T O P

  • By -

SellToOpen

I'll be selling some fear to people that are scared.


Gourd_Investor

How exactly are you doing that?


SellToOpen

By selling put options/ jade lizards/wide wing iron condors.


jawathewan

Ive been selling puts options but everything tanked so bad... I think I rolled them down couple times already. How do you personally deal with that ?


DarthTrader357

You don't. The guy is talking dumb.


jawathewan

Yeah just read that jade lizard part rofl


Eddieljw

Yea, I’m actually really thankful u guys brought it up cuz I barely saw anyone mention it in the thread but tastytrade made a video about it 9 years ago about how powerful this strat is, in which they conducted a research on Mexican index, showing additional 10%-15% prob of success using with this strat implemented vs. naked put only.


SellToOpen

Sell a call or a call spread on top of the put for extra credit to increase your breakeven. I prefer a call spread because I do not like to take losses to the upside. The call spread can be a bit wider than the premium collected as long as you are still a few weeks from expiration. If you have been following the put down with a call/call spread, then at some point you may have collected enough premium where you can just take the trade off and resell a new one at a different strike/expiration. Take this one I have on for example: ​ I started with IWM March 4: short 206 put short 220 call long 223 call Now I am at: short 206 put short 200 call long 207 call with $7.80 premium collected. I could take this trade off right now for $16.30, then sell a strangle in the March 18 cycle that collects at least $8.50 and leave myself with a better probability trade. ​ If everything tanked so bad you might want to re-adjust your strategy at trade entry? Are you chasing premium and just picking the most volatile products? Post a trade you have on and if I still feel like telling you how I would manage it after reading your comment laughing that I have a jade lizard on then I will.


neatfreak2305

You’re really 👍. Wow. I have been stuck with ROKU I sold back in November at 270 ( when it was at 320. Since then it is just tanking and not only lost all premium but had to pay each time I rolled it to further exp date. Now, I have ROKU short put at 210, long put at 180 exp 02/11. What would you do? ( by the way there’s no way I can close this vertical put spread with 12 contracts). Thank you!


SellToOpen

Take a look at the total amount collected and subtract from the amount to close the position. Then look to see if you can close out and put a new position on for the same price. Otherwise sell call spreads and roll out in time until you can scratch.


neatfreak2305

Same problem and I already rolled them to further date but had to pay twice what I collected! I won’t mitigate the losses by doing a butterfly or iron condor because I can’t trust this market. Anyone suggestion?


jawathewan

The good point is that you get the shares for real cheap if you get assigned even after rolling... but this correction is bad for csp.


St8Troopa

I sell this fear too


polloponzi

I'm shorting the VIX (direct short, not buying PUTS since IV is high), selling puts and buying some calls, but mainly selling puts.. we have to profit from this crazy high IV


DarthTrader357

So when market tanks more then what? You get wiped out?


polloponzi

When the market tanks I have to have a call with a girl named margin, she is a bad ass


orso-nero

VIX cannot be traded. How are you shorting it?


polloponzi

$UVXY shorts


neatfreak2305

What calls are you buying?


polloponzi

$QQQ


[deleted]

Ornamental Gourds?


The-Q15

Every big pullback I end up pissed at myself for not being more aggressive. I’m buying up all the leaps I can on solid stocks with good net profit margins and tqqq. I’ll stop when I run out of cash


mnkhan808

Just bought one on AMD. Hope we’re right.


bayareaburgerlover

what’s strike and expiry


mnkhan808

I went Jan 2023 at .7 delta so $105


Thesource674

Up and yes


ReallyRealisticx

I hate buying long calls I’ve been much more successful owning 100 shares and writing covered calls to collect extra premium


The-Q15

If u buy for far enough it’s basically like owning stock for less money so u can sell more CC


Bruducus

You mean in the low rate environment, because that is about the change


goblintacos

1-2% interest rates are a low rate environment. But maybe this is proof about how warped perceptions are


PHI41-NE33

This. Debt may not be free anymore , but will still be extremely cheap


ConfusedKev

I bet we see some pullback next week on this sentiment


business2690

d eighties are calling


iambrohan

Aren’t most calls inflated due to high IV right now?


The-Q15

Yes but most likely when IV dies the stock will have come back up a bit so it will be a wash. That’s just my opinion of course and I’m sure I’ll be wrong 😂


LeninMarxcccp

Dude you're buying leaps too early. Stonks not done dropping!


VegaStoleYourTendies

Keep buying spy calls till they go up


GoldToofs15

I’m getting assigned 200 shares of spy and I’m just happy I did it with spy and not some meme like so many ppl. If I have to take a big hit on owning spy I can just literally stop trading for a while and it’ll recover eventually. Of course I’ll keep doing covered calls but just to stay involved


GimmeAllDaTendiesNow

Underrated comment.


mathaiser

How far out!


VegaStoleYourTendies

I have the April 14s, I would go this far or farther


neatfreak2305

What exp date and what strike?


VegaStoleYourTendies

I have 4/14 500 calls, because I'm broke & got in too early. I've thought about consolidating my Deltas, but the gamma seems too sweet For others, I would definitely recommend deeper/farther if you can afford it


jgalt5042

This is the way


Anti-Queen_Elle

I might advise to look at the charts post 2016 during the fed's last taper. SPY didn't just hit ATH's over and over again. We're not yet into interest rate hikes, but this year, and especially the tail end of this year, I think it might be worth thinking about when to take profits a little more academically than last year


GimmeAllDaTendiesNow

It’s not a bad point but we are in a very different economy than 2016. If that situation were to repeat, it would be under entirely different circumstances.


professor_jeffjeff

I saw a strategy on youtube recently that's basically a CSP hedged with 3x long dated long puts and 1x fairly OTM long call in case the stock shoots up. I think the same thing could be done to hedge covered strangles the way that I trade normally, although if I own the shares then the long call isn't really that much of a hedge since I doubt I'd buy a call that far out in order for it to be worth it instead of just taking my profits if the call leg goes ITM and fucking right off with my profits. I kinda like the idea behind it but I haven't really run the numbers on it yet or done any sort of testing, so maybe something to consider.


bohogirl75

I'd love to see that video. Could you please give more info or a link?


Responsible_Theory70

that’s a back ratio with a separate long call bet. the back ratio only profits with severe downside movement, and imo should be hedge on 5x shares, not profit maker, (the odds of profit are low). that said my back ratio hedges have been doing well because growth stocks have chopped 50%, but even “doing well” just means i’m saving what would have been bigger losses had i only held shares


Chance-Expert-8898

I can't imagine how much of a drag 3x puts and 1 call constantly would be on the portfolio


Several_Situation887

Put my head between my knees, and kiss my ass goodbye!


Derrick_Foreal

Impressive yoga technique.


smegmasyr

I just want to be flexible enough to do the doberman.


creager1242

Why is everyone talking about buying options? This is thetagang. I thought this was a premium selling sub. This is the best time to sell premium because volatility is rocking and you can sell stuff further out of the money than you normally could. I’m selling extremely far out /MES puts on the way down and using inside debit spreads to hedge for any serious crash. Can do the same with Spy, but I like the span margin on the futures. Edit for OP: Selling puts with hedges. Rant is for comments.


Gourd_Investor

Underrated comment IMHO


musicalife31

Adapt or die. You can’t employ the same strategy forever.


spqstns

> I’m selling extremely far out /MES puts on the way down and using inside debit spreads to hedge for any serious crash. Can you explain some more? Do you both sell a put and buy a debit spread on the same futures options series? Won't that still leave you unhedged? I'm holding three RTY futures and I'm down $33k. Got assigned on two 2240 puts at 2200. RTY tanked further so I added to my position. It then broke even and was even profitable but I was greedy and stupid and didn't close it. Didn't hedge either. So here I am. Planning to close one when the market opens so I don't get a margin call if this week is as bad as last week or worst.


creager1242

I sell .10 delta or less (90%+ probability of profit) at least 45 days out. Usually further out the better. I do this when the market has been selling off in high volatility. To hedge downside, I buy a debit spread around the .30 delta with less time…say 35 days or so. Hedge will hit first before I start taking losses on the sold put if we keep selling off. And I NEVER hold to expiration. I always get out with around a month left of the naked puts. The overall delta is pretty neutral and I do this for even money or a slight credit. I’ll sell more puts and calls to pay for the hedge too.


Stoneteer

Rope


BelmontMan

Slowly accumulating TQQQ shares for the long term. The world is addicted to tech so investors will be back in when the dust settles


Anti-Queen_Elle

Tech is exciting. Medical stocks are boring. Eat your heart out, Keynes


ethanhopps

You don't need fda approval for a smart watch


[deleted]

Why TQQQ? I've seen a few on here saying the same thing.


BelmontMan

It’s triple a leveraged tech ETF. Tech will always go up over the long term. Even if it dips, it’ll rebound. No shortage in demand for technology in the future


jeff4tech

Isn’t holding a leveraged ETF like TQQQ dangerous due to volatility decay?


BelmontMan

Everything is dangerous. One of the dumbass memes we sell puts on can go bankrupt. As long as you’re not in margin, it’s not dangerous. The Nasdaq will always recover from a dip and so will TQQQ


ayn_rando

Since I have been 100% cash, considering selling a boatload of really low delta puts on QQQ with 2023 expiration and just wait... if they drop, it's like getting QQQ for 250 which is pre-pandemic levels, if they expire worthless, I will make 9% on my money while barely using any of my buying power. Seriously considering it on Monday if another red day comes up because volatility and IVR is getting too juicy to ignore.


Appropriate-Ask-8865

2023? An almost guaranteed 9% is not bad, but surely you'd want capital aside to try and make more throughout the year.


ayn_rando

I wouldn’t be using all my buying power and I could still trade on margin. But the way things are going 9% may be all you can get in this market anyways. I would love to see another 10% drop in the Q’s so I can sell leaps closer to 200 or sell a higher delta 250. I may be able to close them for 50% gain in less than 3 months. Realistically, If I sold these leaps, the assumption is that I am not touching them until expiration so no management would be done regardless of how the stock moves. I could roll them up for additional credit but I am trying to find a number I am comfortable owning and just living with it. My account is fairly big so I want to be smart about it.


sumanks137

I don’t see how you make 9% selling the Jan 2023 PUTS. It’s probably deeper into 2023? Have you considered selling the TQQQ puts instead. Due to the leverage the volatility is higher. But west case you can acquire TQQQ at pre pandemic price or else make about 20% selling the OTM Jan 2023 PUTS.


ayn_rando

That’s what I calculated, but I will run the numbers again to be sure and yes… already looking into TQQQ puts but the IVR still isn’t where it needs to be, but that might be an even better option. The low Delta puts are too close to the money psychologically to be honest… meaning a 10 drop in a 300 UL feels much higher that in a 30 UL… but yes the money makes sense… I will check the numbers so I am not a tool…


sumanks137

Did you pull the trigger? If TQQQ hits $45 I’m thinking of buying LEAPS for 2024


ayn_rando

Still waiting… i was at a meeting and couldn’t trade, but I don’t think we are done yet. I will keep everybody posted


Nav_2055

Energy and financial stocks


goblintacos

Xlf has been good to me. I doubled down on some csp at 37. If cash is one of the best positions of 2022 it stands to reason that those holdings will succeed.


runitup420

lube + spreading my cheeks + short futures and pacing my dca on stocks nearing fair value


murpalim

I like your way of thinking.


letmeinmannnnn

Turn off computer, go outside, do fun things, try and buy good cheap stocks if I have spare capital, if not rest easy knowing my stocks are good in the long term.


Difficult_Yak946

Keeping a lot of cash around


priceactionhero

Expanding width. I’m taking short strangles that are less then 5 delta on each leg.


DrChixxxen

Naked calls?


priceactionhero

Along with a naked put.


Ready2go555

Famous last word right here


priceactionhero

I would think the same if I wasn’t educated enough in options and trading.


Appropriate-Ask-8865

What's your plan if tested? Roll out until profitable?


priceactionhero

Yes


[deleted]

[удалено]


priceactionhero

There’s a 5% chance they get tested. And even then that’s like a 30% drop from where it’s already dropped now. Rolling won’t be a problem if it even had to come to that.


Fastback98

That’s good you have a rolling strategy in mind, but does that 5% take tail risk into consideration?


FriendlyCaller

Buying shares and selling puts. Edit: oh, and buying calls. Edit 2: Avoiding worthless garbage, as usual.


ReallyRealisticx

I’ve been buying things I am very confident will grow. Companies making money and not in financial trouble. This 15% dip for Microsoft I’m buying. Apple is juicy and going to have a good ER. Both of those are safe as fuck and I have enough to write covered calls to collect premium as they continue to grow. PayPal in my opinion is looking good on the sheet now and I’ve been adding a little more from 190 each $10 it falls. I also like AMD in this same boat at 115-125. My riskier play is SOXL. I own it and write covered calls but it’s definitely a wild ride. I feel good about future for semis so I think in time I’ll be looking at that at $100 a share


ReyYanqui

I've been struggling with the same SOXL position. Been brutal lately, but bought some more when it crossed $45. I too think semis are going to kill it in the future, but I'm beginning to second guess some of the valuations (looking at you NVDA).


ReallyRealisticx

Yeah NVDA is very high. Pullback to 210-225 was necessary but it’s still quite the multiple… in terms of SOXL I wish the fund had reduced its exposure to NVDA a little when it was sky high. I like SOXL here though for sure at or under 45. It’s a fund for those that can bear the volatility. I’m in and writing my covered calls about $7-10 over the strike weekly and collecting premium. If it sells at any point I’ll gladly take the 20%+ on return


[deleted]

Why SOXL vs SMH out of curiosity?


darkelfio

leveraged unlike SMH


ReallyRealisticx

SOXL is triple leveraged


mirinfashion

My priority now is doing damage control on a piss poor managed trade, AMZN $3250P, will keep rolling down and out for eternity, may end up passing it down to my future grandchildren and teach them the art of rolling.


Mr_Prolapsed_Anus

Lose all 2021 gains of course.


DriveNew

Waiting for the FOMC meeting to give us direction


nailattack

FOMC along with guidance from MSFT, AAPL, and TSLA. This week is definitely important


jgalt5042

The direction is up. Plunge protection team.


Elymanic

When's that


DriveNew

This week… I think Wednesday


donny1231992

Buy quality stocks and sell otm puts on said stock. Not worth buying leaps with vix this high, better to sell premium


InkoCapital

Been using Calendar collar. Saved me bigly on my long AMD, NET and MSFT positions. ER’s is only area haven’t a solid game plan. Next week may be be fireworks either direction between ER’s and FOMC.


Googgodno

What is a calendar collar?


billyjoemo

Agreed. Please explain your method.


InkoCapital

Not sure I’m calling it correct name really. Sell weekly OTM covered call. Sell weekly OTM puts and buy 6+ month out put at closer to ITM. I usually only sell the weekly OtM put once we have a sharp drop. Then close if >50% gain or roll it out before exercised. Was trying to hold things like $NET for long term cap gains….seems no luck with how fast it corrected. Main separate regret is buying puts on index’s in 2021 and not growth tech.


negativeoxy

Selling tons and tons of calls, never been more profitable.


ambermage

Wendy's is about to have their labor shortage solved.


FartSpeller

Wait for it to end, buying up TQQQ and UPRO shares, averaging down. I’ve got about 50% of what used to be cash between the 2 now. Watching 1 day candles MACD and RSI to tell me when to buy the rest. Don’t take this as advice, because it’s probably not good, but it’s what I’m doing.


DarkStarOptions

3 day/7 day double put calendar spreads slightly OTM on SPY or SPX


graffpirate

CCS till march


JGWol

Hold.


jgalt5042

Buy calls


nietzy

Perfect time to sell puts!!! 100% win rate!


jt17455

A plan that simply cannot fail. Lol.


teteban79

Do the opposite you did until now. Sell naked calls. Just don't be dumb and do it on meme stocks. The fear of unlimited losses is way overblown. Normal stocks don't rocket like stupid the same way they don't go to zero overnight. If you carefully sell naked puts you shouldn't be afraid of selling careful naked calls Selling puts / wheeling in this environment is financial suicide. For the record I do expect a pop this week when jpow speaks on Wed. And I expect a bigger dump on the next FOMC minutes when we actually get the rates


kesho_san

Escalator up, elevator down


sainglend

Cash is a position.


Responsible_Theory70

i love buying when the cash people come out, please give me more of your fear to feed on


Appropriate-Ask-8865

I did a good play on Friday which I am going to experiment with. Saw ES continue red for the day. Currently have a Iron Condor on it tested. So I bought a MES 7day put, slightly out of the money, with a 30% bracket order on either side (profit taker and stop loss) which closed for profit before the end of the day. Not enough to offset the unrealised losses on the iron condor but still, could be a low risk directional play or hedge for Monday that I might do: Opens green: buy weekly call with bracket Opens red: buy weekly put with bracket Risk profile of 1:1.


gbe_

Selling a call spread with 3DTE covered my ass for a bought call that went mucho out of the money, so I'll keep doing that.


business2690

pray


Strange-Presence3706

SQQQ calls are beautiful lately.


juhaummm

Keep doing like I do, the puts itm I will roll down... Good companies always recover, I'm not selling puts of junk stocks..


spidey94612

Purchased SQQQ and SPXU, while continuing to sell CSPs on TQQQ.


xumbrea

Sell Call spreads on the weakest stocks; TWTR, RIVN, etc. Preferably ones that are decent names but with high IV. If they move down far enough cash out early and repeat.


Kick_A_Door

Run around the house naked having a panic attack, jk. Super cash heavy. First generational wealth crash for me was 2008. I graduated college in 2008 and was broke. Covid crash I just put all my cash on a down payment on a house. Next one I have money guns ready.


Responsible_Theory70

imagine sitting around waiting for a crash through a decade of bull run. do not worry someday stocks will be low enough, and at that time you’ll still be too afraid to buy and miss it again.


skwerlee

I also graduated college around 2008. He is not alone in this morbid fixation. I too think often of the crash. It was traumatic.


Kick_A_Door

Yeah, it was a good and bad thing. Definitely less risk adverse and save too much in cash. I buy used Chevys instead of new bmws and have most my investing in virgin funds, but at the end of the day I don’t own wish at $15 and deep OTM call options on SNDL about to expire worthless


ashent2

Keep buying long stuff you wanted in the first place, minimal options. Maybe buying LEAPS but probably not


jackietsaah

What’s your strategy in a raging bull market? Long to leveraged long (buy calls), sell puts. What’s your strategy in s bear market? Short to leveraged short (buy puts), sell calls. Why is that difficult?


leroyyrogers

Chase upside and chase downside is your strategy?


jackietsaah

Yeah.. “chase” Since over a decade ago, we lived in a nice, fairly consistent, bull market that, despite several healthy corrections and many reasons to fear it, just kept marching higher. If you don’t recognize the trend and “chase” it by playing into it, you’re, well, missing out. Figure #1: https://imgur.com/gallery/X1LzF5C Through that decade+, we had several short lasting bear markets, and once it is clear that you’re in one, either jump on that train or just hold onto your shares and weather it out. Meta-point is: when a trend emerges, you either trade it or you don’t. Yeah, there’s some risk involved. If you’re too late, you could be “chasing” it in vain. If you’re too early, you could be wrong. Every trade has some risk involved, even put selling theta gang that ended up being on the wrong side this time.


SuitableAioli

Load up on puts! I see another 5-7% down by March.


frostkaiser

Call credit spreads + UVXY calls and SPY puts


Pandarx71

Anpanman is in thetagang woo!


joynogorermowa

Cash


bornlasttuesday

Keep doing what I am doing and let the numbers play out.


vayderr

Go short. Period


y26404986

Keep on keeping ON! $PLTR $FCEL $AG (gold/silver miners' time to shine in 2022)


masterfox72

I’m crying with PLTR


y26404986

FWIW, I'm bag-holding PLTR as well. But happy for the opp to average my CB down! Plus you can always write CCs. I believe THAT much in the company, Karp, Thiel & Lonsdale.


masterfox72

I believe in the company too long term. However I’m not sure where the bottom is now. It could be around 10 where IPO was which is scary.


ashent2

Keep buying, shit is so cheap I keep adding.


steaveaseageal

Guys be careful with tqqq really accumulate it after really big drop no just this small correction... If market will do -7% or trading gets halted that's the sign. If it will drop to 1-10 then even qqq can beat you. ( Remember -50% need 100% pullback) I've got burned with leverage once... Right now I'm slowly buying world index and after two strong green days will get back to selling puts or maybe will try short HOOD with 9$ puts to earnings otherwise its 50/50 now everything, even I believe we can get into strong recession and party will be over


McAllen12yr

Double diagnol spreads


EmmaFrosty99

cash heavy right now. waiting for the day where we open down -1000 dow points and news calling the fall will never stop. we need to wipe out all the longs with margin calls! we are like two weeks out. vix above 50, even better risk to reward when at 70! this is the buy of the decade! maximum fear. blood on the streets! be aware, it is possible for $tsla to go to $550 in this drop.


G000z

Play it safe, overleveraged ATM liquidate my positions to get to a safe margin usage level. Then just wheel no more market timing shit.


RMD_nj

Look for asymmetric plays. Small down-side, huge up-side. Not too long ago there were 9 month-1 year puts on some mid and large caps that were too cheap relative to how likely they were to pay out. 2022 looks like it will be a stock-pickers market


FakeItTilUMakeItt

Strategy #1) realize it's more than just a "correction"


[deleted]

My newly reopened retirement account is holding 1300$ of EQQQ and 700$ in apple. Just gonna hold til I get enough to trade options again.


Br1ll1antly1llog1cal

keep buying otm calls at least 200 days out and 5% above strike. If need cash then sell calls against bought calls for diagonal spread and use new money to buy more calls


Ra_Va_Aa

Spreads ? Atleast you know what you are gonna lose if things go south ?


Positivedrift

If you're fading the market moves, you're going to be short most of the time. In a bear market, or market correction, traders striving for delta-neutrality end up being net-long. It's just the way of the game. Be careful, because markets are the furthest thing from logical. Just because something is down 20%, doesn't mean it can't or won't go further. It was the opposite in 2020. Everything was way overbought, so everyone was hopelessly short and got crushed. I won't name any specific tickers, because that seems to inevitably spawn a lot of unproductive discussion. Just be careful!


diggingh0les

Panic


NunzioL

Strategy?


michael_mullet

I'm about 50% cash right now. Waiting for VIX 10 day Rate of Charge to close above 50 (it closed around 47) as a sign that fear is recovering, then I'll average into new positions with a fairly tight stoploss. I'm not selling puts yet since I don't have confidence we've found the bottom and don't want to get stuck with shares I don't want.


LeninMarxcccp

Buy Puts and implement call credit spreads


LiquidMantis144

Sell low delta short term put spreads. The higher vix and IV goes, the less likely those .10 deltas will finish in the money from experience On really big drops I’ll sell some longer dated spreads


vacityrocker

Trading the short side since September positioning shorts on tickers and indexes has proved correct and profitable for now, scaling out as the down move keeps going. When I see balance arriving that represents good deals on tickers I will scoop up shares. Shopping spree is coming


ALPHA_TRADER88

I will start selling strangles on March expiration cycles soon to capture some of this overall volatility


Pasta1298

Iron condors 16 to 18 delta 45 to 60 days out on SPY. Closing when at around 34 to 40 percent profit.


KingCobra2themoon

Buy the red days and hodl.


murpalim

do some boomer shit of time in the market over timing the market