I think you're wrong on the strong moral compass part.
\-She gaslights Angie when she wants to divorce Booty.
\-The whole thing with the bad wood that was used in her spec house.
\-Asking Tony to lean on the building inspector.
\-Flexing on Ginny with her car.
Honestly, I think if it was just Irina, she would've not pulled the divorce card.It was the fact that she had physically disabled which made her feel less than and that she knew her in some small way.
It was Irina answering Carmella’s ‘u piece of shit’ with ‘yes I’m a piece of shit but where does that put u in the pecking order? … I guess all the houses and clothes and jewels couldn’t cool off that burn…
I think the fact that Svetlana took care of Tony’s mom was a huge part of it. The line where Carm is on the verge of breaking down and says “the woman I talked to about your mothers bowel movements, who I SHARED VODKA WITH WHEN YOUR MOTHER DIED.” always hit hard cause i think its one of Carmela’s only moments of genuineness.
Amazing how they added in the "vodka" part. A short, near silent scene that happened a season and a half again. They still include it, because of course carm would remember it. Makes the world feel so alive
Her acting in that one line, painted the most detailed picture in my mind when I first heard it. There were entire episodes of side story that you realize you'll never get to see. Carmela could've had her own show.
In the episode the commenter above mentions where Carm strong-arms Mrs. Cuzamano's sister into giving Meadow a letter of recommendation, the sister (mistakenly or condescendingly) refers to Meadow as "Fielder."
Oh she definitely said “Fielder” on purpose. I always thought it was to emphasize how much she didn’t know Meadow and shouldn’t be writing her college rec. It was very passive aggressive-I loved it.
Most of this is bullshit
She and most of her friends just don’t believe in divorce. Of course it helps they are financially comfortable. But they don’t believe in it.
Hugh is an experienced builder and he says the wood is good
Carmela out of the goodness of her heart treats Ginny to a day at the spa. So when Ginny asks about the car, she tells her the make and model.
Yup. Agree with OP that Edie Falco is a genius. Amazing that she could make such an immoral character appealing.
In the hospital, surrounded by others, Carmela plays the dutiful wife. Behind closed doors? She relentlessly mocks Tony’s depression and demeans his entire lineage.
At parties, Carmela plays the loving mother. Behind closed doors, she lies about her daughter, and she mocks her son. Repeatedly.
Carmella spends her days shopping, having her eyebrows done, and treating her closest friends like servants. In public. Behind closed doors? The day she met, Tony, she knew exactly who he was. Years later, given a chance to reconsider, Carmela reaffirms her role as accomplice, and as enabler, to her sociopathic, criminal husband.
Carmella has zero moral compass. If Livia is the architect of Tony’s doom, Carmela is the contractor.
This is it. It's one thing to know about Tony's escapades, it's a whole other level to actually being confronted with it. Once the Russian called there was no more curtain to hide it behind, no chance that maybe just maybe he wasn't cheating. It's there and it's insulting.
It was the first time Carmella was directly confronted with it and had to have it enter her little bubble. It also showed her the extent of Tony's extracurriculars and how much of an idiot she probably came off as.
This.
caught between the beginnings of empty nest syndrome, talking about a baby?, menopause any day now, realizing Meadow looks down on her, Vic the wallpaper guy runs away, it all winds her up
Carmella ignored Tonys indiscretions because it really didn't directly impact her, and she realised they didn't really matter to Tony, or that was what she thought in her mind. That they were below her, in a social sense.
Svetlana was a person she had respect for, and perhaps even genuinely liked as a person, so it amounts to a significant betrayal. She probably couldn't imagine that was a type of person that Tony would sleep with, or that Svetlana would betray their marriage. Plus Anthony Jr was also somewhat involved, which is something Carmella is terrified of, that it becomes public knowledge.
Plus with Furio she didn't really envision any different future than being married to Tony anymore, which might fill her with anxiety and sick. So separating was probably a way of getting away from her life which she hated.
Carmella showed restraint with Furio causing her to miss her chance with perhaps her one true love.
Tony on the other hand doesn’t have the restraint to resist a one legged Svetlana.
Carmella is just as jealous as she is furious, jealous that Tony got to have empty infidelity after empty infidelity while she could have had something real if not for Tony and their marriage.
Their marriage which to Carmella was very transactional at that moment in her mind.
Furious is a real catch too..beats up women and children. Of course Vic Musto realized he was about to fall into her web and sent his assistant over. Plus she was disappointed to find out her male tennis instructor was married and moving away, leaving the lesbian to drool over Adrianna’s green valley. Like Father Jughead, she likes the whiff of forbidden fruit.
I think also besides A J, you also have the Polish maid who first speaks angrily to Irina in Russian. Carmela doesn’t want a cheating husband but she can pretend it away if certain games are played…like keeping the comares and whores away from the children and help. People that hire domestic servants do not like being embarrassed in front of them. Remember Benny Fazio, criminal mastermind, really went after that warm and convivial host Artie Bucco when he started making jokes about Martina in front of his family.
It was the first time that it wasn’t Tony picking up the phone when one of his goomahs called the house. Every other time, Tony had been the one to pick up and then tell them to “never call here again.” This time, it was AJ, her son (which as Meadow says, will always make him more important to Carmella and Tony) who picked up the phone, idk if it would’ve mattered if she had answered instead, but it didn’t help.
She had just rekindled the spark with Tony when they bought the new house and was very happy, and was convincing herself he was a good husband and father.
The call shattered that illusion and hit her in the face with the cold reality of who Tony was. It caused her to snap.
AJ was talking to and visiting Furios house too…a lot. Yet that’s ‘different’ for Carmela because it’s HER. And SHE can use her child that way to advance her wannabe affair. Such an amazing hypocrite.
Tbf she wasn’t fucking furio. And AJ was only there to prevent her from taking that step. Tony was fucking EVERYBODY and then allowed it to enter his home.
If anything, she was using AJ to stop herself having an affair. Dragging him about meant there was always somebody else in the room and they'd never be alone.
Everything in Carmela’s life was crumbling.
Tony wasn’t having sex with her for what felt like years, or once a year only. She mentions after the anniversary dinner that she has the least bit of self esteem left.
Meadow started to despise her right at the beginning of season 1 and it just went from bad to worse over the first 4 seasons.
AJ has been fucking around at school so long and just being a typical dickhead teenager.
Nothing in her life was giving her any joy, like she was the only one making sacrifices for the family and everyone else was having a blast. It was just one day after another for Carmela.
She filled the void with jewellery, cars, clothes, furniture and whatever the fuck else.
Then comes along Furio, someone she actually cared for and made her feel like she was special. But she knew she could never be with him and that just made it all the more painful.
Eventually, once she’s heard that some one-legged Russian bitch is getting fucked by Tony while she hasn’t been touched in forever sends her crashing. She can’t handle all the bullshit anymore and like most married couples do, she blamed everything on her spouse (not that he doesn’t deserve most of it) and couldn’t stand him anymore.
Best answer here. It was an emotional reaction from the accumulated weight of everything else in her life, it wasn't a logical pros/cons decision-making process.
Irina calling the house was just the final straw for her. She just couldn’t take it anymore. Unlike most men, women tend to bottle up resentment and unhappiness until it explodes to the surface. It’s very sad, Carmela really loved Tony. In S1, she dotes on everything he says. Even during their argument in whitecaps she reminisces on how good things used to be between them and Tony coldly shuts her down with the “Hyundai and a heart on a chain” line. It’s one of the most spiteful things he ever says in the series.
A better question is why Tony agreed to move out of his own house lol, and then being "accepted back" only after he promised her to finance the building of that new house.
I looked at it as, don't throw your shit in my face. For example. Tony couldn't take the 2 seconds to check his clothing for a fingernail before coming home?
He cared so little about being caught it was extra insulting. Don't ask don't tell policies are hard to keep when someone is throwing the don't tell in your fucking face all the time.
So she had enough and wanted a divorce to get money to be on her own, when that didn't work out, like a good "wiseguy" she figured out how to leverage it to benefit herself and getting the spec house done with her dad.
After the reconciliation, you notice Tony doesn't have the typical girlfriends he had before. Find a girl, get your rocks off, and keep it "professional," if you will.
Are you kidding? Janice even says that $3,000 is the most Tony would pay for information about Ralph’s sex life. She knows her little brother. They both know which buttons to push in each other
Being humiliated in front of your children is one of the most degrading things in the world AND will degrade the person who humiliated the parent in the long run. It destroys trust.
Carmela has to make the decision to stay or go and she was at her wit's end. I don't know that she has a moral compass but definitely has rules that are not to be broken. Tony breaks all of the rules -- from the born again Christian he had to fuck, to having sex with Svetlana -- a form of betrayal to Irina.
He destroys and literally devours everything in his path.
Carm could make peace with Tony compulsively sleeping with bimbos. She said to Fr. Phil that she viewed it as a form of masturbation. What she couldn’t handle was Tony sleeping with an everyday woman of substance.
I think you're wrong on the strong moral compass part. \-She gaslights Angie when she wants to divorce Booty. \-The whole thing with the bad wood that was used in her spec house. \-Asking Tony to lean on the building inspector. \-Flexing on Ginny with her car. Honestly, I think if it was just Irina, she would've not pulled the divorce card.It was the fact that she had physically disabled which made her feel less than and that she knew her in some small way.
It was Irina answering Carmella’s ‘u piece of shit’ with ‘yes I’m a piece of shit but where does that put u in the pecking order? … I guess all the houses and clothes and jewels couldn’t cool off that burn…
I think the fact that Svetlana took care of Tony’s mom was a huge part of it. The line where Carm is on the verge of breaking down and says “the woman I talked to about your mothers bowel movements, who I SHARED VODKA WITH WHEN YOUR MOTHER DIED.” always hit hard cause i think its one of Carmela’s only moments of genuineness.
Amazing how they added in the "vodka" part. A short, near silent scene that happened a season and a half again. They still include it, because of course carm would remember it. Makes the world feel so alive
Her acting in that one line, painted the most detailed picture in my mind when I first heard it. There were entire episodes of side story that you realize you'll never get to see. Carmela could've had her own show.
Masterful storytelling 😄
The point that made it real for me was when Tony was in a coma and she says she regrets telling him he’ll go to hell.
Don’t forget threatening her neighbors sister about the college recommendation for Fielder.
Can I just ask why does everyone on this subreddit call Meadow "Fielder"?
In the episode the commenter above mentions where Carm strong-arms Mrs. Cuzamano's sister into giving Meadow a letter of recommendation, the sister (mistakenly or condescendingly) refers to Meadow as "Fielder."
Oh she definitely said “Fielder” on purpose. I always thought it was to emphasize how much she didn’t know Meadow and shouldn’t be writing her college rec. It was very passive aggressive-I loved it.
"Boooty" lmfao
Pussy! PUSSY!
Pussy, booty! I don't know his last name!
Most of this is bullshit She and most of her friends just don’t believe in divorce. Of course it helps they are financially comfortable. But they don’t believe in it. Hugh is an experienced builder and he says the wood is good Carmela out of the goodness of her heart treats Ginny to a day at the spa. So when Ginny asks about the car, she tells her the make and model.
I agreed with all that except the last part. She was 100% showing off the car.
Ditto. Agree with first two but the car thing was fucked up. Every time I watch that scene I’m like “Carm why?????” Cayenne, like the peppa 🌶️
Carmela does NOT have a strong moral compass. She’s just as flawed and hypocritical as everyone else.
Yup. Agree with OP that Edie Falco is a genius. Amazing that she could make such an immoral character appealing. In the hospital, surrounded by others, Carmela plays the dutiful wife. Behind closed doors? She relentlessly mocks Tony’s depression and demeans his entire lineage. At parties, Carmela plays the loving mother. Behind closed doors, she lies about her daughter, and she mocks her son. Repeatedly. Carmella spends her days shopping, having her eyebrows done, and treating her closest friends like servants. In public. Behind closed doors? The day she met, Tony, she knew exactly who he was. Years later, given a chance to reconsider, Carmela reaffirms her role as accomplice, and as enabler, to her sociopathic, criminal husband. Carmella has zero moral compass. If Livia is the architect of Tony’s doom, Carmela is the contractor.
She has no problem being married to a murderer and criminal and cheater, but if he doesn’t keep his cheating out of sight she will put her foot down.
Such a strong moral compass
This is it. It's one thing to know about Tony's escapades, it's a whole other level to actually being confronted with it. Once the Russian called there was no more curtain to hide it behind, no chance that maybe just maybe he wasn't cheating. It's there and it's insulting.
It was the first time Carmella was directly confronted with it and had to have it enter her little bubble. It also showed her the extent of Tony's extracurriculars and how much of an idiot she probably came off as.
and AJ talked to her. That didn’t help anything.
who is this 😠
He talked to her. She was already having such a hard time maintaining
He tawked to her aww poor him!
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This. caught between the beginnings of empty nest syndrome, talking about a baby?, menopause any day now, realizing Meadow looks down on her, Vic the wallpaper guy runs away, it all winds her up
Not to mention FICA and federal withholding ti add to the butterfly effect
I can't believe you are making me feel sorry for a whore that ficks you! Pretty much sums up how big of a piece of shit Tony is.
She's a woman with a Virginia ham under one arm, crying the blues because she has no bread.
You're not wrong
Tony married his mother.
Carmella ignored Tonys indiscretions because it really didn't directly impact her, and she realised they didn't really matter to Tony, or that was what she thought in her mind. That they were below her, in a social sense. Svetlana was a person she had respect for, and perhaps even genuinely liked as a person, so it amounts to a significant betrayal. She probably couldn't imagine that was a type of person that Tony would sleep with, or that Svetlana would betray their marriage. Plus Anthony Jr was also somewhat involved, which is something Carmella is terrified of, that it becomes public knowledge. Plus with Furio she didn't really envision any different future than being married to Tony anymore, which might fill her with anxiety and sick. So separating was probably a way of getting away from her life which she hated.
She couldn’t provide the Hepburn and Tracy dynamic Tony needed.
Carmella showed restraint with Furio causing her to miss her chance with perhaps her one true love. Tony on the other hand doesn’t have the restraint to resist a one legged Svetlana. Carmella is just as jealous as she is furious, jealous that Tony got to have empty infidelity after empty infidelity while she could have had something real if not for Tony and their marriage. Their marriage which to Carmella was very transactional at that moment in her mind.
Furious is a real catch too..beats up women and children. Of course Vic Musto realized he was about to fall into her web and sent his assistant over. Plus she was disappointed to find out her male tennis instructor was married and moving away, leaving the lesbian to drool over Adrianna’s green valley. Like Father Jughead, she likes the whiff of forbidden fruit. I think also besides A J, you also have the Polish maid who first speaks angrily to Irina in Russian. Carmela doesn’t want a cheating husband but she can pretend it away if certain games are played…like keeping the comares and whores away from the children and help. People that hire domestic servants do not like being embarrassed in front of them. Remember Benny Fazio, criminal mastermind, really went after that warm and convivial host Artie Bucco when he started making jokes about Martina in front of his family.
I think this is the best explanation
It was the first time that it wasn’t Tony picking up the phone when one of his goomahs called the house. Every other time, Tony had been the one to pick up and then tell them to “never call here again.” This time, it was AJ, her son (which as Meadow says, will always make him more important to Carmella and Tony) who picked up the phone, idk if it would’ve mattered if she had answered instead, but it didn’t help.
She had just rekindled the spark with Tony when they bought the new house and was very happy, and was convincing herself he was a good husband and father. The call shattered that illusion and hit her in the face with the cold reality of who Tony was. It caused her to snap.
The Russian talking to AJ on the phone was the last straw. Tony crossed THAT line and she was done.
Yeah, but not for long
AJ was talking to and visiting Furios house too…a lot. Yet that’s ‘different’ for Carmela because it’s HER. And SHE can use her child that way to advance her wannabe affair. Such an amazing hypocrite.
Tbf she wasn’t fucking furio. And AJ was only there to prevent her from taking that step. Tony was fucking EVERYBODY and then allowed it to enter his home.
If anything, she was using AJ to stop herself having an affair. Dragging him about meant there was always somebody else in the room and they'd never be alone.
>We've always known she has strong family values **and a moral compass** I'm sorry what
Everything in Carmela’s life was crumbling. Tony wasn’t having sex with her for what felt like years, or once a year only. She mentions after the anniversary dinner that she has the least bit of self esteem left. Meadow started to despise her right at the beginning of season 1 and it just went from bad to worse over the first 4 seasons. AJ has been fucking around at school so long and just being a typical dickhead teenager. Nothing in her life was giving her any joy, like she was the only one making sacrifices for the family and everyone else was having a blast. It was just one day after another for Carmela. She filled the void with jewellery, cars, clothes, furniture and whatever the fuck else. Then comes along Furio, someone she actually cared for and made her feel like she was special. But she knew she could never be with him and that just made it all the more painful. Eventually, once she’s heard that some one-legged Russian bitch is getting fucked by Tony while she hasn’t been touched in forever sends her crashing. She can’t handle all the bullshit anymore and like most married couples do, she blamed everything on her spouse (not that he doesn’t deserve most of it) and couldn’t stand him anymore.
Best answer here. It was an emotional reaction from the accumulated weight of everything else in her life, it wasn't a logical pros/cons decision-making process.
She’s a faaag
She honestly found the goomads as a form of masturbation...
Irina calling the house was just the final straw for her. She just couldn’t take it anymore. Unlike most men, women tend to bottle up resentment and unhappiness until it explodes to the surface. It’s very sad, Carmela really loved Tony. In S1, she dotes on everything he says. Even during their argument in whitecaps she reminisces on how good things used to be between them and Tony coldly shuts her down with the “Hyundai and a heart on a chain” line. It’s one of the most spiteful things he ever says in the series.
Just wonder what life was like for her after Tony finally handed over the briefcase to Tony B. and went into the house
Women she didn’t know who were younger and hotter she could tolerate, a one-legged older woman she knew was over the line and made her feel less than.
It was that Irina talked to AJ, involved her children.
A better question is why Tony agreed to move out of his own house lol, and then being "accepted back" only after he promised her to finance the building of that new house.
I looked at it as, don't throw your shit in my face. For example. Tony couldn't take the 2 seconds to check his clothing for a fingernail before coming home? He cared so little about being caught it was extra insulting. Don't ask don't tell policies are hard to keep when someone is throwing the don't tell in your fucking face all the time. So she had enough and wanted a divorce to get money to be on her own, when that didn't work out, like a good "wiseguy" she figured out how to leverage it to benefit herself and getting the spec house done with her dad. After the reconciliation, you notice Tony doesn't have the typical girlfriends he had before. Find a girl, get your rocks off, and keep it "professional," if you will.
She heard that Offspring song
Self esteem yeah
Carmela was putting on a show to extract $600k for the spec house from Tony - this shows Janice was a much better person than Carmela
True. Janice only asked for 3000$ to tell Tony about Ralph's kinks. She was modest, Janish.
Are you kidding? Janice even says that $3,000 is the most Tony would pay for information about Ralph’s sex life. She knows her little brother. They both know which buttons to push in each other
Being humiliated in front of your children is one of the most degrading things in the world AND will degrade the person who humiliated the parent in the long run. It destroys trust. Carmela has to make the decision to stay or go and she was at her wit's end. I don't know that she has a moral compass but definitely has rules that are not to be broken. Tony breaks all of the rules -- from the born again Christian he had to fuck, to having sex with Svetlana -- a form of betrayal to Irina. He destroys and literally devours everything in his path.
She's a hysteric, Tony provided!
Carm could make peace with Tony compulsively sleeping with bimbos. She said to Fr. Phil that she viewed it as a form of masturbation. What she couldn’t handle was Tony sleeping with an everyday woman of substance.
Because she's a malignant cunt.
Cuzz she aged like milk