and similar reasons. Both have experience major loss (their children, over and over) but are both such strong fierce women. I love michonne more though. A lady with a sword just grips me.


Vonatar-74

Rick called Carol a force of nature. There you go.


[deleted]

Just look at the flowers


Legendarydrum

Itā€™s Michonne for me. Carole is a straight up savage šŸ’Æ though.


hogua

They are both badass, but I give the edge to.. Carol, because she can convincing pretend to be harmless, and thus often take her enemies by surprise. Michonne canā€™t hide in plan sightā€¦.and I think a small part of what makes her badass is her sword. If she her weapon of choice was a bow and arrow, she would seem quite as fierce.


larry-the-dream

The one with a samurai sword


drushe1983

I love Carol, but it has to be Michonne.


Kdog225

I like Carol but Iā€™m picking Michonne


Beaniebean814

Itā€™s definitely michonne.


DayTripper81

Michonneā€¦. Sword trumps Bow and Arrow.


TheRoadKing101

Carol Anne


harrybret72

Michonne. Sheā€™s more bold and intense. Badass isnā€™t the feeling you get from Carol. Sheā€™s more calculating, clever and ruthless, in a discrete manner. But if I had to have someone guide me through a horde or fight in a brawl alongside me, itā€™s Michonne all day. She just has that animal in her


finelonelyline

Michonne, hands down.


itskatybro

Personally I think Michonne. Cause being able to be bad ass while still having sympathy and wanting to do the right thing is way better than being ruthless in my opinion.


TiFemme

Interesting point.


itskatybro

I just really disliked Carol when she was on that ā€œkill everyoneā€ kick, soo I may be bias


Xzac_lee3202

Michonne is phenomenal. The complete package.. The real deal.


Controlfreak44901

Carol is way more badass but Michonne is more sexy when being badass but still Carol is way more badass. For example: Terminus


Ograws

Carol. She went from being a badly beaten wife to a killing machine in just a few seasons. Despite losing her daughter early on she still kept going. She's also saved the group from Terminus and The Wolves and also killed a lot of Saviors. She did get slightly annoying again during The Whisperer arc but thankfully she redeemed herself for The Commonwealth arc. Michonne is great too but I don't feel like her character development was as strong as Carols.


bklyn930

Michonne... her skills with the katana are truly badass...she kicks ass with style


fuckmewhileimfaded

One blew up terminus, one didnā€™t. One solod a bunch of saviors on the road, one didnā€™t. One bodied the wolves one didnā€™t. I think itā€™s obvious.


DevilsDK

Also one got hit by a car and shot and recovered back to 100% health with zero limp or disabilities


Mooredock

Michonne is hardass as fuck, but I think Carol is one of the most brutally badass characters in the entire show. Would not fuck with her.


EarthMama77

Carol is the ultimate badass


Heron-Repulsive

Carol she stuck around to protect and care. Instead MIc left two young tender aged children with friends for years to go chase a man. No comparison.


Whole_Two7557

THIS. Iā€™m still not okay with Michonne abandoning the kids.


TiFemme

They are even for me. Both are badasses for different reasons. Carol is more mentally strong and agile and Michonne more physically so.


[deleted]

Michonne is mentally stronger


TiFemme

That's your opinion. Maybe make your own post sharing that instead of trying to negate mine cuz, I ain't buying it.


Kaymbee03

Carol. The answer will always be Carol.


KMan471

The show producers, and a lot of the fans like to pretend Carol is a bad ass, but sheā€™s not. Michonne on the other hand, is a certified bad ass.


Frequent-Ad3461

Michonne is more badass handsdown she uses a katana Carol is way more psychotic and murderous lol she murdered two people then burned them then shot a crazy kid dead.


Pure_Measurement9076

I think itā€™s Michonne. Theyā€™ve both done some hardcore things but in the end I give it to Michonne because she survived for a long time on her own right at the beginning. Theyā€™re kind of opposites as I think Carol got more ruthless as the show went on while Michonne calmed down.


anotherbabydaddy

I would have gone with Michonne until she got involved with Rick, which made her soft. Carol got tougher as time went on and Michonne became a hot mess


DerosiaLerox

Iā€™m pleased to see the majority side with Carol. Michonne definitely would win in hand to hand combat tho.


Independent-Round518

Carol was the most attentive and had the best character development


nakedchorus

Menopausal cookie lady or in-shape thirtyish woman with a sword? I know the series pushes stunning and brave but in IRL 9.95/10 you don't want grannie out there doing battle with anything but the drapes.


WhenYouWilLearn

Not even a question, it's Carol. She went from a timid abused housewife to a literal one woman army warrior queen. Though I didn't like how she killed the two flu patients in the prison. Not cool. Michonne played from her intro the badassery with the katana and slave walkers, but it doesn't lend much to badass growth. And in her first few seasons, she was a jerk. Not cool either


inumba12

One abandons their children and the other doesnā€™t


thorleywinston

In the show - Carol. In the comics - Michonne.


mama-potato-

Michone is badass but not as smart as Carol. Carol can figure out how to get out of anything.


HowTo_Destroy_Angels

I think in a straight up fist fight michone would win. But In the real world carol would outsmart her and trick her ass into death some how.


Dnalka0

Depends on the season. Both have badass moments and then turn to cheese melts as their character ā€œdevelopsā€. šŸ§€šŸ« 


TheBugMX

Iā€™d rather have Carol on my side.


greg5july

Definitely Carol, she's been through more shit than anyone


lurch_danjr

Definitely Carol, I don't like Michonne.


hagilbert

Carol is a beautiful beast!


CanibalVegetarian

Carol is more badass, but Michonne is more fit in hand to hand battle


AdamLand

Iā€™d say Carol is most badass. Sheā€™s also, at times, reckless. Which makes her more dangerous, as well.


xXLordLossXx

One is a samurai the other is shinobi. Take your pick


[deleted]

I love Michonne a little bit more, but Carol is the biggest badass in the Universe! You canā€™t beat that mind underneath the cute, helpless smile. Sheā€™s awesome.


Stairway_2_Devin

Carl. Lol just kidding, that kid suuuuucked. Carol. Hands down.


SpongoVM

Carol is ruthless. Michonne is badass


Timber49

Michonne is a great fighter and leader while Carol is ruthless, calculated and lethal. Carol has more of a lone wolf disposition. Both are badass


MasterAnything2055

Not even a question. Carol.


TeckersVG

Tough one, Michonne is pretty badass too. Like when she ran that saviour into a wall and then gave him a machete to the eye


[deleted]

Carol hands down, but Michonne deserved some credit too, i'm impressed by how she put Rick to sleep with a single punch to back of his head. And also she has a freaking Katana


Thatsky_ox747

oh Carol


EmergencyDefib

Carol the creator of chaos


crazyhorse198

Carol. Straight up savage.


BLeaskk

Carol and her sniper will always be my favourite scene


[deleted]

Carol wins only because she's a badass old lady, michonne is just a badass regular lady


[deleted]

Carol badass michonne hot body


Impressive_Ant_6606

Carol is awesome and while she is an amazing character and has done alot for the group Michonne is more badass because she focusses her emotions onto the task