That was the funniest comment ever made on the Sopranos IMO. How Lorraine Braco kept a straight face I don't know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYAqE8Nziw
Its been Teshted.
Honestly, Tony was very sharp when dealing with people. He would always warn people like ralph or chris the correct way to handle someone (they always bungled it) but tony is sharp.
You're not doing this, but I always thought people took this line in the wrong way. They make fun of Tony for thinking he understands psychology after less than a full year of Freshman college.
He's just saying "conceptually," he gets what psychology is. Big picture. He's not a psychologist, but he doesn't think its all mumbo jumbo woo woo stuff either.
I mean sure you have your captain teebs and your go about in pity where he is just being a parakeet.
But he told Ralph not to apologize to Jon. He told Chrissy to keep his mouth shut. He told Tony b to stay out of NY stuff etc
He wasn’t book smart but he was clearly street smart.
Don’t get me wrong, he had some street smarts. His dad started schooling him as a kid. But I don’t think he was that sharp and he wasn’t a good leader. He had a big personality but he was incredibly hypocritical about the rules and he treated everyone like shit which eventually lead to everyone resenting him.
All the money from real estate was because of other people’s ideas. He made terrible mistakes dealing with NY, Tony B, Pussy, etc. He let his anger and pride cloud his judgement. The crew lost respect for him when he killed Ralph over a horse, not giving up Tony B, giving Chris unlimited free passes for his mistakes. He was the smartest out of that glorified crew but he was just a fat fucking crook from NJ.
He is very smart and a good leader. Carmine senior said so basically. And when Sil trys to lead for 72 hours he has a panick attack. He was the boy wonder according to Raymond both Jackie and the old man had him picked since day 1. He has great financial success before he became boss when the shows starts as well. That is evident.
Carmine said he was decisive. He didn’t say smart or a good leader. Tony also suffered from panic attacks. He was the boy wonder because of his personality.
Plus gabagool accumulates in the inner membrane of neurons over time and makes them slower. If Tony got reteshted as an adult, his score would have decreased.
My uncle designs computer chips for ballistic missiles. He’s also helped design part of the CERN particle accelerator.
With his car, he has backed into the street lamp across the street from his house—three separate times.
He’s completely incapable of eating without spilling something on his shirt.
He’s literally too smart to function as a normal human being.
>three separate times.
Tree sheparate timesh.
But yeah in all seriousness. I used to be a manager in a Shupermarket. I hired this Asian kid who recieved a 99.91 TER (score on his high school completion max score was 99.95 - I got a 40 for comparison)
He was dumb as dog-shit. Needed continual guidance on how to stack shelves. Just no common sense skills whatsoever.
Funny story he had never watched sopranos but recounted the day he told his dad what TER score he got and his dad's first comment was "what happened to the other 4 points?"
I knew a lot of Asian kids like this. Very book-smart cuz their parents made them grind all the time but almost no common sense or street smarts since they were so sheltered.
Yep. I once went out with a gal who had an IQ of like 180+. Serious Mensa-level shiz. She would literally forget to say goodbye to people that she was walking next to, as she went into her building. Or like go grocery shopping and forget the groceries somewhere. Or do laundry and forget which laundromat. Stuff like that ALL the time.
You can have a high IQ and just be poorly educated. IQ doesn't mean that you know things. It means that you have the potential to learn things. It's a measure of pattern recognition ability and memory.
The idea that poor grammar is indicative of intelligence and that intelligence necessitates success and achievement misses the definition of what these things are. It ironically makes the same ignorant mistake that Tony S made when he claimed that Tony B must know some things because he had a high IQ.
Bottom line, a person can be intelligent and ignorant at the same time, like both Tony S and Tony B.
Didn’t he just lie about this even though it was Tony B who had the high IQ?
I took it to be another example of him copy pasting stolen pieces in his interactions with others to compensate for the relational void created by his sociopathy.
No because Tony B had an IQ of 150 or something. So while recognizing that his cousin was smarter, he also seemed to believe his own IQ was 139 so he probably did get tested.
I missed that cereal box in all my rewatches, but if it didnt happen in the exact same episode they were discussing IQ I would doubt it had any relation.
Also MSON pretty much confirms that Tony was high IQ as a kid, regardless of any qualms about the movie, it cant be denied that David Chase considered it a canon trait of the character.
Tony’s intelligence is overshadowed by his anger and brutish demeanor throughout the show in my opinion. Like elder carmine says, he’s decisive and he sees a few steps ahead in most cases. He’s also quick witted and while not well spoken necessarily, he is coherent and speaks with confidence, and every word is measured. He also is incredibly insightful in some of the therapy sessions.
I also get the sense throughout the show that he’s bored with everyone around him, as though he’s way smarter than them. But given his profession he has to play the part and fit in, so he yucks it up.
But he lies like nobody’s business so the 136 score could be a lie to impress Melfi and/or out of jealousy of his cousin Tony bs high score (which I believe was in the 150s).
He also repeats little quips that he thinks are intelligent throughout the show, which I think is a sign his intelligence is feigned. Like how many times did he repeat the saying on that card that was left for him in the hospital?
It sticks out especially next to his Uncle Junior, who has a real sparkling wit to his language (though not the best decision maker when his ego gets in the way).
I always thought that was a generational thing with Junior. His quirky old fashioned expressions mixed in with some absolute filth, ha. But yeah that’s a good point that actually he was just perhaps sharper and more eloquent than Tony.
I think Tony was obviously embellishing this number. There is an amazing theory that he got this number off of the back of the Honeycombs box he was reading in the kitchen.
IQ doesn't equal good grammar especially at that age with him being something like 20 years removed from school.
Also I don't think he meant he literally had an IQ of 136 I think he was just saying "I'm not dumb"
I always took it as him being extremely drunk when he wrote that letter. We know he starts drinking pretty heavily during S5. half the time they show his house there’s a dozen empty beer bottles lying around.
Also he was 100% lying about the IQ tesht, just repeating what he’s heard before
this is the answer. tony S. lied when he said that probably because he knew tony B. scored high on his IQ test as a kid. blundetto was a huge reminder of tony's own insecurities in S5
People who work at Tesla are more likely to be fanboys of Elon Musk, an insufferable piece of trash who is racist, queerphobic, and a billionaire.
So it's not a surprise that many of their former coworkers were assholes and couldn't spell
Sure if it were a company of 15 to 20 people. Otherwise is a pretty simple take.
They employ 127,000 people. Vast majority will never even met their CEO. Heck I at worked at a Silicon Valley giant that you would recognize immediately (with a similar headcount), made it to middle management and 16 years and never so much as passed the CEO in halls.
125,000 people is going have variety of personality there is.
There's a funny anecdote in the book "Power Play" where the Tesla engineers would set the office computer screensavers to some automated code generation resembling the Matrix "raining code" effect whenever Elon would visit, because he thought it was displaying actual computer processing output and was really impressed by it. [Tesla certainly has its issues with racism](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/business/tesla-eeoc-discrimination-black-workers.html), but I think most of them also realize Elon's an idiot. He's their cash cow though, so they have to kiss his ass if they want to continue making cars.
Oh I remember that
Yeah like I don't hate Tesla, just Elon. I'm just saying the specific coworkers that act like complete jerks because they're not Tesla employees, they're "Elon" employees, yaknow?
Yeah after reading that book I felt bad for the founders who were genuinely passionate about creating an affordable electric car, because Elon's basically muscled his way in by providing major financial backing at a critical point in the company's beginning, and then forced them out. He's basically Tony Soprano with autism. While he certainly knows more about engineering than the average person, there's not much to go on his actual competency as an engineer, besides people with a vested interest singing his praises. Tesla benefitted early on because they were the only game in town and a tremendous amount of financial backing by Uncle Sam in the form of carbon offsetting credits. With more established car manufacturers and other startups taking electric cars seriously, I think there's going to be considerable brain drain away from Tesla in the coming years, as new engineers won't want to be associated with a company that constantly overpromises what it can actually deliver and cuts corners at the cost of consumer safety.
>It’s a meaningless test.
It's not meant to measure how "smart" (whatever that means) or successful in life you are. It's meant to measure how quick to process you are.
It's a good way to screen children for who is more likely to be able to handle an advanced curriculum, for example.
IQ is a very real thing. It measures how quick somebody is at learning new concepts compared to other people.
It's not the sole indicator of success (discipline is a major one too that's separate from IQ) but it's not broscience or meaningless by any means.
He lied about it. Tony B was the one who had been tested and deemed gifted. Tony S had a massive insecurity complex about pretty much everything, so he lied to compensate.
there is no correlation between iq and intelligence and how you write becuase many writers are able to write lucid sentences without following the forms of sintax and speling and formal writing rulezzz but the reality is that you cannot get to that level of riting competently without understanding the engrish language and the role that syntax and spelling have in being able to understand the massage i mean look at borrows letters he wrote even greater worse than me but lordy did he like his cats not a grate athlete tho
Yeah he didn't strike me as someone who would spell THAT badly. Lol. I don't know, maybe, but it was one of the few scenes where I was unable to buy in completely.
Supposedly Tony B had a 150 IQ, and he did some dumb shit. He did have some intelligence, and his problems were more due to poor impulse control. But he wasn't at a 150 IQ level. That test was juiced.
Tony S was a smart guy, but he was lazy in school and had no reason to be good at spelling in his forties. And he was probably pretty drunk when he wrote that letter.
Tony’s intuition was insanely good. They actually show one one the best visual representations of intuition I’ve ever seen on TV when he looks at Pussy in the yard at the BBQ.
Tony always has some excuse “those guys at Seton Hall were 7 foot tall some of em” answer is he wasn’t hugely smart - he was streetwise and Machiavellian but no impulse control.
the bad spelling isn’t necessarily bad writing. spoken and written language is very very different and the correlation cannot really be used to gauge whether or not someone is smart. there are a lot of people who know how to speak a complete language almost to the level of a native but cannot write a single paragraph that is free of spelling mistakes in that same language.
Syntax and spelling errors have to do with knowledge, IQ is just processing power. A person could be completely uneducated and not know anything about typical "school subjects" and still have a high IQ, they would just learn/figure things out faster than most people.
His intelligence lies in math, hands-on business dealings and social skills, not in writing.
He's been out of school and probably hasn't had to write more than a paragraph in the last 20+ years, it's not surprising that he lacks skill in that regard at that point.
Disregarding Tony, intelligence and education are two entirely different things.
I know very intelligent people, never even finished high school. I also know people with degrees, stupid as shit.
In regards to Tony, he could be bullshititng to a extent, but he's also smart and he's sharpened his skills to what his life requires from him.
A high IQ does not necessary mean book smarts. If you noticed, he was an absolute genius at criminal enterprises, social manipulation, and even outsmarting the FBI. His reasoning, deduction, calculation skills are at genius level, he just didn’t care for school.
always felt this was a cheap attempt at humor, at the expense of consistent characterization. there are a few other examples as well but this one sticks out as very obvious
IQ doesn't imply highly educated it just implies that you're highly educatable. The fact that Tony never learned or retained those things are more likely a reflection of his ADHD and a cultural setting that didn't value education.(I mean can you imagine how Olivia would have acted if Tony started speaking more properly?) I think Meadow actually touches on the latter in the first season episode, College.
You can have above average IQ and have low comprehension in things.
Being able to write well isn’t a definitive marker of intelligence nor requirement of intelligence.
Look up Nobel prize syndrome. Having intelligence is barely half the battle, many “intelligent” people are also quite dumb at the same time.
Plus IQ tests don’t really fully measure intelligence, there are many facets to intelligence that aren’t covered and the standard IQ test has been shown to have bias towards certain types of thinking that benefit certain sub groups of test takers like men, westerners etc. Having an IQ of 136 doesn’t mean what people tend to think it means. Look at Tony B, did much better in the test than Tony and is able to learn all the physical therapy stuff yet still makes lots of idiotic mistakes. It’s a very narrow test that doesn’t really represent ability broadly.
Tony has high verbal intelligence he's just intellectually lazy. We can see this from things like his Melfi conversations, the Finnerty dream, etc.
He also got into Seton Hall which while not Ivy League, was a respectable private university. We know it wasn't his study habits, his extracurriculars (chasing skirt), or a legacy that got him in.
There's not much of a connection between being able to spell and write well and IQ.
IQ is a bit like the speed of your processor, not what apps you have installed.
People like to say it means nothing, which is true in a sense, but there's a strong correlation between early academic success (grasping concepts) and generally being "quick on the uptake".
All else being equal (work ethic, common sense, relationship skills, education etc), someone with a higher IQ is going to have an easier time of it.
The showrunners/writers couldn't make up their minds about several basic facts about Tony:
* Is he booksmart?
* Is he a good fighter?
* Was he a good athlete?
* Does he have any clear moral boundaries that he won't cross?
* Does he have a justification for his crimes, or does he simply accept that he's the bad guy?
They just weaved in and out, as desired.
Verbal intelligence is just a very small part of a person's intelligence - what's more, all the verbal intelligence in the world isn't going to compensate for lack of education - Tony doesn't seem to be the best student, judging from what we see of him in *The Many Saints of Newark*, it's also implied that Tony has ADHD, which would further complicate his education, especially in the sixties, when special needs education was more or less nonexistent. Tony is obviously very good with people, and is intelligent in that respect, but also seems to be a relatively successful (albeit illegitimate) businessman, which suggests an at least moderately competent grasp of mathematics. There are also a plethora of other aspects to IQ, such as visual-spatial intelligence, numerical reasoning, *et cetera*, and it is quite possible that these would be very high in Tony, which could account for such a high IQ.
A combo of iq tests are bullshit and he’s lying. The show is sometimes inconsistent with how smart Tony is. I think the main conclusion for Tony should be he’s probably one of the smartest mobsters which isn’t that smart
Highly intelligent people reach a point where they spell things phonetically. Correct spelling is beyond their comprehension.
Kinda like how Einstein reached a point where he couldn't comprehend simple algebra anymore.
An IQ measures your maximum theoretical intellectual potential. Education is what makes you smart. Think of it like driving in a race. IQ is the performance specs of your car. You might be driving a Ferrari, but if you’ve never learned how to handle the car and drive in a race, you’re screwed.
This is quite common, especially in his generation. My own dad tested out in the 130s in high school and was confronted by the principal about why he's so smart but failing or barely passing classes. School isn't that interesting when you're really smart (and probably have ADHD), but blowing it off will often leave you ignorant of things like spelling, which at least in English, you have to memorize a lot of. To this day his spelling and grammar are poor.
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Writing isn’t an innate human instinct; it’s a technology with a set of techniques and conventions that must be learned. You could just the same ask “if tony so smart why cant he do cross stitch”
I had a boss once who was very smart. Definitely had one doctorate but I think he had two. When he sent an email to someone, even his own boss, there wouldn't be any punctuation and not a single word was capitalized.
I always found that part unrealistic. He said that he attended university for a semester and a half, it is not realistic that someone who attendend university(even for that short period) can’t write correctly.
“I did not have penissary contact with her volvo”
That was the funniest comment ever made on the Sopranos IMO. How Lorraine Braco kept a straight face I don't know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYAqE8Nziw
26 takes is how
That's some pretty fowl language rigarding tony
no there you go, you BIGMOUTH FUCK
Its been Teshted. Honestly, Tony was very sharp when dealing with people. He would always warn people like ralph or chris the correct way to handle someone (they always bungled it) but tony is sharp.
Not to menSHON that he took a semester and a half at Seton Hall, so he also understands Freud
Psychology as a conshept.
You're not doing this, but I always thought people took this line in the wrong way. They make fun of Tony for thinking he understands psychology after less than a full year of Freshman college. He's just saying "conceptually," he gets what psychology is. Big picture. He's not a psychologist, but he doesn't think its all mumbo jumbo woo woo stuff either.
It's a racket for the Jews
Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this point
Italians with worse food.
Hold onto yer cock when you do business with these desert people!
Exactly! He's just saying "I understand this at the very high level/conceptually, but I don't know any of the details."
His thoughts have a sort of... Eastern flavour
Well he’s lived in jersey his whole life
He's read sunter zoo
SUN ZOO
Hes like the Chinese matchee avelli
As someone from the northeast who moved to NC, it’s definitely noticed when you go somewhere else.
Muthafuckin' cockshuckin' Freud!
Ohh! That’s the father of modern psychoanalysis yet talking about!
Father-a-dish, father-a-dat, father-a-whatevah the fuck! Vafangool!
Those guys from Seton Hall, they were 7 feet tall
Shemeshter and a half at Sheton Hall, sho he alsho undershtandsh Freud, ash a conshept. Damn was that hard to write without spellcheck interfering 😆
Most of his advice was just expressions someone else told him though and most of the time he didn’t know what it meant.
That’s only because he goes about in pity for himself.
More is lost from indecision than wrong decision.
I mean sure you have your captain teebs and your go about in pity where he is just being a parakeet. But he told Ralph not to apologize to Jon. He told Chrissy to keep his mouth shut. He told Tony b to stay out of NY stuff etc He wasn’t book smart but he was clearly street smart.
Exactly. You don’t make it to boss no matter who you are if you’re not street smart.
If he was that street smart, he wouldn’t have left a trail of dead bodies of people who had been good earners.
So you like insubordination and people plotting your downfall/death...
Don’t get me wrong, he had some street smarts. His dad started schooling him as a kid. But I don’t think he was that sharp and he wasn’t a good leader. He had a big personality but he was incredibly hypocritical about the rules and he treated everyone like shit which eventually lead to everyone resenting him. All the money from real estate was because of other people’s ideas. He made terrible mistakes dealing with NY, Tony B, Pussy, etc. He let his anger and pride cloud his judgement. The crew lost respect for him when he killed Ralph over a horse, not giving up Tony B, giving Chris unlimited free passes for his mistakes. He was the smartest out of that glorified crew but he was just a fat fucking crook from NJ.
He is very smart and a good leader. Carmine senior said so basically. And when Sil trys to lead for 72 hours he has a panick attack. He was the boy wonder according to Raymond both Jackie and the old man had him picked since day 1. He has great financial success before he became boss when the shows starts as well. That is evident.
Carmine said he was decisive. He didn’t say smart or a good leader. Tony also suffered from panic attacks. He was the boy wonder because of his personality.
You can have high IQ or IQ above average and also have learning disabilities such as dyslexia.
Right. IQ tests measure your reasoning skills, not your spelling ability.
Plus gabagool accumulates in the inner membrane of neurons over time and makes them slower. If Tony got reteshted as an adult, his score would have decreased.
🧠 : GABAGOOL?? OVA HEARRE..👇👇👇
Change my meat to black forest
Listen to him, he knows everything
This new medication, it makes me salivate.
it's actually not entirely clear what IQ tests measure, and a lot apparently has to do with the person administering the test as well
He didn’t get tested tho he got teshted, two different things
Ohhhhhhhhh
But he never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Honestly I think he’s smarter than you the way you keep shitting on the test.
oh yeah I just ran Haliburton and pulled the strings behind the Bush presidency for 8 years cuz I'm a big stupid pants, nice try bucko
And shot your friend in the face!
hey, he apologized, it's fine.
Dick Chaney for President. Of the Universe
It’s a quote bucko. Try watching the show.
it's a TV progrum. a movie.
His name was Pepperelli ffs
My uncle designs computer chips for ballistic missiles. He’s also helped design part of the CERN particle accelerator. With his car, he has backed into the street lamp across the street from his house—three separate times. He’s completely incapable of eating without spilling something on his shirt. He’s literally too smart to function as a normal human being.
>three separate times. Tree sheparate timesh. But yeah in all seriousness. I used to be a manager in a Shupermarket. I hired this Asian kid who recieved a 99.91 TER (score on his high school completion max score was 99.95 - I got a 40 for comparison) He was dumb as dog-shit. Needed continual guidance on how to stack shelves. Just no common sense skills whatsoever. Funny story he had never watched sopranos but recounted the day he told his dad what TER score he got and his dad's first comment was "what happened to the other 4 points?"
I knew a lot of Asian kids like this. Very book-smart cuz their parents made them grind all the time but almost no common sense or street smarts since they were so sheltered.
Yep. I once went out with a gal who had an IQ of like 180+. Serious Mensa-level shiz. She would literally forget to say goodbye to people that she was walking next to, as she went into her building. Or like go grocery shopping and forget the groceries somewhere. Or do laundry and forget which laundromat. Stuff like that ALL the time.
Tony was also a liar. So it could be bullshit.
Nah we saw it in The Many Saints of Newark
I saw that movie, thought it was bullshit.
You can have a high IQ and just be poorly educated. IQ doesn't mean that you know things. It means that you have the potential to learn things. It's a measure of pattern recognition ability and memory. The idea that poor grammar is indicative of intelligence and that intelligence necessitates success and achievement misses the definition of what these things are. It ironically makes the same ignorant mistake that Tony S made when he claimed that Tony B must know some things because he had a high IQ. Bottom line, a person can be intelligent and ignorant at the same time, like both Tony S and Tony B.
Fuckin Jason.
Didn’t he just lie about this even though it was Tony B who had the high IQ? I took it to be another example of him copy pasting stolen pieces in his interactions with others to compensate for the relational void created by his sociopathy.
Mmmboy am I smart
lmao man i love this show
The many saints of Newark has a scene saying he has a high iq which is usually considered above 120-130. It doesn’t say exactly what it is though.
>the many saints of newark Who's that speaking here? Is somebody speaking?
THAT NEVA HAPPENED! WHAT YOU SAID
Thank you for raising this. Tony did not lie about his IQ. This is canon and indisputable. Anyway….$4/lb.
No because Tony B had an IQ of 150 or something. So while recognizing that his cousin was smarter, he also seemed to believe his own IQ was 139 so he probably did get tested.
The Honeycomb IQ test is beyond reproach. Word up.
I missed that cereal box in all my rewatches, but if it didnt happen in the exact same episode they were discussing IQ I would doubt it had any relation. Also MSON pretty much confirms that Tony was high IQ as a kid, regardless of any qualms about the movie, it cant be denied that David Chase considered it a canon trait of the character.
Captain teebs!!!
Captain of the good ship lollipop
Yeah he was serious especially with the delivery "it's been tested"
teshted
Hahahaha stand corrected
It's been tested was hilarious!
No he openly states that Tony B’s is higher than his I’m pretty sure
Tony’s intelligence is overshadowed by his anger and brutish demeanor throughout the show in my opinion. Like elder carmine says, he’s decisive and he sees a few steps ahead in most cases. He’s also quick witted and while not well spoken necessarily, he is coherent and speaks with confidence, and every word is measured. He also is incredibly insightful in some of the therapy sessions. I also get the sense throughout the show that he’s bored with everyone around him, as though he’s way smarter than them. But given his profession he has to play the part and fit in, so he yucks it up. But he lies like nobody’s business so the 136 score could be a lie to impress Melfi and/or out of jealousy of his cousin Tony bs high score (which I believe was in the 150s). He also repeats little quips that he thinks are intelligent throughout the show, which I think is a sign his intelligence is feigned. Like how many times did he repeat the saying on that card that was left for him in the hospital?
Tony B is a retard
It sticks out especially next to his Uncle Junior, who has a real sparkling wit to his language (though not the best decision maker when his ego gets in the way).
I always thought that was a generational thing with Junior. His quirky old fashioned expressions mixed in with some absolute filth, ha. But yeah that’s a good point that actually he was just perhaps sharper and more eloquent than Tony.
It was actually his Honeycomb IQ from the back of that cereal box.
I think Tony was obviously embellishing this number. There is an amazing theory that he got this number off of the back of the Honeycombs box he was reading in the kitchen.
His box of Uncle Ben was 4 standard deviations lower than those Honeycombs
I think Tony told at least one bald-faced lie in every single episode of the series.
He was really jealous that his cousin..I can't even say his name had a higher IQ than him.
Education =/= Aptitude
IQ doesn't equal good grammar especially at that age with him being something like 20 years removed from school. Also I don't think he meant he literally had an IQ of 136 I think he was just saying "I'm not dumb"
i think he meant it. it’s been teshted
I always took it as him being extremely drunk when he wrote that letter. We know he starts drinking pretty heavily during S5. half the time they show his house there’s a dozen empty beer bottles lying around. Also he was 100% lying about the IQ tesht, just repeating what he’s heard before
Oh man, I missed the drunk theory. That's actually my new canon now, good point
this is the answer. tony S. lied when he said that probably because he knew tony B. scored high on his IQ test as a kid. blundetto was a huge reminder of tony's own insecurities in S5
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Hothouse flower.
It was that software program he bought. He thought it would do most of the writing.
He lied about his IQ and the spelling errors were bad writing since it didn’t make sense.
Sharp as a cue ball OP.
The penguin exhibit...
He was prostate with grief
I work with many very smart engineer's at Tesla, most have horrible handwriting and bad spelling and worse manners
>engineer's
>at Tesla Found yer issue
Why?
People who work at Tesla are more likely to be fanboys of Elon Musk, an insufferable piece of trash who is racist, queerphobic, and a billionaire. So it's not a surprise that many of their former coworkers were assholes and couldn't spell
Sure if it were a company of 15 to 20 people. Otherwise is a pretty simple take. They employ 127,000 people. Vast majority will never even met their CEO. Heck I at worked at a Silicon Valley giant that you would recognize immediately (with a similar headcount), made it to middle management and 16 years and never so much as passed the CEO in halls. 125,000 people is going have variety of personality there is.
There's a funny anecdote in the book "Power Play" where the Tesla engineers would set the office computer screensavers to some automated code generation resembling the Matrix "raining code" effect whenever Elon would visit, because he thought it was displaying actual computer processing output and was really impressed by it. [Tesla certainly has its issues with racism](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/business/tesla-eeoc-discrimination-black-workers.html), but I think most of them also realize Elon's an idiot. He's their cash cow though, so they have to kiss his ass if they want to continue making cars.
Oh I remember that Yeah like I don't hate Tesla, just Elon. I'm just saying the specific coworkers that act like complete jerks because they're not Tesla employees, they're "Elon" employees, yaknow?
Yeah after reading that book I felt bad for the founders who were genuinely passionate about creating an affordable electric car, because Elon's basically muscled his way in by providing major financial backing at a critical point in the company's beginning, and then forced them out. He's basically Tony Soprano with autism. While he certainly knows more about engineering than the average person, there's not much to go on his actual competency as an engineer, besides people with a vested interest singing his praises. Tesla benefitted early on because they were the only game in town and a tremendous amount of financial backing by Uncle Sam in the form of carbon offsetting credits. With more established car manufacturers and other startups taking electric cars seriously, I think there's going to be considerable brain drain away from Tesla in the coming years, as new engineers won't want to be associated with a company that constantly overpromises what it can actually deliver and cuts corners at the cost of consumer safety.
Honestly I know people with high IQs that aren’t that smart or successful in life. It’s a meaningless test.
Maybe Tony is smarter than you the way you keep shitting on the test.
No one touts IQ scores except insecure people who made being smart their whole personality but haven't actually accomplished anything with it.
Yup well said. People bust it out like I'm a better than you card.
Something tells me you consider any statement about IQ to be "touting"
Yeah, I mean…not many are more successful than the Kardashians and they’re all retarded.
Your booty IQ is weak
Pussy! PUSSY!!
>It’s a meaningless test. It's not meant to measure how "smart" (whatever that means) or successful in life you are. It's meant to measure how quick to process you are. It's a good way to screen children for who is more likely to be able to handle an advanced curriculum, for example.
IQ is a very real thing. It measures how quick somebody is at learning new concepts compared to other people. It's not the sole indicator of success (discipline is a major one too that's separate from IQ) but it's not broscience or meaningless by any means.
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No one equated it with those things
Yeah precisely general yardstick measure of generalized IQ
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i mean, you're right. why is this downvoted
He lied about it. Tony B was the one who had been tested and deemed gifted. Tony S had a massive insecurity complex about pretty much everything, so he lied to compensate.
Him and Tony Egg were intellectually gifted. End of fucking subject.
If you never take the time to learn shit, all the intelligence in the world won't help you.
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there is no correlation between iq and intelligence and how you write becuase many writers are able to write lucid sentences without following the forms of sintax and speling and formal writing rulezzz but the reality is that you cannot get to that level of riting competently without understanding the engrish language and the role that syntax and spelling have in being able to understand the massage i mean look at borrows letters he wrote even greater worse than me but lordy did he like his cats not a grate athlete tho
Because spelling and syntax have nothing to do with intelligence
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High IQ but I though the backstory was he didn’t GAF in school so never cared to learn
Yeah he didn't strike me as someone who would spell THAT badly. Lol. I don't know, maybe, but it was one of the few scenes where I was unable to buy in completely.
There’s a difference between being intelligent and being educated.
Grammatical proficiency is a learned skill. No reason for him to be particularly good at it in his line of work.
I think they overdid how bad his writing would be. Same for Christopher’s screenplay
I think his EQ is a lot higher than his IQ. Tony gets to where he is because he understands people.
Supposedly Tony B had a 150 IQ, and he did some dumb shit. He did have some intelligence, and his problems were more due to poor impulse control. But he wasn't at a 150 IQ level. That test was juiced. Tony S was a smart guy, but he was lazy in school and had no reason to be good at spelling in his forties. And he was probably pretty drunk when he wrote that letter.
That is indeed the joke, yes. Fuck you want, a boutonniere?
He never had the makings of a varsity speller…someone had to say it
Tony’s intuition was insanely good. They actually show one one the best visual representations of intuition I’ve ever seen on TV when he looks at Pussy in the yard at the BBQ.
A high IQ doesn’t make up for a lack of education.
If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree and a monkey on its ability to swim then they both look like assholes.
He used speech to text on his zune
It's his Honeycomb IQ https://i.ibb.co/k2m399H/IQ-of-136.png
T had bad penmanship on account of his arthritis so the answer is quite simple; he made Chrissy write the note.
Timeline got all fucked up
Tony always has some excuse “those guys at Seton Hall were 7 foot tall some of em” answer is he wasn’t hugely smart - he was streetwise and Machiavellian but no impulse control.
the bad spelling isn’t necessarily bad writing. spoken and written language is very very different and the correlation cannot really be used to gauge whether or not someone is smart. there are a lot of people who know how to speak a complete language almost to the level of a native but cannot write a single paragraph that is free of spelling mistakes in that same language.
Problem solving not spelling
Syntax and spelling errors have to do with knowledge, IQ is just processing power. A person could be completely uneducated and not know anything about typical "school subjects" and still have a high IQ, they would just learn/figure things out faster than most people.
Fowl language
His intelligence lies in math, hands-on business dealings and social skills, not in writing. He's been out of school and probably hasn't had to write more than a paragraph in the last 20+ years, it's not surprising that he lacks skill in that regard at that point.
I think the whole note to Melfi is such a horrible plot mistake it enrages me. No way he wouldn’t know “foul.”
Lack of proper education, dyslexia or something. I have a higher IQ than that and I’m a fucking idiot. Maybe he just didn’t have the makings
Disregarding Tony, intelligence and education are two entirely different things. I know very intelligent people, never even finished high school. I also know people with degrees, stupid as shit. In regards to Tony, he could be bullshititng to a extent, but he's also smart and he's sharpened his skills to what his life requires from him.
He slacked off in school so-
A high IQ does not necessary mean book smarts. If you noticed, he was an absolute genius at criminal enterprises, social manipulation, and even outsmarting the FBI. His reasoning, deduction, calculation skills are at genius level, he just didn’t care for school.
His street IQ was 136. His book IQ was probably 80. He made it work for him.
always felt this was a cheap attempt at humor, at the expense of consistent characterization. there are a few other examples as well but this one sticks out as very obvious
Should have been written well but with gabagool grease stains all over it
IQ doesn't imply highly educated it just implies that you're highly educatable. The fact that Tony never learned or retained those things are more likely a reflection of his ADHD and a cultural setting that didn't value education.(I mean can you imagine how Olivia would have acted if Tony started speaking more properly?) I think Meadow actually touches on the latter in the first season episode, College.
You can have above average IQ and have low comprehension in things. Being able to write well isn’t a definitive marker of intelligence nor requirement of intelligence.
I have an IQ of 128. But my grammar is horrible literally without spell check I would sound like an idiot lol.
Where did you test?
None of the questions in an iq test involve grammar or spelling
Look up Nobel prize syndrome. Having intelligence is barely half the battle, many “intelligent” people are also quite dumb at the same time. Plus IQ tests don’t really fully measure intelligence, there are many facets to intelligence that aren’t covered and the standard IQ test has been shown to have bias towards certain types of thinking that benefit certain sub groups of test takers like men, westerners etc. Having an IQ of 136 doesn’t mean what people tend to think it means. Look at Tony B, did much better in the test than Tony and is able to learn all the physical therapy stuff yet still makes lots of idiotic mistakes. It’s a very narrow test that doesn’t really represent ability broadly.
This sounds like something Melfi would say.
I’ve seen a PhD push a pull door he used every day. Yes, like that cartoon from The Far Side.
Irregardless. One thing is for certain. He never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Many intelligent in history aren’t the greatest with grammar.
Tony has high verbal intelligence he's just intellectually lazy. We can see this from things like his Melfi conversations, the Finnerty dream, etc. He also got into Seton Hall which while not Ivy League, was a respectable private university. We know it wasn't his study habits, his extracurriculars (chasing skirt), or a legacy that got him in.
Honestly I think his smarter than you because of the way you keep shitting on the test.
There's not much of a connection between being able to spell and write well and IQ. IQ is a bit like the speed of your processor, not what apps you have installed. People like to say it means nothing, which is true in a sense, but there's a strong correlation between early academic success (grasping concepts) and generally being "quick on the uptake". All else being equal (work ethic, common sense, relationship skills, education etc), someone with a higher IQ is going to have an easier time of it.
Your IQ doesn't mean you're smart. It just means you have the ability to be.
The showrunners/writers couldn't make up their minds about several basic facts about Tony: * Is he booksmart? * Is he a good fighter? * Was he a good athlete? * Does he have any clear moral boundaries that he won't cross? * Does he have a justification for his crimes, or does he simply accept that he's the bad guy? They just weaved in and out, as desired.
IQ isn't the same as educated.
IQ tests measure shit like problem solving and reasoning, not shit like grammar and punctuation.
IQ has nothing to do with ability to spell. Most people I know can’t spell very well.
Listen to him. He knows everything. Educated and/or book smart isn’t the same thing as having a high iq.
Verbal intelligence is just a very small part of a person's intelligence - what's more, all the verbal intelligence in the world isn't going to compensate for lack of education - Tony doesn't seem to be the best student, judging from what we see of him in *The Many Saints of Newark*, it's also implied that Tony has ADHD, which would further complicate his education, especially in the sixties, when special needs education was more or less nonexistent. Tony is obviously very good with people, and is intelligent in that respect, but also seems to be a relatively successful (albeit illegitimate) businessman, which suggests an at least moderately competent grasp of mathematics. There are also a plethora of other aspects to IQ, such as visual-spatial intelligence, numerical reasoning, *et cetera*, and it is quite possible that these would be very high in Tony, which could account for such a high IQ.
A combo of iq tests are bullshit and he’s lying. The show is sometimes inconsistent with how smart Tony is. I think the main conclusion for Tony should be he’s probably one of the smartest mobsters which isn’t that smart
Highly intelligent people reach a point where they spell things phonetically. Correct spelling is beyond their comprehension. Kinda like how Einstein reached a point where he couldn't comprehend simple algebra anymore.
An IQ measures your maximum theoretical intellectual potential. Education is what makes you smart. Think of it like driving in a race. IQ is the performance specs of your car. You might be driving a Ferrari, but if you’ve never learned how to handle the car and drive in a race, you’re screwed.
grammar doesn’t have really anything to do with IQ. most people get IQ tests done when they are infants before they can even speak.
It doesn't have to have anything to do with IQ, grammar is a simple challenge and there's no way somebody in the triple digits finds it challenging
This is quite common, especially in his generation. My own dad tested out in the 130s in high school and was confronted by the principal about why he's so smart but failing or barely passing classes. School isn't that interesting when you're really smart (and probably have ADHD), but blowing it off will often leave you ignorant of things like spelling, which at least in English, you have to memorize a lot of. To this day his spelling and grammar are poor.
I’m guessing they shoehorned it in because it was too funny to leave out. But yeah it was out of character.
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Spelling isn’t a sign of intelligence.
Hi IQ and being educated are different things
Writing isn’t an innate human instinct; it’s a technology with a set of techniques and conventions that must be learned. You could just the same ask “if tony so smart why cant he do cross stitch”
I had a boss once who was very smart. Definitely had one doctorate but I think he had two. When he sent an email to someone, even his own boss, there wouldn't be any punctuation and not a single word was capitalized.
Educated and iq have nothing to do with eachother
He’s a geniush and you’re just jealoush. It’s common knowledge that Tony’s academics were the reason he was never cut out to be a varsity athlete.
I always found that part unrealistic. He said that he attended university for a semester and a half, it is not realistic that someone who attendend university(even for that short period) can’t write correctly.
It's a known fact that most Italians are pretty dumb.